However, next time I'll be charging double for my splendid services in psychoanalysis.
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| Starry Eyes Senior Member In the Eye of Solitude 3958 Posts 6/17 |  Posted - Dec 12 2017 : 8:54AMHowever, next time I'll be charging double for my splendid services in psychoanalysis. Edited by - Starry Eyes on 12/12/2017 8:55:38 AM [Link] |
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| FlacFan Deactivated User 10088 Posts 8/15 | Posted - Dec 12 2017 : 8:03PM [Link] |
| Secret Guy Senior Member Stay Beautiful 2407 Posts 10/17 | Posted - Dec 12 2017 : 8:52PM Edited by - Secret Guy on 12/12/2017 8:53:06 PM Edited by - Secret Guy on 12/12/2017 8:54:13 PM [Link] |
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| Cerebral Jedi Senior Member I don't trust men who don't like big tits. 1067 Posts 12/04 | Posted - Dec 13 2017 : 3:51AM And I I'll leave it at the that. I'd like to go in on the performers who bullied her, but that's not allowed. I guess I'll recover my Twitter password and vent there. [Link] |
| Melvyn Senior Member 2797 Posts 12/12 | Posted - Dec 13 2017 : 5:36AM By effectively blacklisting him however, it ends up making his worst fear (one might have called the only truly irrational and by definition "phobic" fear) into the reality it never was before. Some I am sure will say that is simply just desserts. They think he took her life, so what should it matter that he loses his job? But I still maintain that her death cannot fall squarely on anyone's shoulders. It is certainly not 100% his fault, or even 100% the fault of the group attacking her. I wouldn't even say it's 50/50 their fault. I would say it's 99% the fault of a deeply troubled psychology. People endure vitriol and hate online every minute of every hour of every day. How many of them end their lives as a result? Not 1%. Did he say something as bad as what I've seen countless times before on Twitter? Yes. Did he say the worst thing I've come across? No. Not even close, as sad a commentary on social media as that is. I've seen much worse verbal contempt with regularity. And to say that 99% of the time the targets of which don't hurt themselves is still a gross understatement. It's really more like 99.999% of the time they don't, and a much higher % still that they don't end their life. So how can we put 100% of the blame on him or the group of haters when less than 00.001% of us could have predicted the result? As hateful and pathetic as he was in that moment, I don't believe it is unforgivable. I support forgiveness for actions, even those which are directly responsible for irreparable harm. It should go without saying I support forgiveness for words. And while I say I support forgiveness, I don't always expect it or show it. This just seems self-evident that forgiveness is deserved because those offenders truly did not know what they were doing in her case. I strongly doubt any suspected she would hurt herself, let alone end her life. At worst they probably expected a back and forth flame war, one which, if August was still with us, so many people spewing sympathies now would probably have sided against her in the name of soc-jus brownie points. For those phonies, it only gave them pause when she did what none of them expected. I think even for most of those who did know of her psychological struggles, even they could not have expected her to hang herself. I think it was still so sudden for just about everyone, or her closes companions would have been rushing to be with her. Maybe they tried. I don't know. As trite as it may sound, I honestly suspect that the consequences he and those other more visible attackers are already facing is probably going pretty far to serve as a sufficient lesson. I don't even think we need to call for his being ultimate black-listed, as that's probably already being implemented here and there as we speak. There's probably a lot of more popular female performers telling companies they won't work with them if they hire him. And that's the most ironic thing about this for him. The blowback is taking him from the frying pan into the fire. Already concerned that the stigma of gay/crossover talent was hurting his career (which it in all probability technically was to some degree), now he's got to face the stigma of a heartless "murderer" on top of that. If life wasn't already unfair, it's about to become as frigidly oppressive as the Siberian gulags for him. [Link] |
| Melvyn Senior Member 2797 Posts 12/12 | Posted - Dec 13 2017 : 5:48AM It is hard to resist the urge to pile on though, isn't it? But what do you know about the Jaxton guy? Do you know if he has his own psychological/emotional struggles? Where does the cycle end? [Link] |
| Melvyn Senior Member 2797 Posts 12/12 | Posted - Dec 13 2017 : 6:09AM The problem we are all having to reconcile is when that degree of moral high-ground on behalf of legitimate social-justice is subsumed or overshadowed, and therefore forfeited, by overwhelming hostility of social justice warriors. [Link] |
| Melvyn Senior Member 2797 Posts 12/12 | Posted - Dec 13 2017 : 6:18AM [Link] |
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| FlacFan Deactivated User 10088 Posts 8/15 | Posted - Dec 13 2017 : 7:11AM "the risk is negligible" I think I read. O.K., if you warriors don't see a problem, then you go fuck him on screen. It isn't their life. Refusing to work with a crossover is not discrimination. They are doing exactly what the right is doing. You only have to look at Mr Marcus and Marc Wallace as examples of people deliberately hurting others to keep working, so if she wanted to cut down further on the odds, then that is her choice, not theirs. Also the fact that she did approx 86 Girl Girl scenes makes all their arguments easily dismiss able, since by all accounts she never puked into another girls vagina. Morons. Steve Martin's 3rd album hit it on the head "Comedy Is Not Pretty". People are far too sensitive now. It's too bad no one has stepped up to fill the shoes of George Carlin and Richard Pryor. They'd be having a field day with these events. And probably catching a ration of shit for it. I think this is mainly because somewhere along the way, compromise became a bad thing. No one seems to want to look weak, so they over act to appear strong. Mel Brooks is correct, you couldn't make Blazing Saddles today. They'd laugh you out of every office for even suggesting it. And if by some chance you did get it made, they blow back and protests would be so extreme you'd have to pull it. Sarcasm is such a lost art and the best comedy is that which makes direct fun of us, because no one is immune. Look at the #METOO {pound me too  - laughing at the name, not the victims} movement. Already there's some push back and, if I am not wrong, I'd guess less than 1% of total incidents have been reported, and there has been none from the males accusing the females. Add in the bandwagon people with a grudge and this is going to get ugly, fast. People that have been hurt are banding together and the mostly white male upper class doesn't like that. At the same time the strident militarism that maybe partly justified is making those with a just cause look really petulant and ugly.Sorry if this hurts, but most people have the attention span of a gnat and take the Headline as the story, it's far too easy for most everyone to lose the plot. Edited by - FlacFan on 12/13/2017 7:21:32 AM [Link] |
| DaJoker Deactivated User 206 Posts 12/17 | Posted - Dec 13 2017 : 7:47AM Regarding the other issue, let me give you a short example of how the internet works, as it's full of narrow minded people without any logic to say the least. We are all different, with different tastes and so on. Some of us like fish, others like beef. Some like a beer, while others might have a coke. Some of us might preffer a Ferrari, others might enjoy a friggin' Scooby-Doo VAN! It's the same sexually. I may not like black girls, maybe I am not sexually attracted to them. It doesn't mean that I don't like black people of course, but I bet you that if I go on a thread here and say that I preffer caucasian girls over black girls, there will be a lot of keyboard warriors coming out to call me a RACIST! Sure, the situation may be a bit different with what happened in this case, but the point is the same: it's OUR CHOICE WHAT WE DO AND WHAT WE LIKE AND NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO JUDGE US! We shouldn't be afraid to express our prefferences as long as we do it in a reasonable manner. In this particular case, it wasn't even simpler. It wasn't a case of "I won't have sex with this guy cause he is gay/bi/whatever and I don't like them!", no, August's reasons were actually really strong as she cared for her health and as I understand, gays have different methods of being tested which are not as strict as the ones in straight porn. So I will end this by asking these people like Alexis Monroe and Jessica Drake for example if they have any idea what AIDS or HIV (YOU SHOULD KNOW BECAUSE YOU HAVE SEX IN FRONT OF A CAMERA after all!) is and if they wouldn't care if they get infected or not? I don't think they understand, because if they did, they should have shut up in the first place. [Link] |
LCF  All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Dec 13 2017 : 8:47AM Though her removal post -death could actually be a clue she wasn't fired yet [Link] |
| silentmajority Member 68 Posts 11/16 | Posted - Dec 13 2017 : 10:48AM By effectively blacklisting him however, it ends up making his worst fear (one might have called the only truly irrational and by definition "phobic" fear) into the reality it never was before. silentmajority wrote: Everything has consequences and using your right to free speech to suggest someone take cyanide is a threat. I don't coddle folks who have shown no respect for a woman and their right to choose partners to work with no matter the reason why. It's THEIR RIGHT. I may not like it, hell I may think its racist, homophobic, etc. but you have to respect that inherent right. There are adult ways to express to someone your disapproval to them for their reasons-but in any workplace a threat or post like the ones this "gentleman" spewed publicly will get anyone dismissed from their jobs in this day and age. Other than Trump who it seems this rule does not apply to for reasons only his gullibles will even try to explain, everyone is accountable for their words period. If I wrote a tweet and or facebook post suggesting my boss try to cross a street and get killed from a semi-trailer and then taste their blood before burning in a blaze of gasoline stoked fire-guess what I get fired. Or I have people/businesses not want to work with me. Cry me a river boo-hoo that his livelihood is in jeopardy-it's called McDonalds if he wants a suggestion at a new career. Edited by - silentmajority on 12/13/2017 10:50:31 AM Edited by - silentmajority on 12/13/2017 10:51:23 AM Edited by - silentmajority on 12/13/2017 10:52:34 AM [Link] |
| eigild26 Member 91 Posts 7/16 | Posted - Dec 13 2017 : 11:07AM Edited by - eigild26 on 12/13/2017 11:11:12 AM [Link] |
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| Kaasimire New Member 2 Posts 12/17 | Posted - Dec 13 2017 : 5:40PM I feel kind of guilty because I also once made a comment on a Youtube interview of her. While not directly insulting, I have to admit from hindsight that what I wrote was kind of condescending, judgemental and bigot. If I knew that she was in such a bad emotional state, I would have been far more careful. She always seemed like a confident, likable and content person who very much enjoyed herself. Maybe that was the "upper" side of bipolar? Was no one of her colleagues in the business, eg other porn actresses, the directors and the "male talent" that she worked with, aware of her problems and her vulnerability? Not trying to blame someone, but I really wonder as to how responsive the "porn business", a business that has often been characterized as exploitive, is when confronted with issues of mental health? As a "civilian" I have trouble understanding how one can be sexually intimate with someone, but not knowing anything about the person's personality, but in porn "intimacy" is obviously just a professional act? We should draw our conclusions about out debating culture on social media. Just because someone perceives themself as some kind of social justice activist, eg for LBGTQ rights, or as some kind of morally superior person (be it religiously, ideologically, philophically...), that doesn't give them the right to recklessly attack and belittle others. Belittleling others for their opinion because you feel morally superior actually proves that you are not morally superior. [Link] |
| Luke Lake Deactivated User 878 Posts 8/10 | Posted - Dec 13 2017 : 10:35PM [Link] |
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| TheWatcher All-Star Member 3000 Posts 2/13 | Posted - Dec 14 2017 : 6:45AM This is my personal opinion. I don't Want to offend someone here The cyberbulling was thenteigfer that she made a tragic decision. Also correct is that we don't know all facts about her health. Depresion and bipolar are difficult illness that i found out when i was working in a Hospital. In one minute You are in good mood, minutes or seconds later you are in tragic mood. [Link] |
| DaJoker Deactivated User 206 Posts 12/17 | Posted - Dec 14 2017 : 3:38PM Edited by - DaJoker on 12/14/2017 3:39:19 PM [Link] |
| Starry Eyes Senior Member In the Eye of Solitude 3958 Posts 6/17 | Posted - Dec 14 2017 : 6:23PM [Link] |
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| bissy Senior Member Nikki Sexx is superhot !!!! 7066 Posts 12/09 | Posted - Dec 15 2017 : 12:31AM [Link] |
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| Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Dec 15 2017 : 9:33AM Come on people, this thread is a tribute to August Ames not about Lana Rhoades. [Link] |
| Surreyboy Member 192 Posts 3/16 | Posted - Dec 15 2017 : 10:56AM Apparently you thought this didn't apply to you. This thread is NOT about Lana Rhoades. Period. Edited by - flash on 12/15/2017 10:59:36 AM [Link] |
| Melvyn Senior Member 2797 Posts 12/12 | Posted - Dec 16 2017 : 2:51AM But it does raise the question, if indeed the law interpreted such wishful ill intentions as actionable threats in court, what do you think the punishment should be? Should he see jailtime? IMO they must still establish he was well aware of her psychological history - and even considering this, I still don't know how far that can go in court. I've read she has struggled with depression, but has she ever attempted suicide? Lots of people struggle with depression, and the overwhelming majority don't attempt suicide. I think even if we changed the law to declare his statement an actionable threat, it would still not be a felony. Perhaps a misdemeanor, depending on not just her history, but his knowledge of her history, as well as his own record. Many are making it very clear right now they believe his statement is enough that he should no longer get work in the industry. But what about jail time, hypothetically? I just don't know about all this.If I was running a business and heard that language used, I still don't know that I would necessarily fire the person who said it. People go off the handle and say very foul things sometimes. This happens every second of every minute of every hour of every day, 7 days a week 365. There isn't a second that goes by when someone isn't telling someone off with the most extreme language. IMO there is a world of difference between an actionable threat and wishing ill on someone else via force outside of their control. If the employee threatened to be the one visiting harm on another employee, then yes, that's not only grounds for termination but I would trust legal recourse as well. The reason I don't like actions as a punishment for words, mainly in cases such as this, is that we already have laws in place that govern these matters. We already have laws about slander, libel, threats and reckless endangerment, like yelling fire in a crowded place. Would you not agree there is good reason that personal targeted threats of someone saying they will hurt another person are distinguished from wishful visitation of harm on someone from a force beyond their control? The distinction does not mean that one is punishable, while the other is immune. The examples of wishing harm on your boss still comes down to context for me. Would I expect someone to be fired for that? Of course. I still think more information must be considered to make the best call though. If I'm the boss and an employee tells me what you describe, my first question would be why do they feel this way? It's so over the top I wouldn't take it seriously, much less as a credible threat. Of course I'd have to consider firing them and maybe filing some restraining order, but it all depends on more contextual info. What is our relationship? How long have we known each other? What is their reputation? Have they ever erupted like this before?What is the reason they are so angry in the first place? What if that employee had worked hard for me for several years and got demoted in an instance of poor HR management? What if they are indeed right to be angry? In such a case, it doesn't even matter what they say in anger. Sometimes people are justified to be angry. Maybe they regret using such extreme language. But it's still just language. If someone is really that angry, I would rather know about it than to not know. Context can make a world of difference. How many of us ever heard of this Wheeler before this tragedy? I hadn't. What is his reputation? Has he vented so cruelly at others before? Does he have psychological issues of his own we should consider before making a final judgment? I maintain what he tweeted was wrong and not to be excused, but did he wake up that day thinking he wanted to be outraged and wanted to say the worst thing he could to August for any reason he could find, or just unload on anyone with such spite for any reason? If so, yeah, he should get help. But just based on probability, I would doubt any of that was his intent when he woke up that morning. He was just triggered. It's not excusable, but it explains so much hostility online. If we put ourselves in the position of producers or shot callers in the industry right now, how would we deal with this, supposing we have previously been scheduled to work with him? Probably cancel, citing the risk of boycotts. I just think it could be forgiven in time. And you're right, the job of a porn performer is not the kind which 99% of society could regard as an essential one among blue collar sector which people must rely on to provide a means of living. They get paid pretty damn well to deliver a luxury good. It's rather exorbitant, the amount performers make for a couple hours of work. Even guys make, what, 500-1000 per scene? If they do just 1 scene a week, then they're already well above the poverty line. That's not a struggle. I've considered doing it myself, but I'd prefer to use a mask like Brandon on DickDrainers does, and that would definitely limit opportunities in the industry by 90% at best. The industry is not keen at masked performers. But this is neither here nor there lol. I'm not asking for people to "coddle" the culprits who attacked her online. I'm just asking we consider all the factors that contributed to this and saying we should not rush to judgment. Even at best, rushing to judgment won't bring August back and it could more probably just make matters worse. Wouldn't you rather talk to Wheeler and the others before throwing the book at them? You can still believe what they said was totally wrong. I pretty much feel that way. It was pretty much totally wrong and misguided. But I still think we're better off defusing or averting future tragedies as tensions are likely still high. Who doubts that the verbal attackers would take it back if they knew August would take her life? I bet most of them feel like shit and even without the backlash that's gone their way they'd very likely reconsider their words in the wake of the tragedy. [Link] |
| Surreyboy Member 192 Posts 3/16 | Posted - Dec 16 2017 : 6:33AM I think she found the adult business somewhere she felt safe and where she could be successful. She was getting good feedback and success with her work. The bullying probably made her anxious about maybe damaging her career, but she really had nothing to worry about. If an agency fired her there would be 100 lining up to sign her. I am sorry people weren't there to support her through this difficult time and that she eventually decided to end it all. She was awesome and the world is a worse place without her. [Link] |
| Simple Simon Senior Member 12302 Posts 2/15 | Posted - Dec 16 2017 : 6:37AM (Sorry, I know I've already said this several times.) I think we're missing the point. You don't know what someone's mental state is. So, you can't go publicly making statements like that to someone. Your point that people have been telling others variations of "I hope you die" since time began, doesn't really apply in current times. In the past, such statements were made privately, or when in the person's presence, for a defined period of time. But with social media, such things can be said to an individual by anyone, anywhere in the world, and they can literally be twenty four hours a day. (And with young people, just getting off social media is not an option, as that's how young people interact.) In answer to your question, no, I don't think Wheeler should be criminally charged. And I don't believe the online attacks on Wheeler are going to achieve anything . In fact, they actually just perpetuate this issue: if you don't like what someone said or did, go online and deride, harass and threaten them. This online world is still new, and it's definitely here to stay. So if harassing things are said to someone , we need to consider that we don't know what that persons mental state is. Edited by - Simple Simon on 12/16/2017 6:39:05 AM [Link] |
| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Dec 16 2017 : 8:02AM [Link] |
| Secret Guy Senior Member Stay Beautiful 2407 Posts 10/17 | Posted - Dec 16 2017 : 8:29AM [Link] |
| LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Dec 16 2017 : 12:20PM Some continued even after , one has already been mentioned , , furthermore we're talking about her tweeter account , but as you can see many more were the attacks over her , many places , worst of all fellow performers who should have known better aqnd who didn't even bother to interact with her in any way whatsoever , only a very small lot actually tweeted there and only one got a lot of shit dtrying to efend her, it was Noelle Easton |
| Surreyboy Member 192 Posts 3/16 | Posted - Dec 16 2017 : 4:11PM Listen to the Holly Randall interview of August on soundcloud and you will start to understand how she felt about things. [Link] |
| margoza88 Member 275 Posts 5/17 | Posted - Dec 16 2017 : 5:44PM i can't watch her anymore sad =( [Link] |
| Simple Simon Senior Member 12302 Posts 2/15 | Posted - Dec 16 2017 : 6:48PM Here's an article you might find interesting. "... my growing suspicion that the 21st century's great social media experiment is doomed to be remembered as a failure." https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2017/03/11/flame-war-over-if-you-want-it/14891508004340 [Link] |
| A_Fan Deactivated User 1187 Posts 9/16 | Posted - Dec 17 2017 : 12:18AM I do truly understand the stigma and hate that has been spewed over the years at the gay and trans part of the industry. However, the gay side does have different testing standards and we all know passing a current HIV test today does not mean you are "clean" as there are periods before detection or an HIV positive person can be on medications that can allow them to pass the current industry test. They need to look in the mirror and understand why a performer would be nervous to work with someone from that part of the industry and not instantly call it homophobia. In August's case, it was not homophobia. It was her desire to not have sex with people who have mingled with a part of the industry that is not at an acceptable level of testing. So, she did not make a mistake. The mistake was people branding it homophobia and demolishing her for it. it is not homophobia to be frank about the HIV concerns in that side of the business. To be in denial and viciously attack people who question it, is dangerous. Edited by - A_Fan on 12/17/2017 12:19:39 AM [Link] |
| whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11 | Posted - Dec 17 2017 : 1:40AM Yes, there are gay companies that don't test. This isn't every company, though. There are gay companies that have the same testing standards as most straight companies do. The problem is that this doesn't matter if when it comes to crossover performers. If you've worked with a male performer in the recent past, it doesn't matter what company you worked for, it doesn't matter if you and your partner got tested a day before every scene, it just matters that you did it at all, and that's enough. And the truth is that while some of that comes from the different testing standards, a lot of it comes from the idea that these men are also having gay sex in their private lives, which is seen as a risky proposition in general. In fact, if we were to look at the actual numbers involved, a female performer is much more likely to get HIV from an anal scene with a straight performer than from a vaginal scene with a gay performer. According to the CDC, you're about 16-17 times more likely to get HIV from receptive anal sex than receptive vaginal sex, but also according to the CDC, gay/bisexual men are somewhere between 9 and 11 times more likely to contract HIV than straight men (or to get specific, of the new cases of HIV, about 69% of them are men who have sex with men, and about 7-8% of them are straight men, as of 2010). The anal risk is basically the reason that anal creampies are generally considered the most dangerous act in porn. Yet you almost never hear about performers refusing to shoot anal scenes because of safety reasons (at least in terms of diseases), yet you do hear about performers refusing to work with gay male talent for safety reasons. Now, this is not me saying that I think anyone is prejudiced or homophobic or anything like that. I absolutely believe that August wasn't, and I don't think most of the people in the industry are either. And I do believe in a performers unequivocal right to work or not work with who they want, regardless of the reasons. But if someone is going to use faulty numbers or inconsistent logic as their reasoning behind why they will or won't do something, I think it's okay to point that out to them, and it's not bullying to do so. It's just a better idea to do it privately instead of publicly. [Link] |
| LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Dec 17 2017 : 6:56AM That said , the first part is one of the most relevant , some gay companies don't test , none of the female stars nor their agents can be possibly supposed to track down every single gay movie, gay performer and crossover performer or even just male performer and keep record about what company they worked with , with whom they worked , and who their gay partners worked with and the previous partners of their partners and even doing so they have to keep track about the magnitude of their non test time either them or their partners. I think you see the problem. Also I don't think it's just a matter of private life much rather a problem of sex out of porn and that includes escorting which I believe is the main issue they mean to address when talking about "private habits" . Escorting was an issue in straight porn already until almost everybody begun to do that Unless you state that no gay performer ever escorted or escorts Anal sex is the problem rather than homophobia , there aren't issues with gay female sex there are stars who even turned to lez porn after a health breaktrough . But as you say anal sex either straght or gay is the riskiest sex act of all, and as it appears male gay sex is ALWAYS anal , it'd be riskier even when tested , as you pointed out many stars and agents have a "no anal creampies" policy in straght porn already why should they allow their talents to ignore a greater risk by performing with talents who perform in riskier business? If so there would be no point with having such policy. It's a straght sex policy already why should it change when coming to crossover performers? A no crossover policy is just a way to lower the risks even further , as you pointed out there are relevant risks with vaginal sex already (7-8% for men but receptive vaginal sex is riskier than active vaginal sex) Plus I take those numbers are referred to regular people who fuck on regular basis with a limited amount of partners , lovers or occasional night stands and are scaring already , but we're talking about professional sex workers , guys who have some much greater numbers of sex acts and partners tham almost any regular guy and to add even further to this , some of them or of their partners performed untested. Also it's not only a matter of HIV there are many other STDs , not as brutal as HIV but still would prevent a performer from working for a relatively long time , and may even be detrimental for their escorting activity , if any, because it may scare their johns. so let's talk again about inconsistent logic Edited by - LCF on 12/17/2017 7:04:36 AM [Link] |
| SirJerksAlot Deactivated User 392 Posts 2/17 | Posted - Dec 17 2017 : 8:07PM [Link] |
| A_Fan Deactivated User 1187 Posts 9/16 | Posted - Dec 17 2017 : 11:20PM And that Lockwood fella.... from what I recall, he was very "anti gay" years ago when denying he enjoy sex with men, and then he became a gay and trans performer. I don't think he has a lot of credibility as any sort of advocate of discrimination so he should just be ignored. Mr Cyanide is your classic bully who does something dispicable and when there are consequences he does "who me ? I did nuthin , thats not what i meant". he also should be ignored. I felt JD's tweets were fine, a passionate and assertive rebuttal. I did not consider that bullying. Disagreement is not bullying. Whatever the case, the suicide is sad sad sad and tragic. I hope there can be some learning from this. Perhaps even some more open and frank dialogue about testing in the gay side of the industry that can lead to improvements. It will always be a question mark and hot button issue when they do allow HIV+ men to be in the business. [Link] |
| Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Dec 18 2017 : 10:58AM Why does everyone feel the need to post every waking moment and thought on social media? Are people so desperate for attention that we're actually concerned with what people who we don't even know think? What ever happened to just saying "Fuck you" to one's detractors/ [Link] |
| Hunterking Member Veronica Rodriguez 128 Posts 4/15 | Posted - Dec 18 2017 : 1:19PM [Link] |
| Simple Simon Senior Member 12302 Posts 2/15 | Posted - Dec 18 2017 : 6:44PM (I follow a local women's forum, and there's often articles basically saying: "this person said if women do ABC, they're asking to be assaulted; everyone call them names!".) "What ever happened to just saying "Fuck you" to one's detractors" If you're a young person, or someone with mental health issues, that's not so easy. ^^ I thought August Ames issue was she believed this was being hidden from her, and it would be hidden from the lady replacing her. [Link] |
| Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Dec 18 2017 : 7:17PM [Link] |
| Simple Simon Senior Member 12302 Posts 2/15 | Posted - Dec 18 2017 : 7:55PM So, when you were a teenager in high school, how do you think the advice to 'don't worry what anyone says' would've gone over? (I often think high school is just the real world, but without the "civility" of only whispering things behind people's backs.) These are the final paragraphs from the article on social media i linked to above "whether or not there can ever be a utopian social web, or even just a civil one, is a tough proposition, because that would require us to change, too. The behaviour social media fosters has always existed in the human spirit: town meetings organised with the best interests of all involved descend into hateful shouting matches; children are bullied in the schoolyard; someone always cries at a birthday party. Perhaps the true horror is not the way we use social media to present ourselves to the world, but that in its dark heart of harassment, negativity and slothful complaints, it's rather more like staring into a mirror." [Link] |
| Dat_1_Dude Senior Member 1779 Posts 1/15 | Posted - Dec 18 2017 : 8:49PM I mean, look at Greg Lansky, his models have to place pics of his photoshoots to their profile pic/background when their respective scenes release However, it has unleashed the powerful wall of anonymity to allow many people unleash damaging hurtful speech, foreknowing the punishment will be minor at worst in most cases [Link] |
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