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| gouman Deactivated User I'm a sociopathic financial economist with a foot fetish. 30 Posts 8/09 |  Posted - Aug 13 2010 : 7:58AMIt all started after I watched the Gina Lynn Facial Abuse scene, then it progressed to seeking out videos where chicks are deep throating literally until they gag and vomit (I do sometimes find the vomiting gross, but not always, it just depends)...anyway, now I'm regularly seeking similar content in addition to the usual footjob, foot worship, facial, and gonzo sex scenes, where the guy/girl sub/dom relationship is a more even. At first I felt kind of bad for enjoying it, well that's not true. I tried to convince myself that I felt bad. The truth is I like watching women get dominated and "abused" on video; it gets me off and makes me laugh sometimes too. I have yet to mimic the content in my sex life (although my girl is willing to try the extreme deep throat and vomit thing). I'm just wondering what the rest of the world thinks of the proliferation of such content. Sights are popping up left and right that serve this niche. It seems like there is no dearth of girls willing to do such scenes either. The scenes appear to be getting harder and harder too. Even, companies like Brazzer's have something to offer the niche. Is the "abuse", humiliation concept here to stay? Is it the wave of the future? Are guys like me sick for getting off on it? I suppose as long as the girls are willing to continue to subject themselves to such treatment, it doesn't violate censorship laws, and people are buying -- producers will keep producing. As for me, I will certainly keep watching.  [Link] |
| duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09 | Posted - Aug 13 2010 : 9:32AM This goes for ANY sexual fantasy. Pretending you are cheating on your SO is about as common and harmless a fantasy as there is, but if you feel the NEED to actually cheat to get off, you are in trouble. Rough sex fantasies are almost as common, but, likewise, if it's the ONLY fantasy that can get you off or you have to actually DO it to cum, you need to get help both for your own sake and that of your significant other.  [Link] |
| editorbb Member 363 Posts 7/10 | Posted - Aug 13 2010 : 2:12PM [Link] |
| GoodCharles Member 62 Posts 8/10 | Posted - Aug 13 2010 : 2:45PM [Link] |
| jezzard Member Is there anything more beautiful and erotic in the world than a woman licking another woman's anus? 51 Posts 12/09 | Posted - Aug 13 2010 : 3:17PM [Link] |
| duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09 | Posted - Aug 13 2010 : 3:21PM For one thing, much porn depends for its existence on the fact that very normal, very healthy and very sane people often are aroused by imagining taking part in sexual activities that would make them monstrous if they ever actually DID those things. Whether that porn eventually compels them to turn fantasy into actual practice has been debated literally for millenia, but there is as yet no conclusive proof that fantasies necessarily drive one to actually do what he imagines doing to get off. Edited by - duefuss on 8/13/2010 3:23:22 PM [Link] |
| Mr. Sausage Deactivated User 330 Posts 11/06 | Posted - Aug 13 2010 : 3:48PM I will also say that many of them that do really deserve it I wouldn't want to see nude. Joy Behar :vomit: Same thing with Whoopi and many others. One thing people need to do before they sign a contract with a company is, look at their videos and actually read or listen to what they want you to do for them. If you don't like it leave. It's your choice, and you will have to live with it for the rest of your life. Also, remember the video will still be around after you die. [Link] |
| Perverted_Jewish_Guy Deactivated User 207 Posts 4/10 | Posted - Aug 15 2010 : 9:18PM More abusive porn needs to be released. [Link] |
| charn fubar 2880 Posts 12/09 | Posted - Aug 15 2010 : 10:51PM When vomiting becomes a habit, it leads to some serious health problems, such as heart failure and death. [Link] |
| Perverted_Jewish_Guy Deactivated User 207 Posts 4/10 | Posted - Aug 15 2010 : 11:07PM [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Aug 16 2010 : 1:01AM [Link] |
BlackSix  All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Aug 16 2010 : 4:21AM I'd disagree that this is 'the wave of the future' or that 'sites are popping up left and right to serve this niche.' There has always been a market for this but if anything it is on the decline, I think you've just discovered it and are searching it out so you think it's growing, but in the late 90s/early 2000s this stuff was really booming and started showing up in regular gonzo porn. Since then there has been a steady decline in terms of quanity but in terms of quality things have improved a lot with the rough sex videos of Kink.com Belladonna, Mason and Jake Malone. I think these directors actually enjoy what they're doing and like to use performers who enjoy it too. But then I think most of these producers are more S/M oriented, 'abuse porn' is different, imho, and that may be more what you're talking about? [Link] |
| realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04 | Posted - Aug 16 2010 : 4:28AM However, it's really interesting that at the time when it was more available, porn was also reported to be a very lucrative industry. Indeed, this type of rough porn has since decreased in volume, but so have industry profits, according to the reports I've been hearing. I don't think this is merely a coincidence, and really doesn't support the statements of those who keep saying that this type of porn only has a marginal audience. [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Aug 16 2010 : 5:00AM [Link] |
| realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04 | Posted - Aug 16 2010 : 6:06AM [Link] |
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| duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09 | Posted - Aug 16 2010 : 9:55AM [Link] |
| duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09 | Posted - Aug 16 2010 : 9:57AM |
| gouman Deactivated User I'm a sociopathic financial economist with a foot fetish. 30 Posts 8/09 | Posted - Aug 16 2010 : 12:29PM With respect to what about "abuse" porn makes me laugh, it's a combination of the dialog, and occasionally the girls reactions to the treatment. For example, in the Gina Lynn Facial Abuse scene she clowns the guys by saying something like "In a club these guys wouldn't have a shot with me", then some hairy overweight guy comes and stuffs his cock in her mouth balls deep. To me that kind of shit is funny. Sometime the girls are just so stupid too. The directors often play off the girls stupidity by asking them questions that require a little thoughtfulness, or questions that are passive aggressive. Sometimes the girls responses are so stupid it's funny. In general, I think it's funny that women allow themselves to be subjected to such treatment for what, a grand or two. I mean I wouldn't let two chicks with treat me like shit, even in a sexual context for that kind of money. In sum, the fact that these girls are allowing themselves to be treated like shit, in a sexual context, for basically chump change -- and it's on record via video that is plastered all over the internet -- that's funny. Fucked up, but funny. [Link] |
| His Dudeness All Business Shut the fuck up, Donny!! 2793 Posts 4/10 | Posted - Aug 16 2010 : 3:02PM I must admit that I am guilty of enjoying these "abuse" scenes too. I'm sorry but even if the women are not fully aware of the acts that will be in the scene that they signed up for it's all good with me. In fact seeing them look shocked makes it even more enjoyable for me. I think that Gina Lynn scene was kinda weak by that sites standards. She should have been abused more.[Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Aug 16 2010 : 5:23PM [Link] |
| Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02 | Posted - Aug 16 2010 : 7:21PM That's not to suggest that porn is full of rocket scientists on a lark, but we are talking about a medium that is dedicated to fantasy; a medium where people are paid to perform on camera. Being stupid can be just as much of a performance as being an insatiable slut is. As for the 'women being abused' thing, I can enjoy some bondage and spanking where everybody is enjoying themselves. I have no interest when it devolves into degradation, mock or otherwise. [Link] |
| pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Aug 16 2010 : 9:36PM Now those sites should never be compared to Kink's stuff. Although you might say they both deal in abusive porn. I think the main difference is in the intent and how it's done. The stuff kink does is more on the side of extreme porn where you see a performer try to push herself further. In Facial abuse you get a guy that tries to push a girl beyond what she can take. As much as I was a big fan of Max earlier work. As much as I dislike is later stuff. The chocking, gagging and vomit inducing BJ's are just the tip of the iceberg. The number of gorgeous girls that performed in Max's video is hard to believe. How many couldn't deal with what happened during those shoots and soon left the porn biz? If anyone likes this kind of stuff then good luck finding a lot of new content. I for one won't miss it at all. [Link] |
| Cryogenix Member 84 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Aug 16 2010 : 10:03PM So, when I look at women in rough porn, I can relate to the blissful pleasure of their pain and it turns me on. Real abuse pisses me off and I'd kill anyone who smacked around a woman for real. Fantasy/consentual abuse (bondage/S&M) are beautiful things that more people should allow themselves to experience. [Link] |
| A-ten Deactivated User 581 Posts 8/07 | Posted - Aug 16 2010 : 10:25PM Even though they don't show it much, women were probably long-haired, hairy and primal as well. We wouldn't talk to them or court them. We'd just find one we liked, fight anyone that challenged us, physically dominated her, fucked her like an animal to spill our seed inside her hoping to breed, and then wandered off. And women probably enjoyed it and learned to understand their relationship to the male. Thus was the beginnings of male dominated society. It was based on the physical power of men and physical and sexual dominance was the first way males dominated women. When you see it in a porn film or get with a woman, you can still feel a bit of that primal dominance we've given up in the modern day. [Link] |
| ChodeMasterJ Perpetual Marxist 5405 Posts 4/03 | Posted - Aug 16 2010 : 11:54PM She'd let me bite the shit out of her too. I bit her inner thigh so hard one time that it bruised up really bad. Her dad asked her what happened one day when she was wearing shorts around the house and she had to make up some lame excuse about how she got it.  [Link] |
| CHI - BEAR 85 Deactivated User 225 Posts 9/08 | Posted - Aug 17 2010 : 4:00AM I totally agree with (thedude008) comment, if the women are not fully aware of the acts that will be in the scene that they signed up for it's all good. In fact seeing them look shocked makes it even more enjoyable. Usually people who don't like this kind of stuff are usually female viewers and sissy men who got no balls who act like girls. [Link] |
| CHI - BEAR 85 Deactivated User 225 Posts 9/08 | Posted - Aug 17 2010 : 4:15AM In America we act too damn soft, let's all grow up and act like adults and not be afraid to like what we want. Without someone criticizing us for likeing something that might be wrong. It's fuckin porn there's a not a damn thing wrong with it. [Link] |
| realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04 | Posted - Aug 17 2010 : 5:36AM [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Aug 17 2010 : 6:46AM My only stipulation would be that they would have to really enjoy it and it wouldn't just be for profit. There's no pleasure in it for a sub unless the top enjoys their work. Edited by - randomprecision on 8/17/2010 6:51:11 AM [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Aug 17 2010 : 8:50AM [Link] |
| Rubberhole Deactivated User 256 Posts 2/10 | Posted - Aug 17 2010 : 9:12AM [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Aug 17 2010 : 9:17AM At any rate, you've probably been waiting for most of your pathetic life to voice your opinion on people who like poop to someone who cares so carry on. I might even play along if you can get dramatic enough and convince me you're really serious.  Edited by - randomprecision on 8/17/2010 9:24:13 AM [Link] |
| the_mayor Member 233 Posts 6/09 | Posted - Aug 17 2010 : 10:38AM [Link] |
| HeyNow Oblivious Gold Star Hey! 5965 Posts 1/03 | Posted - Aug 17 2010 : 10:48AM [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Aug 17 2010 : 10:56AM [Link] |
| duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09 | Posted - Aug 17 2010 : 10:58AM But when the roughness becomes abusive to the point where the woman is clearly no longer aroused and enjoying it, then, I think, one is getting off on the abusiveness of rough sex rather than on its simulation of great passion. It may seem a fine line or no line at all to some, but it's very clear to me and I personally don't care to cross it. As I say, however, any "fantasy" is okay in consensual or vicarious sexual enjoyment. [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Aug 17 2010 : 11:07AM [Link] |
| duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09 | Posted - Aug 17 2010 : 11:34AM But in answer to your question, I never said what fantasies I had, or that I get off on EVERYTHING. Who does? What I DID say is that it is normal to have sexual fantasies and to be aroused by the imagination or depiction of doing something that you would NEVER do or even WANT to do actually. It is, conversely, equally possible to have sexual fantasies that you WOULD readily indulge in real life, given the opportunity. The imagination never has been restricted to either the realm of the possible OR that of the impossible. This is not MY opinion or conjecture. It's been documented since Kinsey. [Link] |
| Mr. Sausage Deactivated User 330 Posts 11/06 | Posted - Aug 17 2010 : 1:28PM He can't be taken seriously. He also did experiments with pedophiles and a NAZI pedophile. Go look that up. ;) [Link] |
| MonkeySpank Deactivated User 14 Posts 1/10 | Posted - Aug 17 2010 : 1:33PM [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Aug 17 2010 : 4:08PM Edited by - randomprecision on 8/17/2010 4:11:44 PM [Link] |
| duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09 | Posted - Aug 17 2010 : 5:12PM Not that it matters. If you did more than read to find something to disagree with you'd notice that I said "since Kinsey," meaning that the nature of sexual fantasies being not necessarily something the fantasizer would do or even want to do has been known since there's BEEN sex research (Kinsey's was the first attempt at a representative sample poll of American sexual practices, in 1948) and has been verified many times. Or are all clinical findings falsified? Oh, and what in the HELL does a Nazi pedophile have to do with ANYTHING? Edited by - duefuss on 8/17/2010 5:31:39 PM [Link] |
| Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Aug 17 2010 : 5:55PM [Link] |
| TwoHeadedBoy Member I will take you and leave you alone 46 Posts 2/10 | Posted - Aug 17 2010 : 7:26PM I'm pro-evolution, and yes, perhaps there was a time men simply took what they wanted by brute force. But is there something so wrong with rising above that by at least treating all women with the same respect you would show them in real life? I have zero problem with consensual rough sex. But getting enjoyment out of seeing women willfully deceived in to a rough and demeaning situation they weren't expecting is just sick. That level of detachment, fantasy or not, makes me glad to be one of the sissy men. [Link] |
| realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04 | Posted - Aug 17 2010 : 7:56PM [Link] |
| minbari Member 76 Posts 2/03 | Posted - Aug 17 2010 : 8:00PM [Link] |
| Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Aug 17 2010 : 8:02PM [Link] |
| realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04 | Posted - Aug 17 2010 : 8:14PM [Link] |
| Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Aug 17 2010 : 8:22PM Nobody tells the absolute truth about their inner "demons" (if you want to call them that). I was commenting on the specific attitudes of enjoying the suffering of women, and feeling that there's nothing wrong with that. I don't believe that all men feel this way. If you want to think that the men in my life really do feel this way, and simply don't tell me, you can. I don't believe it to be the case, and I'm sure there are men here who would be insulted that they are presumed to feel such misogyny simply because they are male. P.S. Just to be clear, I'm well aware of societally instituted misogyny, believe me. Edited by - Gore Gore Girl on 8/17/2010 8:25:39 PM [Link] |
| realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04 | Posted - Aug 17 2010 : 9:05PM It is true that men do lie around women, and they also lie around other men. Anyone who has ever spent more than five minutes in a men's locker room can attest to how frequently men lie when surrounded by other men. Women do likewise. Although both sexes tend to forsake honesty when dealing with members of the same and opposite genders, this does not negate the fact that men do still tend to express a more aggressive form of sexuality than women, despite what we see in porn that says otherwise. As for men being insulted at being labelled innate misogynists, I agree. I am not a misogynist. Thus, I think men would be equally offended at the suggestion that the entertainment of their own sexual fantasies, no matter how licentious, is somehow a symptom of misogyny. To this end, I think you also have partially misunderstood the issue: The active desire for sex and power is traditionally considered part of being male. This has nothing to do with misogyny, which has seemingly lost its meaning and been inaccurately transformed into a label to, if I may put it bluntly, emasculate men. Edited by - realtip on 8/17/2010 9:10:55 PM [Link] |
| Bob All-Star Member 5516 Posts 3/03 | Posted - Aug 17 2010 : 10:06PM It pays to bear these distinctions in mind. People who enjoy watching real human beings being really upset and not actually enjoying what they are doing or what is being done to them sexually -- those people need psychiatric care. --------- Edited by - bob on 8/17/2010 10:09:01 PM [Link] |
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