I don't want to steal porn (page 17)

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duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09	Posted - Apr 12 2010 : 10:55PM Perverted_Jewish_Guy wrote: hollywood woody wrote: I think we will spend the money to prosecute, and see how that rocks the piracy boat. Click to expand Good luck with that. If the music industry is having trouble fighting piracy, I have doubts that the porn industry will have much of a better chance. Click to expand For those of you who assume that nothing can or will be done about piracy and free unauthorized downloading, I would review this thread and current media business news very carefully. Currently, a great deal of attention is being paid to this problem, precisely because it IS affecting profits and, unlike the general economy, IS something that the porn business itself can do something about. I've no doubt that the girl who now must pay nearly $2 million in damages to the recording industry was once as complacent as you. If you suppose there is something this media industry can't do that the recording industry has done, think again. If you think they WON'T do it, read this thread again and all the assurances that piracy is intolerable from the people who make their living and support their families with what you are not only stealing from them but bragging about stealing. In fact, the music industry has been fairly aggresive in shutting down free music sites and prosecuting piracy. Ask the individuals who have been sued by them and lost everything "if the music industry is having trouble fighting piracy." That it hasn't erased the problem doesn't mean that it has failed or that it will stop trying. Likewise in all media industries, porn included, indicators are cited in this very thread that producers worldwide are taking serious legal and legislative steps to safeguard intellectual property, find and prosecute both uploaders of that property, sites that make it available for download, and YOU who download it. [Link]
Perverted_Jewish_Guy Deactivated User 207 Posts 4/10	Posted - Apr 12 2010 : 11:28PM duefuss wrote: Perverted_Jewish_Guy wrote: hollywood woody wrote: I think we will spend the money to prosecute, and see how that rocks the piracy boat. Click to expand Good luck with that. If the music industry is having trouble fighting piracy, I have doubts that the porn industry will have much of a better chance. Click to expand For those of you who assume that nothing can or will be done about piracy and free unauthorized downloading, I would review this thread and current media business news very carefully. Currently, a great deal of attention is being paid to this problem, precisely because it IS affecting profits and, unlike the general economy, IS something that the porn business itself can do something about. I've no doubt that the girl who now must pay nearly $2 million in damages to the recording industry was once as complacent as you. If you suppose there is something this media industry can't do that the recording industry has done, think again. If you think they WON'T do it, read this thread again and all the assurances that piracy is intolerable from the people who make their living and support their families with what you are not only stealing from them but bragging about stealing. In fact, the music industry has been fairly aggresive in shutting down free music sites and prosecuting piracy. Ask the individuals who have been sued by them and lost everything "if the music industry is having trouble fighting piracy." That it hasn't erased the problem doesn't mean that it has failed or that it will stop trying. Likewise in all media industries, porn included, indicators are cited in this very thread that producers worldwide are taking serious legal and legislative steps to safeguard intellectual property, find and prosecute both uploaders of that property, sites that make it available for download, and YOU who download it. Click to expand I just want to make sure that you were directing this post at everyone in general because I never once stated that I download my porn illegally. With that said, you need to carefully read what I wrote because I never claimed that the recording industry can't do anything about it. I just said that at the moment, the music industry, etc. is not doing a good job of targeting piracy. Yes, there are people who are getting prosecuted but what made me laugh is that you act as if this is something new. The fact is that most uploaders/downloaders/web hosts are not facing the heavy consequences that a minority of people are. It is just unrealistic to think that everyone or even at least a significant amount of people are going to stop pirating because of what's happening to few people. With that said, a better attempt at stopping piracy would be to regulate the Internet. Comcast which is the largest cable company in the USA, just recently won a case in the US supreme court that would allow them to control what content their customers can view. Rumor has it that the purpose of this would be so that Comcast would block a lot of the file sharing hosts where a lot of pirating is done. If one of the biggest ISP companies would indeed take the lead in this, then I'm sure a lot of other ISP companies would follow. I'm just giving my 2 cents. Net neutrality is in my opinion a more effective deterrent than individually suing people. The RIAA certainly hasn't had much luck with the prosecutions. It's not going to scare people away from doing it. Not to mention, they've sued Limewire and The Pirate Bay years ago yet both of those file sharing platforms are still up and running. Edited by - Perverted_Jewish_Guy on 4/12/2010 11:34:23 PM [Link]
Perverted_Jewish_Guy Deactivated User 207 Posts 4/10	Posted - Apr 12 2010 : 11:31PM charn wrote: Maintaining a tube site seems like such a waste of time and money. If I like a video I want my own copy of it, instead of being dependent on a site where it may be deleted at any time. Click to expand Who would that be in your avatar? [Link]
Imaginative Deactivated User 158 Posts 5/05	Posted - Apr 13 2010 : 3:51AM duefuss wrote: For those of you who assume that nothing can or will be done about piracy and free unauthorized downloading, I would review this thread and current media business news very carefully. Click to expand It seems that you could do yourself a favor by more closely reviewing the data in this thread. While it may be fun for the industry to waste money prosecuting offenders and may even make a headline or two; I don't see how punishing one's best customers is going to help revenues. See the below poll from late last year. File Sharers Buy More Music Downloaders Poll Data More Data Woody demanded that I share this data with him, refuting it's existence until I provided it [on pp. 20], at which point he seems to have chosen to ignore it all together. Fighting piracy is actually very simple, Deufuss; offer content that is competitive or better than the pirated product, offer it at a reasonable price and in a convenient manner. While the record labels were screaming about the sky falling, Steve Jobs proved this by quietly setting up a very simple shop based on a simple concept. In turn, he has taken a 50% cut of ALL of the major labels profits. (Not to mention what he would do with apps a few years later.) Now the same thing is happening with mainstream movies and home video (where I have earned my living for the past 15 years). You can sit and debate right vs. wrong until you're blue in the face, but in the end you're avoiding the real issue, which is what is vs. what isn't. I predict that someone is going to come along--like Steve Jobs did--and figure it all out for the adult home video industry, and breathe some new life into it. (Or maybe it will be a combination of events, but there will be some BIG winners and some BIG losers.) Most will agree with you that piracy is theft and that it's wrong. I do. But it's here to stay in one fashion or another. It's simply a part of the new landscape. So while you try to clutch on to antiquated business models and prey for a return to the 90's heyday, stop and consider this for a moment: Less than 100 years ago, the ONLY way a person could listen to music was by being in the same room as a musician. The changes happening currently--across the board for ALL of popular culture--are every bit as significant as the ones which occurred just a few generations ago, at the dawn of the 20th Century. Here's another clue for you all: Today's pirates are spending a fortune on their "free" content. Between Rapidshare-type accounts, Usenet access, upgraded data plans, etc., today's porn pirate is actually paying more monthly on both their mainstream AND adult content than ever before. And yes, by spending more they are getting more... yes, a lot more. But they're still spending; they're just spending differently. Another thing that amazes me as an industry insider who has been fairly high up the corporate chain, is all the talk of these evil "downloaders." While this problem has been brewing for over a decade, I have never once heard anyone mention the uploaders. If you really* think prosecuting is the answer, (it isn't) shouldn't you be prosecuting the uploaders? A single upload can potentially reach millions of downloaders. [* The Walrus was Paul.] Edited by - imaginative on 4/13/2010 4:25:35 AM [Link]

BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Apr 13 2010 : 4:12AM The survey you linked to seems very iffy, one should always look at who is funding any poll and here it is a 'think tank' who "generate ideas to improve politics and policy, and give people more power over their lives. Our vision is a society of free and powerful citizens." A quick look at their site shows that they are on the internet libertarian axis and obviously have an idealogical axe to grind. And as one of your own links notes: "We see a few caveats here, the main one being that Interrs were simply asked whether they download content illegally or not: given that this would be admitting to a crime, that metric could be under-reported. Frankly, this self-reporting of illegal activity seems like a dubious measurement. The data doesn’t necessarily undermine the plans, either: 61% of illegal downloaders said they’d be dissuaded from downloading illegally if doing so resulted in being disconnected for one month." One dubious poll from an interested party isn't particularly convincing evidence, but on the internet one pseudo-story like this gets repeated over and over again until many accept it as some kind of fact. Edited by - BlackSix on 4/13/2010 4:14:58 AM [Link]
Imaginative Deactivated User 158 Posts 5/05	Posted - Apr 13 2010 : 4:17AM BlackSix wrote: The survey you linked to seems very iffy, one should always look at who is funding any poll... Click to expand Yes, I did consider this. But as a consumer and industry insider, it confirms what I had already noticed anecdotally for years, and is actually common sense when you stop to consider it objectively. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Apr 13 2010 : 4:19AM 'Common sense' and 'objectively' and 'anecdotal' are never ways to determine the truth of anything. [Link]
Zaer Deactivated User 249 Posts 10/07	Posted - Apr 13 2010 : 7:56AM Perverted_Jewish_Guy wrote: Good luck with that. If the music industry is having trouble fighting piracy, I have doubts that the porn industry will have much of a better chance. Click to expand Agreed. The MPAA and RIAA with much greater resources can't do much if anything about file sharing so it is exceedingly improbable the industry will fare any better. Imaginative wrote: Fighting piracy is actually very simple, Deufuss; offer content that is competitive or better than the pirated product, offer it at a reasonable price and in a convenient manner. While the record labels were screaming about the sky falling, Steve Jobs proved this by quietly setting up a very simple shop based on a simple concept. In turn, he has taken a 50% cut of ALL of the major labels profits. (Not to mention what he would do with apps a few years later.) Click to expand This is a much better plan than the current one they're employing. They merely need to give consumers access to their content at a reasonable price and make it easily accessable. Much like iTunes with music. [Link]
duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09	Posted - Apr 13 2010 : 12:42PM Imaginative wrote: Fighting piracy is actually very simple, Deufuss; offer content that is competitive or better than the pirated product, offer it at a reasonable price and in a convenient manner. Click to expand I know that you guys believe this particular wives' tale, and for you it may be so, but citing the quality of the product as the cause for stealing it and concluding that once the quality rises the stealing will greatly diminish is, among some impressively tortured logic in this thread, a real contender for the lead. First, "It's terrible. I don't like it. It's boring and and the picture's all blurry and shit, so that's why I download it." Does that sound as ridiculous to you as it does to me? Second, " when a producer makes something I really like and I see it for free on a tube or file sharing site, I'm still going to lay out my twenty or thirty bucks for an authorized download or DVD." Well, good for you, but keep it to yourself, because most of your friends are going to think you're the biggest fool they know. Quality doesn't cause stealing and it won't stop it. Easy to steal causes stealing and hard to steal is the only effective way to diminish it. My above post, directed at everybody, myself included, is only my own sense that we are about to see some radical new strategies used and major attention paid to piracy by the entertainment industries, including porn. It MAY be wishful thinking, because I believe dealing with the problem can only mean more and better product, but I don't think it is. We'll see. [Link]
hollywood woody Senior Member Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07	Posted - Apr 13 2010 : 1:07PM Imaginative: I read your reports, which come from the UK, it said nothing about US sales. Also all three of the reports are about music. I spend more money on itunes than they claim, and I don't download "free" stuff. I think the reports are wrong. Where do they get those statistics? It doesn't make any sense. If someone is getting stuff for free, why would they buy and pay money for the same thing. Also, apples and oranges, music and video is not the same. Porn is a different animal altogether. You have 15, 16, 17, year olds getting free porn off these sites. They can't buy. You have 18 to 21 year olds that have no money to buy. We have been using Removeyourcontent for awhile, they have recorded IP address of the biggest offenders. It will take very little, to target those people. [Link]
duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09	Posted - Apr 13 2010 : 1:24PM @ HW You have 15, 16, 17, year olds getting free porn off these sites. They can't buy. Click to expand That fact alone would scare the Hell out of me if I were in this business. IT could turn the existence of the whole business into a child protection issue. Opponents of porn could potentially shut it down and make it a felony without once having to deal with thorny questions about obscenity or flagrant violations of rights and privacy. Forget debates about of profit and loss. That fact alone should render free downloading particularly intolerable to porn producers and porn lovers alke. [Link]
Imaginative Deactivated User 158 Posts 5/05	Posted - Apr 13 2010 : 1:57PM duefuss wrote: I know that you guys believe this particular wives' tale, and for you it may be so, but citing the quality of the product as the cause for stealing it and concluding that once the quality rises the stealing will greatly diminish is, among some impressively tortured logic in this thread, a real contender for the lead. Click to expand You're missing the point completely, and ignored the most important points of my last post. I am not talking about the QUALITY of the scenes themselves; I'm referring to the value offered by the current quality. Case in point; you see mainstream home video offering digital copy/Blu-ray bundles of their biggest titles. Is the adult industry doing this. No. Therefore, in this digital age with so many people watching their content on multiple devices and media servers, the pirated, DRM-free version is superior to the the same exact scene being sold on DVD. It takes a paying DVD customer more time and effort to rip the scenes from the DVD they bought for they own consumption (i.e. media servers, portable devices), than it does to download (and even edit, if needed) that same scene illegally for the same purpose of private consumption. In other words, I can BUY the latest title title, let's say, ("Batman: A Parody," for Woody's sake) take it home and decide that the only scene I know I'll be watching over and over is Tori Black. Therefore, I want to put that scene on my media server and portable devices (show my friends how cool this new release is; that's a GOOD thing, right?). It is quicker and easier for me to download that scene, than it is to get up out of my chair and rip the scene from my purchased disc for my private consumption. That's a broken business model, Woody. Another case in point; currently if a Bobbi Starr fan wants to see or own her latest scene, the consumer is FORCED to buy four additional scenes, regardless of whether they interest that fan or not. To that consumer, they are paying $20+ for a single scene! Again the pirated version wins in the convenience factor. As I said in an earlier post, porn shares more in common with music than mainstream movies. Like music, porn is broken into bite-sized chunks, in this case being appox. 20-30 minutes per chunk. Therefore the VALUE of that scene, even in the currently broken and antiquated business model, is roughly $3-$4 per scene. Where can I get the latest Bobbi Starr scene for $3-$4 legally in a way that can easily move between all of my devices? One of the biggest problems with the current legal product, is that a paying customer is given 5 scenes to get off, before he has to get up off the couch, wipe the lube off his hand and put in another disc. In this day of age, this is like putting money in the jerk-off meter. I disagree with some of the sentiments on this board that the quality of the scenes being shot is poor. On the contrary, the best porn being shot today is 1000% times better than the any of the stuff I grew up watching. I sometimes can't believe how amazing the stuff is, coming out of a few studios in particular. It's getting frustrating that I am sitting here taking my time to HELP the members of the adult industry, and having all of the important evidence ignored. hollywood woody wrote: It doesn't make any sense. If someone is getting stuff for free, why would they buy and pay money for the same thing. Also, apples and oranges, music and video is not the same. Porn is a different animal altogether. Click to expand Woody, quite frankly it doesn't make sense to you because you are probably over 40 and not in touch with the spending habits of your demographics. As I said above, today's pirates are spending a "larger percentage of wallet" than consumers ever have to get their content. You have 15, 16, 17, year olds getting free porn off these sites. They can't buy. You have 18 to 21 year olds that have no money to buy. Click to expand So no money lost there. The industry should see this as a marketing opportunity and loss-leader to teach future consumers where to get the best product; theirs. We have been using Removeyourcontent for awhile, they have recorded IP address of the biggest offenders. It will take very little, to target those people. Click to expand Again, showing your age, stubbornness and disrespect for your paying customers. The Pandora's Box is open, and it will never be closed again. As soon as you close one gate another opens. Once the content is digital, it moves around freely and with no loss in quality. I am TRYING to help you, Woody. Why can't you open up your mind and see what is going on? In the mainstream home entertainment community, I've sat in boardroom meetings with Senior Executives "brainstorming" how to fight piracy. Every time I've asked the question, "Does anyone here know exactly how to download Avatar day in date with the DVD release?" I am met with blank stares. That is how out of touch these executives are with the problem. They want to fight piracy, but are too busy in their ivory towers to take the time to see how it's being done, as if it has NOTHING to do with the problem at hand. "It doesn't matter HOW it's being done," they imply with their ignorance, "it only matters THAT it's being done." Or Dylan said it best, "Something is happening here, but you don't know what it is. Do you, Mr. Jones?" Edited by - imaginative on 4/13/2010 4:25:49 PM [Link]
duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09	Posted - Apr 13 2010 : 3:02PM I note your specific examples and agree that my post does not address these instances. Nevertheless, I would suggest to you that your particular 'demographic' is not as large as you suppose, and I continue to say that the easily demonstrable proliferation of free porn would not be at all significantly diminished by improved technical quality, production values or entertainment values of porn. [Link]
charn fubar 2880 Posts 12/09	Posted - Apr 13 2010 : 3:53PM Perverted_Jewish_Guy wrote: Click to expand Who would that be in your avatar? Click to expand That is Bailey from baileysroom.com. She apparently did only pics and stopped several years ago. A more on topic example is Busty Winter, who stopped updating one or two years ago after expressing some frustration with seeing her updates posted on free sites. Besides her own site, she also did some youtube videos about cramming a purseload of stuff in her bra. [Link]

ninja1 Senior Member 2939 Posts 1/08	Posted - Apr 13 2010 : 4:09PM charn wrote: A more on topic example is Busty Winter, who stopped updating one or two years ago after expressing some frustration with seeing her updates posted on free sites. Besides her own site, she also did some youtube videos about cramming a purseload of stuff in her bra. Click to expand This is a problem for the DIY amateurs out there. Usually you will see them give up in frustration or take a no-nonsense super-vigilant approach. There are a couple of BBW amateurs I follow, whom I have NEVER seen any free pics of them on any board, unless personally posted by the girl herself. They must be prowling the internet 24/7. Makes me wonder if a solo person can do it, why can't a big porn studio with numerous employees? [Link]
AsianAnalPantyhoserGuy Deactivated User Ass fucking/ foot fetish/ pantyhose= insanity! 465 Posts 3/10	Posted - Apr 13 2010 : 4:15PM I still can't find anything worth stealing besides assteenmouth.com. I gave my money to exploitedteensasia.com and asianappleseed.com and I am absolutely unwilling to support these uber-dweebs any further. [Link]
Imaginative Deactivated User 158 Posts 5/05	Posted - Apr 13 2010 : 4:39PM I am currently developing technology which not only takes adult entertainment to the next level of interactivity, but can offer something on-disc that has true value and is not easily pirated. Hollywood Woody or anyone else in the industry who is truly interested in a presentation regarding this technology and a ground-floor opportunity, should email me at dvd.jaxon at yahoo. Because of my current affiliation with the mainstream entertainment community, I cannot share my personal info on this board. Suffice it to say that I am a Blu-ray pioneer (whose achievements contributed to the winning of the HD format war), and Marketing Director from one of the major mainstream film studios. Offline, I will be happy to share my personal info, professional background and qualifications. [Link]
hollywood woody Senior Member Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07	Posted - Apr 13 2010 : 5:38PM duefuss wrote: @ HW You have 15, 16, 17, year olds getting free porn off these sites. They can't buy. Click to expand That fact alone would scare the Hell out of me if I were in this business. IT could turn the existence of the whole business into a child protection issue. Opponents of porn could potentially shut it down and make it a felony without once having to deal with thorny questions about obscenity or flagrant violations of rights and privacy. Forget debates about of profit and loss. That fact alone should render free downloading particularly intolerable to porn producers and porn lovers alke. Click to expand it is so true, what do you have to do, just click I am over 21 years old. No verification, nothing. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Apr 13 2010 : 5:40PM AsianAnalPantyhoserGuy wrote: I still can't find anything worth stealing besides assteenmouth.com. Click to expand You're the guy who think that there is a porn conspiracy to turn us all into pedos and your favourite site is called assteenmouth.com? [Link]
hollywood woody Senior Member Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07	Posted - Apr 13 2010 : 5:54PM Imaginative wrote: duefuss wrote: I know that you guys believe this particular wives' tale, and for you it may be so, but citing the quality of the product as the cause for stealing it and concluding that once the quality rises the stealing will greatly diminish is, among some impressively tortured logic in this thread, a real contender for the lead. Click to expand You're missing the point completely, and ignored the most important points of my last post. I am not talking about the QUALITY of the scenes themselves; I'm referring to the value offered by the current quality. Case in point; you see mainstream home video offering digital copy/Blu-ray bundles of their biggest titles. Is the adult industry doing this. No. Therefore, in this digital age with so many people watching their content on multiple devices and media servers, the pirated, DRM-free version is superior to the the same exact scene being sold on DVD. We don't have a theatrical release number one. Number 2 we are missing the 18 and under crowd that mainstream enjoys. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It takes a paying DVD customer more time and effort to rip the scenes from the DVD they bought for they own consumption (i.e. media servers, portable devices), than it does to download (and even edit, if needed) that same scene illegally for the same purpose of private consumption. In other words, I can BUY the latest title title, let's say, ("Batman: A Parody," for Woody's sake) take it home and decide that the only scene I know I'll be watching over and over is Tori Black. Therefore, I want to put that scene on my media server and portable devices (show my friends how cool this new release is; that's a GOOD thing, right?). It is quicker and easier for me to download that scene, than it is to get up out of my chair and rip the scene from my purchased disc for my private consumption. That's a broken business model, Woody. Well, just for sake of argument, you buy Batman, do I really want you ripping scenes to show to your friends? Not really. As for downloading that scene, we will do our best to keep it off the sites. That is why we pay RYC, so far they are doing a pretty good job. I went surfing yesterday and couldn't really find any Vivid product. I think that is why I sold a huge amount of DMJ The Resurrection. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another case in point; currently if a Bobbi Starr fan wants to see or own her latest scene, the consumer is FORCED to buy four additional scenes, regardless of whether they interest that fan or not. To that consumer, they are paying $20+ for a single scene! Again the pirated version wins in the convenience factor. As I said in an earlier post, porn shares more in common with music than mainstream movies. Like music, porn is broken into bite-sized chunks, in this case being appox. 20-30 minutes per chunk. Therefore the VALUE of that scene, even in the currently broken and antiquated business model, is roughly $3-$4 per scene. Where can I get the latest Bobbi Starr scene for $3-$4 legally in a way that can easily move between all of my devices? One of the biggest problems with the current legal product, is that a paying customer is given 5 scenes to get off, before he has to get up off the couch, wipe the lube off his hand and put in another disc. In this day of age, this is like putting money in the jerk-off meter. The truth of the matter is that out of those 5 scenes, when someone gets a new porno they watch it until they cum, usually within the first 7 minutes. They stop it and watch again when they feel like jerking off. The hotel numbers prove this, someone rents a movie and it is watched between 4 and 7 minutes. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I disagree with some of the sentiments on this board that the quality of the scenes being shot is poor. On the contrary, the best porn being shot today is 1000% times better than the any of the stuff I grew up watching. I sometimes can't believe how amazing the stuff is, coming out of a few studios in particular. That is for sure the truth. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's getting frustrating that I am sitting here taking my time to HELP the members of the adult industry, and having all of the important evidence ignored. hollywood woody wrote: It doesn't make any sense. If someone is getting stuff for free, why would they buy and pay money for the same thing. Also, apples and oranges, music and video is not the same. Porn is a different animal altogether. Click to expand Woody, quite frankly it doesn't make sense to you because you are probably over 40 and not in touch with the spending habits of your demographics. As I said above, today's pirates are spending a "larger percentage of wallet" than consumers ever have to get their content. You have 15, 16, 17, year olds getting free porn off these sites. They can't buy. You have 18 to 21 year olds that have no money to buy. Click to expand So no money lost there. The industry should see this as a marketing opportunity and loss-leader to teach future consumers where to get the best product; theirs. We have been using Removeyourcontent for awhile, they have recorded IP address of the biggest offenders. It will take very little, to target those people. Click to expand Again, showing your age, stubbornness and disrespect for your paying customers. The Pandora's Box is open, and it will never be closed again. As soon as you close one gate another opens. Once the content is digital, it moves around freely and with no loss in quality. I am TRYING to help you, Woody. Why can't you open up your mind and see what is going on? In the mainstream home entertainment community, I've sat in boardroom meetings with Senior Executives "brainstorming" how to fight piracy. Every time I've asked the question, "Does anyone here know exactly how to download Avatar day in date with the DVD release?" I am met with blank stares. That is how out of touch these executives are with the problem. They want to fight piracy, but are too busy in their ivory towers to take the time to see how it's being done, as if it has NOTHING to do with the problem at hand. "It doesn't matter HOW it's being done," they imply with their ignorance, "it only matters THAT it's being done." Or Dylan said it best, "Something is happening here, but you don't know what it is. Do you, Mr. Jones?" I agree they should know how it's being done, but they are looking at the end result, which is that it is being done. So I agree with them. They want the answer how to stop it from being done. It is up to you young whippersnappers to come up with that. I am over 40 and I really know how to sell dvds, I am not a computer guy, but I have computer guys, that is their job. 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MantraMotion Deactivated User ''Max, they're like the women out of Playboy magazine, only they can move their arms and legs!'' 10 Posts 4/10	Posted - Apr 13 2010 : 8:22PM hollywood woody wrote: That is why we pay RYC, so far they are doing a pretty good job. I went surfing yesterday and couldn't really find any Vivid product. I think that is why I sold a huge amount of DMJ The Resurrection. Click to expand Not sure where you are looking, Woody. Not that I'm into Vivid product (or downloading illegally for that matter), but your claim peeked my interest so I did a quick search in the networks I know of. I see the following titles are available for immediate download. If I chose to, I could begin watching any one of these in about 15-20 minutes for free on any given one of my televisions. Squeeze Expert Guide To Advanced Fellatio Stroke It Nikki's House Sunny's Big Adventure Make Me Cum All Dressed Up Morphine Tristan Taormino's Rough Sex Meggan's Sexy Stories Brand New Faces 22 Virtual Vivid Girl: Sunrise Adams Dreams Of Sunrise Briana Extreme Excuse me if these are not all Vivid titles; I didn't take the time to double-check. Note that I'm only listing the first page of search results. You're correct that DMJ: Resurrection is not up, but I suspect that is because it only streeted yesterday. Seems to me this RYC is doing very little. Edited by - MantraMotion on 4/14/2010 6:23:11 AM [Link]
qz3fwd Member 141 Posts 1/06	Posted - Apr 13 2010 : 10:50PM Woody-you should listen to what imaginative is telling you. I know of many others, myself including, who place higher value on the illegitimate content which is readily available with just a couple clicks, where I can get just the scenes I want, instead of being forced to buy an entire disc with 4-5 scenes where only 1 or maybe 2 are good and the rest filler (Jay Sinn excluded-he puts out outstanding titles). What happened with CD's will happen to porn. Forcing consumers to buy an overpriced CD album, when they only want 1 or 2 songs is the road to bankruptcy. CDs are going the way of the dodo bird. Have you been into a BestBuy recently and noticed how tiny the CD section is compared to 5 years ago. Once again content owners (yourself) stick their heads in the sand to protect yesterdays business model, instead of innovating and adapting business models which allow them to prosper today and in the future. Sad when you are being helped, but don't want help. What happened when VCR's came to market? Content went crying the sky is falling and people will just record movies on TV and stop going to the movies and/or timeshift and skip advertisements-they tried to outlaw VCR's. The VCR threatened their business model. What did the VCR actually do? It created the home video market which lead to the DVD market which you today live off of DVD sales. The irony. The market is changing, you need to recognize this and adapt, which you don't seem to want to do. [Link]
ChodeMasterJ Perpetual Marxist 5405 Posts 4/03	Posted - Apr 13 2010 : 11:31PM There needs to be a serious 'How To Quote' FAQ on here.....this thread is testament to that. [Link]
MantraMotion Deactivated User ''Max, they're like the women out of Playboy magazine, only they can move their arms and legs!'' 10 Posts 4/10	Posted - Apr 14 2010 : 6:40AM hollywood woody wrote: Well, just for sake of argument, you buy Batman, do I really want you ripping scenes to show to your friends? Not really. Click to expand Just so I understand this correctly; you're in SALES and you don't want free advertising? I find this very odd behaviour, especially in a release like Batman, which has potential to reach the non-traditional Vivid consumer or better yet, a brand new porn consumer. [Link]

duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09	Posted - Apr 14 2010 : 8:31AM MantraMotion wrote: hollywood woody wrote: Well, just for sake of argument, you buy Batman, do I really want you ripping scenes to show to your friends? Not really. Click to expand Just so I understand this correctly; you're in SALES and you don't want free advertising? I find this very odd behaviour, especially in a release like Batman, which has potential to reach the non-traditional Vivid consumer or better yet, a brand new porn consumer. Click to expand Advertising is that which calls attention to a product and persuades one to buy it. It is NOT that which makes it unnecessary to buy the product. Letting friends have copies , even of just the "juicy parts" does not induce sales, it prevents them. In college, kids bummed cigarettes from those that had them SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO BUY THEIR OWN, not, so they couls select the brand to purchase. Your friens would go out and buy what you've already given them? Right. [Link]
MantraMotion Deactivated User ''Max, they're like the women out of Playboy magazine, only they can move their arms and legs!'' 10 Posts 4/10	Posted - Apr 14 2010 : 12:25PM duefuss wrote: MantraMotion wrote: hollywood woody wrote: Well, just for sake of argument, you buy Batman, do I really want you ripping scenes to show to your friends? Not really. Click to expand Just so I understand this correctly; you're in SALES and you don't want free advertising? I find this very odd behaviour, especially in a release like Batman, which has potential to reach the non-traditional Vivid consumer or better yet, a brand new porn consumer. Click to expand Advertising is that which calls attention to a product and persuades one to buy it. It is NOT that which makes it unnecessary to buy the product. Letting friends have copies , even of just the "juicy parts" does not induce sales, it prevents them. In college, kids bummed cigarettes from those that had them SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO BUY THEIR OWN, not, so they couls select the brand to purchase. Your friens would go out and buy what you've already given them? Right. Click to expand I said "show" your friends, not give them a copy. [Link]
hollywood woody Senior Member Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07	Posted - Apr 14 2010 : 1:40PM MantraMotion wrote: hollywood woody wrote: That is why we pay RYC, so far they are doing a pretty good job. I went surfing yesterday and couldn't really find any Vivid product. I think that is why I sold a huge amount of DMJ The Resurrection. Click to expand Not sure where you are looking, Woody. Not that I'm into Vivid product (or downloading illegally for that matter), but your claim peeked my interest so I did a quick search in the networks I know of. I see the following titles are available for immediate download. If I chose to, I could begin watching any one of these in about 15-20 minutes for free on any given one of my televisions. Squeeze Expert Guide To Advanced Fellatio Stroke It Nikki's House Sunny's Big Adventure Make Me Cum All Dressed Up Morphine Tristan Taormino's Rough Sex Meggan's Sexy Stories Brand New Faces 22 Virtual Vivid Girl: Sunrise Adams Dreams Of Sunrise Briana Extreme Excuse me if these are not all Vivid titles; I didn't take the time to double-check. Note that I'm only listing the first page of search results. You're correct that DMJ: Resurrection is not up, but I suspect that is because it only streeted yesterday. Seems to me this RYC is doing very little. Edited by - MantraMotion on 4/14/2010 6:23:11 AM Click to expand What sites were these on? I guess I could search, but if you want to be a good guy. [Link]
hollywood woody Senior Member Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07	Posted - Apr 14 2010 : 1:46PM MantraMotion wrote: duefuss wrote: MantraMotion wrote: hollywood woody wrote: Well, just for sake of argument, you buy Batman, do I really want you ripping scenes to show to your friends? Not really. Click to expand Just so I understand this correctly; you're in SALES and you don't want free advertising? I find this very odd behaviour, especially in a release like Batman, which has potential to reach the non-traditional Vivid consumer or better yet, a brand new porn consumer. Click to expand Advertising is that which calls attention to a product and persuades one to buy it. It is NOT that which makes it unnecessary to buy the product. Letting friends have copies , even of just the "juicy parts" does not induce sales, it prevents them. In college, kids bummed cigarettes from those that had them SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO BUY THEIR OWN, not, so they couls select the brand to purchase. Your friens would go out and buy what you've already given them? Right. Click to expand I said "show" your friends, not give them a copy. Click to expand Right, but I have to agree with duefuss, which you avoided to answer. How is giving product away advertising? [Link]
hollywood woody Senior Member Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07	Posted - Apr 14 2010 : 1:48PM qz3fwd wrote: Woody-you should listen to what imaginative is telling you. I know of many others, myself including, who place higher value on the illegitimate content which is readily available with just a couple clicks, where I can get just the scenes I want, instead of being forced to buy an entire disc with 4-5 scenes where only 1 or maybe 2 are good and the rest filler (Jay Sinn excluded-he puts out outstanding titles). What happened with CD's will happen to porn. Forcing consumers to buy an overpriced CD album, when they only want 1 or 2 songs is the road to bankruptcy. CDs are going the way of the dodo bird. Have you been into a BestBuy recently and noticed how tiny the CD section is compared to 5 years ago. Once again content owners (yourself) stick their heads in the sand to protect yesterdays business model, instead of innovating and adapting business models which allow them to prosper today and in the future. Sad when you are being helped, but don't want help. What happened when VCR's came to market? Content went crying the sky is falling and people will just record movies on TV and stop going to the movies and/or timeshift and skip advertisements-they tried to outlaw VCR's. The VCR threatened their business model. What did the VCR actually do? It created the home video market which lead to the DVD market which you today live off of DVD sales. The irony. The market is changing, you need to recognize this and adapt, which you don't seem to want to do. Click to expand I am actually in contact with Imaginative off this thread, so I am listening. My head isn't in the sand. I am all ears. Why don't you let me know how you think we should conduct business. [Link]
arkdvd Member 103 Posts 1/06	Posted - Apr 14 2010 : 1:59PM a couple notes: it's always amusing how thieves/apologists/sympathizers (in this thread and elsewhere) practice their art of sophistry: claim (a) "most downloaders weren't paying customers to begin with, so there isn't a lost sale" claim (b) "content producers shouldn't enforce their copyright or enter into litigation with consumers, because it will only piss off potential customers" to howard and those who produce content and pay a person/service to protect your IP: perform regular periodic QC on the results the person/service provides. volume results don't matter if the results are not ascending up the food chain. [Link]
arkdvd Member 103 Posts 1/06	Posted - Apr 14 2010 : 2:02PM hollywood woody wrote: qz3fwd wrote: Woody-you should listen to what imaginative is telling you. Click to expand shame on you howard. didn't you know a miraculous business model has been created that deters people from stealing content? i mean, who can't see that selling individual music tracks via download has ceased all music content theft worldwide? oh, it's too late for april fools? [Link]
hollywood woody Senior Member Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07	Posted - Apr 14 2010 : 2:19PM arkdvd wrote: hollywood woody wrote: qz3fwd wrote: Woody-you should listen to what imaginative is telling you. Click to expand shame on you howard. didn't you know a miraculous business model has been created that deters people from stealing content? i mean, who can't see that selling individual music tracks via download has ceased all music content theft worldwide? oh, it's too late for april fools? Click to expand exactly. i am waiting for someone to post the "new business model" we all should follow. I think it would go something like this: 1. produce content and give it to us for free, that way we can determine if we want to buy it. 2. stop wasting your time thinking about pursuing legal channels to stop theft. 3.Make scenes available that we want to buy, no sense really making movies. Just make scenes. I am waiting for the magic formula. I am a big consumer of clothing, I love clothes, but i don't think I could tell Affliction how to do business. What I may not like, others do like, what I like, others may hate. I think the key is to put out quality movies that appeal to a wide variety of people. That is what we have been doing. [Link]
melt Pornstar Diplomat The pride of Manchester 3763 Posts 1/09	Posted - Apr 23 2010 : 2:17PM [ invalid url ] [Link]
charn fubar 2880 Posts 12/09	Posted - Apr 23 2010 : 2:27PM ^I agree with most of that. I disagree on the point of including Ron Jeremy in that video. [Link]

duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09	Posted - Apr 23 2010 : 6:45PM charn wrote: ^I agree with most of that. I disagree on the point of including Ron Jeremy in that video. Click to expand Why? [Link]
hollywood woody Senior Member Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07	Posted - Apr 23 2010 : 7:12PM Ahhhhh, great we're back. That video actually speaks the truth. Too bad we can't run it on network TV. [Link]
UnkwnUsr2 Member 443 Posts 2/05	Posted - Apr 23 2010 : 7:40PM Copyright infringement isn't theft though, unless this is some sort of elaborate attempt at redefining a word. Stealing means taking something from someone, resulting in a loss of property on behalf of the victim. Calling copyright infringement stealing doesn't make it so, and trying to redefine stealing so as to include copyright infringement doesn't change a single thing about the facts. People pirate more content than they would ever pay for, the loss in revenue is far FAR less than the sum of pirated products. These sorts of publicity videos have no effect at all. People pirate because it's the easiest thing in the world, not because they are part of some violent international crime ring. Either way the best I see come out of this is some sort of ridicule. Nobody cares, and pirates care even less. Pirates don't want to be called thieves because that's bullshit, and they can smell it from a mile away. If they cared about the industry or the performers, they probably wouldn't be pirates in the first place. The performers and producers are largely interchangeable, a person's world isn't gonna collapse if a porn company goes out of business or a performer can't pay their rent. People aren't fans of porn performers or other industry people in that they're willing to buy t-shirts or branded wallets, they're fans in that they like jerking off to the material as long as it's free. Edited by - unkwnusr2 on 4/23/2010 7:56:10 PM [Link]
hollywood woody Senior Member Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07	Posted - Apr 23 2010 : 8:02PM UnkwnUsr2 wrote: Copyright infringement isn't theft though, unless this is some sort of elaborate attempt at redefining a word. Stealing means taking something from someone, resulting in a loss of property on behalf of the victim. Calling copyright infringement stealing doesn't make it so, and trying to redefine stealing so as to include copyright infringement doesn't change a single thing about the facts. People pirate more content than they would ever pay for, the loss in revenue is far FAR less than the sum of pirated products. These sorts of publicity videos have no effect at all. People pirate because it's the easiest thing in the world, not because they are part of some violent international crime ring. Either way the best I see come out of this is some sort of ridicule. Nobody cares, and pirates care even less. If they cared about the industry or the performers, they probably wouldn't be pirates in the first place. The performers and producers are largely interchangeable, a person's world is gonna collapse if a porn company goes out of business or a performer can't pay their rent. People aren't fans of porn performers or other industry people in that they're willing to buy t-shirts or branded wallets, they're fans in that they like jerking off to the material as long as it's free. Click to expand In short, any time someone uses the term "piracy" or "theft" in the context of online file sharing, please remind them to use the correct legal term: "copyright infringement." And that of course is the crux of today's issue. Just what are the boundaries of fair use? Someone has just bought a CD. Clearly, it's not right for them to manufacture and sell copies of the work. But it's clearly legitimate to copy it to another device (such as a tape, or a computer) for purposes of device-shifting. It's also legitimate to loan it to a friend. Where is the boundary between loaning it to a friend, who makes a copy so he or she can listen to it on another device, and copyright infringement? Is it OK if the person deletes the copy after they listen to it, and before they give it back? What if they just leave it on their hard disk and never listen to it again. What if they delete it but leave it in their computer's trash bin (so they still really have a copy)? Now imagine a CD that is commercially unavailable. Under the first sale doctrine, used works are still available, and all of the above can happen with absolutely no compensation to the artist. I could go on and on, creating more shades of grey. That is all it is, shades of grey. Ok, so it is copyright infringement, but it is still in fact taking something that is clearly not yours and not compensating the owner of the content. Easy to see why they would call that stealing, theft or piracy. We're in a period of great legal uncertainty, brought on by changes in technology. There was a time when it wasn't clear that it was legal to broadcast music over the radio; that was solved by compulsory licensing. Similarly, internet file sharing raises complex problems that we, as a society need to come to grips with. By Tim ORielly ^ Necessity is the mother of invention, at sometime in the near future a reliable DRM will be developed to stop the infringement. Then someone will break that and here we go again. The bottom line is if continues, at some stage of the game, the studios will no longer be able to afford making free content. Ever hear the saying, "there is no free lunch?" Edited by - hollywood woody on 4/23/2010 8:05:59 PM [Link]
duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09	Posted - Apr 23 2010 : 10:36PM UnkwnUsr2 wrote: These sorts of publicity videos have no effect at all. People pirate because it's the easiest thing in the world Click to expand I don't blame you for not looking at this whole thread, but the whole "copyright infringement isn't stealing" thing has been done and been refuted by the quotation of the copyright law itself which says in black and white that it IS stealing. Look it up or not if you want. These sorts of publicity videos may or may not have an effect, but you saying they don't means nothing. What that video DOES do, and very clearly, is serve notice that piracy and incompensated downloads MATTER to the porn industry and one may safely assume that they intend to do something about it. What they do, how effective it is, and who will be the losers by it remain to be seen, but the LAST thing I, for one would care to assume at this point is that they can or will do nothing. [Link]
UnkwnUsr2 Member 443 Posts 2/05	Posted - Apr 23 2010 : 11:07PM hollywood woody wrote: In short, any time someone uses the term "piracy" or "theft" in the context of online file sharing, please remind them to use the correct legal term: "copyright infringement." Easy to see why they would call that stealing, theft or piracy. Click to expand Yes, or no. I really don't care. My point is that it's just a short word for describing a more complex action. To me theft as a word implies that there is some sort of direct loss. But apparently this has already been disproved somehow so I will stop talking about it now. That is all it is, shades of grey. Ok, so it is copyright infringement, but it is still in fact taking something that is clearly not yours and not compensating the owner of the content. Click to expand That is true. I just think that whenever the industry sells a legit copy they are creating economic value from copying intellectual property and that copy has a monetary value because it's legit. If someone pirates a copy, that copy has no monetary value, no resell value. A stolen apple retains it's resell value while being in someone's possession illegally, but a pirated copy does not create value the same way a legit copy does. Necessity is the mother of invention, at sometime in the near future a reliable DRM will be developed to stop the infringement. Then someone will break that and here we go again. The bottom line is if continues, at some stage of the game, the studios will no longer be able to afford making free content. Ever hear the saying, "there is no free lunch?" Click to expand I'm not saying that piracy is somehow to be condoned, I just don't think that people care. At this point in time I feel there is so much porn to go around I could literally drown in twinkies if every porn scene I'd like was to be made into a twinkie and shipped to my house. I think plenty of people (pirates) would find it impossible to decide which porn to pay for if they wanted to, especially in the case of DVDs, since they're working from a limited amount of money but have adapted to unlimited amounts of porn. Of course there is VOD and whatnot, but even so most people don't have enough money to get all the porn they want. So eventually they will seek out ways to still get that content since their dick is hard. Pirating means less risk, there's no chance of buying something random because your dick is hard and then never seeing that scene again. Sometimes people just want a one-off and whether or not they pay or not has little to no effect on the quality of the entertainment (which is largely derived from their own body). These sorts of publicity videos may or may not have an effect, but you saying they don't means nothing. What that video DOES do, and very clearly, is serve notice that piracy and incompensated downloads MATTER to the porn industry and one may safely assume that they intend to do something about it. Click to expand Of course it matters to them, I just think no one else cares. I'm not in a position to come up with some magical business model to solve the problem of piracy but I think trying to tap into people's conscience is like throwing cotton balls to extinguish a fire. Paying for porn is the least of most people's problems, so unless guys come up with better incentives to pay for porn, nothing it gonna change. Many pirates are simply a dead target demographic. They will never pay for copyrighted content straight-up, they might pay for services. [Link]
mharris127 Senior Member 1844 Posts 8/09	Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 1:00AM Since this debate has gone on for four months now, I will attempt to make this clear. These are unassailable facts: 1. Making porn costs money. 2. In order for the talent to perform, 98 per cent of them want money. 3. Cameras, film stock, digital media, houses to film in all cost money. 4. The directors and producers that love making porn need money to live off of -- if porn doesn't pay them, they will go and do something else. 5. For internet companies, computers and bandwidth cost money. Therefore, without money there is almost no watchable porn. Stealing porn does not reimburse producers et. al. for these costs. Unless you really want grainy, no talent amateur porn in the future, PAY FOR YOUR DAMN PORN!!!!! DON'T STEAL PORN!!!!! Quality productions cost money, make your contribution and enjoy it. Again, PAY FOR YOUR DAMN PORN!!!!! DON'T STEAL PORN!!!!! Hollywood Woody thanks you, Mike South thanks you and I thank you for doing the right thing (admittedly in advance). [Link]
Hands Free Deactivated User 6 Posts 4/10	Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 6:31AM hollywood woody wrote: Right, but I have to agree with duefuss, which you avoided to answer. How is giving product away advertising? Click to expand Okay, I see I've again been misunderstood, and never said anything about giving away free product. Let me be SUPER explicit as to the very real situation I was referring to. a.) Let's say a 20-Something Imaginative buys the latest Vivid release, Batman. He never bought a Vivid title, because he was preconditioned by his big brothers to think that their product is horrible, and can no way compete with his favorite titles from Elegant Angel, Evil Angel and New Sensations. (Although Vivid has changed much over the years, per Woody, Woody himself apparently has no marketing team to support his sales group to get the message out there that, "This isn't your father's Vivid," and needs to resort to offering free DVDs on this board to try to convince people that Vivid is now completely different, but I digress.) However, Imaginative buys Batman against his better judgment, because he HAS to see the stunning Tori Black in an authentic Julie Newmar Catwoman costume. (Not sure how Imag would know who Julie Newmar is, if he's indeed 20-something, but hang in there...!) b.) Imaginative is blown away by not just the scene, but the whole Batman movie. How could he have been so wrong about Vivid? When did they get this good? What else has be been missing out on? c.) The scene is so funny and hot and wonderful that Imag throws the scene on his iPhone. His friends who share is opinion about Vivid, aren't going to believe this one. d.) Now Imaginative is sitting with his friends in the park, smoking some of his favorite California Medicinal with his dear buddies. He whips out his phone, and says, "You guys want to see something really cool?" Now pay attention, because this is the important part. One of three things can happen. 1. Imag's friends all whip out their dicks, jerk off on to Imag's iPhone and say, "Thanks bud, I don't need to get the scene now." 2. Imag's friends ask him for a copy, and Imag says either says, "No problem, but I'll need to burn it for you when I get home because I have no way of transferring a 400MB scene to you here in the park from my iPhone. Maybe when I see you next week, if I remember, I'll have that copy for you," or if he's a Good Guy, he'll say, "Dude, I had to pay for it, so should you." 3. Imag's friends were so turned on by the scene, that they need to see it in the privacy of their own bedroom as soon as possible. They could wait and hope Imag gives them a free copy, but they want it now, so they go out to their retailer and pay a reasonable price for it, because we all know that when a man get's his mind set on something, he wants it right away. Okay, perhaps I drew it out in a little too much detail, but this very real-life situation is what I am referring to. I never once said anything about giving away free production. You made that up. duefuss wrote: In college, kids bummed cigarettes from those that had them SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO BUY THEIR OWN, not, so they couls select the brand to purchase. Click to expand Well, I gave away a lot of cigarettes in college, which made me have to go out and get more cigarettes more often, but this is all BESIDES THE POINT, as I never said anything about giving anything away. I said, "show his friends." hollywood woody wrote: What sites were these on? I guess I could search, but if you want to be a good guy. Click to expand Not a question of being a "good guy," but against forum rules to tell you where to download material illegally. With all the money you're paying your friends at RemoveYourContent, you should be able to pick up the phone and just ask them where I saw these, right? Let's just say today's internet "pirates" aren't using Google to find their content. hollywood woody wrote: Right, but I have to agree with duefuss, which you avoided to answer. How is giving product away advertising? Click to expand Again, I personally never said a thing about giving away free product. But that said, Woody, I have seen you several times in this thread and other threads offer to send strangers free DVDs to convince them that Vivid has changed. So you tell me, Woody, how is giving away free product advertising? arkdvd wrote: it's always amusing how thieves/apologists/sympathizers (in this thread and elsewhere) practice their art of sophistry. Click to expand And it's interesting to me that anyone who has a different approach to FACING the problem of piracy is in your eyes a "thief/apologist/sympathizer." arkdvd also wrote: claim (a) "most downloaders weren't paying customers to begin with, so there isn't a lost sale" claim (b) "content producers shouldn't enforce their copyright or enter into litigation with consumers, because it will only piss off potential customers" to howard and those who produce content and pay a person/service to protect your IP: perform regular periodic QC on the results the person/service provides. volume results don't matter if the results are not ascending up the food chain. Click to expand If you were listening, people like Imaginative and myself, aren't condoning or defending piracy. "We" are simply saying that it is here, and it is obviously here to stay. The world has changed, and you can either adapt/evolve to the new reality or fight it and become extinct in the process. Do you really think you're going to put millions of people behind bars and magically return to 1995? Does that sound like a logical response to the problem to you? The mainstream movie and music business can't even do this and the government likes THEM! arkdvd wrote: shame on you howard. didn't you know a miraculous business model has been created that deters people from stealing content? i mean, who can't see that selling individual music tracks via download has ceased all music content theft worldwide? Click to expand hollywood woody wrote: i am waiting for someone to post the "new business model" we all should follow. Click to expand Imaginative laid out one very solid new business model on April 7, in this thread: Imaginative wrote: Are there any sites that offer DRM-free porn from the major studios at $3 to $4 a scene? People want to be able to follow the scenes of their favorite stars, without having to pay for 3 to 4 scenes of little interest every time. That is why the DVD model is broken. Because porn is obviously structured as individual scenes (for the most part), it is more akin to the music business that the film industry (i.e. no one is interested in stealing just the first 20 minutes of "Star Wars"). Porn needs an iTunes equivalent, where people can pay a reasonable price just for what they want. The industry has done nothing to provide honest consumers of porn what they want and deserve, a feasible and cost effective way of collecting virtually every sex scene of their favorite performers (or directors). I think everyone here agrees that it is VERY rare for a 5 sex-scene porn movie to provide 5 scenes of equal value to the consumer. If one of my favorite performers shares a DVD with four breast-enhanced women (something I completely avoid except for 1 or 2 rare exceptions of women who manage to be hot DESPITE what they did to their chest), is there anyway for me to LEGALLY obtain just that scene, day-and-date with the DVD (regardless of which studio it's from), for a reasonable price? As far as I know, there isn't. iTunes proves that people will pay for convenience and value. Click to expand Or in a word, iJerk! If the major studios were to organize and create a site where people could easily pay a reasonable price for the content they want to own, they absolutely would. As maginative said, Steve Jobs proved this! Does it end piracy? No. Did it create a brand new business model which arguably not only made up for all lost sales due to piracy, but breathed new life into an industry that was already suffering pre-Napster. ABSOLUTELY! Will it make the pirates disappear? No. Will it, if marketed and designed correctly, bring new customers into the porn fold who previously didn't exist? WITHOUT A DOUBT!! hollywood woody wrote: 2. stop wasting your time thinking about pursuing legal channels to stop theft. Click to expand More importantly, stop wasting your money when you could be putting that money into Research and Development to future-proof your business. Even you said, Woody, that you'll get the "biggest offenders." Don't you realize that these "biggest offenders," make up an infinitesimal portion of the problem, I'm talking .00001%. How does spending thousands of dollars fighting that .00001% improve your P&L? I thought you were in business to make money. Not to mention the real Big Boys of piracy are no where near United States soil. Again, I reiterate, the mainstream entertainment industry has had no success fighting piracy via legal channels, and the government cares about them. What makes you think you will fail better than mainstream entertainment, when the government doesn't care about your profits? hollywood woody wrote: Make scenes available that we want to buy, no sense really making movies. Just make scenes. Click to expand Um, YEAH! How many porn studios are even making "movies," at this point? 95% of the product out there is a DVD consisting of 4-6 scenes. You said it yourself in this post, the average consumer watches porn for 5-7 minutes. The music and mainstream movie business were both caught with their pants down because they got in the habit of selling shiny discs, completely losing sight of the fact that the CONTENT is where the value lies. [Link]
mharris127 Senior Member 1844 Posts 8/09	Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 8:30AM Hands Free wrote: Again, I personally never said a thing about giving away free product. But that said, Woody, I have seen you several times in this thread and other threads offer to send strangers free DVDs to convince them that Vivid has changed. So you tell me, Woody, how is giving away free product advertising? Click to expand Maybe that guy that Woody gives two or three DVD's to will think that the movies are great, write fantastic reviews for them right here on ADT (all of the people that Woody offered to give DVD's to but maybe one are reviewers) and then Vivid gets hundreds more sales. Pretty novel idea, huh? So great that Woody and Roads to Moscow are paid good money to promote like this. It works, too (even though the effect is somewhat muted due to piracy and the economy). I will admit, if Woody were standing on the street corner giving away Vivid DVD's (knowing that it is him and not some guy who copies DVD's illegally), I would take a couple. If the movie is good, I will tell people about it, too. That is how society works. It is finding that middle ground where the company can control the free copies to increase sales while not reducing profits from freeloaders that get their content from www.istoleyourmovieandfuckedyouintheass.com or whatever the site is. [Link]
Zaer Deactivated User 249 Posts 10/07	Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 12:46PM mharris127 wrote: I will admit, if Woody were standing on the street corner giving away Vivid DVD's, I would take a couple. Click to expand That's an interesting example and evidence of why one can't just say that every download is a lost sale, in fact many downloads aren't lost sales, because many people will simply accept a product that is being offered for free even if they didn't intend on buying the specific product. That's human nature. Hands Free wrote: Imaginative wrote: Are there any sites that offer DRM-free porn from the major studios at $3 to $4 a scene? People want to be able to follow the scenes of their favorite stars, without having to pay for 3 to 4 scenes of little interest every time. That is why the DVD model is broken. Because porn is obviously structured as individual scenes (for the most part), it is more akin to the music business that the film industry (i.e. no one is interested in stealing just the first 20 minutes of "Star Wars"). Porn needs an iTunes equivalent, where people can pay a reasonable price just for what they want. The industry has done nothing to provide honest consumers of porn what they want and deserve, a feasible and cost effective way of collecting virtually every sex scene of their favorite performers (or directors). I think everyone here agrees that it is VERY rare for a 5 sex-scene porn movie to provide 5 scenes of equal value to the consumer. If one of my favorite performers shares a DVD with four breast-enhanced women (something I completely avoid except for 1 or 2 rare exceptions of women who manage to be hot DESPITE what they did to their chest), is there anyway for me to LEGALLY obtain just that scene, day-and-date with the DVD (regardless of which studio it's from), for a reasonable price? As far as I know, there isn't. iTunes proves that people will pay for convenience and value. Click to expand Or in a word, iJerk! If the major studios were to organize and create a site where people could easily pay a reasonable price for the content they want to own, they absolutely would. As maginative said, Steve Jobs proved this! Does it end piracy? No. Did it create a brand new business model which arguably not only made up for all lost sales due to piracy, but breathed new life into an industry that was already suffering pre-Napster. ABSOLUTELY! Will it make the pirates disappear? No. Will it, if marketed and designed correctly, bring new customers into the porn fold who previously didn't exist? WITHOUT A DOUBT!! hollywood woody wrote: Make scenes available that we want to buy, no sense really making movies. Just make scenes. Click to expand Um, YEAH! How many porn studios are even making "movies," at this point? 95% of the product out there is a DVD consisting of 4-6 scenes. You said it yourself in this post, the average consumer watches porn for 5-7 minutes. The music and mainstream movie business were both caught with their pants down because they got in the habit of selling shiny discs, completely losing sight of the fact that the CONTENT is where the value lies. Click to expand I think the industry knows that moving towards an iTunes business model is best, there's just an unwillingness to do so, as there was for the music industry to begin with. [Link]
Roads To Moscow Dianic Wicked Pictures,Vouyer Media, Axel Braun Productions, Marc Dorcel, JoyBear Pictures, abbywinters.com 1390 Posts 7/05	Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 4:36PM [Link]
arkdvd Member 103 Posts 1/06	Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 8:26PM more laughable sophistry which has all been tested (for years) and proven to be false. example 1. checkpoint (zone alarm) and comodo have free software firewalls. but people are still stealing/downloading cracked versions of norton security. example 2. avg and avira have free anti-virus software. but people are still stealing cracked versions of kaspersky and eset. example 3. sun has free office suites (open office 3.2). but people are still stealing/downloading MS office. example 4. linux/ubuntu is a free robust operating system. but people are still stealing/downloading Windows 7. the lack of HIGH quality product is NOT an issue, piracy is. the price is NOT an issue, piracy is. Edited by - ARKDVD on 4/24/2010 8:27:07 PM [Link]
ChodeMasterJ Perpetual Marxist 5405 Posts 4/03	Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 9:55PM Roads To Moscow wrote: Click to expand Bahaha! I'm here for the lolcats. [Link]
qz3fwd Member 141 Posts 1/06	Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 11:58PM hollywood woody wrote: Ahhhhh, great we're back. That video actually speaks the truth. Too bad we can't run it on network TV. Click to expand From what I saw, you probably could run it on network or even terrestrial broadcast TV. I didn't see/hear any nudity or foul language, just industry performers/producers/directors making statements. However I doubt the industry would ever dare broadcast this on CBS/NBC/ABC/Fox/CW? [Link]
AsianAnalPantyhoserGuy Deactivated User Ass fucking/ foot fetish/ pantyhose= insanity! 465 Posts 3/10	Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 1:08AM Circa 1998, the porn industry is raking in the cash, Kobe Tai comes on the scene and delivers anal scenes that are fabulous. Vivid makes commercials talking about how everyone loves her feet, and she brags about how she wants to be ass-fucked. She was swept up by Vivid, only to do a bunch of token garbage with pitifully captured anal. Her performances weakened and she disappeared. Pretty well summed up. For the next 10 years, everyone in the "industry" gets in on the systematic mockery of foot fetish and pantyhose enthusiasts. It is standard operating procedure to film reverse cowgirl anal scenes while simultaneously eliminating sheer hosiery/foot fetish content by any means necessary. Even Max gets in on the mockery by removing one shoe and sock from his ladies during their performances. The money was flowing in, but the porn was becoming more and more predictable by the day. Pretty well summed up. European males flooded the American porn industry and the productions were filmed, edited, and produced by latent homosexuals and women on their payroll. I am not anti-gay, it is my honest assessment of how it really works. Ass to mouth opened the door to what it has become today. Looking at the subject matter of what is available at present, the industry needs to be burned to the ground. I hope something good will come from the ashes. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 3:27AM Edited by - BlackSix on 4/25/2010 3:32:58 AM [Link]