Nikki Benz Abused on Brazzers set (page 4)

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pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Dec 27 2016 : 11:54AM Update On The Nikki Benz Assault Allegations (TRPWL) [Link]
Goldstein All-Star Member "You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10	Posted - Dec 27 2016 : 12:59PM ^ I'm told that Nikki said stop at least 4 times..Each time, they stopped. Now, when filming the rougher stuff, after a performer uses the safe word, studios like Kink will place the camera on the ground but will leave it rolling, unfortunately, on Tony's set, each time Nikki told Ramon to stop, the camera was shut off. Click to expand [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Dec 27 2016 : 1:19PM ^Perhaps there are a few seconds of footage of Ramon stopping and moving away from Nikki, and/or Tony stopping the production, followed by the camera cutting. It depends on how quickly Tony stopped rolling after Nikki said stop. However, if Tony is supposed to have choked Nikki (and stomped on her head?) when the camera was off, that specific allegation will remain. [Link]
Melvyn Senior Member 2797 Posts 12/12	Posted - Dec 27 2016 : 2:09PM fanofman wrote: Anyone notice Nikki Benz hasn't tweeted anything negative about Brazzers or Tony T since the Tony T press release? Probably advised not to comment further. Click to expand I wasn't even aware of Tony making any statements. Did you mean Brazzers? [Link]

Mister Fahrenheit All-Star Member Meh 4655 Posts 10/13	Posted - Dec 27 2016 : 2:11PM ^ Tony T.'s statement can be read here. [Link]
Melvyn Senior Member 2797 Posts 12/12	Posted - Dec 27 2016 : 2:17PM Why would they stop recording? It's not like they have to conserve media. Nobody shoots on film anymore, certainly not in porn. Stupid move on their part to omit all the parts where they actually cooperate with Nikki and stop as she tells them to. They could easily cover their asses by keeping the recording going. If they somehow exhaust the storage on their high capacity memory cards, which should be unlikely, they can just swap a new one out. Media is cheap nowadays. What am I not getting? It makes them look either stupid or suspicious. Maybe they just cut recording to make the editing process easier for when the put the final scene together for submission to Brazzers. Still not a smart move when there are issues on set and you are liable. [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Dec 27 2016 : 10:33PM realtip wrote: Did Nikki ever say that she did not consent to the scene? She even said herself that she stated in the post-interview that it was consentual, even though she also said that she was forced to say that to get paid. Click to expand Is this correct? Because if it is, it merits one hell of an eye-roll, in my opinion. [Link]
Melvyn Senior Member 2797 Posts 12/12	Posted - Dec 27 2016 : 11:22PM ^ I want to believe Nikki because I don't see why she would make this up. But I'm having difficulty believing that with her clout, she felt forced to do or say anything she didn't want to "in order to get paid." How much was she going to get for that scene? Is she hurting for the money that bad? Pornstars simply don't get any bigger. If she shows up and submits to whatever they put her through, then I really can't see how anything beyond that is necessary. This would be very different for some young, inexperienced unheard of performer with no influence or power. If such a person was at the center of this scandal, it's a lot easier to imagine them being taken advantage of. But one of the most popular and recognized pornstars of the last 10 years, or even among the most popular pornstars of all time which Nikki is, how the hell do some lackeys make her do what she doesn't want to? If they give her even the slightest shit, all she has to do is complain about them privately and there ought to be repercussions. She has to have way more power than guys almost nobody would recognize. Maybe she just doesn't realize it. Or maybe I am ignorant and grossly overestimating the value of one of the most popular pornstars EVER. I just don't understand how the talent that earns probably 5 times as much as anybody else on set is the most vulnerable one. Sure, Tony and Ramon are talent with certain value, but the two of them combined couldn't be as valuable as Nikki, could they? Maybe I really am overestimating pornstars. But in order to overestimate them, I think they'd have to be super extraordinarily dumb to now realize their value. Honestly, how much are Tony T and Ramon going to net on a scene like this? Is it even close to how much Nikki gets? I am genuinely interested to know how much a director earns on a typical scene like this. A grand? A couple grand? IDK... that seems kinda exorbitant. Could you imagine a top billed actor or actress who producers are investing several times more money in than the director feeling forced to do something they don't want to? Don't productions usually revolve around the talent that has the most opulent rider? If she was mistreated, there is no reason she should feel compelled to state it was consensual. All I can imagine is the recording of consent occurred before the clashing, which ought to nullify the statement if things developed differently from what was stipulated. This is why Kink sets the best example IMO, since the performers express their feelings after scenes are shot. Of course, there could still be manipulation afoot here, but it's at least one more measure of transparency to keep things on the up and up. [Link]
whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11	Posted - Dec 28 2016 : 1:38AM ^ One of things that came up during the Deen fiasco last year was that there's a lot of performers who are/were afraid to take their complaints to Kink corporate (and not just about James), even though Kink gives them every opportunity to do so. They basically think that if they complain about the scene, that they just won't get booked again by Kink. [Link]
shalalin Senior Member 1734 Posts 11/07	Posted - Dec 28 2016 : 4:52AM Melvyn wrote: Sure, Tony and Ramon are talent with certain value, but the two of them combined couldn't be as valuable as Nikki, could they? Click to expand Hard to say, really. On the one hand, female performers are obviously paid much better than the males, but on the other hand the "talent depth" is also much, much greater on the female side so they're a lot more easily replaced. (And directors are presumably hard to replace, too, if you're running a company with as large an output as Brazzers.) I think a lot of people overestimate the relative drawing power of even a top of the line performer like Nikki Benz - it's not the 1990s anymore when a handful of (usually contracted) performers were genuine stars of the business. The shift from DVD-based to web-based porn releases arguably plays a role here, too. Brazzers releases 60 scenes per month, and promotion-wise there's really not that much that distinguishes one scene from the next. Compare that to the DVD release model where four or five scenes are typically grouped by some sort of theme, and some performers are getting clear top billing by being put on the box cover. (Not to mention that even in the DVD heyday, I don't think any single production company was pushing out 12-15 DVD releases per month, only the pure distributors like Evil Angel.) For better or worse, porn production in the web era has a lot more of an assembly line feel to it, and that makes it harder for individual (female) performers to stand out. Edited by - shalalin on 12/28/2016 5:09:05 AM [Link]
whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11	Posted - Dec 28 2016 : 10:23AM shalalin wrote: The shift from DVD-based to web-based porn releases arguably plays a role here, too. Brazzers releases 60 scenes per month, and promotion-wise there's really not that much that distinguishes one scene from the next. Compare that to the DVD release model where four or five scenes are typically grouped by some sort of theme, and some performers are getting clear top billing by being put on the box cover. (Not to mention that even in the DVD heyday, I don't think any single production company was pushing out 12-15 DVD releases per month, only the pure distributors like Evil Angel.) For better or worse, porn production in the web era has a lot more of an assembly line feel to it, and that makes it harder for individual (female) performers to stand out. Edited by - shalalin on 12/28/2016 5:09:05 AM Click to expand While I do think that is true in general, Brazzers does occasionally shoot scenes that they promote more than their others to try to grab a little mainstream attention. Usually, these are parodies of something that's still topical. And the last one they did starred.... you guessed it, Nikki Benz (it was a Final Fantasy 15 parody). [Link]
shalalin Senior Member 1734 Posts 11/07	Posted - Dec 28 2016 : 2:07PM whatsatelephonebill wrote: While I do think that is true in general, Brazzers does occasionally shoot scenes that they promote more than their others to try to grab a little mainstream attention. Usually, these are parodies of something that's still topical. And the last one they did starred.... you guessed it, Nikki Benz (it was a Final Fantasy 15 parody). Click to expand Fair point. That's probably a sign of the times in how porn stardom is perceived now (or defined) - not as being a big name within the porn business itself, but as having recognition for something from porn in the greater entertainment landscape. I'll have to admit, I never really got this "Nikki Benz is a huge porn star" vibe, but I'm biased because I don't really care much about this pseudo-mainstreaming of porn, which Nikki is clearly a big part of. (Brazzers' "Break the Internet" parody also comes to mind, I suppose.) I suspect this still doesn't do much to reduce female performers' replaceability in porn, though. It's probably more relevant for getting a porn performer's foot in other entertainment doors if she so wishes. Edited by - shalalin on 12/28/2016 2:17:43 PM [Link]
ultimate_sperminator Deactivated User 837 Posts 12/12	Posted - Dec 28 2016 : 5:47PM MOD: If you want to discuss Tony T. as a performer, please do so in his thread. If he doesn't have one you can make one. This thread is specifically for the alleged Brazzers incident Edited by - Flash on 12/29/2016 9:19:09 AM [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Dec 28 2016 : 5:53PM ^ We get it. You have a boner for Tony T and don't care whether he assaulted a performer. [Link]

Melvyn Senior Member 2797 Posts 12/12	Posted - Dec 28 2016 : 6:21PM whatsatelephonebill wrote: ^ One of things that came up during the Deen fiasco last year was that there's a lot of performers who are/were afraid to take their complaints to Kink corporate (and not just about James), even though Kink gives them every opportunity to do so. They basically think that if they complain about the scene, that they just won't get booked again by Kink. Click to expand If we're talking about young and inexperienced performers, of course that pressure can be a huge problem. But Kink seems pretty transparent and fair. I find it difficult to believe they're setting girls (or guys for that matter) up without letting them know what is in store for them. That's not professional. Complaints would be cropping up inevitably. Agents would be the first to hear about it. If something really bad happens, it's almost impossible to keep a lid on. Someone will complain. The fact that Kink severed ties with Deen almost immediately in the wake of last year's commotion, even before the dust settled, should say they take it very seriously. So it leaves us to wonder where the performers are getting the idea they must subject themselves to things not agreed upon ahead of time in shooting for Kink. Maybe the agents and Deen colluded to take advantage of them? IDK... But the question here is not dealing with young and inexperienced performers with no pull. Nikki doesn't get bossed around. She is the star, so it ought to be she gets to boss them around. They should be accommodating her. [Link]
Melvyn Senior Member 2797 Posts 12/12	Posted - Dec 28 2016 : 6:25PM I'd really like to see a pie chart which shows us the breakdown of how much each component of a porn shoot costs as a piece of the whole production cost. [Link]
Eva93 Member 774 Posts 2/16	Posted - Dec 28 2016 : 6:27PM It really bothered me that in that piece mentioned earlier that Dana said her agent told her to keep quiet about what this guy did to her on set. Between that and the shady connections at the time last year with the whole Deen thing, it really shows how much pressure is on female talent to keep quiet to keep working. Hopefully this starts changing soon. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Dec 28 2016 : 8:38PM ultimate_sperminator wrote: MOD: Removed Click to expand Von Swine's and many other comments from those in the industry make it pretty clear that Tony T was as popular as botulism before this story even broke. Edited by - flash on 12/30/2016 10:40:48 AM [Link]
Captain Jack All-Star Member 5094 Posts 12/09	Posted - Dec 29 2016 : 8:03AM Ultimate Sperminator is just trolling now. [Link]
realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04	Posted - Dec 29 2016 : 8:35AM BlackSix wrote: There's no point in engaging with realtip on this subject, just check his desperate defense of Clover in the previously linked thread as well as Warmachine and pretty much any and all men accused and found guilty of abuse of women. This is also the guy who in a debate about Max Hardcore stated he didn't care if a performers limits were ignored and she was in real distress in a scene as long as he could jerk off to it. When it comes to abuse accusations you always know what side he's going to take, even after convictions and the perpetuator has admitted and apologized for their crime he'll still act as an apologist for them. He literally only comes to ADT now to defend men who beat up women and attack gay marriage. Don't feed his trolling by responding to his pathetic rationalizations. Click to expand There's so much stupidity in this post I don't know where to begin. But let's try. Defending someone and questioning accusations are two different things. I know there are porn fans who, because they are porn fans, are apt to believe anything that comes out of a female performer's mouth as if it's infallible gospel. But believe it or not, people lie, and that includes pornstars. Many men have had their lives ruined based on nothing more than an allegation from a woman, only to find out later that the allegation was untrue. So yes, I question these types of allegations, especially in the absence of proof. Unfortunately, these pornstars know that as soon as they issue forth an accusation, no matter how true or false it may be, that they will have hundreds of fanboys jumping out of the woodwork to their defense without even bothering to hear both sides of the story, or waiting for proof. And anyone who dares to question such accusations is met with animosity from these fanboys, hence your post. For Clover, I said that I met him, he was a nice guy, and that I had seen no proof at the time to back up the accusations against him. And when the hell did I ever defend War Machine? Please provide a quote. Hell, I'll even settle for a paraphrase. Of course, you can't because you are a barefaced liar. So rather than wait for you to find something that I posted to twist, I'll summarize what I said about War Machine and Christy Mack. To the contrary, I acknowledged that the guy had a history of abuse, and stated my lack of surprise of the situation given that history of abuse. I questioned her decision to stay with him given all the rumors that he had been beating her up way before the last time it happened. I also expressed my thoughts on of the the donations page that was created for her by questioning whether or not the donations were legitimately needed, or just a way to get money from her fans. To a sensible person, this is not at all the same as defending abusers, but you don't appear very sensible. As for Max Hardcore, it is true that I like his porn, and I still hold that he was railroaded by a government agenda which everyone here should have opposed. However, I don't remember ever saying I "didn't care if a performers limits were ignored and she was in real distress." Of course, I don't have the patience to comb through the forum looking through every single post that I ever wrote about Max Hardcore. Since you seem to be more familiar with what I post, I again ask that you please provide evidence for your slander. Again, being a sensible person, I operate on proof, not unsubstantiated accusations. Prove to us that you're not a liar. By the way, skepticism of the severity of these Nikki Benz accusations are not isolated to me. I have spoken to others within the industry who share this skepticism. Of course, they're not going to be crazy enough to get on Twitter and social media and say that, lest they have to deal with the hordes of fanboys wanting to run them out of their livelihood. But suffice it to say that I have heard other perspectives of this story that make these accusations questionable. Yes, everyone agrees that Tony T. is a jerk. But from what I've heard about him, he's always been a jerk, so I'm surprised he has managed to keep his job at Brazzers for as long as he has. But just because he may be a jerk doesn't automatically make her right either. Perhaps the fact that he's widely regarded as a jerk just makes him the perfect target. One theory I heard from someone in the industry is that Nikki probably just wants to get out of porn, and this is her way to do it. It's my understanding that she is under contract with Brazzers, so she can't just quit without breaking the contract and having possible financial/legal repercussions for doing so. So, maybe this is an OTT way to get Brazzers to let her go. One industry insider even said to me, "It's a shame what Nikki is doing to Brazzers." I wasn't on that set, and I don't know what happened. But I do know that she wasn't raped because she consented to be there. Not only that, but she stayed, finished the scene, and collected her paycheck, despite the fact that she could have left at anytime. As one of the biggest female pornstars in the industry who has been around for more than a decade, I don't believe for a moment that she wasn't aware of these options. I have difficulty believing that, as a veteran performer and contracted spokesmodel for Brazzers, she couldn't just get on the phone to someone at Brazzers and let them know that one of their directors was being an asshole, and that she refuses to shoot for him. Instead, she waits until the scene is over, and then gets on Twitter to publicly complain that she was traumatized by a few slaps during a rough sex scene. Something about that sounds strange, and there are quite a few in the industry who would agree, even many who can't stand Tony. Edited by - realtip on 12/29/2016 8:46:57 AM [Link]
MikeSilva95 Deactivated User 152 Posts 8/16	Posted - Dec 29 2016 : 8:41AM Quorrl wrote: pringles wrote: A Famous Porn Star Claims She Was Raped On Set. Will She Receive Justice? (Aurora Snow/Daily Beast) Click to expand Again, no mentioning of the male performer...neither name nor discussion of his role. Strange why he is not discussed. Click to expand Perhaps this accusation was to get at Brazzers or Tony T himself over a personal vendetta. It's certainly a great way to get out of a contract that you no longer want to be binded to. Just my conspiracy theory... [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Dec 29 2016 : 9:20AM So apparently the director stopped the camera multiple times in the middle of a scene with no reason right before the offence? That's odd. There's nothing filmed with her stopping the scene because, the camera was off but the scene wasn't it would seem, and , of course everything happened off camera. Also Tony T statement looks very suspicious , basically he reviewed all his footage before making a statement which is even more odd , either something happened or didn't happen , you don't need to "review the raw footage" ,you should know, if nothing happened you just say that, you wouldn't need to review anything , if you do either you want to make sure there's nothing in there or just remove what you need to remove. It is at least weird that he stopped rolling losing part of the scene and even more so without saying that to the performers, also this happened four times? and every time he wasted part of the footage happening on set? I don't buy this, could be even worse than it already looks , it seems premeditated , you stop rolling because you don't want any evidence about what you're going to do Edited by - LCF on 12/29/2016 9:24:21 AM [Link]
Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01	Posted - Dec 29 2016 : 9:22AM MOD: Don't attack each other. [Link]
ultimate_sperminator Deactivated User 837 Posts 12/12	Posted - Dec 30 2016 : 7:23AM MOD: You were told in the thread and via PM that if you have this big a hard-on for Tony T. to post in his thread about your love for him or to start one if none existed. You have come back again stroking your cock for him and his actions so you are now banned from the thread. Edited by - flash on 12/30/2016 10:38:54 AM [Link]

ultimate_sperminator Deactivated User 837 Posts 12/12	Posted - Dec 30 2016 : 7:26AM MOD: You were told in the thread and via PM that if you have this big a hard-on for Tony T. to post in his thread about your love for him or to start one if none existed. You have come back again stroking your cock for him and his actions so you are now banned from the thread. Edited by - flash on 12/30/2016 10:40:08 AM [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Dec 30 2016 : 10:29AM ultimate_sperminator wrote: MOD: Removed Click to expand Talk about showing your ass. Edited by - flash on 12/30/2016 10:39:21 AM [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Dec 30 2016 : 12:08PM ultimate_sperminator wrote: You have come back again stroking your cock for him Click to expand [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Dec 30 2016 : 2:08PM Edited by - BlackSix on 12/30/2016 2:10:09 PM [Link]
Lanthan2 Deactivated User 6 Posts 9/11	Posted - Dec 30 2016 : 5:46PM MOD: You were banned from this thread and this forum today. Goodbye. Edited by - flash on 12/30/2016 8:09:00 PM [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Dec 31 2016 : 11:05AM Nikki Benz: I'll be releasing an official statement next year aka in a few days. Thank you for all of your support. The truth always prevails. [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Dec 31 2016 : 4:17PM Yeah, those "official statements" take weeks to write and proof-read and spellcheck and so on, so I'm sure this totally isn't a negotiation ploy. Two now . . . [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Dec 31 2016 : 5:37PM ^ Well an official statement should be drafted with the input and advice of a lawyer so while shouldn't it take a while? Edited by - BlackSix on 1/4/2017 12:47:25 AM [Link]
Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01	Posted - Dec 31 2016 : 8:25PM And probably written with the help of a publicist. Some people don't just Tweet their repsonses from the toilet you know. [Link]
Aya Senior Member All The Cool Girls Are Lesbians 7439 Posts 6/14	Posted - Jan 1 2017 : 4:24PM Hmm, I wonder what will happen as her role as Judge on DP star after all this. [Link]

vimesk Member 177 Posts 4/14	Posted - Jan 1 2017 : 6:29PM First of all I would like to say that no one should assault any women on set or of period. But I have a feeling there is more to this story then meets the eye, first of all brazzers didn't sign nikki to a contract for her services as they already had plenty of it as I think she had done around 80 scenes for them before signing. But they signed her because of her massive social media following and I think both parties regret signing her as her viewcount on brazzers doesn't stand out compared to the rest of the scenes they release, just take december her latest scene is just the 9th most watched scene for that month with phoenix marie having the most watched scene. Is it one thing we learned last year is that the porn stars of yesteryear doesn't always equals sales, as the whole jules jordan/ jesse jane contract fiasco. There is also one thing we also know about about benz is that she loves to stir up some drama and lay it all out there on twitter and always so we only hear her side of the story, as we know there must be two start an arguement. But in the end maybe the best for both parties is that they the contract as neither benz or brazzers got anything they wanted out of it [Link]
Dat_1_Dude Senior Member 1779 Posts 1/15	Posted - Jan 1 2017 : 10:34PM ^ her presence outside of shooting scenes is what they use her for. She's climbed in the stratosphere of being a recognizable face in non porn functions When Mindgeek isnt cooking their own numbers, there are many fans that use hacks to skew scene ratings And your popularity argument is invalid when you use Phoenix Marie, Phoenix has been in the game for over a decade as well. Sometimes, the other people involved in the scene can cause a scene to tank or whatever. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Jan 2 2017 : 5:11PM ì Popular in this case means sales , no hacker can improve such numbers [Link]
wanka Senior Member 1678 Posts 5/13	Posted - Jan 3 2017 : 4:21AM vimesk wrote: First of all I would like to say that no one should assault any women on set or of period. But I have a feeling there is more to this story then meets the eye, first of all brazzers didn't sign nikki to a contract for her services as they already had plenty of it as I think she had done around 80 scenes for them before signing. But they signed her because of her massive social media following and I think both parties regret signing her as her viewcount on brazzers doesn't stand out compared to the rest of the scenes they release, just take december her latest scene is just the 9th most watched scene for that month with phoenix marie having the most watched scene. Is it one thing we learned last year is that the porn stars of yesteryear doesn't always equals sales, as the whole jules jordan/ jesse jane contract fiasco. There is also one thing we also know about about benz is that she loves to stir up some drama and lay it all out there on twitter and always so we only hear her side of the story, as we know there must be two start an arguement. But in the end maybe the best for both parties is that they the contract as neither benz or brazzers got anything they wanted out of it Click to expand This chain of thought came to my mind as well. Is her contract with Brazzers over or was it coming to an end?She was definitely no match for Peta Jensen as their official partner and Peta's scenes had high viewcounts as compared to Benz.But as another poster mentioned that may not be a right way of judging her success. Has a police complaint been filed now? [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Jan 4 2017 : 12:49AM ^ So if a woman says she was assaulted your 'line of thinking' is to suspect a far fetched financial motive with no reasonable evidence or motivation? Okay... [Link]
Dread Senior Member Latex and boobs 5085 Posts 3/07	Posted - Jan 4 2017 : 1:51AM When it comes to sexual assault and abuse people will do so many mental gymnastics to absolve the accused and blame the accuser/victim. Honestly its nothing new man. ----Dread's Twitter---- Edited by - dread on 1/4/2017 1:52:18 AM [Link]
Grond010 Senior Member 2269 Posts 1/14	Posted - Jan 4 2017 : 3:20AM We don't know what exactly happened, it's just one word against another. [Link]
Mister Fahrenheit All-Star Member Meh 4655 Posts 10/13	Posted - Jan 4 2017 : 3:42AM ^ Is it though? According to this article there were four other other people on set aside from Ramon and Tony T. As far as I know, none of them have corroborated Nikki's version of events. There are a lot of reasons they could all be lying but I don't think it's correct to call this a strictly, "He said, She said" type scenario. Also, any update on when and how Tony T. plans to release the supposedly exonerating footage to journalists? If Nikki catches flak for taking time to prepare a statement, it's only fair to ask what the hold-up is on Tony T.'s end. [Link]
wanka Senior Member 1678 Posts 5/13	Posted - Jan 4 2017 : 4:51AM Ooh BlackSix hold your horses! I said that train of thoughts came to my mind.I didn't say i believed it totally or was convinced by it completely.Hence why i proceeded to ask about the contract and her success at Brazzers or lack of it and the overall economics of the situation.There is no need for the ad hominem because i didn't look at her completely as a damsel in distress and alluded to some rationality behind her actions.I can understand the emotional response of believing her a 100% but i do think we should cover all corners before a judgment.If i came across as judgmental then i should apologise but that was definitely not my intent. [Link]
whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11	Posted - Jan 4 2017 : 4:54AM ^^ Nikki is/was on vacation in Bali since basically the day after the incident. That's probably why she doesn't have a statement ready. Tony, on the other hand, really doesn't have much of an excuse outside of wanting to get whatever ducks he has in a row. Edited by - whatsatelephonebill on 1/4/2017 4:55:40 AM [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Jan 4 2017 : 8:21AM Grond010 wrote: We don't know what exactly happened, it's just one word against another. Click to expand We never know ,especially when we do want to know , there's people who accept as a word of reason in favor of the assaulter a simple "but" [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Jan 4 2017 : 8:28AM Mister Fahrenheit wrote: ^ Is it though? According to [invalid URL removed]this article there were four other other people on set aside from Ramon and Tony T. As far as I know, none of them have corroborated Nikki's version of events. There are a lot of reasons they could all be lying but I don't think it's correct to call this a strictly, "He said, She said" type scenario. Also, any update on when and how Tony T. plans to release the supposedly exonerating footage to journalists? If Nikki catches flak for taking time to prepare a statement, it's only fair to ask what the hold-up is on Tony T.'s end. Click to expand Well nobody intervened , nobody said nothing , nobody went to the police, if this was indeed an assault and since it involved unwillig sex if they don't corroborate Tony T they might be seen as accomplices in a criminal offense Also he "reviewed his raw footage" and as he said the camera was off when the alleged facts happened. how is it normal for a director/cameraman to turn off the camera while the performers are performing with no other word? 4 times? I'd like to know how many times he turns off the camera on average during a shoot , I mean not just cuts in post production, he turned it off completely Also how many cameras where there? where them all turned off ? If this thing came out the same day I wouldn't be so suspicvious but it came out much later , days later and with a laughable explanation. We have to review our raw material to see what happened. Really? She said you stomped her head and choke her multiple times , and you have to watch the raw footage to know whether you did that or not? How is it possible that you don't know that for sure yourself? Edited by - LCF on 1/4/2017 8:37:26 AM [Link]
Mister Fahrenheit All-Star Member Meh 4655 Posts 10/13	Posted - Jan 4 2017 : 1:01PM LCF wrote: Well nobody intervened , nobody said nothing , nobody went to the police, if this was indeed an assault and since it involved unwillig sex if they don't corroborate Tony T they might be seen as accomplices in a criminal offense. Click to expand Yep, that's one of the many reasons I alluded to. As for why four people would potentially go along with something so horrific, social science has shown that people are capable of assenting to horrible acts in situations where an authority figure tells them to. See for example, the Stanford prison experiment. So it's possible they were all complicit. But it's also possible they're telling the truth. Also he "reviewed his raw footage" and as he said the camera was off when the alleged facts happened. how is it normal for a director/cameraman to turn off the camera while the performers are performing with no other word? 4 times? I'd like to know how many times he turns off the camera on average during a shoot , I mean not just cuts in post production, he turned it off completely Also how many cameras where there? where them all turned off ? Click to expand If his recollection of the events was that he stopped the scene every time Nikki said she wanted to stop, I could see him checking the raw footage just to make sure he didn't miss an instance of her saying it. Like if it was under her breathe and he didn't hear it. I'm also interested in whether turning off the camera during a cut is standard practice on Tony T.'s set. If he releases the raw footage of other scenes he has filmed and it's shown that he always turns off the camera during cuts, it would definitely lessen the suspicions that the camera was turned off to cover up something nefarious. But I'm beginning to seriously doubt this supposedly exonerating footage will ever see the light of day. Even if it does corroborate the crew's version of events, there are many reasons a lawyer would advise them not to release it before a trial commences. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Jan 4 2017 : 5:28PM wanka wrote: Ooh BlackSix hold your horses! I said that train of thoughts came to my mind.I didn't say i believed it totally or was convinced by it completely.Hence why i proceeded to ask about the contract and her success at Brazzers or lack of it and the overall economics of the situation.There is no need for the ad hominem because i didn't look at her completely as a damsel in distress and alluded to some rationality behind her actions.I can understand the emotional response of believing her a 100% but i do think we should cover all corners before a judgment.If i came across as judgmental then i should apologise but that was definitely not my intent. Click to expand I don't believe that one has to automatically accept the accuser's word but best to not start inventing malicious reasons for the accusation without evidence or reason to do so outisde of conjecture and imagination. [Link]
Aya Senior Member All The Cool Girls Are Lesbians 7439 Posts 6/14	Posted - Jan 4 2017 : 5:37PM You have to wonder about those who automatically side against the victim even though generally, history is on a woman's side in these situations. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Jan 4 2017 : 6:00PM Mister Fahrenheit wrote: But it's also possible they're telling the truth. Click to expand true and yet there's a doubt about their testimony , at the very least they risk their job [Link]