Yes Woody, check out the great movies Kevin has made since Waterworld. Well in essence you know those people are "producing" their filmns, but you really do NOT know how much of their own personal money they are putting in those productions. As I said, those projects come with guarantees. These stars don't go out on a limb. They also play with other people's moneys, they make agreements with distributors (domestic/foreign). You do your own research.
Excuse me, most talent make more than $35 an hour right now! Talent is usually working for about four hours on set, they are paid $400-$1000 for that four hours work. If they promote the movie, they receive a per diem for their work (say, signing autographs at the AEE). About the only thing working talent needs is health insurance and free VD testing, and they will have it soon thanks to Obama & Co. (the one thing Obama did reasonably well). Also, most talent works in porn because they enjoy it, it doesn't seem like work to them. Don't get me wrong, I loved teaching others and even credit union management, but it still seemed like work sometimes. Heck, if my penis worked right, I would work in porn. Dave Cummings is older than I am and Dick Nasty is about 60, so I guess age has little to do with it.
I don't know about Sandra Bullock, but when Jodie Foster had her production company, Polygram gave her a $100 million multi-year budget to cover office and production costs and in return they received a percentage of the gross. Jodie received the remainder to either re-invest into more movies or do what she wanted with (after taxes were paid, of course). It is too bad she isn't making movies, I liked Jodie Foster (and she was hot in her day).
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Posted - Apr 1 2010 : 7:01PM
Woody: Since when did people "like touching and looking, and showing off [the porn they] bought?" Oh, and how many record/CD stores are left in Los Angeles? I count one on my side of the hill. Maybe things have changed at Vivid; are there no condoms in any Vivid release? Are the majority of Vivid girls these days all-natural? Oh, and technically EVERYONE pays for content that they illegally download. They just don't pay YOU. :-) Me, personally? Let's just say I'll always opt for the side of convenience and don't mind paying a reasonable fee for it. Like I said, I have been a Preferred Member of X-Rent for years. My iTunes account shows I have spent over $600 at the iTunes store since I opened my account. As I said in my first post in this thread, polls show, "that people who download music illegally, also spend the most annually on music." So be careful who you criticize. Like it or not, the pirates are your best customers. Finally, Grand Ma likes DP and a ridiculous plot to go with it, and she likes 10 minutes of "acting" in between every sex scene. Yes, I'm done. Edited by - imaginative on 4/1/2010 7:32:42 PM
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Posted - Apr 1 2010 : 7:24PM
I am missing your point, who cares how much money they put into a movie? What does it have to do with illegal downloading? Except the fact if they are putting in their own money, and people are illegally downloading their movies, they are getting ripped off too. What guarantees do mainstream come with? If Avatar had bombed, james cameron would have lost his ass. He made a billion dollars, but he lost best picture.
Imaginative: this is not only shown in recent polls but has been a general fact for many years now. Its inherent to the generation that sort of grew up with comps and access to internet (me included) that those people are the ones who are the first in line to find out about new artists, music genres, movie directors, new movies etc that they otherwise wouldnt have known about. Once those people like that song that they “illegally” downloaded on some forum via rapidshare or whatever, research and polls show that they will most likely buy the whole album: not only for the music but also to support the artists, and of course for the cd booklet. Yes, I was also active on Napster back in the day ( and im pretty sure almost everyone here under 40), and Im not gonna say I never downloaded something back then, because I did, but I always, and I repeat always bought the album once I liked the songs on it because of the reasons mentioned above. Same goes for taping a movie on Tv on VHS or taping some cool songs in the 80s on cassette: I wonder what woody thinks about that practice….I’m sure he never did such horrible thing when he was a youngster. A large part has also to do with the fact that Im OLD SKOOL, I hate .mp3’s (dont own an ipod) and I dont like digital movie files AT ALL. I’m also not a fan of e-mail, cell phones, digital cameras ( tho all a neccissity nowadays) nor watching movies that I purchased on my computer. I grew up with cassette walkmans and discmans and VHS recorders and to a lesser extend 12” vinyl. I just want to watch VHS and (sex)DVD’s on my TV on my DAMN couch with my girl and listen to my original CD’s or vinyl in a cd player or on my technics 1200. Thats why I do NOT prefer to download stuff from the internet but rather have quality dvds especially bacause im fortunate enough to be able to afford it. Another complaint to all those so-called ”heroes” on ADT that never dowloaded nor taped a song from the radio on cassette; I think it is pretty lame that some of you are constantly ragging on people if they ask for an ID thereby giving a link to a tube site. This act does not say SHIT about them in regards of their honesty and intend to buy the original dvd once they’ve gotten an ID here on ADT!!!! Len801, Im glad that your still here on ADT, you’re one of the smartest people here with a great knowledge regarding vintage porn and incest themed porn, mostly (identical/twin) sisters. And you always seem to be spot on and on the same page as I am. Again, you interpreted my message correctly unlike others here. Im also glad you always know how to eloborate my thoughts. It is very difficult for me to formulate proper english sentences & use correct grammar and bring my thoughts to paper in english just like i would have done in my native language. English is like my fourth language, lol. Im always glad I can rely on you when Im not here to respond quckly.No "Woody", its not about winning or losing, sport. You have a very dominant personality that irritates lots of people here, especially those who dont have seas of time to read and reply your messages. 2 months ago I peeked at some topic of Len801 about (identical)(twin)sisters doing porn, and literally all endlessly long messages -about how perverted and sick sisterly love in porn is, and how the guys enjoy watching it or asking movie info about the subject sick puppies are- were from you. C’mon man. My bloodpressure already skyrocketed so I quickly went away from the adt web-site to only come back until today. I would really suggest you work harder at your little desk and make more hours and thus money in stead of being so much online here on ADT defending Vivid AND defending your holy thoughts about how you think things in porn should be or what people should not be enjoying. I love sister porn, so does len ( and a lot more than I do ;-) ) Deal with it. I mean, seriously, wouldnt it be nice to become a higher ranking vivid manager in the board of directors before you will get totally bald? If you would work on it, then you wouldnt have all this time to debate about the cons of pirating. Only small time, low ranking people have time for this nonsense. And if someone like Len801, me or other people give you a reply or write down some thoughts that dont seem to be on the same page like your tunnel vision thoughts, then you simply wont answer, nor care to read those peoples arguments and/or thoughts. Or you act childlish like your stupid avatar quote: if you can't laugh at yourself, make fun of other people. Very mature. Your always thinking for other people or interpret it in such a manner as it suits only your narrow minded hard up meaning. I really suggest to work a little bit harder for yor bosses so you can make some more money and be able to be a “player” in this world, and not some untraveled narrow minded no name with little or no culture nor understanding of the real world or politics in other non democratic countries. What you see on Fox is not always reality, you know. Travel across the globe, to poor countries and beautiful rich countries. Mix it up if you can ( if you social enough). I will guarentee, no more small mindiness on your part. Remember, sport, the world is not always black or white, there is also something called grey. So, Im sure the more traveled and cultured people here on ADT would not blame you for sometimes being so ignorant and narrow minded. I think they just thinky of you as the village nut, a guy not to be taken seriously. I just tried explain you how things often work 1000’s of miles outside the U.S. And you cant even respond to the “grey” part I mentioned, let alone acknowledge anything. This is what I said about thinking in terms of black or white, you cant say anything because you havent been there, lived there in POOR, CORRUPT, DICTORIAL, ISLAMIC countries. You dont get a picture if your simply vacationing in the hilton or ritz, you simply dont seem to have a clue about how “things” work in such countries. Totally clueless.Why are you not responding, because ya dont have an answer. Is that so hard to say? “or whatever he talks about”….See, you dont even read and already you have a meaning about WHAT I MIGHT HAVE SAID according to you, lmao. Your such great debater,lol. And yes, I already said in that post of mine that you or or anyone else for that matter will not be able to convince other people not to download. But as said, I just tried to give you some insight into the “grey” part of copying and pirating in SO MANY countries outside the U.S. I still think you rather see people undergo severe physical punishment or jailtime for owning a(n) (illlegal copy) porn movie, huh? You know, I was in Indonesia when playboy was introduced there. The magazine is already highly censured for the most part, but they left out in the international media that the 2 mags that have been published while I was there, generated lots of total chaos and riots AND DEATHS among some aspiring models that appeared in the first and second issue. And you know what, those proud young aspiring models c.q. playboy bunnies that were killed by intolerant people, were killed because they appeared FULLY CLOTHED in an “indecent” (according to sharia law) FULLY CENSURED mag that could be safely given to 5 year olds in kindergartens in the US or Europe. Playboy Indonesia is the only country that dont have nude models in their mags. The company where the mag gets published, was bombed a couple of times, the publisher survived some bombing attacks on his life too, he and the girls that appeared fully clothed are still being protected. and so on. What do you think happens if someone would purchase an original dvd from vivid or whatever online and when it gets confiscated by customs? You know, Im glad they have internet access, and im glad they choose to illegally download copyright protected movies. But shit wait, we should tell them “WOODY” thinks that is theft to illegally download or watch tube sites that hardly leave any traces on their computer. Same goes for many other islamic countries. As said, in NON-islamic third world countries they’re just too damn poor to purchase expensive porn movies, most of the time they would kill someone to receive a job with the minimum wage- US standard. The only escape they often have is drinking some local crappy beer and IF they have cheap internet (which is very cheap compared to our prices) , they watch some “illegal downloaded (pornmovies) or buy some local DVD-r’s for 5 cents and watch it on their crappy television What are you gonna do about it…..those fucking thieves, huh?!?!?!?! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playboy_Indonesia Thats why I also referred to those “toy laptops” ( or prescription glasses), In non islamic those kind of products (adult entertainment material in this case) should be a lot cheaper all related and depended on what the normal average national income in such countries is. Take the countries where cohibar cigars or premium cigars are made, Cuba or Nicaragua or even American produced cigarettes form camel, marlboro, lucky strike or traditional kretek in Indonesia: in those relatively dirt(y) poor countries you can buy those products for a couple of cents per package on local stands on local markets, stadions or on rail stations or on the right or left of busy traffic roads: All original, mostly imported. That is a normal thing int. companies tend to do: if you cant beat them, join them; isnt that what sun tzu already said in other words hundreds and hundreds of years ago? And you wonder why the hell people would steal from the internet if they have to save 3 years for A movie? Make it cheaper for those countries, give them alternatives so they too can enjoy nice additional booklets. That would be a good incentive for them….and you will make that extra beloved buck you so terribly miss now! As said, Im talking about non islamic countries now, by the way….just to make it double-clear.
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Posted - Apr 1 2010 : 7:39PM
That was my point.... What if talent got paid like everyone else in the workplace? What if the companies only used DV-R? What if companies did not make DVD plastic cases, print covers for the dics, and simply put them in little plastic/paper CD covers? What if it cost you less than $10 to buy such a product (but of still high quality)? Would you buy it,or do you need to see 2 dics of elongated/bloated scenes, 1 1/2 hours of stupid BTS,that tells you nothing about the making of this porn "epic"? Why does a producer need to have a distributor, or brick and mortar video store to make its sales? How many sales are made by these video stores to consumers in a given day? The video stores I frequent just don't sell to the public at all (not the porn titles, only mainstream). They just dump their old and banged up p0orn titles when they need shelf space. So is brick and mortar that important to the producer? Or is it just one or two titles the video store may buy (from a specific producer) in a given month for rental business that really makes such an impact on their balance sheet? And just because that formula seems to have worked in the past, that does not mean it will work now or forever. Hollywoodmade a deal with the devil with "Blockbuster". They took on a lot of product off their hands, and a lot that was just crap. But Bockbuster wanted a big peace of the pie. Hollywood would wish they could get you that movie without any middleman, but they have not figured out how to accomplish that yet, and nobody wants to download a movie on-line for same price and with DRM.
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Posted - Apr 1 2010 : 7:43PM
One Virgin closed, I'm sure the other is not far behind. Amoeba is the greatest place on Earth!Was meant more as a tease than a "slam." I'll rent one, and promise to start a post along the likes of, "Boy, was I wrong about Vivid!," if so inclined! Deal?My pleasure. http://www.zeropaid.com/news/87196/uk-poll-file-sharers-buy-more-music/ http://mashable.com/2009/11/01/downloaders-poll/ http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Pirate-Fileshare-Music-Download-Illegal,news-5001.html http://truefire.com/blog/?p=825 Yes, I'm done.Damn, you keep ketting me on that one! Edited by - imaginative on 4/1/2010 7:44:30 PM
Nothing in life is ever really free or especially guaranteed. The only "true" thing a porn or music company can do is try to promote it and then put it out there. Its up to you/us to decide how much we are legally willing to pay to see it. You guys can't have it both ways though. Why would a porn company pay $50,000-$100,000 to produce any given film, and then simply give it away to everybody for free? Consumers and the market ultimately weed-out those that produce weak material or somehow can't compete. Been that way since forever. Where you guys (thieves) been.
I still think the self proclaimed model citizens of adt shouldnt constantly complain and talk in terms of "thieves" if the (adult) companies have not or will not do anything about the current situation in terms of giving "offenders" alternative solutions for illegal downloading. I mean, sure one must take in account the circumstances that I mentioned in my last post ( but thats a whole nother ball game), but now specified to people with a "normal" or let alone high income living in a "friendly" democratic country such as the U.S. or in Western Europe, for those people there have got to be better solutions brought by the production companies to stop pirating than there is now. I mean sure fore those people only interested in the latest movies from jay sin, josh stone, nacho vidal or Evil or evasive angel it is easy to find out where to buy it online: adultdvdtalk, jaded, adultdvduniverse, adultdvdmarketplace (shops I mostly buy all of the newer movies im interested in), but many people including myself are bored to death with American productions and want to see more french, argentinian, mexican,colombian, asian, spanish (examples I gave of the lapiedra bros.), or australian porn for instance. Or what about old movies of my favorite actor rocco siffredi ( he made more than 1600) or films with lilli carati, old TT Boy movies or twin sister themed movies like mistex......all of them cant be find ANYWHERE for purchase. So lets say somebody does research for many hours for many months and everytime he clicks on the enter button he cant find any legal way to purchase the old skool movies hes looking for: the companies sure dont provide ways (not even willing to sell custom made copies of the mastertape and this even if your willing to pay lots of money for it) but this person investigating or gathering info for his films, does however constantly stumble on the first 25 searchresults on any given searchmachine with torrent, rapids or megaupload links for said movies....gosh, you can even find megatorrents of 94 films/with 100 or whatever gigabyte of material and old films from rocco ( way earlier than those animal trainer;puppet fuck doll series) or a collection of the first 100 movies of private that cant be obtained legally anywhere anymore ....what do you think that person is gonna do?....go to the police, write a letter to the FBI or to the original copyrightowner and complain about how dishonest those terrible illegal movie providers are and that you think they should do something about it because you just cant sleep due to the fact that God "created" such dishonest people? I guess people like "aplus". Please. Pathetic. Remember, most people living in free and friendly societies, prefer to purchase that original dvd, cd or whatever, some "old" minded farts like me for all the reason that I gave in my previous post....but then those movies should be made available in the same easily obtainable manner like those of my favorite new company justin slayer/josh stone int. or like evil angel productions. It's as simple as that. I mean, c'mon now, I could easily give anyone here a list of 100 older and newer (mostly euro sex movies) that cant be bought anywhere in the world online or in physical shops. Rediculous. As a erotic movie lover its pretty frustrating not to be able to buy it and watch it on a big screen, tho still gets slapped-- (or some might even be tempted cause they arent bothered by the crappy quality of them small files)-- in the face by all those sharing links on google or wherever. Seriously, dude, nobody who is able to afford regular prized original movies and who lives in free societies (and have a big plasma or lcd like I do) wants to watch some crappy quality downloaded movie on his monitor. And to stress it again, watching material on tube sites doesnt say shit about the willingness of peeps to purchase that material once the title is known to them and once it is easily made available for purchase on dvd by the production companies or adult specialized e-shops.
Edited by - adt44 on 4/1/2010 10:21:30 PM
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Posted - Apr 1 2010 : 10:13PM
Torrents are just way to easy to use as a scapegoat, primarily because they have not been around all that long, and proplle tend to think of them as some monster that came from outer space, Also, it's not about defining "economics" but what do you think Capitalism and Socialism are? They are also models, so one would indeed need to understand a bit about economics to discuss them intelligently. If your guy cannot define economics, then he cannot understand "capitalism vs. socialism", period.. But you claim he (the finance guy) would indeed know about capitalism (an economic model) and would be able to scoff intelligently at me about how it is no longer in existence. Please elaborate on this and again explain why a finance background gives one insight into economic models like "capitalism", you did indeed say that, so that in any event models need to be taken to another level, or we need to stop the hyperbole.
ADT44. Len801. Imaginative. All was said with more elegance than I am able to put my thoughts into words. All I can add is good job, guys. Good job. [Image not found DB]
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Posted - Apr 1 2010 : 11:08PM
I paraphrase only to make it more simple for those not following this thread to the letter. I'm going to challenge you on this one, Woody. I'm going to pick up a copy of her book. How many free DVDs will you send myself, Len and ADT for every quote I furnish from her own book that contradicts this ridiculous statement?
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Apr 2 2010 : 1:18AM
I will be glad to send you 3. just email me. You watch them and give an honest review. If you think they suck, say so. If you think they are great, say that, just be honest. Edited by - hollywood woody on 4/2/2010 2:03:47 AM
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Apr 2 2010 : 2:01AM
[/quote] No "Woody", its not about winning or losing, sport. You have a very dominant personality that irritates lots of people here, especially those who dont have seas of time to read and reply your messages. 2 months ago I peeked at some topic of Len801 about (identical)(twin)sisters doing porn, and literally all endlessly long messages -about how perverted and sick sisterly love in porn is, and how the guys enjoy watching it or asking movie info about the subject sick puppies are- were from you. C’mon man. My bloodpressure already skyrocketed so I quickly went away from the adt web-site to only come back until today. It seems you have plenty of time to respond, at length at that. I speak the truth, you may not like what I say, but I am honest. I wasn't the one who started the personal slams here, that was you. Plus some other choice words you had for me, go back and read your posts, see where you turned nasty. It is really none of my business what others think of me here, some love me, some do not. I really don't pay much attention to that. As far as incest is concerned, that is your business whether you want to watch that or not, my point it is illegal to make it in the U.S., and I had no problem with simulated incest, IMO real incest is just a bit too kinky for me. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would really suggest you work harder at your little desk and make more hours and thus money in stead of being so much online here on ADT defending Vivid AND defending your holy thoughts about how you think things in porn should be or what people should not be enjoying. When you write my paycheck, you can tell me how to spend my day, until then it is really not for you to tell others what to do, as it would then be fair for them to tell you what to do. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I love sister porn, so does len ( and a lot more than I do ;-) ) Deal with it. I could care less what you want to watch, watch baboons fucking each other in the ass for all I care. I don't have to deal with it. you do. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I mean, seriously, wouldnt it be nice to become a higher ranking vivid manager in the board of directors before you will get totally bald? If you would work on it, then you wouldnt have all this time to debate about the cons of pirating. There is no board of directors at Vivid, there is one owner, I am already bald, and have been working here for 20 years. Please stop telling me what to do, and trying to censor me. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Only small time, low ranking people have time for this nonsense. And if someone like Len801, me or other people give you a reply or write down some thoughts that dont seem to be on the same page like your tunnel vision thoughts, then you simply wont answer, nor care to read those peoples arguments and/or thoughts. If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is. I responded to lens questions even though they had nothing to do with the subject. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Or you act childlish like your stupid avatar quote: if you can't laugh at yourself, make fun of other people. Very mature. Your always thinking for other people or interpret it in such a manner as it suits only your narrow minded hard up meaning. I see but you can speak for Len and everyone else here and it's ok. Does the word hypocritical mean anything to you? The avatar quote is from comedian Bobby Slayton, it's called a joke. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I really suggest to work a little bit harder for yor bosses so you can make some more money and be able to be a “player” in this world, and not some untraveled narrow minded no name with little or no culture nor understanding of the real world or politics in other non democratic countries. Here we go again with the name calling. I have treated you with respect, but you on the other hand just want to judge me and make comments that you know nothing about. I don't care if you think I am a "player" or not. If you new me, you wouldn't make such asinine statements. Ask anyone in the adult business who I am, and they will tell you. Not to break my arm by patting myself on the back, but I have sold more DVDs and VHS than probably anyone one else in the business in the last 25 years. I have served on the Free Speech Board. I have launched many salepeoples careers in the business. I hate having to defend myself to you, but I feel I must. I don't like being the target of you verbal punches. Untraveled? I have been around the world by the time I was 18. I would be glad to debate world politics with you anytime. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What you see on Fox is not always reality, you know. Travel across the globe, to poor countries and beautiful rich countries. Mix it up if you can ( if you social enough). I will guarentee, no more small mindiness on your part. Remember, sport, the world is not always black or white, there is also something called grey. So, Im sure the more traveled and cultured people here on ADT would not blame you for sometimes being so ignorant and narrow minded. I think they just thinky of you as the village nut, a guy not to be taken seriously. Once again I was in the Middle East by the age of 18. Pretty safe to say before you were even a sperm dripping down you mamas leg. Sorry, you are starting to piss me off. All these jabs by you are your opinion, and we all know what opinions are. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I just tried explain you how things often work 1000’s of miles outside the U.S. And you cant even respond to the “grey” part I mentioned, let alone acknowledge anything. This is what I said about thinking in terms of black or white, you cant say anything because you havent been there, lived there in POOR, CORRUPT, DICTORIAL, ISLAMIC countries. You dont get a picture if your simply vacationing in the hilton or ritz, you simply dont seem to have a clue about how “things” work in such countries. Totally clueless. How do you know where or how I have lived? Your assumptions are ridiculous. I have lived in third world countries, I have worked hard labor, and been penniless. I have traveled I dare say more than the average person. I drove from Ohio to California with no money in my pocket at the age of 24, and made a good living for myself. What about you? What country did you go to to help? When have you ever lived out on the street, Mr.I know everything? Why are you not responding, because ya dont have an answer. Is that so hard to say? “or whatever he talks about”….See, you dont even read and already you have a meaning about WHAT I MIGHT HAVE SAID according to you, lmao. Your such great debater,lol. And yes, I already said in that post of mine that you or or anyone else for that matter will not be able to convince other people not to download. But as said, I just tried to give you some insight into the “grey” part of copying and pirating in SO MANY countries outside the U.S. I still think you rather see people undergo severe physical punishment or jailtime for owning a(n) (illlegal copy) porn movie, huh? You know, I was in Indonesia when playboy was introduced there. The magazine is already highly censured for the most part, but they left out in the international media that the 2 mags that have been published while I was there, generated lots of total chaos and riots AND DEATHS among some aspiring models that appeared in the first and second issue. And you know what, those proud young aspiring models c.q. playboy bunnies that were killed by intolerant people, were killed because they appeared FULLY CLOTHED in an “indecent” (according to sharia law) FULLY CENSURED mag that could be safely given to 5 year olds in kindergartens in the US or Europe. Playboy Indonesia is the only country that dont have nude models in their mags. The company where the mag gets published, was bombed a couple of times, the publisher survived some bombing attacks on his life too, he and the girls that appeared fully clothed are still being protected. and so on. What do you think happens if someone would purchase an original dvd from vivid or whatever online and when it gets confiscated by customs? You know, Im glad they have internet access, and im glad they choose to illegally download copyright protected movies. But shit wait, we should tell them “WOODY” thinks that is theft to illegally download or watch tube sites that hardly leave any traces on their computer. Same goes for many other islamic countries. As said, in NON-islamic third world countries they’re just too damn poor to purchase expensive porn movies, most of the time they would kill someone to receive a job with the minimum wage- US standard. The only escape they often have is drinking some local crappy beer and IF they have cheap internet (which is very cheap compared to our prices) , they watch some “illegal downloaded (pornmovies) or buy some local DVD-r’s for 5 cents and watch it on their crappy television What are you gonna do about it…..those fucking thieves, huh?!?!?!?! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playboy_Indonesia Thats why I also referred to those “toy laptops” ( or prescription glasses), In non islamic those kind of products (adult entertainment material in this case) should be a lot cheaper all related and depended on what the normal average national income in such countries is. Take the countries where cohibar cigars or premium cigars are made, Cuba or Nicaragua or even American produced cigarettes form camel, marlboro, lucky strike or traditional kretek in Indonesia: in those relatively dirt(y) poor countries you can buy those products for a couple of cents per package on local stands on local markets, stadions or on rail stations or on the right or left of busy traffic roads: All original, mostly imported. That is a normal thing int. companies tend to do: if you cant beat them, join them; isnt that what sun tzu already said in other words hundreds and hundreds of years ago? And you wonder why the hell people would steal from the internet if they have to save 3 years for A movie? Make it cheaper for those countries, give them alternatives so they too can enjoy nice additional booklets. That would be a good incentive for them….and you will make that extra beloved buck you so terribly miss now! As said, Im talking about non islamic countries now, by the way….just to make it double-clear. It is hard to respond to a rant.
Yes, Len, again you seem to understand my point of view, buddy. And yes, your right, I do not justify stealing, I tried to explain the circumstances and gave explanations on how things go in many countires OUTSIDE the U.S. To make it more concrete for “woody” murder A.k.a. Homicide isnt always punishable by law: there can be circumstances that your not punishable. And yes, U.S. Laws are not enforceable in other territories, I know that many Americans would like to see that otherwise and differently. Where is homicide legal? What country are you from? Where in the world is it not punishable? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “Woody”, you are really not that smart, huh. At least, that is what I think when reading your answer on Lens question c.q. statements. Sheehs. Really get out some more...if you can afford it. Learn a thing or 2 about the way things happen in the real world.Not everything can be controlled and should be controlled. Its not only money what’s at stake if you can comprehend that and think a little bit more in terms of “grey”. So far for the grey part of this issue of copyright. I would suggest you think about it before giving yet again some smartass ignorant comment. There is more in the world then the good ol’ U.S. of A. Dont be dumb.Or hey, wait, lets bribe someone with a lame-ass free Vivid movie.....sure keeps them quite.... Are you a terrorist? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Again, thanks to Len, your spot on with your interpretation. I surely wish my English (idiom, amount of words that I know, style & grammer) would be better so I would be able to bring my thoughts on paper in a more properly manner than now. Too bad. Now, I know why I stopped logging in here on ADT, It takes too much time to write and aswer people like ”Woody”, lmfao. Im out, gonna respond to more “lighter” less serious issues from now on. Another twin sisters doing porn- topic, Len?, lol. Dude , put the pipe down. Edited by - hollywood woody on 4/2/2010 2:05:35 AM Edited by - hollywood woody on 4/2/2010 2:26:31 AM
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Posted - Apr 2 2010 : 2:16AM
I am referring to her opening her own company, and making it as a production studio. I know she had a very tough childhood, Steven did not. I have been close friends with her for about 15 years. I know her story very well. She was taken seriously from the start of her opening Club Jenna. She was taken seriously the minute her numbers were beyond that of ten movies put together, I sold over 64k units of The New DMJ, out the door in one week. I will send you 3 dvds anyhow.
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Posted - Apr 2 2010 : 2:25AM
For the record, I have been offered by Woody free DVD's from Vivid to sample their product. I have no compelling reason to accept the offer. I am not into that kind of product as of late, and I have been disappointed with what has gone on in the past. I have moved on, and whether the product has dramatically changed for the better (why now?) is rather irrelevant to me. This thread is and should not be about the Vivid product (there has been a separate thread for this) but the problem is when Woody speaks via these posts, he definitely has a personal and professional vested interest in the matter and he cannot disassociate himself personally from that corporate image and vision. Does he find illegal downloading, and pirating of DVD movies for profit aborrent, because it apparently has a detrimental effect on his employment/future earning power? Does he frankly believe that if illegal downloading were to cease tomorrow mainstream and porn movies would cost consumers much less (how much less?)? It did not happen when there was no or little pirating of VHS/Beta tapes back in the heydays, so why would anyone believe it would change their pricing schemes now? The mainstream movie industry frequently and overtly suggests the product would cost less to consumers, but it is all empty talk. The music industry was high pricing their product for years until Napster kicked its groin, and pointed the way as to a different and revolutionary method of making the product available to the general consumer at a more affordable price (peole did not care about a nice colorful jewel box and shiny CD). It took someone from the outside (Apple) to bring it kicking and screaming into a reasonable proposal of distribution. The mainstream and movie industry still do not get it and prefer to keep on with this old formula. If you read the press releases of the entertainment industry, it seems to be a "badge of honor" that a new movie is being downloaded (thousands, millions of times) illegally in torrent and other systems upon its release. They hate the illegal download, but yet prefer to tout that as a means to show that the general public is highly interested in that particular movie. So what is the solution--yup, jack up the movie theater prices and go 3-D, even when the movies in question generally stink wih or without the 3-D effects. They did that in the 1950's (and the 1980's) and movies in 3-D were just as corny and stupid as they are now. What has radically changed with this illegal downloading at least as it concerns the mainstream movie business? Definitely not pricing, but the ways movies are distributed. When did AVATAR hit the movie theaters? In most countries around mid-late December 2009. A few remaining countries saw it in January. It will be released on video around April 22 I believe. You think that would have happened a few years back? No way! Hollywood studios rolled out their movies over time (weeks, months, and sometimes never) to a number of countries. Now it is much much quicker. Very few movies stay in theaters beyond the 3rd week. Which means the studios take the bigger piece of the pie in its first weeks of release, and reap more money in secondary release streams (DVD, PPV, etc). They do not do a great job with the old film library as well, although the keep asking for extension of copyright. How long did it take them to release (in the US) old classics like THE THREE MUSKETEERS or KING KONG (1933)? If you wanted to own a DVD of either these movies you had to rummage through some Asian/foreign counties. When DVD's were created they had this great idea of blocking content (why not for music CD?) and split it into regions: 1, 2, 3, etc. But it does not take that much to disable that in today's tech world, and why should I be deprived of a movie (not yet released in the US) if I pick it up while traveling say in France or Germany at a local shop. Why is it so restrictive? Why is it not the same for music CD's which can be played everywhere in the world? The more you make a product difficult to acquire legitimately (rapidly, affordably) and the more efforts are made and considered to get around it. Edited by - Len801 on 4/2/2010 2:46:34 AM
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Posted - Apr 2 2010 : 3:32AM
I would like to add--because it is important for the studios to understand--people also didn't care about lower fidelity. Convenience was way more important. That's why Blu-ray is a Red Herring, or at best, a Band-Aid. Yes, there is a small niche who crave HD porn, but they are not in numbers that are industry changing. (Same can be said of mainstream.) I would also point out the proliferation of high quality content being created as web exclusives. This number is obviously getting higher and higher each year, while the number of DVD titles being released is most assuredly getting lower. I'm sure the pie chart that Woody has no doubt seen, that shows the amount of porn dollars going towards purchased DVDs is already a minority. And I'm curious, if it was so easy for Jenna, why haven't more women followed in her footsteps? Edited by - imaginative on 4/2/2010 3:33:56 AM
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Posted - Apr 2 2010 : 4:50AM
PS. "Brevity is the Soul of Wit."
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Posted - Apr 2 2010 : 8:48AM
I have never understood blu-ray. The DVD was just about in its infancy and trying to break through and here was Sony (always the spoiler) trying to peddle another "improvement". They did not give DVD a chance and they were jumping on the next thing. Try to remember the price of a blu-ray player a couple of years back. Now they are down to less than a $100! But what about blu-ray recorders? They are sight unseen in any electronic shop, and if you should find them they are are way overpriced and so is the media (blank discs). What does it tell you? They want to you to buy and play the discs not record anything on them! Lok at the crappy "old" movies being (re)released on blu-ray, you would not even watch on a VHS tape. All gimmick and no soul. Woody does not mention that a VHS mvie back in the heyday (for porn and mainstream) was hovering around the +$80 mark in the early 1980's and in the later 1980's and early 1990's most movies were over $100 (very few titles were considered "sell-throughs"). He does not tell you what sales were being made then and what profits they were making at the time. Who could afford a Beta/VHS porn tape back in early-mid 1980's. It was all rental stuff really. Hardly anyone I knew had bought a porn videotape at that time. They mass produce today and still the product is pricy, but they suggest it would cost less to you if pirating would stop. But do I need to spend $30-40 on a 2-disc DVD with just bloated scenes and BTS I don't care about? Do I need a shiny disc and "pretty" box cover? Those are vanity effects (look I got pretty discs to sell you, while the competition has shitty artwork and box covers!), as the music industry has learned.
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Posted - Apr 2 2010 : 9:11AM
The entire regional concept of DVDs was not to lose sales, but rather to make it easier to play in countries with very little technical adaptations such as Angola or Somalia. Unfortuanately this had the unwanted consequence of companies deciding to make scarcity a commodity! I suppose if people want to, they can focus on the act of downloading, or on the admittedly insufficient rationalizations (and I admit such in my opening statement) I threw in. And porn, for once, in the three decades I've been watching it, paying and participating in the industry can claim the moral high ground. But in the end, so what? You're right, but if no one listens, what does it matter? If the neanderthal tells the cro-magnon "But I've got a larger cranial capacity!" as he's being phased out of evolution, it doesn't matter that he's right. It only matters that he's going to be extinct. The world of porn has everything right on their side in terms of copyright and ownership and I've already said that downloads and streaming vids are a seductive but ultimately destructive force that actually suck the enjoyment out of porn. And we can debate how long it'll be before there's an effective deterrent. I mean let's face it, there are hackers out there who can break into the Pentagon, how long before one of them comes up with an effective downloadable decrypter for any encoding that might come to exist out there. But from my perspective, guys don't care that much about a few dollars here and there and if you figure out a way to seize that audience back, the guy who'd drop five bucks in a Times Square to watch ten minutes of a movie because it was cheap and easy, maybe you'll re-ignite the industry. I just think that even a moderately informed discussion about new business models is better than just saying "don't steal." Because if there's one thing I know for certain it is that every day 90% of us are breaking some law. And the other ten % are lying about it.
Well, well, well, see, this is what I meant....you dont respond to most important parts of ALL of my 3 posts in this thread, meaning the parts about the circumstances and explanations about why millions and millions of people living in such countries are compelled to download media content such as in this case porno movies. You only care to respond to what I said about you as a person. The image that I have from you might be incorrect in real life but I doubt it. I dont think you fit in the dictionary definition of a cosmpolitan: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cosmopolitanor atleast that is certainly NOT what one will destill from all of your hard up black & white writings here on ADT. And yes, your correct, maybe I shouldnt’ve wasted so much time writing about your persona, but then again, even if I wouldnt’ve, you would’ve prolly still find a sneaky way to beat around the bush in such a manner that you would not need to go into the copyright infrigement issues of peoples in such countries that I wrote about. So, we all read your replies on my personal thought about your persona, now its time to give your cosmpolitan view on the parts of my 3 messages that dont concern you as a private person. I mean, I certainly expect decent answers from a first class world traveler such as yourself who has been in the middle east and drove all the way from ohio to california without a penny. I wasnt prepared to read that, “woody”: what a hard knocklife…..it instantly lets me forget the dead corpses I’ve seen rotting away on the sides of roads in burma or the shootings and drugs related car bombs I witnessed in colombia, caracas, villa mimosa( rio) or juarez, where people (also children) got their heads decapitated or the acid attacks I witness on a semi-daily basis here in Mumbai. But I guess I had that cummin', huh? Anyways, let me quickly comment in bold what I did not already address in this message^^^^: No "Woody", its not about winning or losing, sport. You have a very dominant personality that irritates lots of people here, especially those who dont have seas of time to read and reply your messages. 2 months ago I peeked at some topic of Len801 about (identical)(twin)sisters doing porn, and literally all endlessly long messages -about how perverted and sick sisterly love in porn is, and how the guys enjoy watching it or asking movie info about the subject sick puppies are- were from you. C’mon man. My bloodpressure already skyrocketed so I quickly went away from the adt web-site to only come back until today. It seems you have plenty of time to respond, at length at that. I speak the truth, you may not like what I say, but I am honest. I wasn't the one who started the personal slams here, that was you. Plus some other choice words you had for me, go back and read your posts, see where you turned nasty. It is really none of my business what others think of me here, some love me, some do not. I really don't pay much attention to that. As far as incest is concerned, that is your business whether you want to watch that or not, my point it is illegal to make it in the U.S., and I had no problem with simulated incest, IMO real incest is just a bit too kinky for me. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would really suggest you work harder at your little desk and make more hours and thus money in stead of being so much online here on ADT defending Vivid AND defending your holy thoughts about how you think things in porn should be or what people should not be enjoying. When you write my paycheck, you can tell me how to spend my day, until then it is really not for you to tell others what to do, as it would then be fair for them to tell you what to do. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I love sister porn, so does len ( and a lot more than I do ;-) ) Deal with it. I could care less what you want to watch, watch baboons fucking each other in the ass for all I care. I don't have to deal with it. you do. It was just an example, son…..you know, you could’ve responded with this short reply in that sister themed thread of Len if you felt the urge to give your holy thought about that subject?! Whats the need to rag on those people and bother them with your thoughts and convictions? I mean, Im now working in a country that has death penalty (hanging in public stadions) for all forms of homosexual behavior. Its forbidden by law. Even If I would agree with such punishments (which is not the case of course), do you see me complaining about all the disgusting homo porn america produces and how it is illegal in the country where I am and that therefor it should be illegal everywhere or do you see me trying to convince proud homosexual men that who they are or what they like or the info they ask about gay movies is wrong beyond words because of my own convictions and because the law of my country backs me up thus giving me the fully right to state certain things? You know, cummin back to you, not everything about U.S. (case) laws is the only absoulte way to live by. America and american laws do not and I repeat do not have EXTRA TERRITORIAL effect. Thank God. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I mean, seriously, wouldnt it be nice to become a higher ranking vivid manager in the board of directors before you will get totally bald? If you would work on it, then you wouldnt have all this time to debate about the cons of pirating. There is no board of directors at Vivid, there is one owner, I am already bald, and have been working here for 20 years. Please stop telling me what to do, and trying to censor me. Trying to censor you or telling you what to do, is not much different from what you manage to realize with your waterfall of tunnel vissioned black& white writings, in most of the threads you feel the urge to respond to -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Only small time, low ranking people have time for this nonsense. And if someone like Len801, me or other people give you a reply or write down some thoughts that dont seem to be on the same page like your tunnel vision thoughts, then you simply wont answer, nor care to read those peoples arguments and/or thoughts. If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is. I responded to lens questions even though they had nothing to do with the subject. No, its not, you already addressed the thoughts I have about your persona, you did not respond in any way shape or form to the de facto common issues of the circumstances of copyrightinfringement in more than the helft of all countries in the world --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Or you act childlish like your stupid avatar quote: if you can't laugh at yourself, make fun of other people. Very mature. Your always thinking for other people or interpret it in such a manner as it suits only your narrow minded hard up meaning. I see but you can speak for Len and everyone else here and it's ok. Does the word hypocritical mean anything to you? The avatar quote is from comedian Bobby Slayton, it's called a joke. im only speaking for other people in an indirect manner, if those people concerned would not agree with my statements about you, they are free to reply to this thread.Lots of people on adt just dont have time to read and respond to you waterfall messages or try to debate you (which is pretty time consuming and at times pretty much impossible to say the least). Its always hard to discuss with people who never seem to think in terms of “grey”. Most people will just give it a rest, especially if English isnt their first nor second language, thus missing thousands and thousands of vocabulary, idioms, and the ability to utilize proper grammar & style (like in my case). This combined with your dominant character, your way ahead of most (non dominant) people here especially those living abroad who just cant compete a native tongue like yourself. BTW, that avatar quote might be a joke, but it’s safe to say, that I cant imagine that it not has a special meaning for you other than a great laugh….. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I really suggest to work a little bit harder for yor bosses so you can make some more money and be able to be a “player” in this world, and not some untraveled narrow minded no name with little or no culture nor understanding of the real world or politics in other non democratic countries. Here we go again with the name calling. I have treated you with respect, but you on the other hand just want to judge me and make comments that you know nothing about. I don't care if you think I am a "player" or not. If you new me, you wouldn't make such asinine statements. Ask anyone in the adult business who I am, and they will tell you. Not to break my arm by patting myself on the back, but I have sold more DVDs and VHS than probably anyone one else in the business in the last 25 years. I have served on the Free Speech Board. I have launched many salepeoples careers in the business. I hate having to defend myself to you, but I feel I must. I don't like being the target of you verbal punches. Untraveled? I have been around the world by the time I was 18. I would be glad to debate world politics with you anytime. Addressed in my first reply of this message, and as said, it is impossible for me to debate worldpolitics with you without spending a days work to do so. It would be a waste of time, cause you are ALWAYS right anyways, EVEN if your not. It is pretty much impossible for non native speakers from abroad (such as myself) to incorporate small nuances or underlying feelings or write using more vocabulary in their replies to you. So it wouldnt be a fair competion to start with. Another thing, with traveling I dont mean vacationing, I mean living for months and months in the worst of places. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What you see on Fox is not always reality, you know. Travel across the globe, to poor countries and beautiful rich countries. Mix it up if you can ( if you social enough). I will guarentee, no more small mindiness on your part. Remember, sport, the world is not always black or white, there is also something called grey. So, Im sure the more traveled and cultured people here on ADT would not blame you for sometimes being so ignorant and narrow minded. I think they just thinky of you as the village nut, a guy not to be taken seriously. Once again I was in the Middle East by the age of 18. Pretty safe to say before you were even a sperm dripping down you mamas leg. Sorry, you are starting to piss me off. All these jabs by you are your opinion, and we all know what opinions are. Addressed in first part of this message --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I just tried explain you how things often work 1000’s of miles outside the U.S. And you cant even respond to the “grey” part I mentioned, let alone acknowledge anything. This is what I said about thinking in terms of black or white, you cant say anything because you havent been there, lived there in POOR, CORRUPT, DICTORIAL, ISLAMIC countries. You dont get a picture if your simply vacationing in the hilton or ritz, you simply dont seem to have a clue about how “things” work in such countries. Totally clueless. How do you know where or how I have lived? Your assumptions are ridiculous. I have lived in third world countries, I have worked hard labor, and been penniless. I have traveled I dare say more than the average person. I drove from Ohio to California with no money in my pocket at the age of 24, and made a good living for myself. What about you? What country did you go to to help? When have you ever lived out on the street, Mr.I know everything? Why are you not responding, because ya dont have an answer. Is that so hard to say? “or whatever he talks about”….See, you dont even read and already you have a meaning about WHAT I MIGHT HAVE SAID according to you, lmao. Your such great debater,lol. And yes, I already said in that post of mine that you or or anyone else for that matter will not be able to convince other people not to download. But as said, I just tried to give you some insight into the “grey” part of copying and pirating in SO MANY countries outside the U.S. I still think you rather see people undergo severe physical punishment or jailtime for owning a(n) (illlegal copy) porn movie, huh? You know, I was in Indonesia when playboy was introduced there. The magazine is already highly censured for the most part, but they left out in the international media that the 2 mags that have been published while I was there, generated lots of total chaos and riots AND DEATHS among some aspiring models that appeared in the first and second issue. And you know what, those proud young aspiring models c.q. playboy bunnies that were killed by intolerant people, were killed because they appeared FULLY CLOTHED in an “indecent” (according to sharia law) FULLY CENSURED mag that could be safely given to 5 year olds in kindergartens in the US or Europe. Playboy Indonesia is the only country that dont have nude models in their mags. The company where the mag gets published, was bombed a couple of times, the publisher survived some bombing attacks on his life too, he and the girls that appeared fully clothed are still being protected. and so on. What do you think happens if someone would purchase an original dvd from vivid or whatever online and when it gets confiscated by customs? You know, Im glad they have internet access, and im glad they choose to illegally download copyright protected movies. But shit wait, we should tell them “WOODY” thinks that is theft to illegally download or watch tube sites that hardly leave any traces on their computer. Same goes for many other islamic countries. As said, in NON-islamic third world countries they’re just too damn poor to purchase expensive porn movies, most of the time they would kill someone to receive a job with the minimum wage- US standard. The only escape they often have is drinking some local crappy beer and IF they have cheap internet (which is very cheap compared to our prices) , they watch some “illegal downloaded (pornmovies) or buy some local DVD-r’s for 5 cents and watch it on their crappy television What are you gonna do about it…..those fucking thieves, huh?!?!?!?! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playboy_Indonesia Thats why I also referred to those “toy laptops” ( or prescription glasses), In non islamic those kind of products (adult entertainment material in this case) should be a lot cheaper all related and depended on what the normal average national income in such countries is. Take the countries where cohibar cigars or premium cigars are made, Cuba or Nicaragua or even American produced cigarettes form camel, marlboro, lucky strike or traditional kretek in Indonesia: in those relatively dirt(y) poor countries you can buy those products for a couple of cents per package on local stands on local markets, stadions or on rail stations or on the right or left of busy traffic roads: All original, mostly imported. That is a normal thing int. companies tend to do: if you cant beat them, join them; isnt that what sun tzu already said in other words hundreds and hundreds of years ago? And you wonder why the hell people would steal from the internet if they have to save 3 years for A movie? Make it cheaper for those countries, give them alternatives so they too can enjoy nice additional booklets. That would be a good incentive for them….and you will make that extra beloved buck you so terribly miss now! As said, Im talking about non islamic countries now, by the way….just to make it double-clear. It is hard to respond to a rant. Rant???, why dont you just re-read my 3 messages and respond to them, or is that to difficult for you? A lil’ bit more elbow grease wouldnt harm ya, you know…. Yes, Len, again you seem to understand my point of view, buddy. And yes, your right, I do not justify stealing, I tried to explain the circumstances and gave explanations on how things go in many countires OUTSIDE the U.S. To make it more concrete for “woody” murder A.k.a. Homicide isnt always punishable by law: there can be circumstances that your not punishable. And yes, U.S. Laws are not enforceable in other territories, I know that many Americans would like to see that otherwise and differently. Where is homicide legal? What country are you from? Where in the world is it not punishable? Never heard of self defense, force majeure, insanity or all the other legal escapes? (dont know how these legal defenses are called in the english language). Oh and yes, in mumbai, for example, males are punishable by law for murder on their wives (a newly wed female needs to give the family of her husband a treasury box with gold, jewely and money and this even if the family of the wife is dirt poor) but if the family of the female gives only a small amount, the male or family of the male himself will murder or throw liquid acid on the woman due to this and therby burning her face off. Millions and millions of cases every year. So de facto it is punisbale by law, but the police and certaily the (corrupt) courts are not and will not punish that/those person(s). Its just the way things happen in macho cultures, especially those types of countries. I can go on and on giving examples of other countries where I’ve been with the same types of legal systems where such is common practice. Do your own research. I dont have time to lecture you about the world outside the u.s about stuff that doesnt get mentioned on 60 minutes ofr on CNN or whatver. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “Woody”, you are really not that smart, huh. At least, that is what I think when reading your answer on Lens question c.q. statements. Sheehs. Really get out some more...if you can afford it. Learn a thing or 2 about the way things happen in the real world.Not everything can be controlled and should be controlled. Its not only money what’s at stake if you can comprehend that and think a little bit more in terms of “grey”. So far for the grey part of this issue of copyright. I would suggest you think about it before giving yet again some smartass ignorant comment. There is more in the world then the good ol’ U.S. of A. Dont be dumb.Or hey, wait, lets bribe someone with a lame-ass free Vivid movie.....sure keeps them quite.... Are you a terrorist? No, “woody”, im no terrorist----(some of the less educated yanks (probably like yourself) always like to think in terms of terrorists, if one doesnt agree with what one has to say, huh? *shaking my damn head*)----Im just, uh, well…..just sing these choruses aloud, imagining im a woman and not a man ;) I I I I v http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yosCYE4vwlY ^ I I I I --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Again, thanks to Len, your spot on with your interpretation. I surely wish my English (idiom, amount of words that I know, style & grammer) would be better so I would be able to bring my thoughts on paper in a more properly manner than now. Too bad. Now, I know why I stopped logging in here on ADT, It takes too much time to write and aswer people like ”Woody”, lmfao. Im out, gonna respond to more “lighter” less serious issues from now on. Another twin sisters doing porn- topic, Len?, lol. Dude , put the pipe down. Edited by - hollywood woody on 4/2/2010 2:05:35 AM Edited by - hollywood woody on 4/2/2010 2:26:31 AM
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Some pics I've made with my cellphone last week "somewhere" in South East Asia...On the 1st pic you can see the shady main entrance guarded by shady men of an underground complex leading to back alley fabrics where literally millions and millions of illegally produced dvds are being made from all of the latest Vivid, Evil Angel ect. titles. But not only the latest titles of american companies, also scary snuff(-like) perverted rape porn in which poor "bought" or kidnapped country girls (who wouldnt be missed anyways) probably get tortured, knifed, killed and humiliated with scat & piss & beastiality/beast sex oriented scenes for sexual perverted "entertainment" value: all sorts of illegal stuff that I do not condone in any way shape or form and that makes one sick to see if one has that videobox in their hands. From there all the movies are getting bought by middlemen and distributed across south east asia. I know that there are at least 3 of such places. It kinda has that surreal feeling of being in that film called 8mm with nicholas cage. I wouldnt reccommend going to such places if you cant speak the laguage or have someone we belongs to the inside crew. There must have been more than 150 people in that complex working on some stuff that day. Too bad they had none of the titles I am searching for otherwise I would've probably bought them that day. P.S. dont bother asking me where this is, I wont tell you anyways. But wait, "woody", as a well traveled man, prolly knows of such places anyways....'nuff said. [Image not found DB] [Image not found DB] [Image not found DB] [Image not found DB] While Im @ it, let me lighten it up a little bit more: heres another song for “woodies” ipod and for all the (porn) producing companies that dont come with alternatives like I mentioned ;) Great song, btw. I I v http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZafSxXtmA24 ^ I I. [Re-edit: grammar] Edited by - adt44 on 4/2/2010 10:33:36 AM Edited by - adt44 on 4/2/2010 12:35:15 PM
If a tangential excursion is allowed: I am trying to puzzle out what this, particularly the first sentence, is supposed to mean. Region codes were always meant to restrict use of the discs geographically mainly to control pricing in different areas. This was a major annoyance right from the start: for instance European movie buffs interested in a release from the USA that was unavailable in their own area could buy it by mail order, but they would have to modify their hardware to be able to play it. In the early days of DVD players this often involved soldering mod boards inside the DVD player. Nowadays it is usually much easier and can be done by remote or the front panel buttons. My understanding is that blu-ray has a similar coding system which is much harder to defeat, but as I have not yet made the leap to blu-ray (and may choose not to do it at all), I have had no reason to investigate the matter. DVDs have other user-inconveniencing features: cumbersome time-consuming menus and ads and loooong and very annoying antipiracy warnings that can not be bypassed (unless the DVD player has been hacked), and things like macrovision which deliberately worsens the image quality. I don't see why people who already bought the damm thing should be subjected to the "Thou Shalt Not Steal" brainwashing videos, but some distributors apparently think differently. (This of course does not apply to porn DVDs as far as I know.) Edited by - witling on 4/2/2010 10:34:13 AM
I highly doubt any adult company could get the FBI behind them to prosecute copyright infringers of adult material, its hard enough to get infringers on charges for racketeering, in my case with Evil Angel against an infringer it was presented, but the judge threw it out..... Just to clarify, I distribute Brazzers dvds if this constitutes "being in bed" with them, then so be it. I have nothing to do with any of their web presence or affiliated sites etc. we receive content and produce dvds from it.....dvd sales for brazzers are strong in the dvd market, but probably still only account for a small percentage of their overall revenue.
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Apr 2 2010 : 12:11PM
Len you are a nice guy and respectful. Let me try to clear everything up for you. I do have a personal interest, and I am speaking for myself, not Vivid, but the industry as a whole. No I am not the spokesperson for the industry, but on the subject of illegal downloading, we all feel pretty much the same. I am not that delusional to think I am going to stop it. I am simply saying that it is illegal and wrong to do. it hurts the companies and the consumers. Period. When speaking on this subject, I have included Wicked, Digital Playground and others, not just Vivid. I am not sure that I find it abhorrent, I find it wrong, I don't steal from others and I would like to think that others would not steal from me. VHS and Beta tapes were not put on the internet, so I think you would agree that the internet has a lot more eyes on it then when people just made copies and sold them of VHS tapes. There is also a perceived anonymity when on the internet, that you can steal and do it in the privacy of your own home. You talk about napster, but in the end Napster was shut down, why, because it was illegal. It was killing the market for music. Along comes itunes, I love itunes, i spend most of my music money there. I don't have a problem paying for something i want. I must comment on your take on 3-d movies, I did see Avatar and it certainly , IMO, didn't stink. It is not your fathers 3D. It is a new market for them, and for TV manufacturers. It was the biggest thing at CES in Jan. As for the regional codes on DVDs, we make ours universal.
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Very insightful. In the video age of the 1980's, 1990's and early 2000's the companies could easily control distribution as VHS/BETA tapes could not be played in different countries because largely of the NTS/PAL/SECAM formats. Audio CD never had that problem from day one if I understand it correctly. When DVD came along, movie studios wanted to have the same control as they did for cinema exhibition. They broke up the countries and regions/territories as they wished. One DVD could not play in a certain other country and that pleased them well. It's called: CONTROL, CONTROL, CONTROL! In Asia and other countries many Hollywood movies were/and are available (legitimately) for rock bottom prices, while US audiences waited/wait forever for their US release. You could not get KING KONG, you could not get THE THREE MUSKETEERS, EL CID, ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST, etc. It took forever for these movies to be distributed in the country that produced it! Still today many extended versions of Hollywood movies are to be found not in the USA but elsewhere. See if that makes sense to you. Then you are preached about not stealing, about not downloading. Brazil can distribute (legitimately) a colorized version of KING KING (1933) but I cannot get it in the US! Funny right? A colorized version of THE OUTLAW (1943) exists on DVD and was released months ago. TCM now plays it in "glorious" black X white.
It is stupid and it does not make any sense in the 2010 world. How many movies ae still being shown on TV (in crappy condition) and released on DVD (with the number of households now owning flat w/s screens) in full-format? When are they going to get rid of that ***ing format? It is that hardheaded and twisted sense of absolute control of the product: "I will sell it here, but not here. I don't want to release that movie at all. I'll keep it in the vault. I want a 100 years copyright even though I am sitting on the movie and don't care to ever release it or maybe in 10 years' time". A lot of movies that people want have neither made it to VHS or let alone on DVD. You think blu-ray is going to improve the situation? A lot of porn movies are in even in worst state. Those oldies that have been recently put on DVD are nothing more than banged up VHS versions (or either censored). Hardly anybody invests money in locating a good print or to refurbish and clean up some old negative. I don't even want to talk about menus for mainstream movies. You can't get to the main menu or play the movie until you have run through oodles of trailers you do not care about. I bought the movie, not 10 minutes of trailers! You want me to see them, put them somewhere I can access them when I am finished with the movie!
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Apr 2 2010 : 12:29PM
To ADT 44, You are right, I am wrong. I really don't have the 1/2 hour to read your rantings and ravings. So I concede, you are the man. Whatever you say. I apologize for living. I will go home and kill myself tonight, as soon as I get finished with my work.
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Posted - Apr 2 2010 : 12:32PM
Woody, I have always been respectful of other people's opinion(s) and do not mock or make fun of people or call them names. I and others understand what you have been saying, but always saying "don't steal" does not make the problem go away. I spoke about educating the masses and I was laughed off, and was told that it is an unworkable solution (why?). I have suggested lowering the price of the product by releasing it in a diferent way (no box covers, no shiny discs, sell direct, etc). Nobody in the business seems to be interested in the idea. What do you want consumers to suggest to you then, if they are the ones you depend on to buy it and the keep the industry humming? As I said, when you speak everyone knows who you are and that you represent Vivid. Your views are considered that of the company you work for or and to a greater extent the porn industry. We cannot guess, when you speak on a personal level or on a corporate level. You may find stealing porn aborrent, unlawful or what you wish to call it. I may say the say the same thing of adultery. You may be stealing my wife, her affections and her affections from my children. My earning power and my lifestyle will dramatically change (often for the worst). I may say the thing for a tax cheater (say Janine for instance). She worked for the industry for many years, lived a good lifestyle (from reports posted on the web) but was not paying taxes. Am I suggesting to you that due to her actions and that of others like her, you think in the end you are not paying higher taxes? What about the expenses to bring her to trial? Laws are broken every day by a number of people. Some actions many no longer be illegal in 2010 but were in the past. Some actions may be considred immoral and they do hurt people/families in many ways. Oh yes, Tiger is a great golfer, so let's leave him alone even if he continuously screwed over a dozen women (while he was married, while he had kids?). Because of...he had the means,the opportunity, and the inclination to do so. Great hero and great image he projects. He calls it a "mistake" (a mistake is a one night stand while you are drunk). But you said in a previous post, it does not bother you one bit. If I told you it did not bother me if someone went to download a porn or mainstream movie he cannot legitimately get anywhere, you would say I am in favor of thievery and it should not be done because of your personal and professional ethics. I have seen AVATAR and it sucks, and if you read movie reviews they will tell you the same thing. On 2-D the movie is barely passable, and on 3-D it is simply gimmicky. The ALICE movie is even worst. With regards to regional (universal) coding, I believe that many Euro porn distributors do that. It makes sense to me. If someone in another country wants to buy the film, why make it difficult for him/her? Hollywood has always been a control freak. I mean a book or an audio CD can be read, listened to anywhere in the word. What is so different about a freaking movie? Do these people live on Mars? Edited by - Len801 on 4/2/2010 12:40:13 PM Edited by - Len801 on 4/2/2010 12:45:26 PM
No "woody", let me reiterate, it not about winning nor losing, its not about who is right or wrong. See, again your talking in terms of black and white. GREY GREY GREY GREY should really be the (your) keyword in discussions like this one, about infringement of copyrighted material. And c'mon now, there is really no need for girly suicidal drama talk. Name the facts, explanations and circumstances I mentioned in my 3 posts like you want ("rantings"/"ravings"), but why are you being so evasive? You might as well use that time to enlighten us all with your thoughts on those matters? I mean, the general problems regarding copyright infringement are still the highest on other continents. Everyone knows that. So why is the industry not concentrating on those areas? As you said so yourself, a well traveled man like yourself surely can shine his light on the problem areas that I mentioned. What is your stance? Are you ashamed to say that you think it is okay to cut peoples hand off because they stole something, cause this is what happens in lots of countries when you steal "something"? And you are against theft, NO MATTER WHAT, right? Laws are laws, right? A month or so jail time or large fines for US citizens when they breach law stipulations and mutatis mutandis severe physical punishment or decades of jailtime for breaching law stipulations in rogue states? Really, what defenses would you bring up when you get that ticked from Vivid to lobby in those countries on behalf of your company and maybe even more interesting what defenses would you bring regarding your own stance in the matter? Still no grey statements/arguments/convictions on your behalf???? I think your just afraid to give your meaning about what I said in my 3 posts. I thought you dont give a rat's ass about what anyone thinks of you? well, then, wheres your spine?: lets hear your black & white (or prolly unlikely grey) beliefs on its own merits. Thanks.
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Posted - Apr 2 2010 : 1:29PM
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---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I understand that Vivid and some other producers may have a certain corporate image to project to the general consumer: high end product being nicely packaged. But think of this: video stores in my area will not and have not stacked up on Vivid titles in a very long time. Why? The owners tell me they are high priced, and customers generally prefer gonzo genre. So think about it, no eyes are seeing your product becase you cannot find any Vivid product on the shelves. So it is useless for you to tell me: "I'll send you a couple of free DVD's to sample to show you how our product has changed". What is the point, your product is nowhere to be found. So why don't you experiment a couple of titles by packaging and selling them differently and test the waters? Why don't you ask consumers what they think about the idea and the price you are prepared to offer the product at? Is Vivid or the porn industry afraid to experiment a little? And when you say "the product is selling well", are you talking actual DVD sales, or sales of the movies by other means (satellite/cable, on-line VOD)? I know it sounds like telling Playboy to use less glossy paper to print their mags, but is it the image or the sales that ultimately must be considered? I recall a video store years back that had a great selection of movies (mainstream/hc) but were charging a lot more for rental than anyone else in town. Guess what happened to them? They shuttered soon enough when people started frequenting other video sores and paying $1-2 less (at that time a buck was a buck). Edited by - Len801 on 4/2/2010 2:01:36 PM
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Apr 2 2010 : 2:38PM
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Posted - Apr 2 2010 : 3:40PM
I live in a very large city, with liberal minded citizens and very tolerant judicial system. Porn is plentiful (magazines, DVD's, satellite/cable). It would not help you to know which city, as you would not be able to do anything about store owner's stance and customers' tastes with regards to plot-driven movies. They just don't rent well. This trend started some years back. You could only find the odd Vivid, Wicked, Adam & Eve,VCA title. For the last 2-3 years it has come down to a dead stop regarding those companies. But there is more, as I have mentioned in previous posts. Video store owners are smarting from the recession and when you see that a well-stocked video store that rents an adult title for over $5.50, the shelves are always full and rental is down. The store owners feel they have to charge more to make ends meet. Many stores have cut down on adult titles and space. So you have titles from "A" companies, "B" and "C". If "A" wants for example (and this is only an example for comparison purpoises and does not reflect the actual costs, which are not revealed to me) $22 for a title, and "B" offers $15 and "C" is willing to sell for $10, who do you think will get the business? So it is not only Vivid, Wicked, A & E, VCA that are "locked" out (for economic reasons and customer tastes) but other companies as well. For quite some time now, the stores in my area carry only a small portion of Evil Angel titles, hardly any Red Light, and no Anabolic/Diabolic to speak of, and Private titles are hradly seen either. That has become the new reality and it has little to do with illegal downloading as this trend was being seen at least 4-5 years ago when downloading was not such a big thing. With regards to adult plot-driven movies from Vivid and other companies like Wicked, A& E, Private, these are usually made available in my area via satellite/cable PPV. But the cost of a movie is way out of line. If a rental at a video store averages about $4-5, PPV is around the $11 mark, which does not make it very attractive for the general consumer. In addition there is/may be some slight censoring/editing of certain scenes. Blockbuster does not stock up on adult titles, and the little independent video store can't compete and buy 50-60 titles of any new mainstream title, let alone an adult title. Where does he cut? Adult titles of course, so he stocks up on crap nobody wants to see. The customer stops going and retreats to the internet, where porn is aplenty. The other negative trend in the past couple of years that has affected rentals/sales of adult titles (at least in my area) is that in order to combat a large chain (like Blockbuster) is to offer longer rental period of mainstream and adult titles. A spanking new mainstream title usually needs to be rented for 24-hours, while an adult title may generaly be 3 to 7 days. So if someone has taken the only adult title (which is usually the case) of the movie you want to see for supposedly the next 7 days for $4-5 nobody else gets to see it until that renter decides to return it within that period of time. If he returns it late, there is very little penalty involved. I have found that abusive and I have spoken against it to video store owners, but they say they have to do it in order to stay in business and please their client base. So tell me, in this situation if the store owner has made $4 (gross, not net) on a movie that may have cost him +$15, but the average person holds on to it for up to 7 days, when does he make his money back and when do other clients get to see it? What do I do, visit the store every day or call to determine whether the movie is back or not? Who has the time/energy to do that? Plot driven adult titles (of the type Vivid, Wicked and other companies make) may be more plentiful in sex shops, but those are "seedy" stores and located in certain areas the general consumer would not set foot on. It is much "easier" to sneak into an adult section of a regular video store and look around for a minutes while picking up some mainstream title. Edited by - Len801 on 4/2/2010 4:08:15 PM Edited by - Len801 on 4/2/2010 4:12:02 PM
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Posted - Apr 2 2010 : 4:19PM
What does the price of blu ray have to do with anything? It is merely a gimmick to get the consumer into a shopping mode. Even so, the prices are very moderate, at lesast in 1980 dollars. If you recall, Beta was very expensive when it first appeared on the market, and subsequently didn't last long.I am sure had someone tried to throw a stone, there would be a stinging follow-up statement from the One who made that statement. Besides these were small villages and everybody knew each other as well as their personal indiscretions. It would have been very difficult/impossible for anyone to have said: "gee I always obey the 10 commandments and I am pure of heart, and I am going to proceed and stone that woman". The crowd was basically caught with their pants down, and was unmasked and undone by its obvious hypocrisy. But I have to agree with the comments above, that we all get very snctimonious wehen it comes down to discussion of "piracy" (plunder for proft) and copyright infringement. Not everything in one's computer, cell phone and what have you was bought and paid for. You have freeware and shareware software, which yours for the grabbing, and yet how many people actually send the developpers of the applications any money for their efforts? What do I do with the software I bought a couple of years back that no longer work or work badly with Windows 7? Who allowed in this day and age copyright for intellectual property to run forever? What is the justification for this? 13 or even 27 years is NOT enough for them to make their money back on a movie? Why is the price of a DVD involving a movie produced 50-60 years ago just about the same for a movie just coming out and which cost $150 million to produce? Who said that a certain actor deserves $20-25 million for one movie (even when he keeps making duds)? What do you do when you bought a DVD and a few weeks or months later the same studio puts out an "extended" or "director's cut" with just 3 minutes more? When they reissue it on blu-ray, do you run out and keep rebuilding your movie library? The music industry was selling 1 good song and 11 other clunkers on a pierce of disc which cost next to nothing to put together. But they were asking $26 for it. Then they weep about "piracy", and claim they are not making money. Is it really necessary to put out a 2-disc adult movie that lasts 3-4 hours? Do I really need to see a sex scene than runs over 45 minutes? Do I really need to see backstage material (basically actresses posing for pictures and yakking about nothing in particular) that goes on for an hour and a half? Keep the material interesting and at a fair price and people will buy into it.
underlined C'on now, "woody",I've got to get me some night sleep now, its 06:18 AM in Mumbai where I'm at right now....and even relatively young guys like myself need to have some cozy bed time,lol. I hope you wont re-drag me into this thread again with the final words that I will give you the pleasure to give.
Actually, in some Islamic countries if your sister, wife or girl on the street breaks Islamic law, you can kill them without any legal penalties. Breaking Islamic law could be as simple as a woman not wearing a shawl over her head, fornicating, and expressing an opinion not supported by Islamic law. Iran, some parts of Afganistan, and Saudi Arabia have these laws currently. I think Kuwait also has these laws in force. Sorry, Woody. I like you, but you walked into this one with two left feet! For the rest of you: Now, please stop using posters as a punching bag! Everyone has an opinion and is allowed to express it in a civil manner, but this thread is getting out of control! The next step is to call/write Stephanie -- we don't really have an accessible list of moderators and their e-mail addresses (maybe we need one to ease the burden on poor Stephanie).
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Posted - Apr 1 2010 : 6:45PM
ADT44.
