Condoms in Porn... Measure B/Bill AB 1576/Prop 60 (page 5)

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Goldstein All-Star Member "You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10	Posted - Nov 18 2012 : 6:39PM ^ We disagree. And, I won't argue with you. Thank you. [Link]
valo Senior Member 1854 Posts 9/07	Posted - Nov 18 2012 : 8:13PM If 244k didn't vote on the measure, how many actually did? [Link]
pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10	Posted - Nov 18 2012 : 8:37PM "The biggest wedge issue between Los Angeles women and men in last week's election wasn't over Obama versus Romney. It was the question of whether to require that male actors wear condoms in adult films produced in Los Angeles County. 63 percent of women supported Measure B. But 61 percent of men said they opposed imposing the condom requirement, according to a Daily News story. That is two starkly different mindsets. Click to expand I don't know if you are surprised by these numbers but I'm not. Women are usually on the losing side when it comes to STD's. Guys may get the odd STD and they may even get the nasty ones but the consequences for women getting almost any STD are usually a lot worse than their male counterpart. Especially if it's not caught early and based on a recent study of STD and porn performers then this is rather common thing in the porn industry. The bulk of the argument against condoms in porn has either been that from the guys side that they prefer to watch girls getting fucked bareback regardless that said girl may get an std from that and from the women side that they don't want anyone to tell them what they can do with their body regardless that the people wanting that do so in the hope that the girl will avoid the consequences that can occur from getting an std. [Link]
MorganKane Senior Member 6037 Posts 10/10	Posted - Nov 18 2012 : 11:41PM valo wrote: If 244k didn't vote on the measure, how many actually did? Click to expand 2,183,253 (according to wikipedia) did vote on the measure. [Link]

RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Nov 19 2012 : 12:55AM pat362 wrote: The bulk of the argument against condoms in porn has either been that from the guys side that they prefer to watch girls getting fucked bareback regardless that said girl may get an std from that and from the women side that they don't want anyone to tell them what they can do with their body regardless that the people wanting that do so in the hope that the girl will avoid the consequences that can occur from getting an std. Click to expand The bulk of the argument against condoms doesn't work on people who simply don't give a shit when you tell them that porn is inherently all about the appearance of no rules. When you put a big honkin' rubber right there in the place where all the attention is supposed to be focused, no one can deny that you are watching censored porn. It does not even have the appearance of being uncensored. The trend to harder and harder porn was not an accident. It happened because this is what porn is supposed to be. There should be as few rules as humanly possible and if you have to do something to mitigate the risks to the performers, it should not be visible on the screen in every solitary scene. Look on the reverse box cover of any hardcore porn flick and you will almost invariably see the stills from the most "shocking" and hardest moments. Imagine looking on the reverse of a supposedly hardcore flick and seeing a wilted condom clad cock being held near the girl's ass as if it was in any way exciting to think about fucking a girl with a condom or to watch it. Unless you have a latex fetish or the thought of condoms turns you on or something, this is obviously porn's kryptonite. That is to say that you know this will destroy the vast majority of porn's marketability and you disingenuously claim it is all for the welfare of the performers. Despite the fact that they wouldn't be doing porn to begin with if they hadn't chosen to take the risk. Which is relatively slight for the most serious STDs with decent testing. I wonder why testing just isn't good enough for the condom crowd? Could it be because it doesn't utterly ruin every scene? [Link]
Geri Member 329 Posts 7/12	Posted - Nov 19 2012 : 2:44AM pat362 wrote: I don't know if you are surprised by these numbers but I'm not. Women are usually on the losing side when it comes to STD's. Guys may get the odd STD and they may even get the nasty ones but the consequences for women getting almost any STD are usually a lot worse than their male counterpart. Especially if it's not caught early and based on a recent study of STD and porn performers then this is rather common thing in the porn industry. Click to expand Dangerous nonsense. Where do you get the idea that "the consequences for women getting almost any STD are usually a lot worse than their male counterpart" ? It's not true. pat362 wrote: The bulk of the argument against condoms in porn has either been that from the guys side that they prefer to watch girls getting fucked bareback regardless that said girl may get an std from that and from the women side that they don't want anyone to tell them what they can do with their body regardless that the people wanting that do so in the hope that the girl will avoid the consequences that can occur from getting an std. Click to expand Hope you read the comment from Nica Noelle I posted. Under Measure B she wouldn't be able to perform in B/G scenes anymore. And if they bring in dental dams and latex gloves as well she wouldn't be able to do G/G either. [Link]
mharris127 Senior Member 1844 Posts 8/09	Posted - Nov 19 2012 : 10:31AM Yes, it is a shame that Measure B passed. However, Nica and others won't have to worry about it because porn will just pack up and move to San Francisco like it did in the 70's and 80's. Los Angeles just shot its economy in the foot by passing this assinine regulation. [Link]
Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09	Posted - Nov 19 2012 : 12:34PM ^Do you really think that anyone outside the porn industry gives a 2nd thought to the "porn economy" and would lose any sleep if porn production moved to a different location? [Link]
Haze Deactivated User 769 Posts 7/04	Posted - Dec 9 2012 : 2:04AM mharris127 wrote: Los Angeles just shot its economy in the foot by passing this assinine regulation. Click to expand How much exactly is LA's porn economy amount to in comparison to it's tourism, mainstream entertainment, agriculture, food and restaurant, and textile and retail economy actually amount to though I wonder. Cause I live in LA. [Link]
Geri Member 329 Posts 7/12	Posted - Dec 9 2012 : 12:27PM ^^^ If the adult industry moves out of LA altogether then LA will be loosing about 30 billion $ a year. [Link]
MorganKane Senior Member 6037 Posts 10/10	Posted - Dec 9 2012 : 2:04PM ^30 billion?? That sounds way too much, even at the best of times. [Link]
Geri Member 329 Posts 7/12	Posted - Dec 9 2012 : 5:32PM ^^^^ Sounds a lot I know, but In 2006 Worldwide Pornography Revenues = $97.06 Billion Nearly 90% of all legally distributed pornographic films made in the United States are either filmed in or produced by studios based in the San Fernando Valley Approximately 10,000 people work in the LA adult movie industry. If the adult industry moves out of LA altogether then the loss to the LA economy is undoubtedly going to be many billions of dollars. [Link]
InFamous Deactivated User 1051 Posts 2/12	Posted - Dec 9 2012 : 6:25PM ^ That will hurt them the most, LA lost is San Francisco or Vegas gain. [Link]
pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10	Posted - Dec 9 2012 : 8:44PM Geri wrote: ^^^^ In 2006 Worldwide Pornography Revenues = $97.06 Billion Nearly 90% of all legally distributed pornographic films made in the United States are either filmed in or produced by studios based in the San Fernando Valley Approximately 10,000 people work in the LA adult movie industry. If the adult industry moves out of LA altogether then the loss to the LA economy is undoubtedly going to be many billions of dollars. Click to expand I'm affraid that even if those numbers were correct and I seroulsy doubt it) then it still doesn't make any difference now because they aren't actually transferable from one year to the next. Today's porn industry is not a 97 billions dollar industry. It's probably not even a 30 billions dollar industry so if studios want to pack up and move out of LA because of the condom law then the city is not going to lose all that much money. You'll have to tell me where you got the 10,000 people working the adult film industry because that looks like a very high number. Especially when you consider the number of LA studios still shooting porn. That number might have made sense in 2006 but not now. I agree that the number of legally shot porn is going to be higher in LA but that's because it's not legal to shoot it anywhere else except New Hampshire and I don't think that they have a very big porn industry. They probably don't even have a tiny one. Now It's quite possible that the porn industry is thinking about moving out of LA but I don't know how much of that is bullshit and how much of that is truth. The majority of performers live in LA. They aren't going to pack up their stuff and move to another State. Especially when you consider just how bad the economy is at the monent. They may drive to a close location to shoot porn but they will in turn ask for more money to cover travelling cost. If they have to fly then they are going to ask even more money. Then there's the obvious cost of moving your LA studio. You have to rent or sell your existing LA space and rent or buy space in a different city/State. That's not going to be free. [Link]

Geri Member 329 Posts 7/12	Posted - Dec 10 2012 : 12:33PM pat362 wrote: You'll have to tell me where you got the 10,000 people working the adult film industry because that looks like a very high number. Especially when you consider the number of LA studios still shooting porn. That number might have made sense in 2006 but not now. Click to expand The 10,000 figure comes from the Free Speech Coalition. It apparently includes a significant number of makeup artists, hair stylists, audio engineers, lighting technicians and other crew members, who are moonlighting in adult movie production to supplement their income from mainstream movie production. Now, why would they need to do that? Edited by - Geri on 12/10/2012 3:58:54 PM [Link]
pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10	Posted - Dec 10 2012 : 9:05PM ^If that's the case then the number is definetely incorrect because porn stopped regularly using most of these people years ago. These days girls tend to do their own hair and do their own makeup so that the studio can save money. The technicians are also mostly a thing of the past because the type of porn now being produced really doesn't need all that tecnical know how. I know that many people working behind the scenes in Hollywood used to work on porn sets so once upon a time. It was normal to work both porn and mainstream but I think most manstream guys are not really doing too many forays into the porn side of things. [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Dec 11 2012 : 12:19AM Pat, I don't know why you're wasting your time. Anybody who could assert that porn puts $30 billion a year in LA's pocket clearly has such a tenuous grasp on the concepts of money and numbers in general that there's no point in discussing it with them. [Link]
Geri Member 329 Posts 7/12	Posted - Dec 11 2012 : 2:51AM pat362 wrote: ^If that's the case then the number is definetely incorrect because porn stopped regularly using most of these people years ago..... Click to expand OK, so the FSC is wrong or lying then. The CEO of Vivid is happy to quote the 10,000 jobs figure, so that's good enough for me. [Link]
Haze Deactivated User 769 Posts 7/04	Posted - Dec 11 2012 : 2:55AM I think it doesn't really matter where porn moves if they have another HIV, Syphilis, or any other sort of outbreak again wherever they go they'll be under scrutiny, and believe me it most likely will happen again. Not often but most likely it'll happen, like a plane crash which once again puts it on the spotlight. Then another city will try and pass a condom law and the industry will try and move again. This can go on for a while. [Link]
Geri Member 329 Posts 7/12	Posted - Dec 11 2012 : 2:56AM Harri Patel wrote: Pat, I don't know why you're wasting your time. Anybody who could assert that porn puts $30 billion a year in LA's pocket clearly has such a tenuous grasp on the concepts of money and numbers in general that there's no point in discussing it with them. Click to expand I didn't say porn puts $30 billion a year in LA's pocket. I'm considering the overall loss to LA's economy if the adult industry moves out altogether. Anyway. What's your answer to Haze's question? [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Dec 11 2012 : 3:22PM Adult Industry Leaders to File Suit Against L.A. County Over Measure B (Xbiz) "Industry attorneys Paul Cambria of Lipsitz Green Scime Cambria, Louis Sirkin of Santen Hughes, and Bob Corn-Revere of Davis Wright Tremaine will represent the industry in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California. The attorneys plan to challenge the law on the question of whether the County has jurisdiction to regulate adult production on performer health and safety, as these issues would typically fall under CalOSHA and thus State regulation. Additionally, attorneys plan to challenge the law on Constitutional grounds." Cambria and Sirkin were primary attorneys in John Stagliano's obscenity trial. [Link]
Geri Member 329 Posts 7/12	Posted - Dec 12 2012 : 6:04PM pat362 wrote: I agree that the number of legally shot porn is going to be higher in LA but that's because it's not legal to shoot it anywhere else except New Hampshire and I don't think that they have a very big porn industry. They probably don't even have a tiny one. Click to expand Although there hasn't been a test case in the Nevada courts as such, it is pretty much a given that shooting porn in Nevada is legal - at the very least in some counties in Nevada. Bluebird Films closed their studio in LA and moved to Vegas sometime ago. Before Measure B passed Brazzers had moved most of their US production to their production facility in Nevada, where they were employing 280 people as of April this year. All their US production will probably go there now, if it hasn't done so already. Marc J. Randazza and J. Malcolm DeVoy of the Randazza Legal Group make the case for Relocating Porn Production to Las Vegas here: http://www.xbiz.com/news/152228 Note especially the section: "A City Ready for Production." - where they write: "Local politicians know that bringing the adult film industry to Las Vegas will be a starter culture for a more broad based film industry. Already, Las Vegas is no stranger to mainstream filming with feature films ("Ocean’s Eleven;" "The Hangover") and primetime television shows ("CSI"; "The Defenders") filmed in the valley. Having had a taste, the region wants more — and is willing to start its voyage to being a film production center with the adult film business." APHSS - Adult Production Health & Safety Services - have opened testing centers in Las Vegas. There are two locations in Las Vegas - The southeast location is at 500 E. Windmill Ln, #115, and the northwest location is at 2051 N. Rainbow Blvd, #100. https://aphss.org/ Edited by - Geri on 12/12/2012 6:07:24 PM [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Dec 12 2012 : 9:59PM Geri wrote: it is pretty much a given that shooting porn in Nevada is legal Click to expand Not to anyone who actually knows what they're talking about, it isn't. [Link]
Geri Member 329 Posts 7/12	Posted - Dec 13 2012 : 2:43AM ^^^^^ Nevada Is Not Likely to Prosecute Porn Producers The Nevada prostitution statute is all but identical to the California statute at issue in Freeman, and likely would receive a similar interpretation by Nevada’s courts. Even if the Nevada statute was not intended to allow pornography production as it is written, it would be very unlikely that the Nevada courts would part ways with Nevada’s closest neighbor, California, and its closest genetic relative, New Hampshire. Nevada’s judiciary has a lengthy history of looking to the courts of California and New Hampshire for guidance. Moreover, Nevada’s social, political, and economic mores are likely to make it at least as friendly as California has been to the adult entertainment industry. Unlike New Hampshire, the sex industry is nothing new to Nevada’s government or its residents. In fact, the state arguably has a friendlier relationship with the sex industry than any other state in the nation. After all, it is the only state with legalized prostitution. Therefore, using the threat of a prostitution charge to discourage adult content production would pack a lot less of a punch and likely be taken less seriously in Nevada. Given the similarity of the state’s prostitution statute and California’s in Freeman, it would take a stunning display of intellectual dishonesty for the Nevada Supreme Court to reach a contrary conclusion. While lacking California’s robust history with the pornography industry, Nevada has embraced the broader sex industry with some of the country’s most permissive laws for strip clubs, swingers clubs, brothels, and direct-to-you “dancer” services that are heavily advertised on the Las Vegas Strip’s sidewalks. If anything, porn production is the next logical step for Nevada, as its laws have long recognized the expressive and economic importance of adult entertainment. http://www.xbiz.com/news/152228 http://www.randazza.com/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Randazza Again. What's your answer to Haze's question Harri? [Link]

pornlaw Member 578 Posts 10/05	Posted - Dec 13 2012 : 10:46AM Harri Patel wrote: Geri wrote: it is pretty much a given that shooting porn in Nevada is legal Click to expand Not to anyone who actually knows what they're talking about, it isn't. Click to expand And you still have the problem of whether the model releases could withstand a civil challenge to their validity. Illegal contracts are void ab initio. http://georgetownlawjournal.org/articles/sexual-reconsideration-adult-entertainment-contracts-and-th [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Dec 13 2012 : 10:25PM Mike Quasar apparently had a visit from the LAPD yesterday. 8 cops storm my house to bust a non-existent porn shoot. Good job LAPD. I guess there were no murders to solve today. My house was broken into 4 years ago - 2 cops showed up after 90 minutes. Alleged porn shoot without permit - 8 cops. LA taxpayers: The LAPD sends 8 cops to investigate an alleged porn shoot while 198 people are murdered in 2012. Your tax dollars at work. There was no porn shoot at my address. GET A WARRANT NEXT TIME LAPD. There's a little thing called THE LAW that you're supposed to obey [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Dec 15 2012 : 7:42AM The joys of being an American. [Link]
mharris127 Senior Member 1844 Posts 8/09	Posted - Dec 16 2012 : 1:15AM I think Measure B and the cops raiding Mike Quasar's house is a conspiracy between the LA government and Mike Weinfuck to run porn out of LA. Freeman was the result of their last concerted attempt but I think the future of LA porn is toast because it is infinitely cheaper to move to San Francisco than to fight this battle in the courts. Mark my words -- Vivid or Hustler will be next on the LA Pig Department's hit parade. I bet Hef, Steve Orenstein, Steve Hirsch and Larry Flynt are looking in Belvedere and Tiburon (located in beautiful Marin County just north of San Francisco) for new homes as I type. Oakland has plenty of empty warehouses that can be converted into studios (just ask Matt Williams, he already went this route for Intersec) and its populace carries the same free-wheeling liberal beliefs as San Francisco (and it is just across the Oakland bridge literally five miles from SF). I am sure San Francisco has some empty commercial and office buildings too. Most of unincorporated Marin County would welcome the building of new studios as well. [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Dec 18 2012 : 12:26AM LA County Health Issues Measure B Letter to Adult Producers (AVN) "Despite initial confusion, FilmLA says that until individual cities adopt the new law, it will issue permits to producers without health permits unless it is for shoots in unincorporated areas of Los Angeles County." Porno Dan and pornlaw both mentioned. [Link]
santasingh Member 301 Posts 11/11	Posted - Dec 19 2012 : 1:33AM safety at work is a priority for every industry and porn industry should also make sure that precautions are taken to stop sexually transmitted diseases .Designer against AIDS is one non profitable organization running campaign all over the world and now shanti is working with them closely to create awareness and will be releasing a documentary also soon.this is her video posted on the website with english subtitles to create awareness. http://www.designersagainstaids.com/press/item/shanti_against_aids/ It is a great move and every pornstar should enforce the use of condoms in porn.We have no rights to risk anyone's life for own pleasure and entertainment. we should help non profitable organziations like DAA to run more of these campaigns and create awareness. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Dec 22 2012 : 1:31AM santasingh wrote: safety at work Click to expand Propaganda. [Link]
Geri Member 329 Posts 7/12	Posted - Dec 28 2012 : 2:24AM santasingh wrote: safety at work is a priority for every industry and porn industry should also make sure that precautions are taken to stop sexually transmitted diseases .Designer against AIDS is one non profitable organization running campaign all over the world and now shanti is working with them closely to create awareness and will be releasing a documentary also soon.this is her video posted on the website with english subtitles to create awareness. http://www.designersagainstaids.com/press/item/shanti_against_aids/ It is a great move and every pornstar should enforce the use of condoms in porn.We have no rights to risk anyone's life for own pleasure and entertainment. we should help non profitable organziations like DAA to run more of these campaigns and create awareness. Click to expand This comment is really pretty bloody rich coming from someone who appears to be a Sikh man. [Link]
santasingh Member 301 Posts 11/11	Posted - Dec 28 2012 : 11:12AM [/quote] This comment is really pretty bloody rich coming from someone who appears to be a Sikh man. [/quote] Unfortunately HIV AIDS doesn't distinguish between different race and religions and rich or poor.Safety at work is a basic requirement for everyone. All the religion teach you one very important thing is to be a better human being and care about others as well. religions are made to help people in being a better human being.people interpreted the message in a different way but that is what is common in all the religions. One thing what every religion also teach you is to respect your work because that gives you living. Work is small or big , it is a work what people do for living and we should respect that and if you are following any religion, you will care for life and death of people. You have found a picture of few sikh workers on a construction site, i guess you missed out finding the list on wikipedia for sikh all over world. Prime minister of India- Manmohan Singh is a sikh. Scientists and humanitarian activists Narinder Singh Kapany,[54][55] Father of optical fibers Bhagat Puran Singh,[56][57] founder of Pingalwara, Home of Disabled, Amritsar Avtar Saini, computer engineer & scientist, designer and developer of Intel Pentium Processor Hollywood Tarsem Singh Gurinder Chadha[4][5][6] Namrata Singh Gujral[7][8] Parminder Nagra[9] Waris Ahluwalia Kulvinder Ghir[10][11] United States Dalip Singh Saund, U.S. Representative from 1957 to 1963 Bhagat Singh Thind Uday Singh Taunque Kashmir Gill Preet Bharara Harry Sidhu G. B. Singh Martin Hoke, U.S. Representative from 1993 to 1997 here it is more for you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sikhs [Link]
Geri Member 329 Posts 7/12	Posted - Dec 29 2012 : 7:16AM ^^^^^^ Thank you Mr Singh. I believe that I know rather more about Sikhs than you apparently suppose. For example, I know that it is entirely possible that the two workers in the picture I posted above who are wearing turbans instead of hard hats are not necessarily the only Sikhs in that picture. Because of course it would be a violation of his human rights to insist that a Sikh construction worker wears a turban instead of a hard hat because his religion allows him to be exempt from complying with some statuary health and safety regulations. And I know that it is a fact that some Sikh men do choose to shave their beards, have regular haircuts and not wear turbans at all. And yet, they are still Sikhs. They can still go to the Temple and be welcome to enter there - just as long as they take their shoes off and wear a bit of cloth on their head that is. Now, because such Sikh men who flout tradition do exist who are not prohibited thereby from entering their traditional places of worship there is an argument to be made that Sikhs in general do not have to be given a special exemption from wearing certain items of safety gear that everybody else is required to wear (by law) in any given situation. Basically, what I'm saying to you is: people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Edited by - Geri on 12/29/2012 7:18:06 AM [Link]

santasingh Member 301 Posts 11/11	Posted - Dec 29 2012 : 9:32AM Geri wrote: ^^^^^^ Thank you Mr Singh. I believe that I know rather more about Sikhs than you apparently suppose. Basically, what I'm saying to you is: people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Edited by - Geri on 12/29/2012 7:18:06 AM Click to expand Good to know that you know more about sikhs more then me and i am sure you must be aware of some laws as well for sikhs to be allowed to wear turbans on construction sites because of religious reasons.You are trying to give a excuse for not wearing condoms in porn by connecting it to a specific religion and race. As i mentioned HIV AIDS doesn't know what religion and race you are and wearing condoms while performing sex scene i guess should not be connected with a religion or race. If someone denying the use of condom because of religious reasons then there has to be exemption in law . I guess you know all this since you know more about Sikh then me :) but still you can read some information below. Q. Should you refuse employment to a turban-wearing Sikh who refuses to wear a safety helmet on a construction site? Where employees, or potential employees have particular cultural and religious needs which conflict with existing work requirements, it is recommended that employers should consider whether it is reasonably practical to vary or adapt these requirements to enable these needs to be met. For example, it is recommended that they should not refuse employment to a turbaned Sikh because he could not comply with unjustifiable uniform requirements. S11 of the Employment Act 1989 exempts turban-wearing Sikhs from any requirements to wear safety helmets on a construction site. Where a turban-wearing Sikh is injured on a construction site liability for injuries is restricted to the injuries that would have been sustained if the Sikh had been wearing a safety helmet. THE EMPLOYMENT ACT 1989 - SIKHS AND HEAD PROTECTION 20 Section 11(1) of the Act exempts a follower of the Sikh religion from any legal requirement to wear a safety helmet while on a construction site ("any place where building operations or works of engineering construction are being undertaken"), provided that he is wearing a turban. Accordingly, turban-wearing Sikhs do not have to comply with any duty under reg 6 to wear head protection on construction sites (nor with the general duty under HSW Act s.7 in the same respects.) 21 Section 11(2) of the Act also exempts Sikhs and any other persons from any legal requirements connected with the wearing, provision or maintenance of safety helmets in relation to Sikhs on construction sites. Hence, employers and other persons in control of workers are relieved of their duties to a Sikh under regs 3, 4 and 5 provided that the Sikh is wearing a turban. In the same way, they are exempted from like duties under HSW Act ss.2, 3 and 4 22 Section 11(4) and 11(6) sets out the civil liability position when the above exemptions are in operation, and Section 12 protects Sikhs from racial discrimination in connection with requirements to wear safety helmets. These aspects of the Act are dealt with by the Department for Education and Employment, not HSE [Link]
Geri Member 329 Posts 7/12	Posted - Dec 29 2012 : 5:19PM ^^^^^ The sentence: "I believe that I know rather more about Sikhs than you apparently suppose." does not mean that I believe I know more about Sikhs than you do. It means that I believe I know rather more about Sikhs than you seem to think I do. So, let me rephrase that for you. I believe that I know rather more about Sikhs than you apparently suppose that I do. PS. I really wouldn't want anyone to think that I think that I know more about Sikhism than a Sikh does - because that would make me seem to be an insufferably patronizing individual....wouldn't it now? Edited by - Geri on 12/29/2012 5:37:11 PM [Link]
santasingh Member 301 Posts 11/11	Posted - Dec 30 2012 : 12:13AM ^^^^^ quite confusing what actually you want to say about your knowledge level on Sikhism .anyway in this thread we are supposed to discuss about use of condoms in porn and express our views and not to discuss about the knowledge level me or you have about Sikhism .you brought up a point so I replied you by showing you the exemptions from law. so I hope that gives you better understanding on safety at work and if someone don't want to follow there has to be exemption in law with clear conditions on what could be consequences . [Link]
Goldstein All-Star Member "You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10	Posted - Dec 30 2012 : 8:40AM ^ Aren't we all getting a little "Sikh" of this, already? [Link]
Jonny Jay Outlier Moderator 5990 Posts 8/09	Posted - Dec 30 2012 : 1:37PM ^Yep! @ Santsingh and Geri. As informative as your safety in the workplace concerning Sikh head wear talk is we're off topic. It's time to take that particular discussion to the private message facility, no more posts concerning this please. -------------------- [Link]
santasingh Member 301 Posts 11/11	Posted - Dec 30 2012 : 2:42PM Apologies to everyone for going off topic,since point was raised for specific race/religion so i replied with the knowledge what i was having on the law. we will be back on track on point of discussion. [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Jan 11 2013 : 4:38PM Adult Entertainment Industry Files Suit Challenging Measure B (Xbiz) LOS ANGELES — Attorneys for the adult entertainment industry filed suit today at federal court challenging the recently passed Measure B, which makes it mandatory for performers to wear condoms while shooting adult films in Los Angeles County. The suit says that Measure B is unnecessary because of rigorous and effective self-regulation by the adult industry and that it imposes an unconstitutional system of prior restraint in violation of the First Amendment. Numerous provisions of Measure B are excessively vague and burdensome, and thus place an intolerable restriction on freedom of expression. The lawsuit also challenges the county’s jurisdiction to regulate adult production on performer health and safety. The adult industry plaintiffs include adult production company Vivid Entertainment along with adult performers Kayden Kross and Logan Pierce. “Overturning this law is something I feel very passionate about. I believe the industry’s current testing system works well," said Steven Hirsch, founder and co-chairman of Vivid Entertainment. “Since 2004 over 300,000 explicit scenes have been filmed with zero HIV transmission. "The new law makes no sense and it imposes a government licensing regime on making films that are protected by the Constitution. Measure B will have vast unintended consequences which may undermine industry efforts to protect the health of our actors and actresses.” Attorneys Paul Cambria of Lipsitz Green Scime Cambria, Louis Sirkin of Santen Hughes and Bob Corn-Revere of Davis Wright Tremaine are representing the plaintiffs. Cambria said that the condom law not only infringes on free expression but rather than protect performers as it currently does it will drive production overseas or off shore where no protection exists. [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Jan 11 2013 : 9:53PM Here's a more detailed article about the lawsuit by AVN's Mark Kernes. [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Jan 12 2013 : 4:05PM It would be nice if either the Xbiz pdf link to the complaint worked or the AVN copy of the complaint wasn't behind a login wall. [Link]
MrWayneBrady Member 44 Posts 7/11	Posted - Jan 12 2013 : 5:50PM I am a fan porn. I like porn. Measure B will change that. As a fan of porn and watcher, I wholeheartedly do not want Measure B to come into fruition. It will cripple the industry. The industry is already crippled because of torrents and tube sites, but let's be honest, who actually pays for porn anymore? Many claim that Measure B infringes on free speech and forces the performers to do things that they do not want to do. Many also claim that the industry is relatively safe and that it's actually more and better to have sex with a porn performer because of how often they test but that's not really close to the truth. 1. You can get a test done at the beginning of the month and it'll say that you're clean, but you then go and have sex in between your next scheduled shoot and now that test is invalid. You should just throw it away. 2. I believe the biggest reason that Measure B will be passed is because of the escorting. I'll be the first to admit that I'd never pay for sex or pay for sex with a pornstar [because I believe that sex with a pornstar is highly overrated and most stars are desensitized to sex]. Everyone knows that the majority of pornstars, male and female, escort. From Pamela Peaks to the Luxury Companion to Speigler to Body Miracle and many more, sex is rampant and you cannot claim it to be safe from STDs and STIs when everyone is having sex whether it be from escorting or from feature dancing. There's so much more involved then just sex and lawsuits. What the drugs? What about actually finding a job or an employer that will hire you once you're finish and that's if you do. What about having a healthy, happy relationship after porn because is close to being non-existent. I have noticed that a lot of female performers have pets. I don't want Measure B to be passed but it seems inevitable. Vivid and many others can sue and file lawsuits, but I don't see an outcome where it ends in the industry's favor. Edited by - MrWayneBrady on 1/27/2013 3:00:06 PM [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Jan 17 2013 : 5:46PM L.A. City Council OKs Adoption of Measure B's Language (Xbiz) LOS ANGELES — City Council voted, 14-0, yesterday to approve the city administrative officer's recommendation that the city adopt the language and intent of Los Angeles County's Measure B and ordered a draft measure that requires adult film producers to obtain health permits before commencing production. Miguel Santana, the City of Los Angeles' city administrative officer, earlier this week submitted a report that seeks to amend the city's own Safer Sex in the Adult Film Industry Ordinance, approved by council and signed into law in January 2012 by Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, because of conflicting requirements and enforcement procedures included in the city and county ordinances. more at the link above [Link]
rlankford Senior Member 2045 Posts 6/06	Posted - Jan 17 2013 : 6:17PM Edited by - rlankford on 1/17/2013 6:18:48 PM [Link]
mharris127 Senior Member 1844 Posts 8/09	Posted - Jan 17 2013 : 9:25PM pringles wrote: L.A. City Council OKs Adoption of Measure B's Language (Xbiz) LOS ANGELES — City Council voted, 14-0, yesterday to approve the city administrative officer's recommendation that the city adopt the language and intent of Los Angeles County's Measure B and ordered a draft measure that requires adult film producers to obtain health permits before commencing production. Miguel Santana, the City of Los Angeles' city administrative officer, earlier this week submitted a report that seeks to amend the city's own Safer Sex in the Adult Film Industry Ordinance, approved by council and signed into law in January 2012 by Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, because of conflicting requirements and enforcement procedures included in the city and county ordinances. more at the link above Click to expand I hear porn people singing "My Heart Just Moved to San Francisco" right now as they drive their U-Hauls full of their worldly belongings to their new homes in San Francisco, Marin and Alameda counties. Seriously, LA will wish they hadn't cooperated with Weinfuck on this one when they lose a substantial portion of their tax revenue. [Link]
InFamous Deactivated User 1051 Posts 2/12	Posted - Jan 17 2013 : 10:18PM ^ Well LA lost two NFL team (rumor that the Rams, Raiders or Charger moving to LA in 2014), and now porn will leave too. [Link]
Cody McLarge Senior Member 2668 Posts 8/10	Posted - Jan 17 2013 : 10:19PM Why not Vegas? [Link]
Geri Member 329 Posts 7/12	Posted - Jan 18 2013 : 9:31AM ^^^^ Some will think San Francisco it is a better bet because it's still in California and it's established in law that it's legal to make pornography in California. Others will prefer Vegas/Nevada because it's closer to LA and a more cost effective place to work. Also, anyone who really knows this business knows you're highly unlikely to get busted for making porn (as long as it's 18 U.S.C. 2257 compliant) in Nevada, even if it's technically not lawful to do so. The reality is that there is already a large amount of porn being produced in SF & Vegas/Nevada. And, unless Measure B is overturned in court, by the end of the year far more porn will be being produced in SF & Vegas/Nevada than in LA county. Edited by - Geri on 1/18/2013 9:32:22 AM [Link]