Bestiality/Scenes with animals (page 4)

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stinkfist Senior Member Subterfuge...... 7401 Posts 4/07	Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 5:47PM Mans best friend [Link]
eduardo911 Senior Member 1299 Posts 8/03	Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 6:25PM wargamer wrote: Actually the real reason is that some Dutch mobs forced a rottweiler on an immigrant girl(I think was a morrocan). Click to expand I don't think any particular incident was quoted as 'the real reason'. BTW the incident you mention was about 'African migrant women', which is not the usual mediaspeak for Moroccans in the Netherlands. I think a substantial portion of Dutch GNP is generated by bestiality movies. Click to expand This remark is just too ridiculous for words. 'A substantial part' of 530 billion US$ p.a.? There must be a hell of a lot of hidden bestiality lovers out there to generate that kind of turnover. Lately they have become more of peddlers than producers with East Europeans and Brazilians taking over the production part. Click to expand 'Lately'? I dare you to name ONE commercially available Dutch-produced bestiality movie (that was shot in the Netherlands, or with Dutch performers) that was shot after the 1990s (and that is a conservative estimate - actually I don't think any have been marketed after the mid 1990s, and even before that there were very few. The majority of BFI productions were shot with Russian girls. Topscore is almost all Hungarian girls. The Brazilians have their own distribution companies. If there is a capital of canine porn it is probably Japan by now. The Dutch role in distribution is acknowledged, but to suggest that it is a major production centre of commercial animal porn is baseless. I mean, what does Holland have other than these bestiality movies? Click to expand Well, what about the 16th largest economy in the world (despite having only 0.0025% of the world's population) ranking 10th in the world in GDP per capita; the second largest port in the world (Rotterdam); the co-invention by Philips (with Sony) and first production (by Philips) of the world's first cd; the development of Bluetooth technology for Ericsson by Jaap Haartsen; the Delta Works, one of the largest construction projects in human history and acknowledged by the American Society of Civil Engineers as one of the modern World Wonders; one of the largest oil companies in the world (Dutch-British), Royal Dutch/Shell; one of the largest banking/insurance groups in the world (ING Group). So we don't need no animal porn to drive our economy, thank you very much. Edited by - eduardo911 on 9/11/2007 6:33:01 PM [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 6:48PM You forgot flowers and that Holland is one of the 6 founders of the European Union being the others France , Germany, Italy, Belgium and Luxembourg [Link]
eduardo911 Senior Member 1299 Posts 8/03	Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 7:07PM Sure, I could go on an on, the main point is the suggestion of 'what else do the Dutch have' is ludicrous (and distracts from the main topic). And I object to the trend of declaring the Netherlands single-handedly responsible for the production and consumption of animal porn, or drugs, etc. [Link]

wargamer Member 157 Posts 9/07	Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 9:12PM eduardo911 wrote: I don't think any particular incident was quoted as 'the real reason'. BTW the incident you mention was about 'African migrant women', which is not the usual mediaspeak for Moroccans in the Netherlands. Click to expand It said "North African". There are not that many countries in North Africa and Morroco would be a good bet. Actually it may actually have been Morroco in the article I saw a few years ago. Right now the following is the only one I can find... "The public prosecutor demanded in Lelystad Court on Tuesday jail terms of .....The three men were arrested in April 2004 after three North African asylum seekers were kidnapped in Belgium and forced to have sex with men and animals in a farm shed in the north-eastern Dutch village of Kraggenburg." ...This remark is just too ridiculous for words. 'A substantial part' of 530 billion US$ p.a.? There must be a hell of a lot of hidden bestiality lovers out there to generate that kind of turnover. Click to expand Or maybe you have not looked hard enough. 'Lately'? I dare you to name ONE commercially available Dutch-produced bestiality movie (that was shot in the Netherlands, or with Dutch performers) that was shot after the 1990s Click to expand That is pretty easy. Adilia. She runs her own website as well as has titles under BFI labels. They are almost all post 2000. In fact there are still quite a few Dutch performers in BFI titles especially Animal Passion series. (and that is a conservative estimate - actually I don't think any have been marketed after the mid 1990s, and even before that there were very few. Click to expand Obviously you don't know what you are talking about. Well, what about the 16th largest economy in the world (despite having only 0.0025% of the world's population) ranking 10th in the world in GDP per capita; Click to expand I fail to see how that could impress anyone here since most people are from a country with a bigger GDP and a higher GDP per capita. So we don't need no animal porn to drive our economy, thank you very much. Click to expand Good for you but many of your countrymen seem to think otherwise. [Link]
Yankey Doodel Member 283 Posts 11/05	Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 9:17PM I feel that a fundamental, underlying issue has been approached in previous posts that it is impossible now to turn back from: which is that this appears to be a problem of absolute vs. relative type moral notions. To my mind I find it much less a concern whether or not a person decides to engage himself in bestiality, than rather how he chooses to go about it. For instance, if a man were to undertake this animal coitus with his intention being to enact a type of triumphal performance in celebration of his dominion over his counterparts in the beastly realm, then the practise would be fit to be admired as being of a sound virtue. But on the other hand, which is most likely the usual case unfortunately, if the human person is driven to such an exceptional act, one that is almost universally considered worthy of scorn by his fellow humans, due only to his own 'animal' appetite for new methods of satisfaction, then what has occurred is that those very beast natures within himself have overtaken his higher designation and he has become essentially a mere animal himself (as distinguished from the human being as a more advanced 'supra-animal'). I myself don't partake of these activities, triumphantly or otherwise, but this in my opinion is the proper ethical cornerstone on which they ought to be measured. It can also be readily applied to the vantage-point from which pornography of the sort is viewed. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Sep 12 2007 : 3:07AM Believe me, i have no problem with animal porn being illegal and bestial acts being illegal. However, the penalty for being caught in possession of animal porn should be the same as being caught in possession of a video of someone mildly abusing a dog or cat at the very worst; someone caught having sex with their dog should certainly get no more of a penalty than the lout who gets caught booting a dog in the face on the village green. Right or wrong, the whole issue is blown way out of perspective in my humble opinion. Click to expand I agree with you on this. Shagdog's argument that we don't know that the animal is suffering because we can't read its thoughts is odd; if someone is comatose can we have sex with their limp body? Because we can't read an animals thoughts we can torture it for our own pleasure? Random is right though, this topic is probably being treated more seriously than it needs to be. So, has anyone here ever seen a Sady Baby film? [Link]
stinkfist Senior Member Subterfuge...... 7401 Posts 4/07	Posted - Sep 12 2007 : 4:58AM My thoughts on bestiality..watch the whole clip.. [Link]
darkside762000 Member United Kingdom 91 Posts 3/06	Posted - Sep 12 2007 : 7:21AM eduardo911 wrote: Well, what about the 16th largest economy in the world/... Click to expand You forgot all of the footballers your clubs bring through as youth players and then sell to Italian/Spanish/English clubs for £10-20 million a throw as well... Edited by - hardware on 9/12/2007 7:47:42 AM [Link]
stinkfist Senior Member Subterfuge...... 7401 Posts 4/07	Posted - Sep 12 2007 : 9:00AM At least these animals have the right idea..YES.... YES....YES.. [Link]
eduardo911 Senior Member 1299 Posts 8/03	Posted - Sep 12 2007 : 1:27PM wargamer wrote: It said "North African". Click to expand I haven't seen that before. This is what it said in the Dutch media: "In de Kraggenburger pornozaak worden zes verdachten vervolgd voor hun betrokkenheid bij de ontvoering van drie Afrikaanse vluchtelingen vanuit Brussel naar de Flevopolder." Moroccans are not usually called 'Africans' in the Dutch media, nor do they frequently (if ever) arrive as 'refugees'. Click to expand Or maybe you have not looked hard enough. Click to expand I don't need to look hard, there is plenty of healthy economic activity and no 'porn-state' conspiracy theories are necessary to account for Dutch GDP. That is pretty easy. Adilia. Click to expand I haven't seen a shred of evidence that Adilia is Dutch (or that Dilara is Belgian as she claims to be, for that matter). Information about performers' nationality provided on websites are usually complete nonsense. Beasthunt, for example indicated that Suzy Spark and and the other Hungarians are 'Dutch'. And all the Russian Seventeen models that have been in BFI movies were also routinely presented as 'Dutch' in Seventeen magazines. Obviously you don't know what you are talking about. Click to expand If you say so. I fail to see how that could impress anyone here since most people are from a country with a bigger GDP and a higher GDP per capita. Click to expand Larger GDP yes, as you would expect from countries with population sizes in the hundreds of millions like China, India, Indonesia, Brazil, Russia, and Mexico, which between them already account for about half the world population. Actually the population of all countries ranking above the Netherlands in GDP per capita combined amount to some 550 million people, or less then 10 percent of the world population, a far cry from 'most people'. The ranking varies a bit every year, but this includes oil states like the Arab Emirates and tax havens like the Cayman Islands. The only countries that have both higher GDP and higher GDP per capita are the US, Japan, Canada and Australia. [Link]
stinkfist Senior Member Subterfuge...... 7401 Posts 4/07	Posted - Sep 12 2007 : 4:23PM Honestly..animals are as vain as humans.. [Link]
brewski Deactivated User 208 Posts 6/07	Posted - Sep 12 2007 : 4:35PM I saw a married couple suck off a donkey in Juarez, and I saw a girl insert an eel in her pussy in Bangkok.The eel made choking sounds, and I was drunk and lmfao. Good times. [Link]
brewski Deactivated User 208 Posts 6/07	Posted - Sep 12 2007 : 4:44PM In the 70s, a Chicago theatre near Clark/Grand routinely showed barnyard flicks with girls sucking off horses. Boring, but nobody complained. [Link]

stinkfist Senior Member Subterfuge...... 7401 Posts 4/07	Posted - Sep 12 2007 : 5:06PM Oh my god..there going nuts....anything to feed there habit.. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Sep 12 2007 : 6:08PM brewski wrote: In the 70s, a Chicago theatre near Clark/Grand routinely showed barnyard flicks with girls sucking off horses. Boring, but nobody complained. Click to expand I heard about it, something called Chicago Live Show or so [Link]
stinkfist Senior Member Subterfuge...... 7401 Posts 4/07	Posted - Sep 12 2007 : 6:41PM Stuff this..i love my dog. [Link]
wargamer Member 157 Posts 9/07	Posted - Sep 12 2007 : 7:22PM Moroccans are not usually called 'Africans' in the Dutch media, nor do they frequently (if ever) arrive as 'refugees'. Click to expand This is sublimely ridiculous. So if they are proven to be Algerian instead of Moroccan your cause is vindicated and I am a liar? After all, I said "...I think... Moroccan", didn't I? LOL. I don't need to look hard, Click to expand Because you don't want to. I haven't seen a shred of evidence that Adilia is Dutch (or that Dilara is Belgian as she claims to be, for that matter). Click to expand Who the hell is Dilara? You mean Bilara? Information about performers' nationality provided on websites are usually complete nonsense. Click to expand What do you require? a birth certificate? I don't think you can prove anyone's nationality over the internet this way. Not even your own. This is pretty funny. Don't you think Brazilians and Hungarians may demand the same sort of "proof" from you? ...Larger GDP yes, as you would expect from countries with population sizes in the hundreds of millions like China, India, Indonesia, Brazil, Russia, and Mexico, which between them already account for about half the world population. Actually the population of all countries ranking above the Netherlands in GDP per capita combined amount to some 550 million people, or less then 10 percent of the world population, a far cry from 'most people'. The ranking varies a bit every year, but this includes oil states like the Arab Emirates and tax havens like the Cayman Islands. The only countries that have both higher GDP and higher GDP per capita are the US, Japan, Canada and Australia. Click to expand This is pretty silly. It is obvious from the context I meant "...most people here..." deliberately referring to the US with that sarcastic overtone(as it is too obvious). And your requirement(larger GDP AND higher GDP per cap) is unfair since conversely those countries with a higher figure in either one of the two will likewise think less of you. LOL man. Even Hong Kong has a higher GDP per capita PPP(purchasing power parity) than holland. Your chest must be swelling in pride because you beat Hong Kong in the overall GDP ranking. [Link]
stinkfist Senior Member Subterfuge...... 7401 Posts 4/07	Posted - Sep 12 2007 : 7:31PM Nice dog..His names lucky. [Link]
brewski Deactivated User 208 Posts 6/07	Posted - Sep 12 2007 : 8:24PM That dog looks exactly like the German Shepherd that banged Linda Lovelace in an 8mm loop. Contrary to popular opinion, she had a big smile on her face the whole time. Cost me about $2 in quarters. [Link]
stinkfist Senior Member Subterfuge...... 7401 Posts 4/07	Posted - Sep 12 2007 : 8:36PM Heres another..Well trained dog. [Link]
brewski Deactivated User 208 Posts 6/07	Posted - Sep 12 2007 : 8:44PM The vast majority of single women who own dogs let the dogs lick their pussy. I've known several. [Link]
wargamer Member 157 Posts 9/07	Posted - Sep 12 2007 : 9:34PM brewski wrote: That dog looks exactly like the German Shepherd that banged Linda Lovelace in an 8mm loop. Click to expand It was not a German Shepherd. It was a hound-type mongrel. Contrary to popular opinion, she had a big smile on her face the whole time. Cost me about $2 in quarters. Click to expand On 42nd street? You must be pretty old. [Link]
stinkfist Senior Member Subterfuge...... 7401 Posts 4/07	Posted - Sep 13 2007 : 6:17PM How many of the pro bestiality posters here actually practice what they preach..Heres what happens when that date at the zoo goes wrong.. [Link]

Slonik Member 87 Posts 1/07	Posted - Sep 13 2007 : 6:30PM brewski wrote: The vast majority of single women who own dogs let the dogs lick their pussy. I've known several. Click to expand In your dreams... [Link]
eduardo911 Senior Member 1299 Posts 8/03	Posted - Sep 13 2007 : 6:58PM wargamer wrote: [...] and I am a liar? Click to expand No, we're having a difference of opinion. I can't prove it any more than you can. Because you don't want to Click to expand No, because there is plenty of evidence that points to an economy which runs on normal economic sectors such as agriculture, industry, financial services, etc. You are the one that made an unlikely assertion about the composition of Dutch GDP, for which there isn't the slightest indication in the available statistic data. Click to expand Who the hell is Dilara? You mean Bilara? Click to expand My mistake. Dilara is the porn alias of Sibel Kekilli, but yes, I actually meant to type 'Bilara'. I don't think you can prove anyone's nationality over the internet this way. [...] Don't you think Brazilians and Hungarians may demand the same sort of "proof" from you? Click to expand They might. I'm using 'evidence' in the sense of supporting information, not in the sense of legal proof. In the Brazilian case the indications include the language (Brazilian girls tend to be very vocal in sex scenes, unlike many East European girls). If I see a mulatta type which speaks Portuguese with a Brazilian accent who plays in a movie on a Brazilian label, I think it's reasonable to assume she's Brazilian, even though I haven't seen her passport. As for the Hungarians, some of them have done mainstream porn an their nationalities are a matter of record (e.g. on Eurobabe index). I've heard Suzy Spark, 'Andy Private', and Silvi Anderson speaking Hungarian. Some of the shoots have elements that can be recognized as Hungarian (suchs as road signs) and/or are very suggestive (such as tradional costume). Same story for some of the Russian girls from Seventeen/BFI. Pantera (aka Marina) is one of them, and her Russian background is also a matter of record. There are only three animal porn performers that I assume to be Dutch, and they are ones that I have actually heard speaking Dutch. This is not the case with Adilia, but I have heard her speaking German, without any indication of a Dutch accent. I can't prove she isn't Dutch, but don't think there is sufficient reason to believe she is. If you know more than I do in this respect, feel free to enlighten me. And your requirement(larger GDP AND higher GDP per cap) is unfair Click to expand GDP per capita is an indicator of economic productivity. GDP size is an indicator of economic influence (obviously, it is easier to be influential if you're big). To have both is a fair indication of good economic performance, especially with a diversified economy rather than one that relies mainly on one sector or commodity. Your chest must be swelling in pride because you beat Hong Kong in the overall GDP ranking. Click to expand No, I'm just reacting to your unfair and baseless insinuations about my country. [Link]
wargamer Member 157 Posts 9/07	Posted - Sep 13 2007 : 8:42PM No, because there is plenty ... You are the one that made an unlikely assertion about the composition of Dutch GDP, for which there isn't the slightest indication in the available statistic data. Click to expand What is "substantial" is a subjective judgement. Nitpicking makes you look silly. Especially when you say things like "statistic data".(There is "statistical data" or maybe you meant "statistics" but a "statistic" is a type of function in mathematical statistics. Even when it is rarely used to mean a datum it cannot be used as a nominal modifier of "data".) "I don't think you can prove anyone's nationality over the internet this way. [...] Don't you think Brazilians and Hungarians may demand the same sort of "proof" from you?" They might. I'm using 'evidence' in the sense of supporting information, not in the sense of legal proof. In the Brazilian case the indications include the language (Brazilian girls tend to be very vocal in sex scenes, unlike many East European girls). If I see a mulatta type which speaks Portuguese with a Brazilian accent who plays in a movie on a Brazilian label, I think it's reasonable to assume she's Brazilian, even though I haven't seen her passport. Click to expand Why? Are you sure she is not a Portuguese mulatta? There are black people in Portugal. I hope you don't claim to be able to pick out the Brazillian accent from the European one.(just by hearing girls going "Ay Ay"?). There are only three animal porn performers that I assume to be Dutch, and they are ones that I have actually heard speaking Dutch. This is not the case with Adilia, but I have heard her speaking German, without any indication of a Dutch accent. I can't prove she isn't Dutch, but don't think there is sufficient reason to believe she is. If you know more than I do in this respect, feel free to enlighten me. Click to expand Yes I knew it!!! She is German!!! a German secret agent on an assignment to besmirch Netherland. She is so meticulous that she even recruits models in Dutch(even though presumably there has been no Dutch applicant). And she also pretends to worry about Dutch laws. How low these Germans can go... LOL man. GDP per capita is an indicator of economic productivity. GDP size is an indicator of economic influence (obviously, it is easier to be influential if you're big). To have both is a fair indication of good economic performance, especially with a diversified economy rather than one that relies mainly on one sector or commodity. Click to expand But the point is YOU don't have both with respect to a lot of countries(or country-equivalents). Like Hong Kong(higher GDP PPP per cap than you) South Korea(larger GDP) so on so forth. I did not include the more obvious like Russia,Brazil,China,India etc(larger GDP) or Switzerland Finland,Irelnad(higher per capita GDP). The above are the ones roughly comparable to Holland both in living standards and population size. Or let me put it this way. If you rank the members here according to GDP and GDP per cap of their country of origin, far more than half will rank above you in BOTH of these indices. That is what I meant by "most". Edited by - wargamer on 9/13/2007 9:46:17 PM [Link]
stinkfist Senior Member Subterfuge...... 7401 Posts 4/07	Posted - Sep 13 2007 : 8:45PM This poor dog spent the rest of its days pining for its master..Greyfriars bobby....that would bring a tear to a glass eye. [Link]
eduardo911 Senior Member 1299 Posts 8/03	Posted - Sep 14 2007 : 4:45AM Especially when you say things like "statistic data". Click to expand I stand corrected. I assume you never make a mistake when you use a foreign language. I hope you don't claim to be able to pick out the Brazillian accent from the European one. Click to expand Actually, I do - BTW, some say considerably more than "ay, ay". I've been to Portugal several times and know Brazilian people in Amsterdam. It's no more difficult than distinguishing American English from British English. There is also circumstantial evidence, such as that at least two girls from the Brazilian labels Mr Dog and Mr Horse also appear a TTB movie shot in Brazil, and another one is interviewed in a regular porn movie on the Brasileirinhas lable. As for Adilia, the site recruits models both in Dutch and in German, so that doesn't help much. Edited by - eduardo911 on 9/14/2007 4:52:57 AM [Link]
wargamer Member 157 Posts 9/07	Posted - Sep 14 2007 : 12:54PM eduardo911 wrote:As for Adilia, the site recruits models both in Dutch and in German, so that doesn't help much. Click to expand Actually in three languages, English, Dutch and German. But you missed the point. If there were so few Dutch performers why would she include Dutch?(there really are not that many Dutch speakers outside Holland.) Just to deceive? [Link]
caroline-NL Member 543 Posts 3/07	Posted - Sep 14 2007 : 3:54PM I think the "high times" of animal porn in the NL are over. We had quite a lot of girls and women performing in zoo porn in the 70s and 80s, but not any longer. But in the late 90s, Ive met a young woman (19) who claimed, she made some movies with beast hunt, a dutch site. Its a mystery to me, why so many dutch companies are ONLY in the web, and almost no new animal porn movies are seen on DVD ( from NL, not Brazil ! ) in the sex shops. It is still legal to produce and to sell animal porn. Its interesting, that this thread is one of the biggest now. I still cant understand, what is so "evil", if a woman enjoys sex with a pony. If I defend this, especially men attack me, " you are defending animal torture ", no, I am against animal torture, and I know, that in some animal porn animals are molested. I am totally against this ! But animal porn isnt per se torture, as normal porn isnt per se rape porn. Its really strange, that even many "pro porn" men are here using the cliches, that "anti porn feminists" use against porn in toto. [Link]
caroline-NL Member 543 Posts 3/07	Posted - Sep 14 2007 : 3:59PM @eduardo911 Regarding the inventions of the Netherlands... Please dont forget that "we" - together with the Germans - invented the VCR. The first home VCR was presented in 1972. Years ahead of Beta and - of course - VHS. [Link]
brewski Deactivated User 208 Posts 6/07	Posted - Sep 14 2007 : 4:44PM Sheep sex has always been legal in the Netherlands, and supposedly is preferred by most educated Dutch men. Amsterdam had lambs in some of those redlight windows. [Link]
wargamer Member 157 Posts 9/07	Posted - Sep 14 2007 : 5:11PM Regarding the inventions of the Netherlands... Please dont forget that "we" - together with the Germans - invented the VCR. The first home VCR was presented in 1972. Click to expand If you are talking about Phillips' VCR I should say there was nothing remarkable about it other than ,oddly, the format was named "VCR". LOL. The first comercially successful VCR format was U-matic by Sony. It is still used by some. The only credit Phillips can take is that their format was the first intended for home use from the outset that was comercially viable(albeit just barely). That is a long qualification. But U-matic was so successful that even its unintended home-use by elite consumers outdid whatever Phillips' VCR could hope for. [Link]

LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Sep 14 2007 : 5:53PM What the Nederlands accomplished in their long history is not the topic here. And I don't believe you're trying to convince us that in the Nederlands everyone is chasing some animal to fuck and that is the only thing coming out from there. They make an excellent beer for example [Link]
Dean Wormer Senior Member Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son. 1048 Posts 7/04	Posted - Sep 14 2007 : 6:17PM Let's get back on topic. Kalina Lynx (as Kelly Giraffe) also made a couple of beasty movies. Co-incidentally Kalina, Kerri Downs and Chessie Moore all made movies with Rodney Moore. Just a fun fact. [Link]
wargamer Member 157 Posts 9/07	Posted - Sep 14 2007 : 8:22PM Dean Wormer wrote: Let's get back on topic. Kalina Lynx (as Kelly Giraffe) also made a couple of beasty movies. Co-incidentally Kalina, Kerri Downs and Chessie Moore all made movies with Rodney Moore. Just a fun fact. Click to expand I think Kerri Downs only did "dildogging" which is using a dog as a dildo. Kelly Giraffe and Chessie Moore did the "get mounted and fucked" in the classical sense.(and naturally they are all creampies) Most consider dildogging as a mild form of animal abuse; at least in some cases where the animal genuinely seems to show no interest whatsoever. I would not object to banning this form of bestiality. It is extremely rare that a horse is sexually interested in a women. Even in rare cases where a horse mounts and humps the horse is usually tricked with fake mares etc. Thus almost all horse-woman porn is dild-horsing essentially. Cicciolina also did a horse. I wonder how many members of parliaments in Europe did animals... Personally I just don't understand some of this stuff. If the animal shows no interest, at best the act is just a form of jerking off the animal with a female vagina. I just don't find that erotic at all. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Sep 15 2007 : 3:09AM ^ First off Cicciolina never did any animal though there is a scene in which she is riding a man while another girl is jerking a horse and maybe rubbing her clit , that scene goes with the title "Cicciolina horse" in p2p circuits but she never did any horse maybe she touched the horse at the beginning but didn't anything else with him , she had a Boa Constrictor she used in her live shows back in the eighties but she only had him to move on her body while dancing and there wasn't any sex scene (live sex shows are not allowed in Italy any public sex is considered obscene by the law) it was more referring to Eve and the Snake in Eden. about the dildogging to revert his cock backwards and still being sexually involved is normal for a dog they usually do that with bitches when they get "knotted" with them ,so women do that to avoid the knot for two reasons , it might be too big or they're afraid the dog can knot them , in that case they might wait 20 minutes to over an hour before the swollen cock of the dog get back to normal size , I personally saw a dog knotting a bitch for about an hour and half also he didn't seemed to be interested but of course he was . I just ask what do you mean when you say to show interest? A dane might have a dick of 9" to 11" when completely swollen and the knot could be 3" to 5" in diameter which means bigger than an orange.Dog's dicks are big maybe not that big but regular dogs (not chihiuauas of course) have an average of 5 inches of dick plus the knot which means 6" or more The girl might want to stop that thing anytime but it can be a problem with a knot that big inside , also the dog can pull out abruptly and that could hurt both the girl and the dog , the girls can also be unable to take inside a dick that big . when a girl do the dildogging the dog is actually cumming most of the time. Your point about being always the same dogs is strong though, a dog can't fuck all the time it is an act very demanding for him because they cum continuosly for many minutes so even if he wants it badly with bitches it is safe to not allow them to fuck more than once a week or better two weeks , to let them recover completely. I checked some covers and sites and noticed that the dogs involved seem to be always the same ,in Dutch productions I counted about 8 breeds but all japanese movies are made with 2 dogs only, always the same two dogs at least they seem to be and apparently , judging from covers,they do more than one scene per movie. Cannot say for horses I only saw dogs breeding Edit removed quotes Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 9/15/2007 3:16:47 AM [Link]
Shagdog Member Houston 626 Posts 1/07	Posted - Sep 15 2007 : 7:03AM Laws making bestiality illegal was only passed a few years ago in Oregon and Missouri. These were the last states to do so. Bestiality was legal in most state until late 90’s. In rural farming areas sex between human males and female farm animals is very wide spread. And is considered a right of passages. And is openly discussed between men. Laws banning animal porn in the US came after 1986 with the Meese commission report. The biggest problem with bestiality porn is it is so amateurishly done. Hopefully the tide of extreme conservatism is turning around and we get a supreme court that recognizes a perverts right to be a pervert. [Link]
wargamer Member 157 Posts 9/07	Posted - Sep 15 2007 : 8:12AM ...First off Cicciolina never did any animal though there is a scene in which she is riding a man while another girl is jerking a horse ... Click to expand Now I kind of remember the scene. I don't really care much about whether a girl did a horse or not since even if she did I would just consider it a form of masturbation.(but she had sex with a dog according to her memoirs) If a girl does a dog "naturally" where the dog takes initiative, then I may consider it differently. Under this consideration Chessie Moore and LInda Lovelace are the only US porn actresses who actually "did it" in full on camera.(Kelly Giraffe's scene was too brief and the rest was just dildogging.) There were several infamous italian bestiality movies starring Denise Dior and others but they are all just dildogging ones.(but they inserted a few scenes by a professional bestiality actress. I forget her real name but she went by the name "Anna". Those scenes look like having come from Color Climax or maybe Choc.) ... I personally saw a dog knotting a bitch for about an hour and half also he didn't seemed to be interested but of course he was . I just ask what do you mean when you say to show interest? Click to expand In some cases the dog really seems unhappy. His ears droop and the tail is between his legs. The girls just "manhandle" the dog to make the dog lie down and squat over him for dildogging. I think things like this are very close to animal abuse. A dane might have a dick of 9" to 11" when completely ... Click to expand Danes are generally not very good in this role anyway. And big dogs require a lot of experience from females. That is not just for human females but real bitches as well. Mating of a big dog and a bitch is often brutal. Owners of the bitch sometimes cry because of the brutality. It would be a pretty stupid thing to do if a human female tried to take the knot from a Dane or Mastiff. I have seen knotting with a bull mastiff(or was it a rottweiler?) but anything bigger than that is a health hazaard for an inexperienced woman. ...The girl might want to stop that thing anytime but it can be a problem with a knot that big inside , also the dog can pull out abruptly and that could hurt both the girl and the dog , the girls can also be unable to take inside a dick that big . Click to expand I read something like that, especially from a putative interview by Bodil but I doubt that is the case. I doubt that the interview was genuine. If a dog is that big the dog cannot knot in the first place without damaging the woman's cervix. And women can accomodate fairly large knobs. If the dog's penis starts to hit the cervix most women's reaction is to push away and it works all the time. The knob generally pops out easily and it requires speciall skills on the woman's part to keep it in. ... a dog can't fuck all the time it is an act very demanding for him because they cum continuosly for many minutes so even if he wants it badly with bitches it is safe to not allow them to fuck more than once a week or better two weeks , to let them recover completely. Click to expand Actually a dog can mate several times a day without too much exertion(a lion does it like 30 times a day). Moreover with human females he is not likely to ejaculate in full because he tries to pull away as soon as the pleasure stops. Dogs do not feel pleasure for the entire duration of ejaculation. In nature when a dog tries to pul away from a bitch the knot prevents his action so that the semen is deposited in full. [Link]
wargamer Member 157 Posts 9/07	Posted - Sep 15 2007 : 8:26AM Finally about the Luke Ford vs Christy Lake trial that was settled outside... I think I know which tape Luke saw. It was NOT Christy Lake and the girl is popularly known as Celine. She is thin but her ass is bigger and more round than Christy's. She made no other movie but definitely is NOT Christy. Luke was lucky to get away with a settlement. There are 2 other scenes in that movie and one of the other females is said to be a porn star. I could not identify her but she is far chunkier and definitely not Christy either. [Link]
sam46 Deactivated User 564 Posts 1/07	Posted - Sep 15 2007 : 9:08AM It was definitely Christy, I remember seeing it. [Link]
Loraine Senior Member 1559 Posts 3/04	Posted - Sep 15 2007 : 9:23AM "In some cases the dog really seems unhappy. His ears droop and the tail is between his legs. The girls just "manhandle" the dog to make the dog lie down and squat over him for dildogging. I think things like this are very close to animal abuse." A male dog with someone squatting over him is going to be more than likely responding submissively, which is all arseabout in dog sex. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Sep 15 2007 : 9:25AM Never heard about Kristi Lake doing animal sex, what Celine? I know at least two pornstars with that name Tabitha Cash was known as Celine in her early works for Private , also there's a Celine specialized with bestiality and she does horses So which Celine are we talking about? wargamer wrote: Actually a dog can mate several times a day without too much exertion(a lion does it like 30 times a day). Moreover with human females he is not likely to ejaculate in full because he tries to pull away as soon as the pleasure stops. Dogs do not feel pleasure for the entire duration of ejaculation. In nature when a dog tries to pul away from a bitch the knot prevents his action so that the semen is deposited in full. Click to expand This was my point a dildogging is the same as the bitch remaining knotted and forcing the dog to continue it's hardly a rape even if done by a woman , also I was talking about a full ejaculation , not attempt. Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 9/15/2007 9:35:04 AM [Link]
wargamer Member 157 Posts 9/07	Posted - Sep 15 2007 : 10:47AM sam46 wrote: It was definitely Christy, I remember seeing it. Click to expand If you are talking about a dalmatian and a thin blonde with a short shirt, she was not Christy. Do you have the picture? [Link]
wargamer Member 157 Posts 9/07	Posted - Sep 15 2007 : 11:10AM Laurie Cameron Fan wrote: Never heard about Kristi Lake doing animal sex, what Celine? I know at least two pornstars with that name Tabitha Cash was known as Celine in her early works for Private , also there's a Celine specialized with bestiality and she does horses So which Celine are we talking about? Click to expand The latter, mainly. But "she" is not a single person but an invention of certain scam artist now in jail. The Celine(s) doing horses are mainly taken from European Movies while the one doing a dog in an office is taken from an american amateur movie. Christy Lake did not do a dog. Luke Ford just mislabeled her. This was my point a dildogging is the same as the bitch remaining knotted and forcing the dog to continue it's hardly a rape even if done by a woman , also I was talking about a full ejaculation , not attempt. Click to expand In natural setting, the unwilling part is the direct consequence of the dog's very willing and eager action just prior to it while dildogging is just the humans' design from the outset. I have no problem with a dog knotting with a female and remaining in that posture even if the woman pinches her labia to prevent the dog from popping out.(this is very difficult to achieve but a few very skillful girls manage to do it sometimes even without the pinching) It is just the gross and aggressive dildogging practices common in BFI etc that trouble me. It is not so much that I care about animal welfare but that those acts just are not erotic and don't do anything for me. [Link]
sam46 Deactivated User 564 Posts 1/07	Posted - Sep 15 2007 : 11:29AM Christy joked about it on Howard Stern. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Sep 15 2007 : 11:31AM Actually I'm not an expert on that matter I just saw some movies some old or very old VHS(CCC mostly)and some recent such as a couple of Andy Private, but not many , actually I was curious. Andy does dildogging mainly from behind the dog for what I saw , I never was under the impression of violence in any of them not even in the older (Bodil or Wilma a redhead which was maybe Dutch or German) not very exciting actually the only exciting part were the girls apparently very much into it Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 9/15/2007 11:39:59 AM [Link]
wargamer Member 157 Posts 9/07	Posted - Sep 15 2007 : 12:21PM Laurie Cameron Fan wrote: Actually I'm not an expert on that matter I just saw some movies some old or very old VHS(CCC mostly)and some recent such as a couple of Andy Private, but not many , actually I was curious. Andy does dildogging mainly from behind the dog for what I saw , I never was under the impression of violence in any of them not even in the older (Bodil or Wilma a redhead which was maybe Dutch or German) not very exciting actually the only exciting part were the girls apparently very much into it Click to expand I cannot give you the links as I will get banned from this site but Andy is such a dildogger and her videos are all very weak;there are far better ones out there that are easily accessible(but whose links I cannot provide because of the aforementioned reasons). Andy's works were better in her early years, mostly under GMV label.(but GMV is linked to a Duch mob) Bodil was Danish and it is widely acknowledged that Denmark was helped by the income she brought in. I think Wilma is Dutch. [Link]
caroline-NL Member 543 Posts 3/07	Posted - Sep 15 2007 : 2:55PM wargamer wrote: "If you are talking about Phillips' VCR I should say there was nothing remarkable about it other than ,oddly, the format was named "VCR". LOL." Wargamer, you are hurting my german and dutch pride. I am german, but now live in the Netherlands..... Sorry, I have to strongly disagree, VCR was very successfull in the 70s, and even several hundreds of hardcore porn movies were released ( with a hefty price tag of 150-200 Euro ). Even some animal porn movies. [Link]

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stinkfist
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Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 5:47PM

Mans best friend

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eduardo911
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Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 6:25PM

I don't think any particular incident was quoted as 'the real reason'. BTW the incident you mention was about 'African migrant women', which is not the usual mediaspeak for Moroccans in the Netherlands.

This remark is just too ridiculous for words. 'A substantial part' of 530 billion US$ p.a.? There must be a hell of a lot of hidden bestiality lovers out there to generate that kind of turnover.

'Lately'? I dare you to name ONE commercially available Dutch-produced bestiality movie (that was shot in the Netherlands, or with Dutch performers) that was shot after the 1990s (and that is a conservative estimate - actually I don't think any have been marketed after the mid 1990s, and even before that there were very few. The majority of BFI productions were shot with Russian girls. Topscore is almost all Hungarian girls. The Brazilians have their own distribution companies. If there is a capital of canine porn it is probably Japan by now.
The Dutch role in distribution is acknowledged, but to suggest that it is a major production centre of commercial animal porn is baseless.

Well, what about the 16th largest economy in the world (despite having only 0.0025% of the world's population) ranking 10th in the world in GDP per capita; the second largest port in the world (Rotterdam); the co-invention by Philips (with Sony) and first production (by Philips) of the world's first cd; the development of Bluetooth technology for Ericsson by Jaap Haartsen; the Delta Works, one of the largest construction projects in human history and acknowledged by the American Society of Civil Engineers as one of the modern World Wonders; one of the largest oil companies in the world (Dutch-British), Royal Dutch/Shell; one of the largest banking/insurance groups in the world (ING Group). So we don't need no animal porn to drive our economy, thank you very much.
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Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 6:48PM

You forgot flowers and that Holland is one of the 6 founders of the European Union being the others France , Germany, Italy, Belgium and Luxembourg

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Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 7:07PM

Sure, I could go on an on, the main point is the suggestion of 'what else do the Dutch have' is ludicrous (and distracts from the main topic). And I object to the trend of declaring the Netherlands single-handedly responsible for the production and consumption of animal porn, or drugs, etc.

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Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 9:12PM

It said "North African". There are not that many countries in North Africa and Morroco would be a good bet.
Actually it may actually have been Morroco in the article I saw a few years ago. Right now the following is the only one I can find...
"The public prosecutor demanded in Lelystad Court on Tuesday jail terms of .....The three men were arrested in April 2004 after three North African asylum seekers were kidnapped in Belgium and forced to have sex with men and animals in a farm shed in the north-eastern Dutch village of Kraggenburg."

Or maybe you have not looked hard enough.

That is pretty easy. Adilia. She runs her own website as well as has titles under BFI labels. They are almost all post 2000. In fact there are still quite a few Dutch performers in BFI titles especially Animal Passion series.

Obviously you don't know what you are talking about.

I fail to see how that could impress anyone here since most people are from a country with a bigger GDP and a higher GDP per capita.

Good for you but many of your countrymen seem to think otherwise.

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Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 9:17PM

I feel that a fundamental, underlying issue has been approached in previous posts that it is impossible now to turn back from: which is that this appears to be a problem of absolute vs. relative type moral notions.
To my mind I find it much less a concern whether or not a person decides to engage himself in bestiality, than rather how he chooses to go about it. For instance, if a man were to undertake this animal coitus with his intention being to enact a type of triumphal performance in celebration of his dominion over his counterparts in the beastly realm, then the practise would be fit to be admired as being of a sound virtue. But on the other hand, which is most likely the usual case unfortunately, if the human person is driven to such an exceptional act, one that is almost universally considered worthy of scorn by his fellow humans, due only to his own 'animal' appetite for new methods of satisfaction, then what has occurred is that those very beast natures within himself have overtaken his higher designation and he has become essentially a mere animal himself (as distinguished from the human being as a more advanced 'supra-animal').
I myself don't partake of these activities, triumphantly or otherwise, but this in my opinion is the proper ethical cornerstone on which they ought to be measured. It can also be readily applied to the vantage-point from which pornography of the sort is viewed.

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Posted - Sep 12 2007 : 3:07AM

I agree with you on this. Shagdog's argument that we don't know that the animal is suffering because we can't read its thoughts is odd; if someone is comatose can we have sex with their limp body? Because we can't read an animals thoughts we can torture it for our own pleasure?
Random is right though, this topic is probably being treated more seriously than it needs to be.
So, has anyone here ever seen a Sady Baby film?

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Posted - Sep 12 2007 : 4:58AM

My thoughts on bestiality..watch the whole clip..

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Posted - Sep 12 2007 : 7:21AM

You forgot all of the footballers your clubs bring through as youth players and then sell to Italian/Spanish/English clubs for £10-20 million a throw as well...
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stinkfist
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Posted - Sep 12 2007 : 9:00AM

At least these animals have the right idea..YES....
YES....YES..

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eduardo911
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Posted - Sep 12 2007 : 1:27PM

I haven't seen that before. This is what it said in the Dutch media:
"In de Kraggenburger pornozaak worden zes verdachten vervolgd voor hun betrokkenheid bij de ontvoering van drie Afrikaanse vluchtelingen vanuit Brussel naar de Flevopolder."
Moroccans are not usually called 'Africans' in the Dutch media, nor do they frequently (if ever) arrive as 'refugees'.

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I don't need to look hard, there is plenty of healthy economic activity and no 'porn-state' conspiracy theories are necessary to account for Dutch GDP.

I haven't seen a shred of evidence that Adilia is Dutch (or that Dilara is Belgian as she claims to be, for that matter). Information about performers' nationality provided on websites are usually complete nonsense. Beasthunt, for example indicated that Suzy Spark and and the other Hungarians are 'Dutch'. And all the Russian Seventeen models that have been in BFI movies were also routinely presented as 'Dutch' in Seventeen magazines.

If you say so.

Larger GDP yes, as you would expect from countries with population sizes in the hundreds of millions like China, India, Indonesia, Brazil, Russia, and Mexico, which between them already account for about half the world population.
Actually the population of all countries ranking above the Netherlands in GDP per capita combined amount to some 550 million people, or less then 10 percent of the world population, a far cry from 'most people'. The ranking varies a bit every year, but this includes oil states like the Arab Emirates and tax havens like the Cayman Islands.
The only countries that have both higher GDP and higher GDP per capita are the US, Japan, Canada and Australia.

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Posted - Sep 12 2007 : 4:23PM

Honestly..animals are as vain as humans..

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brewski
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Posted - Sep 12 2007 : 4:35PM

I saw a married couple suck off a donkey in Juarez, and I saw a girl insert an eel in her pussy in Bangkok.The eel made choking sounds, and I was drunk and lmfao.
Good times.

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Posted - Sep 12 2007 : 4:44PM

In the 70s, a Chicago theatre near Clark/Grand routinely showed barnyard flicks with girls sucking off horses.
Boring, but nobody complained.

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stinkfist
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Posted - Sep 12 2007 : 5:06PM

Oh my god..there going nuts....anything to feed there habit..

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LCF

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Posted - Sep 12 2007 : 6:08PM

I heard about it, something called Chicago Live Show or so

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stinkfist
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Posted - Sep 12 2007 : 6:41PM

Stuff this..i love my dog.

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wargamer
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Posted - Sep 12 2007 : 7:22PM

This is sublimely ridiculous. So if they are proven to be Algerian instead of Moroccan your cause is vindicated and I am a liar? After all, I said "...I think... Moroccan", didn't I? LOL.

Because you don't want to.

Who the hell is Dilara? You mean Bilara?

What do you require? a birth certificate? I don't think you can prove anyone's nationality over the internet this way. Not even your own.
This is pretty funny. Don't you think Brazilians and Hungarians may demand the same sort of "proof" from you?

This is pretty silly. It is obvious from the context I meant "...most people here..." deliberately referring to the US with that sarcastic overtone(as it is too obvious).
And your requirement(larger GDP AND higher GDP per cap) is unfair since conversely those countries with a higher figure in either one of the two will likewise think less of you.
LOL man. Even Hong Kong has a higher GDP per capita PPP(purchasing power parity) than holland. Your chest must be swelling in pride because you beat Hong Kong in the overall GDP ranking.

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Posted - Sep 12 2007 : 7:31PM

Nice dog..His names lucky.

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brewski
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Posted - Sep 12 2007 : 8:24PM

That dog looks exactly like the German Shepherd that banged Linda Lovelace in an 8mm loop.
Contrary to popular opinion, she had a big smile on her face the whole time.
Cost me about $2 in quarters.

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Posted - Sep 12 2007 : 8:36PM

Heres another..Well trained dog.

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brewski
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Posted - Sep 12 2007 : 8:44PM

The vast majority of single women who own dogs let the dogs lick their pussy. I've known several.

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wargamer
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Posted - Sep 12 2007 : 9:34PM

It was not a German Shepherd. It was a hound-type mongrel.

On 42nd street? You must be pretty old.

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Posted - Sep 13 2007 : 6:17PM

How many of the pro bestiality posters here actually practice what they preach..Heres what happens when that date at the zoo goes wrong..

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Slonik
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Posted - Sep 13 2007 : 6:30PM

In your dreams...

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eduardo911
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Posted - Sep 13 2007 : 6:58PM

No, we're having a difference of opinion. I can't prove it any more than you can.

No, because there is plenty of evidence that points to an economy which runs on normal economic sectors such as agriculture, industry, financial services, etc. You are the one that made an unlikely assertion about the composition of Dutch GDP, for which there isn't the slightest indication in the available statistic data.

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My mistake. Dilara is the porn alias of Sibel Kekilli, but yes, I actually meant to type 'Bilara'.

They might. I'm using 'evidence' in the sense of supporting information, not in the sense of legal proof. In the Brazilian case the indications include the language (Brazilian girls tend to be very vocal in sex scenes, unlike many East European girls). If I see a mulatta type which speaks Portuguese with a Brazilian accent who plays in a movie on a Brazilian label, I think it's reasonable to assume she's Brazilian, even though I haven't seen her passport. As for the Hungarians, some of them have done mainstream porn an their nationalities are a matter of record (e.g. on Eurobabe index). I've heard Suzy Spark, 'Andy Private', and Silvi Anderson speaking Hungarian. Some of the shoots have elements that can be recognized as Hungarian (suchs as road signs) and/or are very suggestive (such as tradional costume). Same story for some of the Russian girls from Seventeen/BFI. Pantera (aka Marina) is one of them, and her Russian background is also a matter of record.
There are only three animal porn performers that I assume to be Dutch, and they are ones that I have actually heard speaking Dutch. This is not the case with Adilia, but I have heard her speaking German, without any indication of a Dutch accent. I can't prove she isn't Dutch, but don't think there is sufficient reason to believe she is. If you know more than I do in this respect, feel free to enlighten me.

GDP per capita is an indicator of economic productivity. GDP size is an indicator of economic influence (obviously, it is easier to be influential if you're big). To have both is a fair indication of good economic performance, especially with a diversified economy rather than one that relies mainly on one sector or commodity.

No, I'm just reacting to your unfair and baseless insinuations about my country.

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wargamer
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Posted - Sep 13 2007 : 8:42PM

What is "substantial" is a subjective judgement. Nitpicking makes you look silly. Especially when you say things like "statistic data".(There is "statistical data" or maybe you meant "statistics" but a "statistic" is a type of function in mathematical statistics. Even when it is rarely used to mean a datum it cannot be used as a nominal modifier of "data".)

Why? Are you sure she is not a Portuguese mulatta? There are black people in Portugal. I hope you don't claim to be able to pick out the Brazillian accent from the European one.(just by hearing girls going "Ay Ay"?).

Yes I knew it!!! She is German!!! a German secret agent on an assignment to besmirch Netherland. She is so meticulous that she even recruits models in Dutch(even though presumably there has been no Dutch applicant). And she also pretends to worry about Dutch laws. How low these Germans can go...
LOL man.

But the point is YOU don't have both with respect to a lot of countries(or country-equivalents).
Like Hong Kong(higher GDP PPP per cap than you)
South Korea(larger GDP)
so on so forth.
I did not include the more obvious like Russia,Brazil,China,India etc(larger GDP) or Switzerland Finland,Irelnad(higher per capita GDP). The above are the ones roughly comparable to Holland both in living standards and population size.
Or let me put it this way. If you rank the members here according to GDP and GDP per cap of their country of origin, far more than half will rank above you in BOTH of these indices.
That is what I meant by "most".
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Posted - Sep 13 2007 : 8:45PM

This poor dog spent the rest of its days pining for its master..Greyfriars bobby....that would bring a tear to a glass eye.

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Posted - Sep 14 2007 : 4:45AM

I stand corrected. I assume you never make a mistake when you use a foreign language.

Actually, I do - BTW, some say considerably more than "ay, ay". I've been to Portugal several times and know Brazilian people in Amsterdam. It's no more difficult than distinguishing American English from British English.
There is also circumstantial evidence, such as that at least two girls from the Brazilian labels Mr Dog and Mr Horse also appear a TTB movie shot in Brazil, and another one is interviewed in a regular porn movie on the Brasileirinhas lable.
As for Adilia, the site recruits models both in Dutch and in German, so that doesn't help much.
Edited by - eduardo911 on 9/14/2007 4:52:57 AM

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wargamer
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Posted - Sep 14 2007 : 12:54PM

Actually in three languages, English, Dutch and German.
But you missed the point. If there were so few Dutch performers why would she include Dutch?(there really are not that many Dutch speakers outside Holland.) Just to deceive?

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caroline-NL
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Posted - Sep 14 2007 : 3:54PM

I think the "high times" of animal porn in the NL are over.
We had quite a lot of girls and women performing in zoo porn
in the 70s and 80s, but not any longer.
But in the late 90s, Ive met a young woman (19) who claimed,
she made some movies with beast hunt, a dutch site.
Its a mystery to me, why so many dutch companies are ONLY
in the web, and almost no new animal porn movies are seen
on DVD ( from NL, not Brazil ! ) in the sex shops.
It is still legal to produce and to sell animal porn.
Its interesting, that this thread is one of the biggest now.
I still cant understand, what is so "evil", if a woman enjoys sex with a pony. If I defend this, especially men attack me, " you are defending animal torture ", no, I am against animal torture, and I know, that in some animal porn animals are molested. I am totally against this ! But animal porn isnt per se torture, as normal porn isnt per se rape porn.
Its really strange, that even many "pro porn" men are here using the cliches, that "anti porn feminists" use against porn in toto.

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Posted - Sep 14 2007 : 3:59PM

@eduardo911
Regarding the inventions of the Netherlands...
Please dont forget that "we" - together with
the Germans - invented the VCR. The first
home VCR was presented in 1972.
Years ahead of Beta and - of course - VHS.

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brewski
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Posted - Sep 14 2007 : 4:44PM

Sheep sex has always been legal in the Netherlands, and supposedly is preferred by most educated Dutch men.
Amsterdam had lambs in some of those redlight windows.

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wargamer
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Posted - Sep 14 2007 : 5:11PM

If you are talking about Phillips' VCR I should say there was nothing remarkable about it other than ,oddly, the format was named "VCR". LOL.
The first comercially successful VCR format was U-matic by Sony. It is still used by some.
The only credit Phillips can take is that their format was the first intended for home use from the outset that was comercially viable(albeit just barely). That is a long qualification.
But U-matic was so successful that even its unintended home-use by elite consumers outdid whatever Phillips' VCR could hope for.

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Posted - Sep 14 2007 : 5:53PM

What the Nederlands accomplished in their long history is not the topic here. And I don't believe you're trying to convince us that in the Nederlands everyone is chasing some animal to fuck and that is the only thing coming out from there.
They make an excellent beer for example

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Posted - Sep 14 2007 : 6:17PM

Let's get back on topic. Kalina Lynx (as Kelly Giraffe) also made a couple of beasty movies. Co-incidentally Kalina, Kerri Downs and Chessie Moore all made movies with Rodney Moore. Just a fun fact.

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wargamer
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Posted - Sep 14 2007 : 8:22PM

I think Kerri Downs only did "dildogging" which is using a dog as a dildo. Kelly Giraffe and Chessie Moore did the "get mounted and fucked" in the classical sense.(and naturally they are all creampies)
Most consider dildogging as a mild form of animal abuse; at least in some cases where the animal genuinely seems to show no interest whatsoever. I would not object to banning this form of bestiality.
It is extremely rare that a horse is sexually interested in a women. Even in rare cases where a horse mounts and humps the horse is usually tricked with fake mares etc. Thus almost all horse-woman porn is dild-horsing essentially.
Cicciolina also did a horse. I wonder how many members of parliaments in Europe did animals...
Personally I just don't understand some of this stuff. If the animal shows no interest, at best the act is just a form of jerking off the animal with a female vagina. I just don't find that erotic at all.

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Posted - Sep 15 2007 : 3:09AM

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First off Cicciolina never did any animal though there is a scene in which she is riding a man while another girl is jerking a horse and maybe rubbing her clit , that scene goes with the title "Cicciolina horse" in p2p circuits but she never did any horse maybe she touched the horse at the beginning but didn't anything else with him , she had a Boa Constrictor she used in her live shows back in the eighties but she only had him to move on her body while dancing and there wasn't any sex scene (live sex shows are not allowed in Italy any public sex is considered obscene by the law) it was more referring to Eve and the Snake in Eden.
about the dildogging to revert his cock backwards and still being sexually involved is normal for a dog they usually do that with bitches when they get "knotted" with them ,so women do that to avoid the knot for two reasons , it might be too big or they're afraid the dog can knot them , in that case they might wait 20 minutes to over an hour before the swollen cock of the dog get back to normal size , I personally saw a dog knotting a bitch for about an hour and half also he didn't seemed to be interested but of course he was . I just ask what do you mean when you say to show interest?
A dane might have a dick of 9" to 11" when completely swollen and the knot could be 3" to 5" in diameter which means bigger than an orange.Dog's dicks are big maybe not that big but regular dogs (not chihiuauas of course) have an average of 5 inches of dick plus the knot which means 6" or more
The girl might want to stop that thing anytime but it can be a problem with a knot that big inside , also the dog can pull out abruptly and that could hurt both the girl and the dog , the girls can also be unable to take inside a dick that big .
when a girl do the dildogging the dog is actually cumming most of the time.
Your point about being always the same dogs is strong though, a dog can't fuck all the time it is an act very demanding for him because they cum continuosly for many minutes so even if he wants it badly with bitches it is safe to not allow them to fuck more than once a week or better two weeks , to let them recover completely.
I checked some covers and sites and noticed that the dogs involved seem to be always the same ,in Dutch productions I counted about 8 breeds but all japanese movies are made with 2 dogs only, always the same two dogs at least they seem to be and apparently , judging from covers,they do more than one scene per movie.
Cannot say for horses I only saw dogs breeding
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Shagdog
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Posted - Sep 15 2007 : 7:03AM

Laws making bestiality illegal was only passed a few years ago in Oregon and Missouri. These were the last states to do so. Bestiality was legal in most state until late 90’s.
In rural farming areas sex between human males and female farm animals is very wide spread. And is considered a right of passages. And is openly discussed between men.
Laws banning animal porn in the US came after 1986 with the Meese commission report.
The biggest problem with bestiality porn is it is so amateurishly done.
Hopefully the tide of extreme conservatism is turning around and we get a supreme court that recognizes a perverts right to be a pervert.

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wargamer
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Posted - Sep 15 2007 : 8:12AM

Now I kind of remember the scene. I don't really care much about whether a girl did a horse or not since even if she did I would just consider it a form of masturbation.(but she had sex with a dog according to her memoirs)
If a girl does a dog "naturally" where the dog takes initiative, then I may consider it differently. Under this consideration Chessie Moore and LInda Lovelace are the only
US porn actresses who actually "did it" in full on camera.(Kelly Giraffe's scene was too brief and the rest was just dildogging.)
There were several infamous italian bestiality movies starring Denise Dior and others but they are all just dildogging ones.(but they inserted a few scenes by a professional bestiality actress. I forget her real name but she went by the name "Anna". Those scenes look like having come from Color Climax or maybe Choc.)

In some cases the dog really seems unhappy. His ears droop and the tail is between his legs. The girls just "manhandle" the dog to make the dog lie down and squat over him for dildogging.
I think things like this are very close to animal abuse.

Danes are generally not very good in this role anyway. And big dogs require a lot of experience from females.
That is not just for human females but real bitches as well.
Mating of a big dog and a bitch is often brutal. Owners of the bitch sometimes cry because of the brutality.
It would be a pretty stupid thing to do if a human female tried to take the knot from a Dane or Mastiff. I have seen knotting with a bull mastiff(or was it a rottweiler?) but anything bigger than that is a health hazaard for an inexperienced woman.

I read something like that, especially from a putative interview by Bodil but I doubt that is the case. I doubt that the interview was genuine.
If a dog is that big the dog cannot knot in the first place without damaging the woman's cervix. And women can accomodate fairly large knobs. If the dog's penis starts to hit the cervix most women's reaction is to push away and it works all the time.
The knob generally pops out easily and it requires speciall skills on the woman's part to keep it in.

Actually a dog can mate several times a day without too much exertion(a lion does it like 30 times a day). Moreover with human females he is not likely to ejaculate in full because he tries to pull away as soon as the pleasure stops. Dogs do not feel pleasure for the entire duration of ejaculation. In nature when a dog tries to pul away from a bitch the knot prevents his action so that the semen is deposited in full.

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wargamer
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Posted - Sep 15 2007 : 8:26AM

Finally about the Luke Ford vs Christy Lake trial that was settled outside...
I think I know which tape Luke saw.
It was NOT Christy Lake and the girl is popularly known as Celine.
She is thin but her ass is bigger and more round than Christy's. She made no other movie but definitely is NOT Christy. Luke was lucky to get away with a settlement.
There are 2 other scenes in that movie and one of the other females is said to be a porn star. I could not identify her but she is far chunkier and definitely not Christy either.

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Posted - Sep 15 2007 : 9:08AM

It was definitely Christy, I remember seeing it.

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Loraine
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Posted - Sep 15 2007 : 9:23AM

"In some cases the dog really seems unhappy. His ears droop and the tail is between his legs. The girls just "manhandle" the dog to make the dog lie down and squat over him for dildogging.
I think things like this are very close to animal abuse."
A male dog with someone squatting over him is going to be more than likely responding submissively, which is all arseabout in dog sex.

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Posted - Sep 15 2007 : 9:25AM

Never heard about Kristi Lake doing animal sex, what Celine? I know at least two pornstars with that name Tabitha Cash was known as Celine in her early works for Private , also there's a Celine specialized with bestiality and she does horses
So which Celine are we talking about?

This was my point a dildogging is the same as the bitch remaining knotted and forcing the dog to continue it's hardly a rape even if done by a woman , also I was talking about a full ejaculation , not attempt.

Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 9/15/2007 9:35:04 AM

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wargamer
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Posted - Sep 15 2007 : 10:47AM

If you are talking about a dalmatian and a thin blonde with a short shirt, she was not Christy. Do you have the picture?

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wargamer
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Posted - Sep 15 2007 : 11:10AM

The latter, mainly. But "she" is not a single person but an invention of certain scam artist now in jail. The Celine(s) doing horses are mainly taken from European Movies while the one doing a dog in an office is taken from an american amateur movie.
Christy Lake did not do a dog. Luke Ford just mislabeled her.

In natural setting, the unwilling part is the direct consequence of the dog's very willing and eager action just prior to it while dildogging is just the humans' design from the outset.
I have no problem with a dog knotting with a female and remaining in that posture even if the woman pinches her labia to prevent the dog from popping out.(this is very difficult to achieve but a few very skillful girls manage to do it sometimes even without the pinching) It is just the gross and aggressive dildogging practices common in BFI etc that trouble me.
It is not so much that I care about animal welfare but that those acts just are not erotic and don't do anything for me.

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Posted - Sep 15 2007 : 11:29AM

Christy joked about it on Howard Stern.

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Posted - Sep 15 2007 : 11:31AM

Actually I'm not an expert on that matter I just saw some movies some old or very old VHS(CCC mostly)and some recent such as a couple of Andy Private, but not many , actually I was curious. Andy does dildogging mainly from behind the dog for what I saw , I never was under the impression of violence in any of them not even in the older (Bodil or Wilma a redhead which was maybe Dutch or German) not very exciting actually the only exciting part were the girls apparently very much into it

Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 9/15/2007 11:39:59 AM

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wargamer
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Posted - Sep 15 2007 : 12:21PM

I cannot give you the links as I will get banned from this site but Andy is such a dildogger and her videos are all very weak;there are far better ones out there that are easily accessible(but whose links I cannot provide because of the aforementioned reasons).
Andy's works were better in her early years, mostly under GMV label.(but GMV is linked to a Duch mob)
Bodil was Danish and it is widely acknowledged that Denmark was helped by the income she brought in.
I think Wilma is Dutch.

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Posted - Sep 15 2007 : 2:55PM