Blk Women are not embraced by white porn makers?

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cholmes58 Member 75 Posts 7/09	Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 10:20AM Is it just me or is it still a segregated fact that black porn actresses are not embraced and employed by many white porn makers for production with other white porn stars? Jade Fire and Marie Luv and a few others are exceptions to this longstanding trend, but general speaking, it is almost an unwritten rule for many white adult filmmakers. I find myself checking on this during shopping at the adult DVD stores, and being disappointed by the segregation 99 percent of the time. This appears to be especially true in the works that have an actual plot to them. Because that is one of my preferred porn genres, I find that especially disappointing. Also as much as I love the work of Michael Ninn, I can count on one finger the number of black porn actress he has actually featured in my collections (about 15 different titles). Of course the state of pornographic segregation does not exist as much for black males, but it appears to be an issue for many black women in porn. Or is it that many black porn actresses would prefer to be a part of only all-black casts. Can anyone give some insight to shed some light on this? [Link]
sauce Deactivated User 43 Posts 6/09	Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 12:21PM Maybe they just prefer using white women since they are white. But no its def. not that black women prefer working in all black movies, black women will fuck and suck anything put in front of them. They dont discriminate like a lot of white women do. Theres a huge market for interracial with black men, thats why white producers use them. Its all about supply and demand though, i guess white producers dont feel its a huge demand for it. But 1 thing is for sure, you can find interracial scenes for virtually every black girl to ever do porn. [Link]
Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07	Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 12:28PM ^^^ Porn makers are out to make money. And the most likely reason why they don't make much porn with white guys on black women is lack of interest among porn fans. In real life, you don't see that many interracial couples where the guy is white and the lady is black. For one reason or another white guys and black women don't feel comfortable with each other in terms of romance and sex. And this discomfort with such relationships is probably shaping the interests of porn fans too. Perhaps it's not the porn producers who are to blame. It could be the porn fans. [Link]
cholmes58 Member 75 Posts 7/09	Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 2:17PM Interesting perspective Dan. It is true there are far more black men and white women together in the real world than there are the opposite. But that is the real world, relating not only to the issues of sex, but also personality and history. I would argue in the real world, there is a subconscious knowledge among black women of the way the their female ancestors were used back in slavery days as white slave owners forced them to have sex and resulted in a lot of mulatto babies. That could be a factor in the lesser number of black women with white men. It could also be argued that a subconscious guilt factor in white men concern the same history that might be a factor in their larger reluctance. But it is a fact through the history of this country (especially proven by the aformentioned forced interacial sex of the colonial and antebellum history) and of this world for that matter that white men do find black women attractive and desirable, regardless of the reluctance of many to act on it or admit it. However we are talking movies here. Most me in real life don't sprew cum over their sex partners face, but that most certainly hasn't discouraged the peculiar practice in porn movies. My concern is also rooted in the issue of economic disenfranchisement. I am not knowledgeable enough about the inner workings of the industry to speak with certainty, but I would suspect that movie companies such a Wicked and NinnWorks pay their actresses a hell of a lot more than most black porn actresses are paid by the companies they are employed by. What makes it all the more perplexing to me, is there are more quality porn actresses (who are sexual athletes and can actually act or at least have great potential to do so if given the opportunity) than just Jada Fire and Marie Luv. Simply put, I would just like to see more black porn actresses get the opportunity to prove it. Nevertheless, thanks Dan for your thoughts on the matter. [Link]
ntfighter Member 645 Posts 7/07	Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 2:22PM Never mind. While I was composing my reply, cholmes58 addressed the matter of economic disenfranchisement of Black females in the porn business. Edited by - ntfighter on 7/6/2009 2:29:29 PM [Link]

killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08	Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 2:54PM It is due to this and many other issues regarding race in porn that the black community is starting to create some of their own establishments that can/will run, in a sense, parallel to the more 'mainstream' (read: white) porn biz. As an example, Mr. Marcus started a thread regarding the Urban X Awards a few days ago. Go vote! [Link]
TobeyTim Member 136 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jul 11 2009 : 11:09PM This is a load of crap. There are more interacial couples than ever before. Like white men aren't checking for black women on white men porn! Every white man has a soft spot for a black girl. This is 2009, people. Get the fuck over yourself. Blondes where the it-thing of the 80's and 90's. Times have changed. [Link]
cholmes58 Member 75 Posts 7/09	Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 3:09AM TobeyTim, please understand the full breadth of the discussion. No one is saying that black porn actresses are not getting a lot of work. It is where they are getting work, or more to the point of this discussion where there are not getting work -- specifically absent in a lot of the porn/plot-driven genre that seems to be paying high end dollars. In short, while it is not a rarity, it is not frequent that black porn actress are seen in the same movie with white porn actresses. Nor is this a discussion that is arguing that there is not enough interracial porn. There are plenty of black men screwing white women in porn as well as black women screwing white men. However, when it comes to mixed casts of black and white actresses, it is far more infrequently seen on the screen. it would be refreshing to see more porn movies that are more reflective of society -- black women and white women sharing time on the same porn/plot-driven movie. Jada Fire and Marie Luv, more power to them, seem to have the corner of the market on that, along with a few mix-race women. Those types of porn/plot-driven movies tend to pay actresses better as they are produced by the bigger companies, such as Wicked. There is no doubt more to it than that, but the bottom line result is such quality productions appear to shut out black actresses far more than they include them. [Link]
cholmes58 Member 75 Posts 7/09	Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 3:40AM [mod edit: image removed due to violation of the image policy. Read it before posting any more images.] In my rather extensive porn collection, the following current or relatively current black actresses have been afforded an opportunity to perform with white actresses: Jada Fire, frequently (pictured above from with Ricki White from Brazzers' "Real Wife Stories, Vol. 3) Marie Luv, frequently Naomi Banxxx Sinammon Love Kapri Styles There are also porn actresses who are mixed and very light skinned that then to get integrated into casts with white porn actress such as Alana Love Alexis Silver Tera Moore and others. While this is not an exhaustive list, it is highly representative. Edited by - killbillvol69 on 7/12/2009 3:43:12 AM [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 4:33AM Dan wrote: In real life, you don't see that many interracial couples where the guy is white and the lady is black. For one reason or another white guys and black women don't feel comfortable with each other in terms of romance and sex. Click to expand I've asked several black women out in my time. They all said no. I had a good friendship with a black woman once who I would have married in a heartbeat if I thought she would accept and I had anything to offer her. I think black women in porn can be very successful. The biggest problem is the stereotypes. With black males, it seems like the expectation for the black guy to be a stereotypical thug with a huge dick and a superficial personality (I'm not saying that's wrong. Just that there are all types of black men). For black women, the emphasis is all on her ass and how big it is. I like big asses as much as anyone else but a black woman (or any woman, for that matter) is more than a big ass filling up the screen. Black women are often truly beautiful but they just aren't often allowed to shine by directors who are only selling their asses. Edited by - randomprecision on 7/12/2009 4:34:31 AM [Link]
Ida Lupino Deactivated User 429 Posts 11/08	Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 7:36AM ^ Are you going to start crying again? [Link]
Rick James Jr Deactivated User 72 Posts 7/09	Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 7:43AM the popularity of porn princesses by race are white,hispanic,asian and then black in that order.therein lies your answer. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 7:51AM Ida Lupino wrote: ^ Are you going to start crying again? Click to expand I might. [Link]
mindee Member If you don't break the rules, you'll never have any fun! 717 Posts 10/06	Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 8:59AM Dan wrote: ^^^ In real life, you don't see that many interracial couples where the guy is white and the lady is black. For one reason or another white guys and black women don't feel comfortable with each other in terms of romance and sex. Click to expand I have two black girlfriends, and neither of them will date black men. They will have sex with women of either race, but won't date black men. They happen to feel that white men treat them better than black men do. However, they seem to very much be in the minority. I work with a lot of black women. Almost all of them would not date white men, and are very irritated when black men date white women. To the ones I've talked to about it, it's a serious cultural thing to them. I had one co-worker tell me that for a black man to date and/or marry a white woman is disrespectful to all black women. In the swing world, you rarely see a black couple who will swing with a white or mixed couple, and if it is an inter-racial couple, it is almost always a black man & white woman, and in this case, the couple usually wants to meet another couple of the same mix. I know this is hardly a scientific study, but I add it for what it's worth. I'm not sure about attitudes in the porn world, but as I saw mentioned here, Jada Fire is often shot with white men. [Link]
deputyduffy Member 396 Posts 8/08	Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 11:15AM Isn't it just a numbers thing? Like 1,000,000 white chicks wanna do porn and 100 black chicks wanna do porn, so odds are that there will be more white women in any film you pick up. I also feel that the lack of black women in porn isn't really a cause OUR black president (for those of us in the USA) is too concerned over (Did you check out the pics of him checking out the ass on that white chick)He has other things on his mind. [Link]

fu_q All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09	Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 1:54PM deputyduffy wrote: (Did you check out the pics of him checking out the ass on that white chick) Click to expand Link? [Link]
deputyduffy Member 396 Posts 8/08	Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 1:58PM Link..... [ invalid url ] Edited by - deputyduffy on 7/12/2009 1:59:22 PM [Link]
cholmes58 Member 75 Posts 7/09	Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 2:08PM Deputyduffy said Isn't it just a numbers thing? Like 1,000,000 white chicks wanna do porn and 100 black chicks wanna do porn, so odds are that there will be more white women in any film you pick up. I also feel that the lack of black women in porn isn't really a cause OUR black president (for those of us in the USA) is too concerned over (Did you check out the pics of him checking out the ass on that white chick)He has other things on his mind. Click to expand DeputyyDuffy, you make me want to do a porn actress inventory of my collection to check your estimates. I assure you there are more than 100 black chick who are doing porn, nor do I think the disparity is THAT wide. Nevertheless, you raise a valid point in terms of white chicks clearly being in the majority. However, my point is, I would like to see more opportunities for black porn actress in some of the high quality productions as well as see more black and white porn actresses perform as cast colleagues. [mod edit: I fixed the formatting of your post to use the quote function properly. With the long lines you had, it was screwing with the thread width. Next time you want to quote someone, just use the button above their post with the purple arrow.] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 7/12/2009 3:01:41 PM [Link]
pornlaw Member 578 Posts 10/05	Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 2:17PM As a white guy with a black pornstar girlfriend ( Vanessa Blue ) I can speak volumes on this subject. But much of it would be biased. What I can objetively say is that the industry does treat white female performers much differently than black female performers. Just as they treat black male performers differently than white male performers. Race still plays heavily into casting, titles and pay rate. As for it being a producer vs. customer issue, as in life, there is usually no one answer to any situation. I do think it is both. Black women are getting better roles and better exposure than even 10 yrs ago. Though, many of the top black females have to work with white male performers to develop a greater fan base. Perhaps someday the adult industry will not care about race, but I do not see that happening for sometime. Michael www.AdultBizLaw.com www.2257Safe.com [Link]
fu_q All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09	Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 2:57PM deputyduffy wrote: Link..... [ invalid url ] Click to expand Thanks! Funny stuff! [Link]
mistamann22 Member 23 Posts 6/09	Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 3:02PM First of I'm based in the UK and my need for black porn is barely filled. Therefore I've always followed US porn for my chocolate fix. I was going to start a new post on this but saw this one and thought I'd add my two penneth... I get virtually all my black porn via web content and I've noticed that for the last 10 months or so there's seems to be a decline in content - I've unsubscribed to a number of sites (Blackteengangbang, Cumbang, Incrediblepass, WCPClub) because they have either stopped updating completely and/or started recycling old content and claiming it as new. When I wrote to the Cumbang webmaster about their lack of updates they said that there was simply a 'lack of hot black porn girls in LA right now'. Bullshit? The only sites that deliver quality black content consistently are Bangbros (via their Newbie Black site) and Reality Kings (via Roundandbrown) and even then they are part of a network of sites that rarely ferature a black girl on any of their other sites. Mega sites like Brazzers or Naughty America rarely feature any black girls - I'd venture less than 1 in 100 updates. I dunno it just seems to me that in this credit crunch webmasters have deemed black girls to be the first casualty. Which is a shame as there appears to be more and more hot blak girls out there (judging by the modelling agency sites) willing to do more and more filthy stuff! Edited by - mistamann22 on 7/12/2009 3:04:43 PM [Link]
ntfighter Member 645 Posts 7/07	Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 4:42PM The stereotype of black women having big butts has not worked as well for them as it has for white girls. Alexis Texas has a nice big butt, it's white skin skin color was the factor that determined her success. Had she the same proportions eye and hair color but was perceived as African American, very few white guys would buy or rent her movies. Sinnamon Love has one of the most beautiful butts in the business, plus she's the complete package. She has not had the success that the former mention actress has, nor is she paid more for working with white actor as is common for white females working with blacks. I can't imagine the kind of drive and ambition, the many obstacles she overcame to achieve the success she has, and not only her but the majority of black women in porn, I think that porn for black women can be a much dirtier business than for their white counterparts. I'd wager the stories could tell would change minds about the hidden business of porn. Porn is behind the mainstream in promoting black women as sexually desirable. The business of selling sex is neglecting an asset, hmmmm I wonder why. I believe the reason is racial if not persistent racism.. The powers in porn today are the powerful people who ran porn twenty years ago. It appear that the persistent bias towards blacks or more accuratly towards African American is more important to them then making money. Fan for the most part are ok with the status quo. The mental gymnastics and verbal skittering about on display in this thread, in the attempt to avoid calling it like it is is amazing. [Link]
cholmes58 Member 75 Posts 7/09	Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 4:59PM pornlaw wrote: As a white guy with a black pornstar girlfriend ( Vanessa Blue ) I can speak volumes on this subject. But much of it would be biased. What I can objetively say is that the industry does treat white female performers much differently than black female performers. Just as they treat black male performers differently than white male performers. Race still plays heavily into casting, titles and pay rate. As for it being a producer vs. customer issue, as in life, there is usually no one answer to any situation. I do think it is both. Black women are getting better roles and better exposure than even 10 yrs ago. Though, many of the top black females have to work with white male performers to develop a greater fan base. Perhaps someday the adult industry will not care about race, but I do not see that happening for sometime. Michael www.AdultBizLaw.com www.2257Safe.com Click to expand 'Tis true porn is not immune from the racial sensibilities that are a function of the history in this country. I also hope it will get to a point where race will not be as much an issue in casting. However if someone is looking for an interesting script idea: I just read an a fascinating book called the "The Hemings of Montecello" which is about the slave family of President Thomas Jefferson. Sally Hemings was President Jefferson's mistress after his wife Martha died and the slave mistress had several children by Jefferson. The outstanding book by Annette Gordon-Reed (it won the National Book Award in 2008) deals a lot with the colonial period phenomenon of slave holder having sexual relations with their slaves -- some forced and some by consenting slave women who sometimes found it put them in a better position with their slave masters. This also getting into an area of another topic thread I have been engaged in concerning the desire for better quality (even serious) porn scripts. This would be a ground-breaking porn movie. I would think it would be a great casting opportunity for fair-skinned black porn stars such as Jasmine Cashmire (who has already show some decent acting abilities in the porn feature "Ramsom", Mona Devine, Obession or others. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 5:11PM ntfighter wrote: Porn is behind the mainstream in promoting black women as sexually desirable. The business of selling sex is neglecting an asset, hmmmm I wonder why. I believe the reason is racial if not persistent racism.. The powers in porn today are the powerful people who ran porn twenty years ago. It appear that the persistent bias towards blacks or more accuratly towards African American is more important to them then making money. Fan for the most part are ok with the status quo. The mental gymnastics and verbal skittering about on display in this thread, in the attempt to avoid calling it like it is is amazing. Click to expand I don't know if you're referring to me as one of those posters but I certainly wouldn't deny that there's almost certainly a racial bias among many white men and I'm not sure that can be fixed but it would certainly have a chance of helping if more black girls turned up in more flicks alongside the white girls. I'd like to see what would happen if it became the norm and black women were paired up with good male talent (black or white) in well produced scenes. I think some people's prejudices just might be very challenged. [Link]
cholmes58 Member 75 Posts 7/09	Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 5:24PM ntfighter wrote: The stereotype of black women having big butts has not worked as well for them as it has for white girls. Alexis Texas has a nice big butt, it's white skin skin color was the factor that determined her success. Had she the same proportions eye and hair color but was perceived as African American, very few white guys would buy or rent her movies. Sinnamon Love has one of the most beautiful butts in the business, plus she's the complete package. She has not had the success that the former mention actress has, nor is she paid more for working with white actor as is common for white females working with blacks. I can't imagine the kind of drive and ambition, the many obstacles she overcame to achieve the success she has, and not only her but the majority of black women in porn, I think that porn for black women can be a much dirtier business than for their white counterparts. I'd wager the stories could tell would change minds about the hidden business of porn. Porn is behind the mainstream in promoting black women as sexually desirable. The business of selling sex is neglecting an asset, hmmmm I wonder why. I believe the reason is racial if not persistent racism.. The powers in porn today are the powerful people who ran porn twenty years ago. It appear that the persistent bias towards blacks or more accuratly towards African American is more important to them then making money. Fan for the most part are ok with the status quo. The mental gymnastics and verbal skittering about on display in this thread, in the attempt to avoid calling it like it is is amazing. Click to expand Interesting perspective here. Me personally, even as an African American, I do not use the term "racist" unless I have more information to work with. Which is the reason I started this topic -- not because I was knowledgeable about the reasons that black porn actresses are largely overlooked in casting deliberations, but because I want to know what the reasons were (which for me is part of the value of AdultDVDTalk -- information). While I don't discount ntfighter's perspective as invalid, I personally have to have more information before I conclude that there is some sinister racist mentality that is the overwhelming cause. I have long thought that in general, people leap to the conclusion that something is racist without much more than what they see on the surface as the basis for their conclusion. Some of the previous threads on this topic have eluded to the real life phenomenon of interracial relationships. There are white who would never date or marry anyone of another race, and there are blacks that are the same. Is that necessarily racist or is a function of personal preference? I tend to believe it is more the latter than the former. However that does not remove the possibility that racism is at work here where the lack of diverse female porn casting is concerned. It is possible that it is. I need to learn more, however, before could reach that conclusion. Therefore more insights and perspectives on this topic are welcome. [Link]

ntfighter Member 645 Posts 7/07	Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 8:16PM I understand the reluctance to label someone or an institution as racist although most acknowledge that both exist. In porn its is only left to the state obvious. If the everyday decision made regarding African Americans in porn are not convincing to the majority of viewer than the situation is broader and graver than I'd imagined. To mangle an analogy from our previous president our next evidence might come in he form of a mushroom cloud. The heading of this thread is evidence that the O/P observed that there is a difference: "Blk Women are not embraced by white porn makers". I'm only going to the logical conclusion, and stating that imho the reason for the difference is racism. Some offer a marketing explanation as a defense. "There is less demand for black women". I say there hasn't been any desire on the part of movie makers, because of their apparent bias, to explore this area. Thus they ignore a profit stream. What would cause a flinty hearted businessman to ignore a money making opportunity?. I'm interested in seeing whether the current economic difficulties porn maker are experiencing will cause them to in the future "throw down their buckets where they are" and "pull themselves up by their bootstraps" Edited by - ntfighter on 7/14/2009 3:18:31 AM [Link]
ntfighter Member 645 Posts 7/07	Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 8:26PM RandomPrecision wrote: ntfighter wrote: Porn is behind the mainstream in promoting black women as sexually desirable. The business of selling sex is neglecting an asset, hmmmm I wonder why. I believe the reason is racial if not persistent racism.. The powers in porn today are the powerful people who ran porn twenty years ago. It appear that the persistent bias towards blacks or more accuratly towards African American is more important to them then making money. Fan for the most part are ok with the status quo. The mental gymnastics and verbal skittering about on display in this thread, in the attempt to avoid calling it like it is is amazing. Click to expand I don't know if you're referring to me as one of those posters but I certainly wouldn't deny that there's almost certainly a racial bias among many white men and I'm not sure that can be fixed but it would certainly have a chance of helping if more black girls turned up in more flicks alongside the white girls. I'd like to see what would happen if it became the norm and black women were paired up with good male talent (black or white) in well produced scenes. I think some people's prejudices just might be very challenged. Click to expand No, I wasn't referring to you. For the most part I agree with what you posted. Edited by - ntfighter on 7/12/2009 8:29:24 PM [Link]
pegpelvispete Member 286 Posts 6/09	Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 9:06PM ntfighter wrote: Some offer a marketing explanation as a defense. "There is less demand for black women". I say there hasn't been any desire on the part of movie makers, because of their apparent bias, to explore this area. Thus they ignore a profit stream. What would case a flinty hearted businessman to ignore a money making opportunity?. I'm interested in seeing whether the current economic difficulties porn maker are experiencing will cause them to in the future "throw down their buckets where they are" and "pull themselves up by their bootstraps" Click to expand Is there a clamoring from a significant contingent of porn viewers for more black actresses in major roles? It's harder to get a grasp on what the viewing public thinks since a large sampling is hard to come by, obviously since porn is what it is. People will shy away from interacting on porn or offering opinions. CNN or MSNBC or BBC can put a poll on their website asking the opinion on some elected official's job performance and can get hundreds of thousands, if not millions of answers. ESPN can do it to ask if the Vikings should sign Brett Favre and get the same level of response. Entertainment media outlets can do the same for opinions on the split between the latest "it" couple. You can get a better sense for where the majority stands on those types of issues. But you're not going to have hundreds of thousands voting at ADT, or AVN, or what have you. Could a lack of black ladies in porn be due to racism? Sure. As long as there are people with different ethnicities on this planet, there will be racism. But can we really say there's a great demand for more black ladies getting more work in bigger capacities and producers are missing out on profits? How can we tell? Unless the cadre that wants to see this type of porn, whether they're a minority or a majority, start making a lot of noise (or especially if they stop buying all-white female videos altogether), nothing will change. If enough of their audience doesn't want to see it, producers aren't going to make it, and vice versa. I've seen other threads around the forum here complain about how porn is struggling because so many directors don't care. A lot of posters, inside and outside the industry, say they know or realize a good many current porn producers/directors don't even LIKE porn. So what other reason would those people be in this industry, especially this industry, besides to make money? Logically, racism wouldn't even be an issue for these producers. They'll do whatever sells since they don't have any personal or emotional interest vested in what they produce. Using an extreme and ludicrous analogy, if the porn-viewing public rises up as one and demands to see midget donkey scat and it'll sell like hotcakes, somebody's gonna start a "Tiny Ass Shitters" line with the quickness. Probably several somebodies. The past and current porn model (no pun intended) must be humming along just fine for these guys, otherwise they'd be taking steps to change it and try mixing things up to bring in more revenue. A money-making opportunity can't be ignored if there's not one there to begin with. It'd be interesting to see some figures on the sales of major productions with Jada Fire and Marie Luv and so on as compared to select productions featuring Caucasian-only female casts. Therein lie the answers. [Link]
picman Senior Member Nothing says I love you so much as a tongue in the ass. 2884 Posts 1/03	Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 10:10PM As pornlaw stated earlier, there is no easy answer to this. Do you blame the producer or end user? I also think both, but I would like to point out some of my observations after several years on a porn board. There are a remarkable number of people who take very vocal attitudes about what they want and how they want it. Statements like: "If I wanted pussy fucking I wouldn't buy an anal title" or "If I wanted to watch black performers I'd buy black porn" are far from unusual. It's the end user who sends a message to the producers that they want their porn in a certain specific way. Considering the fact that the OP was more interested in features, another factor comes into play. Features are, by and large, made by companies with more resources, outlets, and far more likely to do active research on their markets. It's likely that this is the information that they come up with and shape their productions to fit. Follow the money, as Deep Throat once astutely stated. Believe me, I don't disagree with the inequities here. There are a number of women who are touted as huge stars by the masses that I barely "get" at all, and several black women who get precious little respect on these boards that can fuck them under a table. Marie Luv finally got some recognition at the AVN's with a performer of the year nomination about three or four years after she should have seen her first one. Most women wouldn't have her tenacity and stick with an industry that was so grudging with its respect, even though she graced dozens of box covers and usually turned in the best scene therein. I'm not sure it's reasonable to expect producers to take risks with their product, and I'd be interested in knowing how they've fared when they have. The only way I can think of to change the situation is by supporting the producers who are effectively color blind when it comes to who they use. Buy their product and talk them up. The change starts with yours. [Link]
Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09	Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 11:34PM Well, I remember reading a quote from the guy the used to do the Buttslammers movies and he said quite frankly, "I'd love to do an all black Buttslammers, but there just isn't enough attractive black women in porn!" I think that holds true now more than ever. Yes there might be one or two attractive black females in porn, so I don't need people to contradict me, but when you get right down to it, the black women doing porn really aren't that attractive. [Link]
cholmes58 Member 75 Posts 7/09	Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 11:45PM Rosco Fuji wrote: Well, I remember reading a quote from the guy the used to do the Buttslammers movies and he said quite frankly, "I'd love to do an all black Buttslammers, but there just isn't enough attractive black women in porn!" I think that holds true now more than ever. Yes there might be one or two attractive black females in porn, so I don't need people to contradict me, but when you get right down to it, the black women doing porn really aren't that attractive. Click to expand Well Rosco, I am sure you have heard the saying beauty is in the eye of the beholder... Enough said. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 11:48PM Roxy Reynolds should be more popular than church. [Link]
ntfighter Member 645 Posts 7/07	Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 12:25AM pegpelvispete wrote: Click to expand nue. A money-making opportunity can't be ignored if there's not one there to begin with. It'd be interesting to see some figures on the sales of major productions with Jada Fire and Marie Luv and so on as compared to select productions featuring Caucasian-only female casts. Therein lie the answers. Click to expand There wasn't a clamoring for women with big butts, only a market waiting to be catered to. No enterprising major porn studio did any research and had a eureka moment. They were complacent, porn sells. Imagine the sheer dollar amount they've lost since the beginning of big studio porn by not seeing the market potential of big butts curvy white women. Imho porn does not see the potential of black women in general, and that its based on a long standing racial policy, and thereby a market is under served. About the "They don't have any personal or emotional interest vested in what they produce." So its ennui, and not institutional racism that is at the bottom of the inequality between black and white women in porn, and I assume no ones at fault. As for "If enough of their audience doesn't want to see it, producers aren't going to make it, and vice versa." Please, bad porn sells as well as good porn. A couple of years ago mouse stomping porn was be banned. Someone was buying it. Actually I hope they never realize their mistake with producer like Justin Slayer, Mr Markus and other burgeoning black owned studios around I think the void will be filled very nicely. Make money fellas and pay the girls what they deserve. None of this mainstream porn bullshit. I'd also like to see those sells figures for Jada Fire and Marie Luv. I sure they sell as well as anyone in porn. Hats off to them both they've work their asses of to get where they are. Edited by - ntfighter on 7/13/2009 12:37:27 AM [Link]
cholmes58 Member 75 Posts 7/09	Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 1:20AM ntfighter wrote: pegpelvispete wrote: Click to expand nue. A money-making opportunity can't be ignored if there's not one there to begin with. It'd be interesting to see some figures on the sales of major productions with Jada Fire and Marie Luv and so on as compared to select productions featuring Caucasian-only female casts. Therein lie the answers. Click to expand There wasn't a clamoring for women with big butts, only a market waiting to be catered to. No enterprising major porn studio did any research and had a eureka moment. They were complacent, porn sells. Imagine the sheer dollar amount they've lost since the beginning of big studio porn by not seeing the market potential of big butts curvy white women. Imho porn does not see the potential of black women in general, and that its based on a long standing racial policy, and thereby a market is under served. About the "They don't have any personal or emotional interest vested in what they produce." So its ennui, and not institutional racism that is at the bottom of the inequality between black and white women in porn, and I assume no ones at fault. As for "If enough of their audience doesn't want to see it, producers aren't going to make it, and vice versa." Please, bad porn sells as well as good porn. A couple of years ago mouse stomping porn was be banned. Someone was buying it. Actually I hope they never realize their mistake with producer like Justin Slayer, Mr Markus and other burgeoning black owned studios around I think the void will be filled very nicely. Make money fellas and pay the girls what they deserve. None of this mainstream porn bullshit. I'd also like to see those sells figures for Jada Fire and Marie Luv. I sure they sell as well as anyone in porn. Hats off to them both they've work their asses of to get where they are. Edited by - ntfighter on 7/13/2009 12:37:27 AM Click to expand It is clear that the industry has found significant value in casting Jada Fire and Marie Luv (and deservedly so) in porn movie opportunities that are not being offered to vast majority black porn actresses. Is it due to market research and established demand? Is it because the industry decision makers admire their sexual athleticism and erotic credibility in front of the camera? Does their work ethic and professionalism factor into their success? And to what extent do their professional connections with pivotal industry people sustain their reign as the black porn stars that tend to break the female actress color line more often then others African American porn stars. It would be nice if someone from the industry would weigh in with some insight on the market research question, especially where these two outstanding actresses are concerned. However, I would speculate that the other abovementioned attributes also all factor into their successes. Here is a hard question: is there something relating to those attributes that is lacking in other black actresses? Edited by - cholmes58 on 7/13/2009 1:40:52 AM [Link]
pornlaw Member 578 Posts 10/05	Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 9:16AM As for market research, really very few companies in porn do market research. It is mostly what the producer/director likes that gets made. Unfortunately, a lot of the directors and producers in the Valley do not find black women sexually appealing and therefore do not use them or put them on boxcovers. One exception to this is Michael Stefano, who, from what I can tell really loves black women. (It might be an Italian preference.) He has shot many of the black female pornstars and has directly helped make many of them more well known. Again, with anything else in life, its who you know. Michael www.AdultBizLaw.com www.2257Safe.com [Link]

Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09	Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 11:07AM cholmes58 wrote: Rosco Fuji wrote: Well, I remember reading a quote from the guy the used to do the Buttslammers movies and he said quite frankly, "I'd love to do an all black Buttslammers, but there just isn't enough attractive black women in porn!" I think that holds true now more than ever. Yes there might be one or two attractive black females in porn, so I don't need people to contradict me, but when you get right down to it, the black women doing porn really aren't that attractive. Click to expand Well Rosco, I am sure you have heard the saying beauty is in the eye of the beholder... Enough said. Click to expand I was quoting a guy who was in a position to hire the women and consider the fact the guy made roughly 30 all girl movies. Figure 8 girls per movie, less duplicates such as Felecia and Misty Rain and a few others, and he probably hired 175 different girls for his flicks. I guess he knows what he's talking about as far as what would sell or not. But IMHO, and Michael agrees with me above, there aren't that many attractive women in porn. Whether YOU agree or don't, it's just the way it is. Edited by - rosco fuji on 7/13/2009 11:08:07 AM [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 11:35AM Rosco Fuji wrote: but when you get right down to it, the black women doing porn really aren't that attractive. Click to expand The ones who are currently doing porn may not appeal to you and indeed may not have a wide appeal (I like some of them but confess to not being able to name them because I've seen them so infrequently) but I know there are very attractive black women everywhere. I think if the directors wanted to, they could find them. White viewers may indeed reject them but as long as there are plenty of scenes on a DVD, why does it matter if there are a couple of girls you aren't attracted to? It's like that anyway. I usually rent a DVD to see one girl. I'm sure there are people who would appreciate them being included. I don't generally go out of my way to get all black movies because my interest isn't exclusively black. I would enjoy the scenes if they were there. Edited by - randomprecision on 7/13/2009 11:36:54 AM [Link]
pornlaw Member 578 Posts 10/05	Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 12:02PM Rosco Fuji wrote: But IMHO, and Michael agrees with me above, there aren't that many attractive women in porn. Click to expand Thats not what I said. I said, the majority of white directors and producers are not attracted to black women. Not that there arent attractive black women in porn. There's a fundamental difference in those two statements. For the most part, directors and producers make smut that gets them hard. Not what gets the customer hard. And quite frankly, most white guys dont like black women - directors and customers alike. Therefore you arent going to see a lot of black women being used in white male produced and directed titles. Some stars like Vanessa Blue, Marie Luv, Jada Fire and Monique are probably better known than some of the other black female performers since they did a lot of reverse inter-racial work. There are a lot of attractive black female performers, they just do not get the roles that white female performers get so they are not as well known. Michael www.AdultBizLaw.com www.2257Safe.com [Link]
ntfighter Member 645 Posts 7/07	Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 1:13PM pornlaw wrote: Rosco Fuji wrote: But IMHO, and Michael agrees with me above, there aren't that many attractive women in porn. Click to expand Thats not what I said. I said, the majority of white directors and producers are not attracted to black women. Not that there arent attractive black women in porn. There's a fundamental difference in those two statements. For the most part, directors and producers make smut that gets them hard. Not what gets the customer hard. And quite frankly, most white guys dont like black women - directors and customers alike. Therefore you arent going to see a lot of black women being used in white male produced and directed titles. Click to expand I agree that directors and producer make the porn they like with the women they find attractive. There was a time not so long ago that producers cast mostly slim blonds, than pressured and subsidized them to get huge fake breast. Today I think there is a consensus that was/is a poor business model. The number one maxim in business is to give the customer what they want. Thank god for the internet, they can ask us directly. I disagree that customer would not support black women appearing more frequently and being cast in more prominent roles. Black men are customers, Hispanic men are customers. It simply has never been explored. Historically porn operated on the unspoken rule that black women couldn't carry a movie. The meager roles given to black women seem to prove the rule. Producer with no other evidence than that culled from dinner talk within their cadre are still making decision based on low expectation. They are in business, it is to their advantage to test the market, and not only follow the formula all others have used. Porn has created an audience for men jerking off on women, simply by presenting and highlighting the act. Present and highlight black women they find beautiful. Beautiful black women are a diverse group They come in all shape, sizes, body types and a fucking rainbow of colors, how could someone say they don't find black women attractive?, what configuration don't they like?. Take these well know actress: Vanessa Blue Jada Fire Marie Luv Naomi Banxxx Sinammon Love Kapri Styles Each one beautiful in her own right. Black women cover the continuum in looks. White "MEN" ( I uses the term loosely) who have never seen a black women they'd want to have sex with or to see have sex, have a much larger issue then personal preference. I see a more malignant force at work [Link]
fu_q All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09	Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 3:25PM pornlaw wrote: reverse inter-racial work. Click to expand Call me stupid, but what is this? (Is this a black female with a white male?) [Link]
ntfighter Member 645 Posts 7/07	Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 3:29PM deputyduffy wrote: Link..... [ invalid url ] Edited by - deputyduffy on 7/12/2009 1:59:22 PM Click to expand That definitely is not a white chicks ass. Might be white skin color but that ass screams mother Africa. [Link]
Cerebral Jedi Senior Member I don't trust men who don't like big tits. 1067 Posts 12/04	Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 4:11PM sauce wrote: ...black women will fuck and suck anything put in front of them... Click to expand The fuck? No one else caught that bullshit? [Link]
ninja1 Senior Member 2939 Posts 1/08	Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 5:01PM sauce wrote: But no its def. not that black women prefer working in all black movies, black women will fuck and suck anything put in front of them. They dont discriminate like a lot of white women do. Click to expand @Cerebral Jedi: It's not so bad when you look at it in context. He (sauce) just used a bit of exaggeration to make a point. [Link]
cholmes58 Member 75 Posts 7/09	Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 5:08PM Cerebral Jedi wrote: sauce wrote: ...black women will fuck and suck anything put in front of them... Click to expand The fuck? No one else caught that bullshit? Click to expand I caught it and discarded it. For the most part, there is a relatively intelligent discussion going on about this, and with comments like Sauce's, ... well I would not lend any dignity to his remark by responding directly to him. [Link]
Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09	Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 5:55PM pornlaw wrote: Rosco Fuji wrote: But IMHO, and Michael agrees with me above, there aren't that many attractive women in porn. Click to expand Thats not what I said. I said, the majority of white directors and producers are not attracted to black women. Not that there arent attractive black women in porn. There's a fundamental difference in those two statements. Michael Click to expand I stand corrected and was paraphrasing and interpreting differently on what you said about the attractiveness of black women in porn. I will stand by what I say about there not being that many attractive black women in porn. Its really simple to prove actually. Check any "Favorite Top 10" list on this site when it comes to a poll. You'll have guys rattling off 25-30 obscure names that noone has every heard of before and never will again. Then you jump to the category of Black Actresses and a conversation of their attractiveness etc etc etc, and it's always the same 4-5 names, Jada, Maria, Vanessa, Kapri, Naomi. Edited by - rosco fuji on 7/13/2009 6:12:26 PM [Link]
TobeyTim Member 136 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 6:18PM pornlaw, what part of town are you from? "And quite frankly, most white guys dont like black women" What the hell are you talking about? Haha. You and yours must be a selected few because there's no most white guys likes or dislikes. If anything it's likes, because oppsites do attract. People like different things, but to say that most white guys don't like black women is ignorant, borderline stupid. In other words, cholmes58, I agree with you. I just don't feel like discussing this. I think it's a load of crap to even be having this discussion. In 90 prosent of my topics I advocate having more black women in porn in general. I don't just want them in a specific category. They should be everywhere! [Link]
Clam Digger Deactivated User Many a man fails as an original thinker simply because his memory is too good. 2268 Posts 1/05	Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 7:01PM fu_q wrote: deputyduffy wrote: Link..... [ invalid url ] Click to expand Thanks! Funny stuff! Click to expand It is funny, but it is distorted. CNN showed clips that clearly show he was turning to help the black woman, in the white dress with blue patterns, who is right off his right shoulder. In clip in takes her by the arm and helps her down the steps. The picture kind of drives home the thought that public figures do need to be on guard at all times. [Link]
Clam Digger Deactivated User Many a man fails as an original thinker simply because his memory is too good. 2268 Posts 1/05	Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 7:05PM fu_q wrote: deputyduffy wrote: Link..... [ invalid url ] Click to expand Thanks! Funny stuff! Click to expand It is funny, but it is distorted. CNN showed clips that clearly show he was turning to help the black woman, in the white dress with blue patterns, who is right off his right shoulder. In clip in takes her by the arm and helps her down the steps. The picture kind of drives home the thought that public figures do need to be on guard at all times. [Link]
fu_q All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09	Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 7:24PM ^Yeah...I looked it up after it was posted. Still funny, though. [Link]
cholmes58 Member 75 Posts 7/09	Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 7:32PM TobeyTim wrote: pornlaw, what part of town are you from? "And quite frankly, most white guys dont like black women" What the hell are you talking about? Haha. You and yours must be a selected few because there's no most white guys likes or dislikes. If anything it's likes, because oppsites do attract. People like different things, but to say that most white guys don't like black women is ignorant, borderline stupid. In other words, cholmes58, I agree with you. I just don't feel like discussing this. I think it's a load of crap to even be having this discussion. In 90 prosent of my topics I advocate having more black women in porn in general. I don't just want them in a specific category. They should be everywhere! Click to expand Consider where we should be as a society on the general issue of race, there are many of us that feel the same...we should be beyond racial bias. But as open minded and colorblind as some folks are, it was only a mere 60 years ago when there were still WHITES ONLY, COLORED ONLY signs hanging over water fountains and other places of segregation. Whereas back in those days, there was a lot blatant in-your-face bigotry and prejudice, today the bias and prejudice of some is more prevalently evidenced as a function of the subconscious. Some folks have biases that they don't realize, acknowledge or totally understand. I would like to think that subconscious bias is what is at play in the porn industry concerning the topic under discussion. Maybe that is naive thinking. Maybe it is hoping for the best in people and staying to remain optimistic for the future in terms of societal evolution. [Link]
ntfighter Member 645 Posts 7/07	Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 7:39PM Rosco Fuji wrote: pornlaw wrote: Rosco Fuji wrote: But IMHO, and Michael agrees with me above, there aren't that many attractive women in porn. Click to expand Thats not what I said. I said, the majority of white directors and producers are not attracted to black women. Not that there arent attractive black women in porn. There's a fundamental difference in those two statements. Michael Click to expand I stand corrected and was paraphrasing and interpreting differently on what you said about the attractiveness of black women in porn. I will stand by what I say about there not being that many attractive black women in porn. Its really simple to prove actually. Check any "Favorite Top 10" list on this site when it comes to a poll. You'll have guys rattling off 25-30 obscure names that noone has every heard of before and never will again. Then you jump to the category of Black Actresses and a conversation of their attractiveness etc etc etc, and it's always the same 4-5 names, Jada, Maria, Vanessa, Kapri, Naomi. Edited by - rosco fuji on 7/13/2009 6:12:26 PM Click to expand Proves my point about black women in porn. Black women have not had the spotlight enough that fans have become familiar and comfortable with them as objects of sexual fantasy. To see them you are required to seek them out specifically. Its a matter of exposure. Any male would need to be psychologically disposed to seeing black women as unattractive to ever consider the statement you are defending as contains any truth. The premise is patently false, it's bullshit, a clumsy cop out. It's spoken by and appeals to those who need a reason, no matter how feeble to discriminate and avoid the condemnation their actions warrant. You blame the victim. The statement is unreasonable to the point of pathology. I think you may be suffering from reverse Ralph Ellison Invisible Man syndrome. I've noticed that all the top ten list on here will have very blacks. I find it very interesting that a recent list called "Who has the best Ass" didn't have any current black actresses. I don't see that as evidence that attractive black women are unavailable, or that white guys don't dig black chick. It more evidence about the porn industry and what they have led fans to expect. The slim blue eyed blond that you apparently think is the only acceptable beauty is being challenged as we speak by a flood of dark eyed, dark haired, dark skinned, curvy ethnic beauties. Viva verities! Edited by - ntfighter on 7/14/2009 3:07:01 AM [Link]

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cholmes58
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Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 10:20AM

Is it just me or is it still a segregated fact that black porn actresses are not embraced and employed by many white porn makers for production with other white porn stars? Jade Fire and Marie Luv and a few others are exceptions to this longstanding trend, but general speaking, it is almost an unwritten rule for many white adult filmmakers. I find myself checking on this during shopping at the adult DVD stores, and being disappointed by the segregation 99 percent of the time. This appears to be especially true in the works that have an actual plot to them. Because that is one of my preferred porn genres, I find that especially disappointing. Also as much as I love the work of Michael Ninn, I can count on one finger the number of black porn actress he has actually featured in my collections (about 15 different titles). Of course the state of pornographic segregation does not exist as much for black males, but it appears to be an issue for many black women in porn. Or is it that many black porn actresses would prefer to be a part of only all-black casts.
Can anyone give some insight to shed some light on this?

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Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 12:21PM

Maybe they just prefer using white women since they are white. But no its def. not that black women prefer working in all black movies, black women will fuck and suck anything put in front of them. They dont discriminate like a lot of white women do. Theres a huge market for interracial with black men, thats why white producers use them. Its all about supply and demand though, i guess white producers dont feel its a huge demand for it. But 1 thing is for sure, you can find interracial scenes for virtually every black girl to ever do porn.

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Dan
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Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 12:28PM

^^^
Porn makers are out to make money. And the most likely reason why they don't make much porn with white guys on black women is lack of interest among porn fans.
In real life, you don't see that many interracial couples where the guy is white and the lady is black. For one reason or another white guys and black women don't feel comfortable with each other in terms of romance and sex. And this discomfort with such relationships is probably shaping the interests of porn fans too.
Perhaps it's not the porn producers who are to blame. It could be the porn fans.

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cholmes58
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Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 2:17PM

Interesting perspective Dan. It is true there are far more black men and white women together in the real world than there are the opposite. But that is the real world, relating not only to the issues of sex, but also personality and history.
I would argue in the real world, there is a subconscious knowledge among black women of the way the their female ancestors were used back in slavery days as white slave owners forced them to have sex and resulted in a lot of mulatto babies. That could be a factor in the lesser number of black women with white men. It could also be argued that a subconscious guilt factor in white men concern the same history that might be a factor in their larger reluctance.
But it is a fact through the history of this country (especially proven by the aformentioned forced interacial sex of the colonial and antebellum history) and of this world for that matter that white men do find black women attractive and desirable, regardless of the reluctance of many to act on it or admit it.
However we are talking movies here. Most me in real life don't sprew cum over their sex partners face, but that most certainly hasn't discouraged the peculiar practice in porn movies.
My concern is also rooted in the issue of economic disenfranchisement. I am not knowledgeable enough about the inner workings of the industry to speak with certainty, but I would suspect that movie companies such a Wicked and NinnWorks pay their actresses a hell of a lot more than most black porn actresses are paid by the companies they are employed by.
What makes it all the more perplexing to me, is there are more quality porn actresses (who are sexual athletes and can actually act or at least have great potential to do so if given the opportunity) than just Jada Fire and Marie Luv. Simply put, I would just like to see more black porn actresses get the opportunity to prove it.
Nevertheless, thanks Dan for your thoughts on the matter.

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ntfighter
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Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 2:22PM

Never mind. While I was composing my reply, cholmes58 addressed the matter of economic disenfranchisement of Black females in the porn business.
Edited by - ntfighter on 7/6/2009 2:29:29 PM

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Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 2:54PM

It is due to this and many other issues regarding race in porn that the black community is starting to create some of their own establishments that can/will run, in a sense, parallel to the more 'mainstream' (read: white) porn biz.
As an example, Mr. Marcus started a thread regarding the Urban X Awards a few days ago. Go vote!

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TobeyTim
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Posted - Jul 11 2009 : 11:09PM

This is a load of crap. There are more interacial couples than ever before. Like white men aren't checking for black women on white men porn! Every white man has a soft spot for a black girl. This is 2009, people. Get the fuck over yourself. Blondes where the it-thing of the 80's and 90's. Times have changed.

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cholmes58
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Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 3:09AM

TobeyTim, please understand the full breadth of the discussion. No one is saying that black porn actresses are not getting a lot of work. It is where they are getting work, or more to the point of this discussion where there are not getting work -- specifically absent in a lot of the porn/plot-driven genre that seems to be paying high end dollars. In short, while it is not a rarity, it is not frequent that black porn actress are seen in the same movie with white porn actresses.
Nor is this a discussion that is arguing that there is not enough interracial porn. There are plenty of black men screwing white women in porn as well as black women screwing white men. However, when it comes to mixed casts of black and white actresses, it is far more infrequently seen on the screen.
it would be refreshing to see more porn movies that are more reflective of society -- black women and white women sharing time on the same porn/plot-driven movie. Jada Fire and Marie Luv, more power to them, seem to have the corner of the market on that, along with a few mix-race women.
Those types of porn/plot-driven movies tend to pay actresses better as they are produced by the bigger companies, such as Wicked. There is no doubt more to it than that, but the bottom line result is such quality productions appear to shut out black actresses far more than they include them.

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cholmes58
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Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 3:40AM

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In my rather extensive porn collection, the following current or relatively current black actresses have been afforded an opportunity to perform with white actresses:
Jada Fire, frequently (pictured above from with Ricki White from Brazzers' "Real Wife Stories, Vol. 3)
Marie Luv, frequently
Naomi Banxxx
Sinammon Love
Kapri Styles
There are also porn actresses who are mixed and very light skinned that then to get integrated into casts with white porn actress such as
Alana Love
Alexis Silver
Tera Moore
and others.
While this is not an exhaustive list, it is highly representative.
Edited by - killbillvol69 on 7/12/2009 3:43:12 AM

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RandomPrecision
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Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 4:33AM

I've asked several black women out in my time. They all said no. I had a good friendship with a black woman once who I would have married in a heartbeat if I thought she would accept and I had anything to offer her.
I think black women in porn can be very successful. The biggest problem is the stereotypes. With black males, it seems like the expectation for the black guy to be a stereotypical thug with a huge dick and a superficial personality (I'm not saying that's wrong. Just that there are all types of black men). For black women, the emphasis is all on her ass and how big it is. I like big asses as much as anyone else but a black woman (or any woman, for that matter) is more than a big ass filling up the screen. Black women are often truly beautiful but they just aren't often allowed to shine by directors who are only selling their asses.
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Ida Lupino
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Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 7:36AM

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Are you going to start crying again?

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Rick James Jr
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Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 7:43AM

the popularity of porn princesses by race are white,hispanic,asian and then black in that order.therein lies your answer.

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Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 7:51AM

I might.

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mindee
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Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 8:59AM

I have two black girlfriends, and neither of them will date black men. They will have sex with women of either race, but won't date black men. They happen to feel that white men treat them better than black men do. However, they seem to very much be in the minority. I work with a lot of black women. Almost all of them would not date white men, and are very irritated when black men date white women. To the ones I've talked to about it, it's a serious cultural thing to them. I had one co-worker tell me that for a black man to date and/or marry a white woman is disrespectful to all black women. In the swing world, you rarely see a black couple who will swing with a white or mixed couple, and if it is an inter-racial couple, it is almost always a black man & white woman, and in this case, the couple usually wants to meet another couple of the same mix. I know this is hardly a scientific study, but I add it for what it's worth. I'm not sure about attitudes in the porn world, but as I saw mentioned here, Jada Fire is often shot with white men.

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deputyduffy
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Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 11:15AM

Isn't it just a numbers thing? Like 1,000,000 white chicks wanna do porn and 100 black chicks wanna do porn, so odds are that there will be more white women in any film you pick up.
I also feel that the lack of black women in porn isn't really a cause OUR black president (for those of us in the USA) is too concerned over (Did you check out the pics of him checking out the ass on that white chick)He has other things on his mind.

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Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 1:54PM

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Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 1:58PM

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cholmes58
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Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 2:08PM

DeputyyDuffy, you make me want to do a porn actress inventory of my collection to check your estimates. I assure you there are more than 100 black chick who are doing porn, nor do I think the disparity is THAT wide. Nevertheless, you raise a valid point in terms of white chicks clearly being in the majority. However, my point is, I would like to see more opportunities for black porn actress in some of the high quality productions as well as see more black and white porn actresses perform as cast colleagues.
[mod edit: I fixed the formatting of your post to use the quote function properly. With the long lines you had, it was screwing with the thread width. Next time you want to quote someone, just use the button above their post with the purple arrow.]
Edited by - killbillvol69 on 7/12/2009 3:01:41 PM

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pornlaw
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Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 2:17PM

As a white guy with a black pornstar girlfriend ( Vanessa Blue ) I can speak volumes on this subject. But much of it would be biased.
What I can objetively say is that the industry does treat white female performers much differently than black female performers. Just as they treat black male performers differently than white male performers.
Race still plays heavily into casting, titles and pay rate. As for it being a producer vs. customer issue, as in life, there is usually no one answer to any situation. I do think it is both.
Black women are getting better roles and better exposure than even 10 yrs ago. Though, many of the top black females have to work with white male performers to develop a greater fan base.
Perhaps someday the adult industry will not care about race, but I do not see that happening for sometime.
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Thanks!
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Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 3:02PM

First of I'm based in the UK and my need for black porn is barely filled. Therefore I've always followed US porn for my chocolate fix. I was going to start a new post on this but saw this one and thought I'd add my two penneth...
I get virtually all my black porn via web content and I've noticed that for the last 10 months or so there's seems to be a decline in content - I've unsubscribed to a number of sites (Blackteengangbang, Cumbang, Incrediblepass, WCPClub) because they have either stopped updating completely and/or started recycling old content and claiming it as new. When I wrote to the Cumbang webmaster about their lack of updates they said that there was simply a 'lack of hot black porn girls in LA right now'. Bullshit?
The only sites that deliver quality black content consistently are Bangbros (via their Newbie Black site) and Reality Kings (via Roundandbrown) and even then they are part of a network of sites that rarely ferature a black girl on any of their other sites.
Mega sites like Brazzers or Naughty America rarely feature any black girls - I'd venture less than 1 in 100 updates.
I dunno it just seems to me that in this credit crunch webmasters have deemed black girls to be the first casualty. Which is a shame as there appears to be more and more hot blak girls out there (judging by the modelling agency sites) willing to do more and more filthy stuff!
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ntfighter
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Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 4:42PM

The stereotype of black women having big butts has not worked as well for them as it has for white girls.
Alexis Texas has a nice big butt, it's white skin skin color was the factor that determined her success. Had she the same proportions eye and hair color but was perceived as African American, very few white guys would buy or rent her movies.
Sinnamon Love has one of the most beautiful butts in the business, plus she's the complete package. She has not had the success that the former mention actress has, nor is she paid more for working with white actor as is common for white females working with blacks. I can't imagine the kind of drive and ambition, the many obstacles she overcame to achieve the success she has, and not only her but the majority of black women in porn, I think that porn for black women can be a much dirtier business than for their white counterparts. I'd wager the stories could tell would change minds about the hidden business of porn.
Porn is behind the mainstream in promoting black women as sexually desirable. The business of selling sex is neglecting an asset, hmmmm I wonder why. I believe the reason is racial if not persistent racism.. The powers in porn today are the powerful people who ran porn twenty years ago. It appear that the persistent bias towards blacks or more accuratly towards African American is more important to them then making money.
Fan for the most part are ok with the status quo. The mental gymnastics and verbal skittering about on display in this thread, in the attempt to avoid calling it like it is is amazing.

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cholmes58
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Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 4:59PM

pornlaw wrote:
As a white guy with a black pornstar girlfriend ( Vanessa Blue ) I can speak volumes on this subject. But much of it would be biased.
What I can objetively say is that the industry does treat white female performers much differently than black female performers. Just as they treat black male performers differently than white male performers.
Race still plays heavily into casting, titles and pay rate. As for it being a producer vs. customer issue, as in life, there is usually no one answer to any situation. I do think it is both.
Black women are getting better roles and better exposure than even 10 yrs ago. Though, many of the top black females have to work with white male performers to develop a greater fan base.
Perhaps someday the adult industry will not care about race, but I do not see that happening for sometime.
Michael
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'Tis true porn is not immune from the racial sensibilities that are a function of the history in this country. I also hope it will get to a point where race will not be as much an issue in casting.
However if someone is looking for an interesting script idea: I just read an a fascinating book called the "The Hemings of Montecello" which is about the slave family of President Thomas Jefferson. Sally Hemings was President Jefferson's mistress after his wife Martha died and the slave mistress had several children by Jefferson. The outstanding book by Annette Gordon-Reed (it won the National Book Award in 2008) deals a lot with the colonial period phenomenon of slave holder having sexual relations with their slaves -- some forced and some by consenting slave women who sometimes found it put them in a better position with their slave masters.
This also getting into an area of another topic thread I have been engaged in concerning the desire for better quality (even serious) porn scripts. This would be a ground-breaking porn movie. I would think it would be a great casting opportunity for fair-skinned black porn stars such as Jasmine Cashmire (who has already show some decent acting abilities in the porn feature "Ramsom", Mona Devine, Obession or others.

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I don't know if you're referring to me as one of those posters but I certainly wouldn't deny that there's almost certainly a racial bias among many white men and I'm not sure that can be fixed but it would certainly have a chance of helping if more black girls turned up in more flicks alongside the white girls. I'd like to see what would happen if it became the norm and black women were paired up with good male talent (black or white) in well produced scenes. I think some people's prejudices just might be very challenged.

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cholmes58
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Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 5:24PM

ntfighter wrote:
The stereotype of black women having big butts has not worked as well for them as it has for white girls.
Alexis Texas has a nice big butt, it's white skin skin color was the factor that determined her success. Had she the same proportions eye and hair color but was perceived as African American, very few white guys would buy or rent her movies.
Sinnamon Love has one of the most beautiful butts in the business, plus she's the complete package. She has not had the success that the former mention actress has, nor is she paid more for working with white actor as is common for white females working with blacks. I can't imagine the kind of drive and ambition, the many obstacles she overcame to achieve the success she has, and not only her but the majority of black women in porn, I think that porn for black women can be a much dirtier business than for their white counterparts. I'd wager the stories could tell would change minds about the hidden business of porn.
Porn is behind the mainstream in promoting black women as sexually desirable. The business of selling sex is neglecting an asset, hmmmm I wonder why. I believe the reason is racial if not persistent racism.. The powers in porn today are the powerful people who ran porn twenty years ago. It appear that the persistent bias towards blacks or more accuratly towards African American is more important to them then making money.
Fan for the most part are ok with the status quo. The mental gymnastics and verbal skittering about on display in this thread, in the attempt to avoid calling it like it is is amazing.
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Interesting perspective here.
Me personally, even as an African American, I do not use the term "racist" unless I have more information to work with. Which is the reason I started this topic -- not because I was knowledgeable about the reasons that black porn actresses are largely overlooked in casting deliberations, but because I want to know what the reasons were (which for me is part of the value of AdultDVDTalk -- information).
While I don't discount ntfighter's perspective as invalid, I personally have to have more information before I conclude that there is some sinister racist mentality that is the overwhelming cause. I have long thought that in general, people leap to the conclusion that something is racist without much more than what they see on the surface as the basis for their conclusion.
Some of the previous threads on this topic have eluded to the real life phenomenon of interracial relationships. There are white who would never date or marry anyone of another race, and there are blacks that are the same. Is that necessarily racist or is a function of personal preference? I tend to believe it is more the latter than the former.
However that does not remove the possibility that racism is at work here where the lack of diverse female porn casting is concerned. It is possible that it is. I need to learn more, however, before could reach that conclusion. Therefore more insights and perspectives on this topic are welcome.

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ntfighter
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Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 8:16PM

I understand the reluctance to label someone or an institution as racist although most acknowledge that both exist. In porn its is only left to the state obvious. If the everyday decision made regarding African Americans in porn are not convincing to the majority of viewer than the situation is broader and graver than I'd imagined. To mangle an analogy from our previous president our next evidence might come in he form of a mushroom cloud.
The heading of this thread is evidence that the O/P observed that there is a difference: "Blk Women are not embraced by white porn makers". I'm only going to the logical conclusion, and stating that imho the reason for the difference is racism. Some offer a marketing explanation as a defense. "There is less demand for black women". I say there hasn't been any desire on the part of movie makers, because of their apparent bias, to explore this area. Thus they ignore a profit stream. What would cause a flinty hearted businessman to ignore a money making opportunity?. I'm interested in seeing whether the current economic difficulties porn maker are experiencing will cause them to in the future "throw down their buckets where they are" and "pull themselves up by their bootstraps"

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Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 8:26PM

RandomPrecision wrote:
ntfighter wrote:
Porn is behind the mainstream in promoting black women as sexually desirable. The business of selling sex is neglecting an asset, hmmmm I wonder why. I believe the reason is racial if not persistent racism.. The powers in porn today are the powerful people who ran porn twenty years ago. It appear that the persistent bias towards blacks or more accuratly towards African American is more important to them then making money.
Fan for the most part are ok with the status quo. The mental gymnastics and verbal skittering about on display in this thread, in the attempt to avoid calling it like it is is amazing.
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I don't know if you're referring to me as one of those posters but I certainly wouldn't deny that there's almost certainly a racial bias among many white men and I'm not sure that can be fixed but it would certainly have a chance of helping if more black girls turned up in more flicks alongside the white girls. I'd like to see what would happen if it became the norm and black women were paired up with good male talent (black or white) in well produced scenes. I think some people's prejudices just might be very challenged.
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No, I wasn't referring to you. For the most part I agree with what you posted.
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Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 9:06PM

Is there a clamoring from a significant contingent of porn viewers for more black actresses in major roles? It's harder to get a grasp on what the viewing public thinks since a large sampling is hard to come by, obviously since porn is what it is. People will shy away from interacting on porn or offering opinions. CNN or MSNBC or BBC can put a poll on their website asking the opinion on some elected official's job performance and can get hundreds of thousands, if not millions of answers. ESPN can do it to ask if the Vikings should sign Brett Favre and get the same level of response. Entertainment media outlets can do the same for opinions on the split between the latest "it" couple. You can get a better sense for where the majority stands on those types of issues. But you're not going to have hundreds of thousands voting at ADT, or AVN, or what have you. Could a lack of black ladies in porn be due to racism? Sure. As long as there are people with different ethnicities on this planet, there will be racism. But can we really say there's a great demand for more black ladies getting more work in bigger capacities and producers are missing out on profits? How can we tell? Unless the cadre that wants to see this type of porn, whether they're a minority or a majority, start making a lot of noise (or especially if they stop buying all-white female videos altogether), nothing will change. If enough of their audience doesn't want to see it, producers aren't going to make it, and vice versa.
I've seen other threads around the forum here complain about how porn is struggling because so many directors don't care. A lot of posters, inside and outside the industry, say they know or realize a good many current porn producers/directors don't even LIKE porn. So what other reason would those people be in this industry, especially this industry, besides to make money? Logically, racism wouldn't even be an issue for these producers. They'll do whatever sells since they don't have any personal or emotional interest vested in what they produce. Using an extreme and ludicrous analogy, if the porn-viewing public rises up as one and demands to see midget donkey scat and it'll sell like hotcakes, somebody's gonna start a "Tiny Ass Shitters" line with the quickness. Probably several somebodies. The past and current porn model (no pun intended) must be humming along just fine for these guys, otherwise they'd be taking steps to change it and try mixing things up to bring in more revenue. A money-making opportunity can't be ignored if there's not one there to begin with.
It'd be interesting to see some figures on the sales of major productions with Jada Fire and Marie Luv and so on as compared to select productions featuring Caucasian-only female casts. Therein lie the answers.

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Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 10:10PM

As pornlaw stated earlier, there is no easy answer to this. Do you blame the producer or end user? I also think both, but I would like to point out some of my observations after several years on a porn board. There are a remarkable number of people who take very vocal attitudes about what they want and how they want it. Statements like: "If I wanted pussy fucking I wouldn't buy an anal title" or "If I wanted to watch black performers I'd buy black porn" are far from unusual. It's the end user who sends a message to the producers that they want their porn in a certain specific way. Considering the fact that the OP was more interested in features, another factor comes into play. Features are, by and large, made by companies with more resources, outlets, and far more likely to do active research on their markets. It's likely that this is the information that they come up with and shape their productions to fit. Follow the money, as Deep Throat once astutely stated.
Believe me, I don't disagree with the inequities here. There are a number of women who are touted as huge stars by the masses that I barely "get" at all, and several black women who get precious little respect on these boards that can fuck them under a table. Marie Luv finally got some recognition at the AVN's with a performer of the year nomination about three or four years after she should have seen her first one. Most women wouldn't have her tenacity and stick with an industry that was so grudging with its respect, even though she graced dozens of box covers and usually turned in the best scene therein.
I'm not sure it's reasonable to expect producers to take risks with their product, and I'd be interested in knowing how they've fared when they have. The only way I can think of to change the situation is by supporting the producers who are effectively color blind when it comes to who they use. Buy their product and talk them up. The change starts with yours.

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Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 11:34PM

Well, I remember reading a quote from the guy the used to do the Buttslammers movies and he said quite frankly, "I'd love to do an all black Buttslammers, but there just isn't enough attractive black women in porn!"
I think that holds true now more than ever. Yes there might be one or two attractive black females in porn, so I don't need people to contradict me, but when you get right down to it, the black women doing porn really aren't that attractive.

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cholmes58
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Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 11:45PM

Well Rosco, I am sure you have heard the saying beauty is in the eye of the beholder...
Enough said.

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ntfighter
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Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 12:25AM

nue. A money-making opportunity can't be ignored if there's not one there to begin with.
It'd be interesting to see some figures on the sales of major productions with Jada Fire and Marie Luv and so on as compared to select productions featuring Caucasian-only female casts. Therein lie the answers.

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There wasn't a clamoring for women with big butts, only a market waiting to be catered to. No enterprising major porn studio did any research and had a eureka moment. They were complacent, porn sells. Imagine the sheer dollar amount they've lost since the beginning of big studio porn by not seeing the market potential of big butts curvy white women. Imho porn does not see the potential of black women in general, and that its based on a long standing racial policy, and thereby a market is under served.
About the "They don't have any personal or emotional interest vested in what they produce." So its ennui, and not institutional racism that is at the bottom of the inequality between black and white women in porn, and I assume no ones at fault. As for "If enough of their audience doesn't want to see it, producers aren't going to make it, and vice versa." Please, bad porn sells as well as good porn. A couple of years ago mouse stomping porn was be banned. Someone was buying it. Actually I hope they never realize their mistake with producer like Justin Slayer, Mr Markus and other burgeoning black owned studios around I think the void will be filled very nicely. Make money fellas and pay the girls what they deserve. None of this mainstream porn bullshit.
I'd also like to see those sells figures for Jada Fire and Marie Luv. I sure they sell as well as anyone in porn. Hats off to them both they've work their asses of to get where they are.
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It is clear that the industry has found significant value in casting Jada Fire and Marie Luv (and deservedly so) in porn movie opportunities that are not being offered to vast majority black porn actresses. Is it due to market research and established demand? Is it because the industry decision makers admire their sexual athleticism and erotic credibility in front of the camera? Does their work ethic and professionalism factor into their success? And to what extent do their professional connections with pivotal industry people sustain their reign as the black porn stars that tend to break the female actress color line more often then others African American porn stars.
It would be nice if someone from the industry would weigh in with some insight on the market research question, especially where these two outstanding actresses are concerned. However, I would speculate that the other abovementioned attributes also all factor into their successes.
Here is a hard question: is there something relating to those attributes that is lacking in other black actresses?
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Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 9:16AM

As for market research, really very few companies in porn do market research. It is mostly what the producer/director likes that gets made.
Unfortunately, a lot of the directors and producers in the Valley do not find black women sexually appealing and therefore do not use them or put them on boxcovers. One exception to this is Michael Stefano, who, from what I can tell really loves black women. (It might be an Italian preference.) He has shot many of the black female pornstars and has directly helped make many of them more well known.
Again, with anything else in life, its who you know.
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Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 11:07AM

I was quoting a guy who was in a position to hire the women and consider the fact the guy made roughly 30 all girl movies. Figure 8 girls per movie, less duplicates such as Felecia and Misty Rain and a few others, and he probably hired 175 different girls for his flicks. I guess he knows what he's talking about as far as what would sell or not. But IMHO, and Michael agrees with me above, there aren't that many attractive women in porn. Whether YOU agree or don't, it's just the way it is.
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Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 11:35AM

The ones who are currently doing porn may not appeal to you and indeed may not have a wide appeal (I like some of them but confess to not being able to name them because I've seen them so infrequently) but I know there are very attractive black women everywhere. I think if the directors wanted to, they could find them. White viewers may indeed reject them but as long as there are plenty of scenes on a DVD, why does it matter if there are a couple of girls you aren't attracted to? It's like that anyway. I usually rent a DVD to see one girl. I'm sure there are people who would appreciate them being included.
I don't generally go out of my way to get all black movies because my interest isn't exclusively black. I would enjoy the scenes if they were there.
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pornlaw
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Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 12:02PM

Thats not what I said. I said, the majority of white directors and producers are not attracted to black women. Not that there arent attractive black women in porn. There's a fundamental difference in those two statements.
For the most part, directors and producers make smut that gets them hard. Not what gets the customer hard. And quite frankly, most white guys dont like black women - directors and customers alike. Therefore you arent going to see a lot of black women being used in white male produced and directed titles.
Some stars like Vanessa Blue, Marie Luv, Jada Fire and Monique are probably better known than some of the other black female performers since they did a lot of reverse inter-racial work.
There are a lot of attractive black female performers, they just do not get the roles that white female performers get so they are not as well known.
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ntfighter
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Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 1:13PM

I agree that directors and producer make the porn they like with the women they find attractive. There was a time not so long ago that producers cast mostly slim blonds, than pressured and subsidized them to get huge fake breast.
Today I think there is a consensus that was/is a poor business model. The number one maxim in business is to give the customer what they want. Thank god for the internet, they can ask us directly.
I disagree that customer would not support black women appearing more frequently and being cast in more prominent roles. Black men are customers, Hispanic men are customers. It simply has never been explored. Historically porn operated on the unspoken rule that black women couldn't carry a movie. The meager roles given to black women seem to prove the rule. Producer with no other evidence than that culled from dinner talk within their cadre are still making decision based on low expectation. They are in business, it is to their advantage to test the market, and not only follow the formula all others have used.
Porn has created an audience for men jerking off on women, simply by presenting and highlighting the act. Present and highlight black women they find beautiful. Beautiful black women are a diverse group They come in all shape, sizes, body types and a fucking rainbow of colors, how could someone say they don't find black women attractive?, what configuration don't they like?. Take these well know actress:
Vanessa Blue
Jada Fire
Marie Luv
Naomi Banxxx
Sinammon Love
Kapri Styles
Each one beautiful in her own right. Black women cover the continuum in looks. White "MEN" ( I uses the term loosely) who have never seen a black women they'd want to have sex with or to see have sex, have a much larger issue then personal preference. I see a more malignant force at work

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Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 3:25PM

Call me stupid, but what is this? (Is this a black female with a white male?)

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ntfighter
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Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 3:29PM

That definitely is not a white chicks ass. Might be white skin color but that ass screams mother Africa.

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The fuck? No one else caught that bullshit?

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Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 5:01PM

@Cerebral Jedi:
It's not so bad when you look at it in context. He (sauce) just used a bit of exaggeration to make a point.

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cholmes58
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Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 5:08PM

I caught it and discarded it. For the most part, there is a relatively intelligent discussion going on about this, and with comments like Sauce's, ... well I would not lend any dignity to his remark by responding directly to him.

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Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 5:55PM

I stand corrected and was paraphrasing and interpreting differently on what you said about the attractiveness of black women in porn.
I will stand by what I say about there not being that many attractive black women in porn. Its really simple to prove actually. Check any "Favorite Top 10" list on this site when it comes to a poll. You'll have guys rattling off 25-30 obscure names that noone has every heard of before and never will again. Then you jump to the category of Black Actresses and a conversation of their attractiveness etc etc etc, and it's always the same 4-5 names, Jada, Maria, Vanessa, Kapri, Naomi.

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TobeyTim
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Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 6:18PM

pornlaw, what part of town are you from?
"And quite frankly, most white guys dont like black women"
What the hell are you talking about? Haha. You and yours must be a selected few because there's no most white guys likes or dislikes. If anything it's likes, because oppsites do attract. People like different things, but to say that most white guys don't like black women is ignorant, borderline stupid.
In other words, cholmes58, I agree with you. I just don't feel like discussing this. I think it's a load of crap to even be having this discussion. In 90 prosent of my topics I advocate having more black women in porn in general. I don't just want them in a specific category. They should be everywhere!

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Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 7:01PM

It is funny, but it is distorted. CNN showed clips that clearly show he was turning to help the black woman, in the white dress with blue patterns, who is right off his right shoulder. In clip in takes her by the arm and helps her down the steps.
The picture kind of drives home the thought that public figures do need to be on guard at all times.

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Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 7:24PM

^Yeah...I looked it up after it was posted. Still funny, though.

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cholmes58
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Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 7:32PM

Consider where we should be as a society on the general issue of race, there are many of us that feel the same...we should be beyond racial bias. But as open minded and colorblind as some folks are, it was only a mere 60 years ago when there were still WHITES ONLY, COLORED ONLY signs hanging over water fountains and other places of segregation.
Whereas back in those days, there was a lot blatant in-your-face bigotry and prejudice, today the bias and prejudice of some is more prevalently evidenced as a function of the subconscious. Some folks have biases that they don't realize, acknowledge or totally understand.
I would like to think that subconscious bias is what is at play in the porn industry concerning the topic under discussion. Maybe that is naive thinking. Maybe it is hoping for the best in people and staying to remain optimistic for the future in terms of societal evolution.

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ntfighter
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Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 7:39PM

Rosco Fuji wrote:
pornlaw wrote:
Rosco Fuji wrote:
But IMHO, and Michael agrees with me above, there aren't that many attractive women in porn.
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Thats not what I said. I said, the majority of white directors and producers are not attracted to black women. Not that there arent attractive black women in porn. There's a fundamental difference in those two statements.
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I stand corrected and was paraphrasing and interpreting differently on what you said about the attractiveness of black women in porn.
I will stand by what I say about there not being that many attractive black women in porn. Its really simple to prove actually. Check any "Favorite Top 10" list on this site when it comes to a poll. You'll have guys rattling off 25-30 obscure names that noone has every heard of before and never will again. Then you jump to the category of Black Actresses and a conversation of their attractiveness etc etc etc, and it's always the same 4-5 names, Jada, Maria, Vanessa, Kapri, Naomi.

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Proves my point about black women in porn. Black women have not had the spotlight enough that fans have become familiar and comfortable with them as objects of sexual fantasy. To see them you are required to seek them out specifically. Its a matter of exposure.
Any male would need to be psychologically disposed to seeing black women as unattractive to ever consider the statement you are defending as contains any truth. The premise is patently false, it's bullshit, a clumsy cop out. It's spoken by and appeals to those who need a reason, no matter how feeble to discriminate and avoid the condemnation their actions warrant. You blame the victim. The statement is unreasonable to the point of pathology. I think you may be suffering from reverse Ralph Ellison Invisible Man syndrome.
I've noticed that all the top ten list on here will have very blacks. I find it very interesting that a recent list called "Who has the best Ass" didn't have any current black actresses.
I don't see that as evidence that attractive black women are unavailable, or that white guys don't dig black chick. It more evidence about the porn industry and what they have led fans to expect. The slim blue eyed blond that you apparently think is the only acceptable beauty is being challenged as we speak by a flood of dark eyed, dark haired, dark skinned, curvy ethnic beauties. Viva verities!

Edited by - ntfighter on 7/14/2009 3:07:01 AM

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