Oh yeah, and I hate it when a pretty gal gets a great facial and the idiot male uses his cock to rub her face afterwards and dislodges the cum or spreads it about so she's no longer wearing an excellent facial. That's just plain dumb.
I don't like it when women just hike up their clothes, and never take them off throughout the whole scene. Examples are when they lift up their bras to show their tits or have their bellies covered by the skirts. I want to see them completely naked at least halfway into the scene.
Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - Oct 14 2010 : 8:39AM
I don't know where you two are finding all these sycophants, but they aren't on this forum. Most of what you complain about porn customers accepting uncritically has been roundly criticised by many in this thread alone, not to mention whenever else this subject has come up. Of course, for everything like breast implants, poor editing, directorial interference, etc. that is routinely condemned by many, there will be others who defend it. That is the nature of any popular media. One can certainly opine that some porn fans have odd tastes in porn, but to lump us all together as ass kissers and mooks because some of us don't agree with you just dismisses you as snobs and your opinion as arrogant, conceited, and uninformed.
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Posted - Oct 14 2010 : 12:10PM
yeah, and then they cut up to the guy for some brilliant color commentary like he is who we want to see.
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On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09
Posted - Oct 14 2010 : 12:13PM
Actually, you proved his point quite nicely with your post.
I have the same hesitation about most g/g stuff as you do but keep in mind there are two distinctly different audiences/sensibilities that g/g , (or as u call it, "lesbian") stuff is shot to appeal to, the heterosexual male market, and the authentic lesbian market. These two audiences like different stuff. Having said that, I love edgier g/g stuff which is why i shoot BITCHCRAFT and why the movie I'm shooting now is "TEENS CORRUPTED" The predatory cougar edition which will be g/g but more aggressive and fetish oriented than the standard "kissy face" as I refer to it, g/g. Like "Bitchcraft." I'm sure there will be people who will say, "I hate it when a director says there are "cougars" in a movie and then has girls who probably aren't even 30 playing the "cougar" role". Well I know girls 18 yrs old who have kids, and are hot, so aren't they "milfs"? Yes. But if someone casts them as a MILF, people in this thread would probably complain it was inauthentic. Ya see what I mean? How old is a "cougar" anyway? Its impossible to cater to everyones likes and dislikes. Some things are universally bad, terrible lighting, way over the top, fake exclamations. "OH FUCK ME WITH YOUR GIANT DICK" when the guy is not even big, stuff like that. But with g/g for instance, there is an avid school of thought that insists ANY TOY in the scene ruins it, and there are those who love strap-on g/g, etc. So I can only authentically shoot that which actually turns ME on. What works for me is not so much "toys or no toys", its chemistry. If a g/g power-exchange scene works for me it can be really violent like the Sandra Romaine/Melissa Lauren scene I shot for Red Light In "BE MY BITCH" or almost entirely psychological, like the Bobbi Starr/ Sasha Grey scene in Bitchcraft #4 . Entirely different vibes but both work for me. I appreciate that some fans take their fetishistic demands for EXACTLY what should be, (or not be) in a scene very seriously, but it would put a shooter in an impossible position to try to cater to all of you porniacs! LOL I never tire of power exchange sex between hot girls and it's a niche that not many people shoot so it's even more appealing to me as a shooter. Warning! There will be some toys in some scenes! Thanx 4 Watching!
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Posted - Oct 15 2010 : 1:00PM
You'll pardon me if I'm not devastated by your "argument" as you think I'm a mook whether I post or not.
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See there you go again, telling someone what they think. I've never said or thought any such thing. The most I've really ever said was that you're extremely long winded and maybe a blowhard for saying things in 500 words when you could say them in 50. But you actually did prove the guy's argument quite nicely.
See there you go again, telling someone what they think. I've never said or thought any such thing. The most I've really ever said was that you're extremely long winded and maybe a blowhard for saying things in 500 words when you could say them in 50. But you actually did prove the guy's argument quite nicely.
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How? Your comment made no sense to me. Please explain how he proved the guy's point.
Not necessarily a dislike but a preference. I would rather directors allow foreign girls dirty talk in their native tongue. I remember a scene with Lex Steele/Anna Nova and Nova was dirty talking in German the whole scene. It was HOT. I've seen Lex do that a couple of times w/ othe girls. Instead when the Euro/foreign girls dirty talk it sounds a little unnatural and forced sometimes. Takes away from their uniqueness and makes them sound more generic. Im dreaming of Rebecca Linares scene where she's dirty talking in Spanish, because that would be hot.
[ Most of what you complain about porn customers accepting uncritically has been roundly criticised by many in this thread alone, not to mention whenever else this subject has come up. Of course, for everything like breast implants, poor editing, directorial interference, etc. that is routinely condemned by many, there will be others who defend it. That is the nature of any popular media. One can certainly opine that some porn fans have odd tastes in porn, but to lump us all together as ass kissers and mooks because some of us don't agree with you just dismisses you as snobs and your opinion as arrogant, conceited, and uninformed. [/quote] Denial is a river in Egypt
I'll give you a specific example of what I'm talking about. A while back I had a post rejected by the moderators b/c I commented that Raylene's return showed her overweight, out of shape with tits lumpier than my grandmother's gravy. The return of starlets way past their prime is one of the biggest reasons for the poor quality of too much porn. Censoring that observation, even if I could have put it maybe a little more tactfully, is what I mean about the industry catering to the slobbering mooks. And I understand that the moderators have a lot to sift through and don't want this forum to devolve into the vicious bitchfights that ruined RAME but this "it's all good" mentality isn't in the long term interest of the consumer especially as smut shops keep trimming their porn racks as it is. Not everything is great epseically when it comes to porn. Becuase, ultimately, without ugly how can we truly admire beauty?
But see that's the thing, Torris. If you had put it more tactfully (and there is no "maybe" there, you definitely could have done so), it wouldn't have been censored. The censoring had nothing to do with "catering to the slobbering mooks", it was about being respectful of a person - a living, breathing individual - who reads this board.
Ha ha, you must have been pretty close already.... [if i could find the original post you quoted, i would delete it too. no need to recycle insults.] Edited by - savoy on 11/12/2010 4:27:26 AM
MILFs is by far the worst trend to happen in porn the past decade. edit. Keep that stuff on the bottom rack of the corner of the smut shack along with the amputee and fat girl porn [mod edit: your opinions are what they are, but no need to drag a particular woman's name into this.] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 11/13/2010 10:13:35 AM
To the mod(s) I read Torris' unedited post (^) and he merely said a 'particular MILF Star' is "box cover poison". I'm interested in the rationale for the edit, bearing in mind:
in Torris' second to most recent post (^^^^^^) he seems to make far worse and more personal remarks about a different returning (MILF) starlet - but see Torris' rejected post;
in an earlier post to this thread, Obo (Sep 15 2010 at 07:47:14 pm) is possibly more negative - than Torris (^) was - about other stars, namely Kylie Ireland and Janine, who, due to their age (if not their parental status, unknown to me), could also be considered MILFs;
in other threads, for example(s) Overrated Underrated and Insanely Hot, but the sex not so much, numerous MILF/non-MILF porn stars receive more bitter criticism (Jenna Jameson and Tera Patrick being prominent subjects) than that meted out to the 'particular MILF Star', reference to whom was edited from Torris' most recent post.
The 'particular MILF Star' is actually one of my top 10 pornstars of all time, and I'm a fan of the Milf genre, so I didn't necessarily agree with Torris. Moreover, it may have been the case that, due to her currently pre-eminent status within the genre, Torris was just using the 'particular MILF star' as one example of whose appearance(s) on a box cover would turn him off; there may be other stars - Francesca Le, Julia Ann (over both of whom I personally can drool for hours) - who have the same poisonous effect upon Torris. My concerns are that:
due to her 'currently pre-eminent status' criticisms of the 'particular MILF star' are now specifically censored in ADT; and
this querying of moderator intervention marks me down as a candidate for deactivation.
I am conscious my concerns could be interpreted as provocative, a potentially over-the-top response to the edit of Torris' last post, and I could have possibly dealt with this be e-mailing the mod, but, hey, I'm just 'putting it out there' - hopefully, in a reasonable, respectful and polite fashion. I don't necessarily expect a reply from the mod(s), though a reasoned explanation would be appreciated and respected. Cheers PS: Apologies to Torris if you consider my sensitivity on your behalf as being unnecessary and somewhat pathetic... Actually, upon reviewing my post to 'top 10 pornstars of all time', the 'particular MILF star' does not feature - she is one of my favorites nevertheless, and would definitely feature in my all-time top 25... Edited by - Sexy Sadie on 11/15/2010 4:01:37 AM
Right there with you buddy. In fact I made a thread about the very same issue not too long ago. I wanted to try and get a sort of list going which has scenes in which the girls speak in their own language, so I will have to look up that scene you were talking about. You got a title for it? Anyway, you might want to check out Cumaholics 1. There is a scene with Sativa Rose and Rebecca Linares and it is gold dust, they speak Spanish throughout and it is awesome, one of my favourites. Why don't pornstars speak in their mother tongue?
@Sexy Sadie: since I'm the mod that edited the post in question, I guess I'll answer this one. First let me note though, that in the future a better way to get answers from the mods is to use the "Email Moderators" command at the bottom of the page. 1. Your link to Torris's other post that was more insulting didn't work for me - likely because you have your forum settings set to a different size page than I do. Make sure that you take the link directly from the post itself, and not from your browser's address bar. 2. The reason some comments may not have been edited that to you seemed more negative than the one in question is probably because I didn't see them. I can't read everything, and can usually only respond to comments when they are brought to my attention - again, using the "Email Moderators" command at the bottom of the page. I will try to check out some of the ones you've mentioned now. 3. There is a time and a place for specific comments. While I wasn't a fan of the "Overrated/Underrated" thread from the get-go, it was decided that it would be allowed to stand; and in a place like that, it is inevitable that negativity towards a specific performer is verbalized. Here, however, it is not inevitable. Nothing was taken away from Torris's post by removing the woman's name whom he referred to as "boxcover poison". Having said that, I would also like to address the idea that she above others is somehow being 'protected' here at ADT. Nothing is further from the truth. If anything, we probably try harder to eliminate the inappropriate statements made towards performers that are ADT members (like Kylie Ireland, whom you mentioned) than non-ADT members (like the woman in question). That is probably the only bias that might ever come through in terms of performers we look out for - but even then, I would say that it is quite small. In general, we as mods do our best to ensure that the forum etiquette (in this case, the 3rd paragraph) is adhered to as best possible. 4. I think your two main concerns are unfounded, however I do think you should email the mods, as you mentioned you ought to have done, in the future, when you have such worries.
Thanks killbill for taking the time and making the effort to respond 'publicly' to my concerns. I take your point regarding the difference between 'Overrated/Underrated' and this thread, in terms of the nature of comments likely to be posted. I'm also appreciative of the technical advice regarding the method for linking to other posts - being a relative newbie (and this is the only forum I'm a member of) some things are a matter of trial and error. Regarding the substance of my concerns, I'm gratified to know the edit of Torris' post was not motivated by special treatment of the 'particular MILF star', and that, generally, 'favoritism' is not a factor when editing posts - bearing in mind the (minor) ADT/non-ADT distinction. By the by, I would never say anything negative about Kylie Ireland (ADT member or not); she is a total goddess as far as I'm concerned. In future I will address any concerns to moderators via e-mail. Gratitude to all moderators for the work they do...
Boy am I glad I discovered this thread. I spent some time reading the posts and decided to throw in my 2 cents worh... I hate to see a woman spit on. I don't mind if a woman spits on a cock to lube it for a little hand stroking, but spitting in the face is a huge turn off for me. Face slapping (see above -- same issue). Directors who talk during scenes. If you need to do commentary, put it in the DVD extras. Any video that starts out with guys in a car/truck/van/SUV cruising for chicks. Misleading box covers or descriptions. I've been watching porn since the early 70's and THAT has been a consistent problem from day one. I hate being played for a sucker. Fortuntely, I've learned which production houses are prone to that kind of crap and I just avoid their stuff altogether. So-called "amateur" porn that is anything but. Girl-Girl vids with women who are "gay for pay." Most "toy" scenes.
The "follow the leader" mentality when it comes to things like anal, creampies, felching, swallowing, etc. Once someone does it, EVERYONE has to do it and another arms race begins. I would write more, but my keyboard is acting up.
Caroline Cage - my All Time Fave (img from Twistys.com) 10 Posts 12/10
Posted - Dec 9 2010 : 6:13PM
I agree with these sentiments. The spitting-on and face slapping just really turn me off. Really, its anything that looks "rough" or approaches "violent". Even hard spanking that leaves the cheeks red. I also find toys like dildos and vibes to be ...errr....just not exciting. I dig lesbo and female masturbating scenes with kissing or just tongues/fingers, but the toys get in the way. Yet, I do like some of the soft-core bondage out there where the woman is tied, or suspended, and a vibe is left against their clit, getting them off.....guess I'm weirdly specific I also can't stand Black-Hole-sized Gapes....you know, like when some huge dude is anally nailing a chick, then pulls out and the camera zooms in on the gaper that's left, while the dudes yell and laugh. I mean, I love anal, love watching chicks taking huge dicks, even fisting, and love creampies...pussy or anal, but I don't want to see into the colon, ya know? Actually, that goes for speculums in the pussy, too.
screaming in silence strains my voice. 9 Posts 12/10
Posted - Dec 9 2010 : 7:18PM
I love all porn. I make money off anything the goverment says is "legal" I wish pornstars were as sweet as they portray themselves. Live in blissful ignorance of not knowing they are airheads. Some not all.The only thing I hate about porn is this; My dick is not nearly as big. not even close.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Dec 9 2010 : 7:24PM
So true, instantly boring and annoying.
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476 Posts 1/10
Posted - Dec 9 2010 : 7:37PM
I was watching Ava Rose doing some butt tease and really enjoying it when suddenly a naked dude appears and sticks his freaking ugly head in her butt. The next 5 minutes were nothing but dude-face. Elegant Angel is famous for this.
Ten years ago I would have not let this go, but in the interest of "collegiality" it's lame but meh? The thing that has pissed me off on this group was when I queried about a recent HIV outbreak and I pissed in somebody's conflakes b/c I wasn't up to date on the ten thousand messages a day that are posted here in the three dozen forums. Moderator leeway needs to be given to those of us who are casual observers of this group and don't have time or energy to be up to date. I don't tweet. I asked a legitimate question and was treated like I was starting a flame war.
Sorry if this one has already been mentioned but it's fresh in my mind and I've got to mention it. I watched California Anal Girls last night and at least one of the performers had razor burns/blisters/pimples on her ass. It's sometime only on the girls backside but it's also common near and around the vagina. We see this more and more in movies these days. It's always been at least a big distraction and often a major turn off. There has to be makeup that can hide these pimples.
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"I'm Not Here To Suck My Own Cock!" 2145 Posts 5/10
Posted - Dec 9 2010 : 9:39PM
Squirting. First few times I saw it, I actually thought it was kind of cool but any more it way over done for my taste. Most times I think the girl is just pissing. Totally kills a hot scene for me.
I want to see less sex on the side/spooning. With rare exceptions its almost like a "rest" position so that both performers can catch their breath. But the good hard fucking stops - and good hard fucking is what I'm paying to watch. I will add a caveat that if it's going to be done, it can't be done for creampies (anal or vag) and not for the better part of the scene. Quick breathers are okay, but let's get back to the action.
When it comes to porn chicks, I love the whole virginal fairy god mother thing they got going on. Somehow they pull it off. But there's no ignoring some of the craven acceptance seeking behaviors they fall into. Beyond that, what I dislike most about porn these days is 1) cuckoldry 2) disruptive directors and 3) parodies.
Gravity as Curved Space: Bootymeister's Theory of General Relativity 1589 Posts 11/08
Posted - Dec 10 2010 : 10:50PM
Lack of an opening tease segment and tease segments which are too short. Let me really get into her looks. Ler her seduce me first or make me want to fuck bad before she starts fucking that dude.
Gangbangs and DP of any kind. I'm just not a fan of more cocks than vags. One thing I can't stand is when there is a scene with two guys and two girls and the guys start to DP on chick leaving the other twiddling her thumbs. That's just annoying as hell. Why the fuck would anyone want to share a girl when you can have your own?
+1. That dropping loads signature of his makes me not rent or buy anything if he is with a girl I favor. Retarded. If he shot a wad cannon like Peter North or even someone like Jules I might give him a pass. But he's sort of a dribbler so get over yourself.
^You might go back and scan the rest of this thread. He's got to be in here somewhere. He's got to be. As for Nick Manning. It's not so much "Droppin' Loads!" that really irks me. I mean, that would be bad enough. It's the endless stream of stupidity that issues from his mouth. Man, shut up. Oh, and he's a sweaty fucker, too.
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Posted - Feb 18 2011 : 7:03PM
Cuckold. It's so obvious the guy watching's not the girl's partner so what's the point?! Load of pointless crap. Shemales who fuck guys. No, no, no, they should be fucking girls not guys. Crap. Too many tats on hardcore porn girls.
I'll admit right up front I didn't read every response so it's probably already been said but what the hell... 1- Holding the girls nose while she blows you. WTF? She's sucking your dick already dude, now you're going to ruin it by effectively choking her? 2- Enough already with every girl dresing like total sluts ALL THE TIME. God what I wouldn't pay for a studio flick with girls dressing like everyday people. I mean, we're about to see you get naked and freaky in a few minutes anyways so show us a transformation from someone I'd see on the street to amazing porn performer! 3- Gonzo. Never thought I'd say it but after 30+ years of watching porn I long for a story...any story. Show me the sex after some kind of realistic scene. I'm not saying a 50/50 split between acting and sex but geez, at least try to inject some kind of storyline into a feature now and then. 4- Dudes and their cum faces. I don't wanna look at his face while he's popping! Is that shot for the women? If so, how do you women feel about it? Edited by - clipper99 on 2/18/2011 7:19:29 PM
I woke up today and everything is still everything! 403 Posts 1/09
Posted - Feb 19 2011 : 5:44AM
i'm writing my comments as if a porn producer-director were going to include this as part of their "self assessment" "porn star" facial expressions, phony grunts-groans-ooohs-aaahhs, guys that clean their eyes out while deep stroking of even changing positions-phony porn star dialogue "F-yeah, Hell yeah," addressing the partner's member ethnically "do you like my Bl..k d...k, or is my White P....y hot etc., DIRECTORS THAT TALK THROUGHOUT THE SHOOT WITH NOTHING INTELLIGENT OR AT LEAST WITTY TO SAY....aka blabbermouth directors who won't shut up the heck up. gagging is played out big time....what about sexy erotic fellatio, head with purpose and feeling? and finally, unless your Max Hardcore and you have a well-developed schtick like Max Hardcore's revenge F...k dialogue, Belladonna and possibly Juan Cuba save the overly demeaning talk with the girls/women. if i'm going to watch something highly acted out i want to watch someone who is good at it and enjoys what they do ie. mika tan paired up with weed or mr. marcus. i like stuff that is closer to amatuer if not great amatuer because seeing the people "feeling it" is better than beautiful camera angles and irritating fake talk. also, its ok to treat adult dvd fans as people with brains, use a little imagination like the late great David Aaron Clark! oh i almost forgot japanese girls in japanese porn and the constant whining.