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Scotty B_1123
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Posted - Jan 17 2024 : 1:05PM
Agree completely with you on Dan O' Connell zsasal, he definitely belongs on this list. AlanX was great with Girlsway/MG and is still doing some solid scene work with SHE SEDUCED ME so I'd say lets include him here as well. Both he and Bree created the best lesbian feature ever (still to this day) with GW's The Turning so even if he never did another scene again, he would deserve to be considered one of the greats. Hard to believe that The Turning was released 10 years ago in 2025....

I wouldn't include Nica Noelle here, either as an actress or director, having seen her work with either GFF or SHV. Her work was never anything more than average for me. Noelle was never in the same class as say Casey Calvert, who is a special talent both in front of and behind the camera.

Scotty B_1123
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Posted - Jan 17 2024 : 1:10PM
There are DEFINITELY more scenes with toy use over the last few months, no question. That's a pretty bad move too. Adult Time has made their LEZ BE BAD scenes centered around toys and it makes for lousy scenes, no matter how good the actresses cast are. I ended my Adult Time subscription over a year ago and was just about to renew it when all these toy scenes were releasing so I then decided not to renew.

Scotty B_1123
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Posted - Jan 17 2024 : 1:40PM
I would love to hear some opinions as to how you feel about BRAZZERS lesbian scenes.

Do you watch BRAZZERS lesbian scenes?

Do you have a BRAZZERS subscription specifically just to see their lesbian content?

What is it about BRAZZERS lesbian scenes do you enjoy most?

I ask because I have been noticing that BRAZZERS is releasing many new lesbian scenes lately wondering how many folks are big fans of lesbian content enjoy their work. There's no doubt that BRAZZERS does feature A-List talent for their releases consistently, but as far as the rest of the content, I think it's pretty unwatchable.

To me, their scene plots are either ridiculous or non existent, actresses who generally provide solid acting/non-sex related performances in other content look silly and unable to speak their lines without looking either forced or non-believable. Their scenes always have toys and/or strap-on's featured, men appear in far too many scenes and even though they are non-sex appearances, it still ruins any lesbian-only themed scenes. Their gonzo scene style has been around for a long time now with no intimacy/passion elements ever included.

Two of their recent scene releases feature Eliza Ibarra and Kira Noir, and Nicole Doshi and September Reign. All four actresses are great but when put in a BRAZZERS scene, even they can't make it work. I was very disappointed when Kira Noir became a contract star for them, such a waste of her beauty and talent being with that studio instead of doing quality work with good lesbian content makers.

So this is all just my opinion and that's why I'm taking time to post this to see if there are many of you want more of this type of content as BRAZZERS looks to be making a real big push to be a bigger source of lesbian content than they have been in the past. Am I missing something here where BRAZZERS is actually making worthwhile lesbian content??

Scotty B_1123
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Posted - Jan 17 2024 : 1:52PM
For sure and I think Judy Jolie is so underrated and under utilized. She has done really fine lesbian scene work with GW, AGM, WY, SHE SEDUCED ME, etc. Judy's 3 GFF scenes are terrific, with the best being in WSW 178 with Alita Lee. Not sure if she's still active but I wish we had a lot more content with her to enjoy.

 
Sexuallysexy99
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Posted - Jan 17 2024 : 7:20PM
Well, curiosity pretty much got the best of me, I subscribed to Uralesbian. Big negative, the site seems pretty much dead, other then that, this site seems filled with exclusive G/G videos I've had a hard time finding out in the wild. Sneak peeked a video with Alexis Crystal and MY GOD, she's built like a greek goddess, sexy six pack with a feminine figure, perfect tan and her nipples on small but pert breast, their just so nicely shaped, just completes her sexy body.

Anyways, the video I've seen seems very sensual with full body shots you usually don't see from other studios. And even though its a Japan focused site, the quality of the foreign performers(seen by Alexis)is extremely high, they knew who to pick.

Shadow115
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Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 7:33AM
So, basically, you want more white women (even though they compile most of the lesbian scenes already). I'm not attracted to Nicole Doshi, but it's really stupid to put her on a list of performers who don't bring it. The only two who might belong there are Leana and Kimmy.
Ricov
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Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 9:26AM
I'd put Scarlit Scandal as one of the top current gg performers.
Jozko1111
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Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 9:49AM
She retired.
LezFan
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Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 10:44AM
^ Yeah she retired. She doesnt even go by Scarlit anymore. She is back to her real name and has put the name Scarlit behind her. Im happy for her though. She was amazing as a performer that caught my eye the first time I saw her.

Lezzyist
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Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 11:10AM
Scarlet retired??? Daaaaamn. I mean GREAT for her, but the industry will miss her. She was perhaps the most beautiful woman in the industry; no touching her when the makeup artist is on-point. I didn't like *every* video she put out (one or two of those Adulttime vids were awful, no surprise really), but she made some I go back and rewatch often, like the ones with Alex Coal and Karla Kush.
Ricov
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Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 11:18AM
Oh that's news to me. I agree, I'm happy with whatever makes her happy! She said on her twitter that she's retiring from doing professional scenes but will continue with onlyfans.
Ricov
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379 Posts
7/21
Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 11:27AM
Agreed, that scene with Alex Coal will be rewatched by me for a long time to come. I'll have to check out that Karla Kush scene. The scene with her and Maddy May was also so good.


Edited by - ricov on 1/18/2024 11:28:19 AM

whyalwaysbilly
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Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 11:30AM
^Is that one with Alex she did for GFF? Love that scene, the sex is out of this world and the story is super cute as well.
Mike Quasar
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Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 11:46AM
And strangely the 4 people you mentioned seem to be among the most successful for many years. Sounds like you might have a personal grudge. Kinda sad for you really.
 
Ricov
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Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 11:46AM
Yes for Girlfriend Films, Please Make Me Lesbian 20. Sorry I forgot to post a link.
https://www.hotmovies.com/2801412/please-make-me-lesbian-part-20-porn-video.html

So good!

LezFan
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Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 11:54AM
While we are talking about Scarlit I like her LesbianX scene with Gia Derza. That was the first time I went like "hmm they must be really close" and I was right. Then an OF vid with Scarlit and Gia too that was super intimate and fun. And finally the last scene they did together to my knowledge was Bellesa House. They reunited which I loved to see after all they been through.
Ricov
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Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 12:05PM
Was that OF scene kind of a static side view on a bed? The really amazing thing about that was you could barely see what was going on but it was good because of what you mentioned about the other scene, you could tell they have a connection and were actually attracted to each other.

Directors should pick up on that. You can have all the fancy 4k camera and incredible views of the action but if the connection and actual sex aren't there, none of it matters. I'd rather have an amateur shot scene with real sex that might be obscured at times and not show everything perfectly any day.

The Bellesa House scene was just off the charts. (preview of the Bellesa scene here https://www.bellesa.co/videos/8164/episode-72-scarlit-gia)

Edited by - ricov on 1/18/2024 12:10:29 PM

LezFan
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Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 12:10PM
^ Yeah that is what I was talking about. I ended up with two different views. One from Gia POV and the other from Scarlit POV. But still the same not really good close up views but the action was still really good. I love a connection over great view. I think some performers want the perfect angles and views and lose sight of the really chemistry and connection with who they are shooting with.
Bistahieversor
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Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 12:10PM
My opinion is the same as you. Brazzers is a complete waste of time for any GG fan. Their stories are ridiculous, the way they shot the scenes doesn't have any appeal or interest o capture minimal passion, there is an exccesive use of toys and dildos and men are popping outt of nowhere to fuck them. And it's a shame having many contract stars like Angela White, Cherie Deville, Abella Danger or, as you mention, Kira Noir, they're using them for the most terrible scenes I've seen.
LezFan
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Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 12:20PM
^ I agree. Brazzers is now what Vivid was in the 90s. They were terrible with G/G and had some great stars like Julia Ann, Raylene, and Dyanna Lauren to name a few. But in particular Julia Ann. When her Vivid contract ended she explored other studios bc she wanted to work with others and it was the best decision. She ended up shooting for GFF, SHV, and even a brief Girlsway appearance. But I discovered her in her GFF shoots and loved her. I went back to see her Vivid stuff and was it wasnt even close. Again it was just horrible.

And while I understand why Angela, Cherie, and others sign with Brazzers it just sucks we will no longer see them shoot for other studios like AdultTime, AHL, GFF, etc... The good news is unlike Julia back in the day, these performers have content already with those other companies plus they shoot their own content for their own platform. But in general Brazzers G/G is terrible and the only thing that can save it to be somewhat decent is the right pairing and the performers themselves making it worth watching.

Ricov
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379 Posts
7/21
Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 12:23PM
Brazzers feels so cartoonish. The scenes feel so silly that it stops being sexy and just feels like something trying to be funny but isn't. It is a shame that great talent that shoot there aren't shown at their full potential.

I always liked the simple stuff that shows just great sex on a nice comfy bed. All this extra stuff is just a complete waste of time for me.

I recently had in mind that scene with Jenna Sativa and Vanessa Veracruz that I think was on vanessaveracruz.com when that was around. It is gone now and in place of the site is a link directly to her OnlyFans.

So unfortunately I don't know how to link you all to the scene which was really good. It seemed like just one camera person following them both around on a sort of fun shopping spree and then followed them back to the room where they fucked. It was great and simple. Of course you have to jaw droppingly beautiful women who are really into women but still, the simplicity of it was just awesome. The shopping part was fun and kind of got you excited for the sex part.

Since it can't be found (as far as I know) on any VOD sites, I don't know how to tell you other then search "jenna sativa and vanessa veracruz" on google and it's the one where Jenna is wearing rainbow colored socks. One link is titled "Jenna and Vanessa fuck great". It's just one of those scenes that most people might not have been able to find because it wasn't done by one of the big studios.

LezFan
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Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 12:33PM
^ My question about Brazzers is why are they THE studio? Like from a producing great scenes perspective the viewers understand its not great. Even winning awards, which I know we dont think highly of it, I dont see Brazzers winning many of that. Its usually Vixens and other companies winning it. So like I just dont understand why Brazzers is considered THE studio in the industry. From what I can tell many people say they are treated like family and they do get cool merchandise that people love to wear. But in the end the viewers are the one that have to buy and watch the product. So at least they should go about taking it serious to produce great scenes like we see in other companies. And there is no excuses bc they do have some of the absolute best. Angela, Cherie, Abella, like the absolute best.
Ricov
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379 Posts
7/21
Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 12:36PM
^ I'm guessing they have marketing geniuses working for them? I can't see what else makes them one of the best either.
whyalwaysbilly
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Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 12:38PM
^Is that the one where they're wearing backwards caps? It rings a bell, I remember it being pretty decent.
 
Ricov
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7/21
Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 1:37PM
Yup that's the one. I love the backwards hat look on a sexy women as a side note haha.
whyalwaysbilly
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Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 1:44PM
^Who wore it better? Jenna Sativa or Tobin Bell?

Edited by - whyalwaysbilly on 1/18/2024 1:45:12 PM

Shadow115
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332 Posts
7/09
Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 1:45PM
I only mostly liked the Brazzers scenes where Phoenix Marie would do standing 69 with a girl. Just going back to the start of 2022, these are the scenes that I'm into:

Ariel X and Lilly Bell (wasn't this a Twistys scene?)
Bella Rolland and Summer Col
Roxie Sinner and Hot Ass Hollywood
Natasha Nice, Skylar Snow, and Abigaiil Morris
Violet Starr and Phoenix Marie
Codi Vore and Abigaiil Morris
Lulu Chu and Kylie Rocket

There would be more, but they involve the dreaded clothing fetish in them. So, 6 or 7 scenes in over two years that I like. Not exactly a stellar percentage.

Ricov
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Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 1:47PM
Tobin Bell? Now I have to do my research.
Ricov
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7/21
Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 1:51PM
Oh I had no idea about this Tobin Bell guy with the backwards hat thing. Of course I'd say I like the way it looked on Jenna much more. Haha
Scotty B_1123
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4/21
Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 2:06PM
Many thanks Bistahieversor, LezFan and Ricov for your comments. i'm really glad to see that I'm not the only one who feels this way about BRAZZERS G/G content. It's a shame that such great talented actresses are wasted doing scenes over there.

Reality Kings' lesbian titles are now getting just as bad with every one of their scenes now featuring silly story lines, gonzo sex, toys, strap-ons and most every actress having more ink on them than a NYC subway train. They had such a rich history of doing exceptional lesbian content but that's now gone. Of course the HOF talent they had acting and directing in those scenes made all the difference.

Speaking of Vanessa Veracruz, here's a clip recommendation from when BRAZZERS was much better. One of Vanessa's earlier scenes (HOT AND MEAN #4) which is still an absolute scorcher, with Ariella Ferrera.

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Scotty B_1123
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4/21
Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 2:18PM
Thanks Shadow115, that's a great list of talent you provide here. It's so funny that you list the Natasha Nice, Skylar Snow, and Abigaiil Morris scene because I just saw this for the first time via a free site last night and it is really good. No toys, no tattooed actresses and hot action. Has the look & feel of a great Adult Time scene when they were doing good scenes like this.

Such a great list of actresses above, especially Bella Rolland, Ariel X, Lilly Bell, Skylar Snow, Kylie Rocket and Violet Starr, who should have been a mega star in the industry because of her performances. She always gives 1000% and is one of the best G/G scene actresses ever. Her 2023 SLAYED pairing with Ryan Ryans is my top 3 of all their scenes and will probably be for as long as they make content.

Scotty B_1123
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4/21
Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 3:12PM
That's terrible news, we really need high quality actresses like her doing lesbian content.

LezFan
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Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 3:48PM
Violet Starr has done G/G for her OF. Two of the more recent ones that I really like was with Abigail Mac and then a threesome Abigail Mac, Evelin Stone, and Braylin Bailey. But she also did scenes with Keisha Grey and April Olsen to name a few more.

I must say this that just bc a performer stopped shooting or doesnt shoot as much G/G mainstream doesnt mean they completely stop shooting. So when we say "I miss x performer shooting" make sure its in context of is she completely done shooting altogether or is she done just shooting mainstream but still shoot for her own platform. Unless there is the exception which is Magdalene who doesnt shoot outside of mainstream but isnt retire she just isnt getting booked by a studio which I dont know why since she is a legend in G/G. I dont care about age either bc she still looks amazing and I know women like Freya would go crazy over her in a scene. And she will go crazy over Freya well.

Ricov
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7/21
Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 4:48PM
^ Speaking of Violet Starr and also Vanessa Veracruz. They both had a great scene for GF Films.
Scene 3 https://www.hotmovies.com/1947780/lesbian-seductions-olderyounger-vol-57-porn-video.html

In case anyone hasn't seen it. Seemed like they had great chemistry too.

 
Scotty B_1123
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Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 6:50PM
Definitely a hot scene Ricov, Violet has done many great scenes with GFF. Here are some of the very best I think:

Secret Lesbian Diaries 9 with Kendra Spade
WSW 174 with Paige Owens
WSW 170 with Avi Love
MDEC 49 with Cory Chase
PMML 14 with Lana Rhoades
Lesbian Seductions 58 with Jelena Jensen
Lesbian Seductions 69 with Charlotte Cross
Twisted Passions 20 with Prinzzess
Twisted Passions 21 with Mindi Mink
Twisted Passions 23 with Karlee Grey

There are more for sure and her scene work with Adult Time is equally satisfying, especially two scenes she did with a Web Young scene paired with Freya Parker and the other, a threesome with All Girl Massage. I've never seen her do anything but exceptional lesbian scenes.


LezFan
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Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 6:50PM
^ Again you are missing out. There are some great OF G/G content. You just have to know who to go too. Some can be hit or miss but some can be straight hits. And I think it's just perception. I want quality not quantity. That's coming from someone who loves long scenes. But I rather great chemistry that's real authentic and the scene is 15-20 but it feels longer than a scene that's 30+ minutes with little to no connection it doesn't feel authentic and the length of the scene is a drag where I'm either skimming through it a lot or just can't wait for it to end.
Ricov
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7/21
Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 7:05PM
Great list. The one with Kendra Spade is a favorite of mine. Damn Kendra was amazing too. Hopefully she's enjoying life!
Ricov
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379 Posts
7/21
Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 7:06PM
Thanks for that recommendation. I guess it' might be worth a look to check out some old school Brazzers scenes for hidden gems.
zsasal
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4/23
Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 8:48PM
Totally agree with most of your opinions about Brazzers. You guys described it perfectly. It's impossible for me to find its scenes erotic. Sometimes I try to watch them but they are too silly or dumb.

Ironically, many performers say it's like the best place to work and it has exclusive contracts with many great actresses...

zsasal
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GG Taboo specialist
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4/23
Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 8:53PM
Hey Marion, I recommend you to watch the old scenes of Allherluv (I'm not saying the new ones are not good). Low lights or dark rooms are not a bad thing if it's related to the storyline or the style of the scene. In fact, many of the great GFF scenes directed by Dan were not in rooms full of light...
Lezasslickfan
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Posted - Jan 18 2024 : 11:16PM
Honestly I just want some lesbian scenes/vids that actually show good and long closeups without toys. Please can we have more deep asslicking as well??!!!
Lezzyist
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Posted - Jan 19 2024 : 4:20AM
^Very unpopular opinion there, but to me it's mostly correct. The skits just encourage and reinforce the kind of dumb porn trope behaviors that make me turn off a video. And the cheesey dialogue (that they say DURING the sex for some dumb reason) is so obnoxious i.e. "I can't believe we are doing this!"...like...you literally sat next to each other and signed papers saying you would do this while people record it. How is it unbelievable.

About Brazzers: it is everything I dislike about today's GG porn i.e., people acting like extremely dumb cartoons, minimal sex with maximum fake noise, sex that is only sticks and yelling, piss everywhere, dicks and fake dicks everywhere, porn catch-phrases, fake high-energy, etc.


I just want to watch people having sex. I guess it's weird to be that blunt pervy about it, not want all the asinine B-movie/cartoon character stuff, and want performers to be actually physically intimate, but sex between people who are willing to try to make it feel good in spite of the cameras and the unfamiliarity is the only thing I want to see.

Ricov
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7/21
Posted - Jan 19 2024 : 2:03PM
I had a question for all of you.

How many of you were aware of how amazing Karlee Grey and Lena Paul were together over the course of multiple scenes they did together? If we had a list of legendary pairings, I'd seriously put them at the top.

When you watch their scenes together it's one of those things where you have no doubt they are really into each other and have no inhibitions with fucking each other. There is no questioning their lust for each other in every scene. I'll try to list the ones I have in mind here with some links. But damn talk about two beautiful women with incredible natural bodies who fucking adore every inch each other.

For Girlfriend Films
https://www.hotmovies.com/adult-clips/625628/teen-lesbian-cheerleader-fantasy
https://www.hotmovies.com/1949355/women-seeking-women-vol-143-porn-video.html?studio=girlfriends-films

Girlsway
https://www.hotmovies.com/4607344/brain-is-sexy-porn-video.html?studio=girlsway

[mod edit: link removed. no tube sites]

Edited by - killbillvol69 on 2/12/2024 7:29:23 AM

LezFan
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Posted - Jan 19 2024 : 3:55PM
^ Ive been aware. Not just the mainstream scenes but the OF scenes. Their scene on the couch is the best one. Karlee and Lena together are fire for sure.
Ricov
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7/21
Posted - Jan 19 2024 : 4:22PM
See that's why I hate OF. If OF had a VOD storefront sort of feature where you can see previews of videos and pay for those videos directly instead of having to first pay to subscribe I would love that feature. I feel like I'm missing out on all sorts of good content that I'll never see because you have to pay for all of these separate accounts and that's just to make it possible to then have to pay for individual videos.
Ricov
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7/21
Posted - Jan 19 2024 : 4:24PM
Oh and just to agree with you, the scene on the couch was the best but I wouldn't want to take away from the other scenes as well.

It's funny how a lot of the times I dislike scenes that aren't on a bed but this couch scene was amazing. Again probably because the sex was top notch.

Edited by - ricov on 1/19/2024 4:25:12 PM

LezFan
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Posted - Jan 19 2024 : 4:44PM
^ Yeah I feel your frustration on feeling like you are missing out on great content due to the structure of OF. You just have to hope that on sites like Manyvids or Clips4Sale have those same vids. LoyalFans have clips stores to see what you are buying and you don't have to pay to sub. You just follow for free and go from there. OF is most popular so it gains the most traffic so most of your content is consistently on there so again you have to go on there to get the content which is again where the frustration lies.

I can't tell you how much money I've spent on OF just trying to get scenes. I still have scenes I want to get. Some have been disappointing while others have been great. But I overall have a collection that I'm good with overall from various of creators.

Ricov
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Posted - Jan 19 2024 : 6:02PM
Thanks for those tips. I'll go check out loyalfans and see what I can find there.
LezFan
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Posted - Jan 19 2024 : 6:13PM
^ No problem. Definitely go take a look on there because its definitely worth it.

Speaking of OF though I just found out something I had no idea about. Chloe B from Abbywinters she actually had an OF for a brief time then deleted it. Apparently she had breast reduction due to health concerns as well. I mean from what I found out she is happy and healthy now but I had no idea she had started an OF. I just thought once she stopped shooting mainstream for Abbywinters, GirlsOutWest, IFeelMyself, and I even think she shot for Lustry that she was just done. But again apparently she briefly started an OF then deleted it and is no longer on social media because she also had an IG too and deleted that. Just crazy because I was wishing the day she would comeback and start shooting and she did and I missed it lol. Well she was only shooting solos but still its something. I miss Chloe B lol.

Correction she apparently did shoot for IFeelMyself as recent as late last year from what I found out. So if anyone has more info on if Chloe B is still active or not let me know. Thanks!

Edited by - LezFan on 1/19/2024 6:16:48 PM

Scotty B_1123
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Posted - Jan 19 2024 : 7:50PM
100% STRONGLY AGREE, Lezasslickfan! And I wish Girlfriends Films would go back to featuring it in their scenes on a regular basis. For some reason rimming action is very few or nonexistent in their latest scenes. Sure wish some US studio would do an MFX (Brazil) type similar content which is full out lesbian rimming. Melody Jordan did amazing assessing work, anyone else remember Melody?




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