That is stupid ignorant comparison. We don't slaughter girls who are retarded, or a 12 year old boys for food. We do not do medical experiments on girls who are retarded, or a 12 year old boys. We don't kill girls who are retarded, or a 12 year old boys because no one wants them.LoL And your arguments are just as ignorant as last time.LOL The fact is there are no valid intelligent augments to be made against bestiality or the filming of it or the distribution. Any sex act that harms an animal can be prosecuted under animal abuse laws.Of course your right. The consent argument is ignorant and completely defies logic in our laws. Edited by - Shagdog on 3/25/2008 6:24:09 AM
Loraine This was actually true in rural farming areas. Men having sex with live stock and openly discussing it to the point you would say it was bragging. This was past down from one generation to the next by fathers, uncles and neighbors. Bestiality goes back to the beginning of time when humans started domesticating animals. Every generation thinks they invented sex. But all perverted acts of sex were practiced thousands of years ago. Unless you want to make the argument that European Christians adding shame and humiliation to sex was a perversion. Edited by - Shagdog on 3/25/2008 6:11:20 AM
Also, I'd like to know. You know those buttplugs that make it look like the chick has a horse's tail? If she's got one of those things stuck up her ass in a porn flick, does that make it simulated animal porn?
Shagdog, I have no wish to argue at all, I was merely asking if fucking an animal was something you might speak proudly of yourself? As always, at least for me, just because you can doesn't necessarily mean you should. I'm aware of history and folklore - Humboldt also has a nice reader on the topic for further research. You talk much of logic, I guess I'd suggest that logic alone doesn't govern human behaviour or response to human behaviours. People wanting to have sex with animals doesn't horrify me or even disgust me, I can understand why animals are attractive, it just doesn't seem... necessary - if that appears narrow minded, so be it.
Now see I reckon sticking with pony play is a good idea. Who doesn't love a high stepping fellow with a bit between his teeth whose only desire is to carry you around on his back? Or a puppy man for that matter - here doggy doggy!
Loraine I've never had sex with an animal or the desire to do so. Even growing up in rural Texas. I knew people that did, but I was never inclined to do so. If I had I would say so on this board. The "argument" is my only interest in bestiality. lol Edited by - Shagdog on 3/25/2008 1:04:55 PM
I hate to disagree with Loraine but I, for one, can't imagine finding an animal (any animal) sexually attractive. Yes. I kiss my dog on the snout but it's not a sexual thing. I don't look at her hindquarters and think sexual thoughts. It just wouldn't occur to me. Having said that, I don't find it horrifying that anyone would. I just don't understand.
Not true. Its just as taboo in rural parts as it is anywhere else. Bestiality is one of the rarest of sexual deviancies. Incest and child molestation have much higher occurrences. People are more likely to brag about rape than they are about animal fucking. It ranks around necrophilia.
You really think more people have sex outside the species than with children? Probably there are more sickos that rape infants alone. Come on, who's in fantasy land now.
Not a fair comparison. Outside of dogs you just don't have animals in most people's daily lives. Children however are a constant in most people's lives.
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Posted - Mar 25 2008 : 5:40PM
I always knew that fucking my dog was wrong, nobody had to tell me, besides she was a boston terrier. But evidently some people need to be taught not to fuck a dog.
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Posted - Mar 25 2008 : 5:49PM
What type of virus is HIV? HIV is a lentivirus, and like all viruses of this type, it attacks the immune system. Lentiviruses are in turn part of a larger group of viruses known as retroviruses. The name 'lentivirus' literally means 'slow virus' because they take such a long time to produce any adverse effects in the body. They have been found in a number of different animals, including cats, sheep, horses and cattle. However, the most interesting lentivirus in terms of the investigation into the origins of HIV is the Simian Immunodeficiency Virus (SIV) that affects monkeys. So did HIV come from an SIV? It is now thought that HIV came from a similar virus found in chimpanzees. It is now generally accepted that HIV is a descendant of a Simian Immunodeficiency Virus because certain strains of SIVs bear a very close resemblance to HIV-1 and HIV-2, the two types of HIV. HIV-2 for example corresponds to SIVsm, a strain of the Simian Immunodeficiency Virus found in the sooty mangabey (also known as the green monkey), which is indigenous to western Africa. The more virulent, pandemic strain of HIV, namely HIV-1, was until recently more difficult to place. Until 1999, the closest counterpart that had been identified was SIVcpz, the SIV found in chimpanzees. However, this virus still had certain significant differences from HIV.
Since you are all smart and shit. What is the probability that that HIV came from monkeys? Some think its all but disproven. Yet offer no other credible explanation.
Unless your Dr. Doolittle, your not gonna get much feedback from the animals, and even if you could, I expect it would take precedence somewhere down the list, below that baby seal issue we keep procrastinating over. That is, if the animals would even contend its abusive, for if a dog could smile, I'm convinced the grins on some great danes, would enormously jeopardize "abuse", to be an arguable claim. Nevertheless, if one must be drawn, I believe Bestiality ranks as an appropriate place for a line in the sand. A place where my own limited religious roots, sink deep enough, to wedge into the bedrock of sensibility, and warn not to tempt fate, by toiling in, or even condoning such foul acts against the clear laws of nature, lest I prepare for eternal damnation.
I still can't believe people are arguing over this! 13 pages of debating about something that probably doesn't appeal to more than 2% of the population of the world. Incredible! Edited by - randomprecision on 3/25/2008 10:56:34 PM
It has been proven. All DNA has seemingly useless non-coding regions. Since these regions are non-coding, mutations can occur without having negative effects on the phenotypes. Thus, these mutations are never lost and can be used to track the evolution of an organism, including HIV. An analysis of the genetic markers in the non-coding regions of HIV show common origins in three different sources of SIV, including a chimpanzee and a mangabey source. The most likely explanation is that a person was exposed to the virus by consuming improperly prepared bushmeat or by being bitten by a pet. (Mangabeys are sometimes kept as pets.)
Law was already passed. Having sex with animals, production and distribution of animal sex is illegal after 1st April. ( no, its isnt an aprils joke ) Owning is still legal. Buying it from a foreign country may be legal. To the wiki entry: In 1999, I also saw animal porn movies in Sweden at stores. When have they changed the laws ? And france distributors still sale animal porn. Edited by - Caroline-NL on 3/26/2008 10:42:47 AM
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Posted - Mar 26 2008 : 12:01PM
I do know that it isn't a CIA plot against the Black people. I said in my post, if you read it, that it could have come from a SIV. Why don't you google the origins of HIV. According to your theory the CIA decided that they would create a deadly virus to kill gay black herion addicts. I think you may be smoking to much pot.
While I don't buy into it the HIV was created by the CIA and crack was intentionally flooded into the ghettos is a popular myth amongst the black community.
I acknowledge it to be a myth. There are lots of modern myths about the evil of the white man wether it was crack and cocaine to the ghettos, creating HIV to exterminate blacks and gays, that we've already got an alternative fuel already created but the oil companies are keeping it down, that we've got a cure for cancer but life long treatments make more money and that's why the cure hasn't gone public.
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Posted - Mar 26 2008 : 4:59PM
you forgot to mention the Bush administration is responsible for 9/11. I know you said it was a myth. I just can't believe how some people could come up with some far fetched nonsense.
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Posted - Mar 26 2008 : 6:36PM
the goverment did not inject them with syphilis, it just did not cure them of syphilis or tell them they had syphilis. Which is obviously wrong, and their intention was to see what happens when they die. That is a far cry from saying the CIA created and spread HIV. Pres. Clinton actually apologized for the TSE and acknowledged it was wrong and racist.
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Posted - Mar 26 2008 : 6:47PM
But aside from that the topic is having sex with animals, which in my opinion is morally wrong andsick. That is my opinion. If someone out there wants to go fuck a horse or peanut butter up your cock and have Lassie lick it off, more power to you. I think somewhere down the line, when you have kids and they ask about your first love and you tell them it was a German Shepard named Lucky, they will look at you with a little less respect than if it was a A girl named Lori. Mom , Dad , I want to introduce you to my girlfriend. But honey it's a gerbil. Yeah , and....your point is what? when I did ludes back in the 70s, I had a hard time waking up the next day and knowing I fucked some ugly girl, knowing i fucked my friends Boston Terrier would have been a reason for suicide.
You misread my post. The CIA crack was a joke. I asked you for the "probability that HIV came from monkeys". I was expecting an answer like 25% or highly likely. Reread what I have written. I think HIV likely came from animals. It doesn't matter if it was bad bush meat or not. Unlike the flu virus, HIV is very weak outside of mammalian conditions. It needs active body fluids to transfer.
In the context of this thread, are you saying its safe to pork animals as long as they don't bite? The pro bestiality advocates on hear keep saying its a harmless act. I am saying that the acts may have far reaching consequences buy injecting a little science into the debate. How many people think there would not be any consequences for sharing discarded veterinarian syringes?
I'm saying the most likely origin of AIDS is an animal bite or consumption of bush meat. A virus can jump species regardless of whether there is sexual contact. The bird flu is an excellent example. It can be spread from birds to humans through contact with an infected bird's feathers, droppings or eggs. Also, no one has yet to answer my original question: How can a male dog mounting his mistress with no coaxing or prompting possibly be considered consensual?
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Posted - Mar 25 2008 : 2:54AM
Who doesn't love a high stepping fellow with a bit between his teeth whose only desire is to carry you around on his back? Or a puppy man for that matter - here doggy doggy!
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