It's funny how on this forum saying I dislike animal porn and it's disgusting and wrong (to me) is just as bad as gay bashing these days. I'll never understand that..
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| tmd5 Member seika izumi 502 Posts 6/04 |  Posted - Sep 8 2007 : 10:07PMIt's funny how on this forum saying I dislike animal porn and it's disgusting and wrong (to me) is just as bad as gay bashing these days. I'll never understand that.. Edited by - hardware on 9/9/2007 3:42:24 AM [Link] |
| newveggie07 Member 114 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Sep 8 2007 : 11:53PM mod: nested quote removed Edited by - hardware on 9/9/2007 3:43:14 AM [Link] |
| newveggie07 Member 114 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Sep 8 2007 : 11:58PM [Link] |
| Luvvy Duvvy Deactivated User 228 Posts 5/04 | Posted - Sep 9 2007 : 8:05AM [Link] |
| Shagdog Member Houston 626 Posts 1/07 | Posted - Sep 9 2007 : 9:18AM They’re being passed purely for religious reason and nothing else. By the way is against the US Constitution to enact laws for religious reasons. The consent argument doesn’t have any merit at all. Unless you ban locking a dog up in cage or in the back yard without their consent. Shut down all the slaughterhouses, medical research, and any human interaction without the animal consent. To me male/male gay porn is completely disgusting, as well as scat, puke, and other extreme porn. I have banned them from my porn viewing. Censer yourself and let others do the same. A beautiful lady with a big horny dog makes a very sexy movie. As well as does a lady with a horse. Edited by - Shagdog on 9/9/2007 9:50:57 AM [Link] |
| stinkfist Senior Member Subterfuge...... 7401 Posts 4/07 | Posted - Sep 9 2007 : 5:02PM [Link] |
| stinkfist Senior Member Subterfuge...... 7401 Posts 4/07 | Posted - Sep 9 2007 : 5:10PM Bodil Joensenits a really tragic tale about her life. [Link] |
BlackSix  All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Sep 10 2007 : 4:06AM [Link] |
| Luvvy Duvvy Deactivated User 228 Posts 5/04 | Posted - Sep 10 2007 : 4:54AM [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Sep 10 2007 : 5:24AM If children don't have the mental capacity to consent to sex with adults how can an animal be considered to have the capacity to do so? Read up on the incident that the doc 'Zoo' covers and you'll find that the fellows involved in the horse fucking had to come up with a particular contraption that prevented the horse from kicking their heads in while they 'made love.' [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Sep 10 2007 : 5:28AM [Link] |
| Sir Noel Plum Senior Studmuffin 1001 Posts 2/03 | Posted - Sep 10 2007 : 5:36AM Some of the sentiments expressed in this thread, whilst genuine, are entirely nonsensical (in my rather arrogantly expressed (and held) opinion). Let's take this example:The only truism in that post is the very first line because all that follows is indeed wholly ridiculous. I assume from the nature of BlackSix's comments, as he can see no differentiation between the children and animals that whilst he would get very hot under the collar about anyone molesting children or animals he would have no truck whatsoever if I was to cook up a few baby steaks or a rack of toddler ribs? We need to be very clear here about where we stand as individuals. Unless you are both religious and intent on pushing your mythology on everyone else there is simply no logical reason to treat sex as seperate to everything else; in a category all by itself. I could certainly accept a Hindu getting outraged by any human/bovine sexual contact as there would be no hypocrisy but for any steak and burger eating, milk swilling westerner it just smacks of the grossest form of hypocrisy. We treat children differently because they are humans; because we are closely related to them; because we have evolved to do so; because we are aware, and wish to avoid any phycological or physical trauma and to have our next generation grow up in the same manner we would wish for ourselves (and hopefully the manner we were treated when we were that age). We do not affect the same affections or emotions for animals and hence we do not afford them the same rights and privileges. This issue of the animals consent is so ludicrous as to hardly be worthy of comment and many opthers have already made the point as to whether we should also ask animals whether they wish to consent to be slaughtered, milked, kept in our homes for our entertainment or used as slaves ploughing or guiding blind people. Finally we have the old chesnut of 'normality' and 'unnaturalness'. Anyone who knows anything about culture, history and the history of human culture will know what a total sack of shit it is to condemn things on these grounds. Already people have mentioned rape and child molestation, two historically 'normal' acts held to be 'natural' across many cultural boundaries. Indeed the Prophet Muhammad, that role model for all muslims since, took a wife of six or seven when he was in his fifties and consumated the marriage when she was only nine: you will find no criticism of this in his day because at that time in that culture that was deemed acceptable. Is this the natural normality you wish to see introduced in modern society?? Of course it isn't!! We have progressed our morality beyond our humble past to a more logical set of tenets, a rational code where we look at consequences and affects on society: whichever side of the line bestiality falls I can tell you that it's naturalness or otherwise has sod all to do with it. Besides which, people were fucking animals in many early cultures, no-one was browsing the internet in those times. Looking at a monitor, using a keyboard, communicating over vast distances using a huge network of electric cabling and interconnected artificial computation and storage devices........ YOU THINK THIS IS NATURAL?????? anyway, hope you guys are all looking after yourselves, nice to check in once on a while :))) SNP Edited by - Sir Noel Plum on 9/10/2007 5:40:44 AM [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Sep 10 2007 : 5:51AM According to this argument nothing is wrong, you can never critize anyone, except apparently someone eating a hamburger. We are told by some here that the animal is not being abused and then we are told that it doesn't matter if the animal is being abused because we are all hypocrites because we eat meat. Is the animal being abused or not? If the argument is that it is wrong to eat animals, why then is it okay to fuck them? The assumption is that everyone opposing bestiality eat animals, which isn't true, and really a red herring anyway. I don't feel like getting lost in an endless debate about vegetarianism. The parallel is being drawn to distract from the issue at hand, which is the incapacity of an animal to consent to sex. [Link] |
| Sir Noel Plum Senior Studmuffin 1001 Posts 2/03 | Posted - Sep 10 2007 : 6:30AM I accept the fact you never used the word normal and I shall clarify that whilst i initially quoted a post of yours the content of my post was aimed at many other posts as well.One of the few absolutes here is that you are absolutely wrong to say that. I'm not even saying you can't criticise those who promote or view bestiality I'm just pointing out that the criteria you use are so arbitrary and inconsistent. You talk about 'abuse' of animals as if the sexual context has some particular right to be treated seperately to every other sphere. If it DOES have such a right to be treated differently please explain to me how or why that should be? Personally, in the UK, I see animals mistreated by their owners in many ways and often left in terrible conditions of neglect living in their own excrement and fatally undernourished or beaten to the point their bones are broken. The punishment is usually a ban on keeping animals for a few years and occasionally a short prison sentence. However, if you are caught with your pants down with a sheep (as a local man famously was a few years ago when a train went past him hehe) and you can expect to be treated much more harshly and even expect a sentence running into years: you can beat someone up into a pulp and get less than that in the UK.The problem comes if you try and apply ideas about what constitutes consent appropriate to, and intended for, humans to other animals. It's not a very sensible thing to do and as you have seen it results in nonsense debate. My view is that if animals ARE being abused (and by 'abused' I mean coerced into doing something they do not wish to do and which is detrimental to them in some way, mental or physical)then I would agree that that is a negative. We then have to balance that with the views and desires of their human keepers in exactly the same way we do when we force our cattle to pull ploughs or make dogs jump through rings of fire or elephants live in a zoo or circus. Your viewpoint is very extreme here: if the animal doesn't want to do it it shoudln't have to. Further, you seem to say that even if it appears to want to it can't, in human terms, consent and so it shouldn't do it anyway. Both the animals desires and ability to consent are up for debate here but what I've asked you already and will ask you again: why should we treat these things differently when sex is involved than in our other dealings with animals? You see my point isn't that it is ok to fuck animals, it is that on the scale of things we do to animals this is very very low down the line. Indeed, it does appear on the face of it that some animals appear to be enjoying it. A dog owner will usually take great pride in telling you how they can tell exactly what their dog enjoys and doesn't enjoy. I assume you would not naysay said dog owner that despite the dogs wagging tail and apparent excitement that the animal may in fact be dreading 'walkies'? Again I ask you the same question: why just because sex is involved do you feel that suddenly no-one is qualified to interpret a dogs keenness? (or are you really saying that dogs don't 'consent' to walkies by their apparently delighted behaviour?Or indeed, in the terms you require, to consent to anything whatsoever. Let me ask you one more question. Would you be happy for someone to have sex with an animal if the animal COULD consent by whatever method you define? Maybe if we could breed a super-intelligent Mr Ed style talking horse, would you then be happy for a woman to fellate it, at the horses request? I think I'd like to know your answer to this question even more than the question I've asked you about 3 times in the preceeding paragraphs. SNP Edited by - Sir Noel Plum on 9/10/2007 6:33:27 AM [Link] |
| Joey Starr Senior Member Still wanking after all these years. 8082 Posts 10/00 | Posted - Sep 10 2007 : 6:36AM [Link] |
| Sir Noel Plum Senior Studmuffin 1001 Posts 2/03 | Posted - Sep 10 2007 : 6:42AM I see you've done some serious posting this last couple of years hehe!! SNP. [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Sep 10 2007 : 6:48AM You think I'm drawing the line at sexual behavior, but the issue isn't that the behavior is sexual, it is that it is cruel. We make our children do things they don't want to do (go to bed, eat vegetables) but we don't torture them or have sex with them. I know that you don't think that is a legitimate comparsion but I would disagree. As I pointed out in an earlier post, those committing bestiality often have to come up with ways of preventing the animal from biting them or bashing their heads in, so many of the claims that the animal is 'enjoying it' have to be taken with a grain of salt. Now if, as you propose, the horse was super intelligent and capable of requesting a blowjob, sure that would be okay. I'm not sure how you were expecting me to respond to such a scenario. But of course as I'm sure you know now we are purely in the realm of science fiction (sounds like a Philip Jose Farmer story actually).  [Link] |
| Shagdog Member Houston 626 Posts 1/07 | Posted - Sep 10 2007 : 6:49AM Consent is implied by their unforced participation [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Sep 10 2007 : 6:53AM Would you give a pass to someone who has 'unforced' sex with 8 year olds? Molesters are quick to tell you that the children 'wanted' it and 'participated' in it as well. Edited by - BlackSix on 9/10/2007 6:54:50 AM [Link] |
| licker Senior Member Heretic, Iconoclast, Skeptic 1141 Posts 8/03 | Posted - Sep 10 2007 : 7:03AM [Link] |
| Sir Noel Plum Senior Studmuffin 1001 Posts 2/03 | Posted - Sep 10 2007 : 7:19AM SNP editted to say: thx Licker, maybe i should actually keep my password more to hand and not have to jump through hoops when i read an interesting post hehe Edited by - Sir Noel Plum on 9/10/2007 7:21:56 AM [Link] |
| Dracula Member Women's necks are too damned sexy for me! 756 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Sep 10 2007 : 9:36AM Like I have said, I'm pretty open minded, but bestiality goes off the end of the chart for me. I can't understand it. To me it is like raping the animal -- there is no consent, there is not meeting of the minds. And bestiality has nothing to do with eating the animal. They are two separate things, one is legal, the other is not. If we want to discuss these points and argue for or against bestiality, can we at least stay on the topic? Convince me that the animal always likes it, that the animal is never abused, that the sex is never forced. [Link] |
| Sir Noel Plum Senior Studmuffin 1001 Posts 2/03 | Posted - Sep 10 2007 : 10:05AM It's a simple question I grant that but your answer that they are irrelevant is not any kind of an answer at all, just a statement of your position. I'll give you two differences that are immediately obvious to me (to help you get started): 1) We can assume ( I would hope) that no animal would evolve to give consent to its own slaughter. In other words, some actions are clearly against an animals consent, others are open to debate and interpretation (such as the subject of sex between an animal and a human, or a forced mating between two animals as part of a breeding program) and may or may not be issues of coercion and suffering for the animal. 2) Abrahamic faiths have poisoned the topic of sex inexcusably and make it impossible for many people to answer these questions in a logical framework. Quite simply, for many people (maybe not you ofc), whatever their talk of it being about the animals welfare and consent and whatnot it's really bottom-line to do with sex and their disgust with people having sex with animals, nothing whatsoever to do with the animals welfare. We have seen the same thing with general porn in the uk, religious groups using one argument after another - as one fell they came up with another as to why porn should be banned: all of it a smokescreen, a series of reasons the root of which was the issue of the material offending their personal private faith (and their personal private desire to foist it on the whole of society) Believe me, i have no problem with animal porn being illegal and bestial acts being illegal. However, the penalty for being caught in possession of animal porn should be the same as being caught in possession of a video of someone mildly abusing a dog or cat at the very worst; someone caught having sex with their dog should certainly get no more of a penalty than the lout who gets caught booting a dog in the face on the village green. Right or wrong, the whole issue is blown way out of perspective in my humble opinion. SNP. [Link] |
| Dracula Member Women's necks are too damned sexy for me! 756 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Sep 10 2007 : 1:23PM Some people think that there is no argument against bestiality since many of the same who are against it, are not against eating animals. We're talking about bestiality, not talking about eating animals. The eating animals is brought up to distract from the main topic, yes? If you can't see the flaw here, there can be no dialog. I think eating animals is ok. I enjoy burgers, steaks, chops, brats and hot dogs. Delicious! I think bestiality is not ok, I think it is rape. I know, this does not compute to some, but that's my take. Like I said, the logic is flawed, but at least I can stay on the topic. And my position is just that, my own opinion, flawed to some, not flawed to me. :) P.S. If someone can prove that the animal is never abused, raped or tortured, that in fact the animal always wants this to happen to them, I might change my view. I try and keep an open mind. [Link] |
| LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Sep 10 2007 : 2:44PM Not to mentions those infected to produce serum or for experimental reasons , I'm pretty sure they would rather avoid such things if requested. Sex has no particular meaning to any animal but for humans , they don't have moral issues , don't mind about sin , they don't have psychological traumas about that , a dog fucks and that's all he will not give a second thought to that fact actually I believe that a bath with soap is much more traumatic for him , but I understand it is not sex. In history to have sex with animals has not been an issue except when some of them were considered incarnation of Satan in some Sabba , but there's a lot of literature about sexual relations between humans and animals , in Mythology for example Zeus incarned himself in many animals to breed with women (Leda and the Swann for example)in Lucius Apuleius' Metamorphosis Liber IX (or XI can't remember) best known as Asinus Aureus there's a scene in which a rich Roman woman who fucks him transformed into a donkey (but she don't know it,)not to mention the myth of the Minotaur, there are a lot of stories about sheperds and sheeps abot Camel Sheperds and Camels about Lama's Sheperds and many more , Woody Allen playing a psychologist directed a scene with a man who was in love with his sheep , also Walerian Borowockzic in La Bete (the Beast) showed a sexual intercourse between an oniric beast used to rape women and one of these women. Did you saw King Kong? an animal indeed who fell in love with a girl. So in culture even modern western culture bestiality has never been an issue. I think that the humanizing of our pets is the cause of some of these issues here , we now consider our pets almost humans , member of family so we want to protect them the same way we protect our children and consider animal sex almost the same way we consider child sex- This is of course a problem in western societies and better to say in Anglo-Saxons societies , it is spreading in many others western Countries though. There are valid points anyway about not allowing animal sex, I don't think for example that a snake enjoys to be used as a living dildo, nor does a fish also I'm not sure a chicken had fun being penetrated by a cock , same thing for a pyton although it is large enough to kill a man and even to have sex penetrating a male dog in the ass might be an issue however a dog can bite and can defend himself especially a large dog As said I'm not decided on that matter besides I'm not a veggie and I'm perfectly aware that what I eat was living not long before , a fate way worse than having sex with someone. Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 9/10/2007 2:48:34 PM [Link] |
| stinkfist Senior Member Subterfuge...... 7401 Posts 4/07 | Posted - Sep 10 2007 : 6:40PM |
| LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Sep 10 2007 : 7:01PM [Link] |
| Shagdog Member Houston 626 Posts 1/07 | Posted - Sep 10 2007 : 7:49PM It's no where near the same thing. Again you can't speak for the animal. All your doing is making up things. There is not a logical reason to ban bestiality. [Link] |
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| wargamer Member 157 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 2:11AM Animals are entitled to the same rights as humans? Most people would find it hilarious. Besides, if you say a dog so eager to hump a woman is being abused... mod: snipped the quote Edited by - hardware on 9/11/2007 4:26:27 AM [Link] |
| wargamer Member 157 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 2:27AM Dogs and pigs for instance don't have be trained. Their sexual interest in humans is natural.(some do and some don't but you cannot train those( who don't) to be interested in humans sexually by training) [Link] |
| wargamer Member 157 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 2:37AM Substitute in "interracial" and "miscegenation" for "bestiality" and your statement could have come from an upstanding citizen of the US not too long ago. [Link] |
| dvd4dvd Deactivated User 292 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 2:50AM beastiality is sick.. who ever is into that is one sick ass puppy and needs to be behind padded walls and feed through that little tiny square sliding metal rat door on the lowest part of one of the walls. beastiality is right in the same category as pedophiles, only sicker. you shouldnt have to think it over, or think twice, or say..hmm let me think about it for a second. no! there's a term called sicko. and that term was created for people like this. fine or not, hottie or not, nasty or not, this is sick period. and there's nothing sexy about seeing man versus animal having sex (or woman versus animal). it's just down right sicko [Link] |
| wargamer Member 157 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 3:01AM Such a super-sensitive guy who is so concerned about the fragile psyche of animals... This is just hilarious especially because he is so serious... I can picture him worrying , after eating a big steak meal, "today I was so harsh on my cow. I should not have raised my voice. She must have been so hurt. I feel so bad." [Link] |
| dvd4dvd Deactivated User 292 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 3:20AM Nobody gives a rat's ass about the animal. I eat burgers, meat, drink milk,eat eggs,bacon, the works. but the fact that someone is so disconnected with real people,or has no people skills, or doesnt have the balls to date within his own race, and has to go that far Deep Closet, infact that's beyond Deep Closet, that's going underneath your house "Disturbia" weird. now if a guy wants to bang his dog Roger, go for it. bang away. but that's sick. and I wouldn't doubt that people like that were probably 1 hour too late from getting a rabies shot and that's why they think like that. btw? I wonder if people like that get a woody from hearing a dog bark.."ruff.ruff". p.s and it's even sicker when the sicko is a babe? what the hell is there a shortage of men penis? [Link] |
| Dean Wormer Senior Member Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son. 1048 Posts 7/04 | Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 3:56AM [Link] |
| wargamer Member 157 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 9:40AM Edited by - wargamer on 9/11/2007 10:00:52 AM [Link] |
| Dracula Member Women's necks are too damned sexy for me! 756 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 10:09AM [Link] |
| stinkfist Senior Member Subterfuge...... 7401 Posts 4/07 | Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 10:24AM [Link] |
| wargamer Member 157 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 11:05AM Most men, even those heavily into zoo porn, have absolutely no interest in seeing, let alone performing, sexual acts with female animals. I guess the psychology behind it is something similar to that of a white man wanting to see white women and black men etc. Many enjoy color contrast and all that but then there are many who are turned on by the thought of white women with black men itself. This was not meant to be an insult to black people but to tell it as it is. [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 11:07AM This argument is almost cartoonish. Seems like people will argue about anything. The people who get really upset over it are especially amusing.[Link] |
| stinkfist Senior Member Subterfuge...... 7401 Posts 4/07 | Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 11:11AM Edited by - stinkfist on 9/11/2007 11:15:14 AM [Link] |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 1:06PM [Link] |
| wargamer Member 157 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 1:48PM I mean, what does Holland have other than these bestiality movies? just football that looks all very good except choking at the most crucial moments. and wildmills and roses. Edited by - wargamer on 9/11/2007 1:54:52 PM [Link] |
| LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 1:56PM So if someone forces a someone else to have sex ve MUST ban sex? It is a crime whether done with a rottweiler or not EDIT removed quotes Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 9/11/2007 2:52:01 PM [Link] |
| wargamer Member 157 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 2:10PM If there is a rampant disease transmitted from eating beef, most countries will be reluctant to ban beef outright but if the disease is from eating frogs even France will consider banning it. At least for the time being. Take it easy. It is not an all or nothing issue. But there is no doubt that the above unfortunate incident is nothing but an excuse for the people who wanted to ban bestiality no matter what. Edited by - wargamer on 9/11/2007 2:12:06 PM Edited by - hardware on 9/11/2007 7:35:38 PM [Link] |
| LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 2:33PM Actually there are much more sexual diseases transmitted between humans than from animal to human (if any) especially if that animal is yours ,he's way more faithful than any husband , and you know exactly how clean he is in fact you're the one who clean him. [Link] |
| stinkfist Senior Member Subterfuge...... 7401 Posts 4/07 | Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 2:46PM [Link] |
| tmd5 Member seika izumi 502 Posts 6/04 | Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 5:42PM Edited by - tmd5 on 9/11/2007 7:46:00 PM [Link] |
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