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pringles  All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08 |  Posted - Nov 8 2012 : 7:31PMPerformers need to keep testing regardless of whether or not condoms are used. Nobody is stopping the industry from doing that. Wicked's contract girls still get tested just like everyone else even though condoms are required for their productions.   [Link] |
| EthanConner Member 319 Posts 11/07 | Posted - Nov 8 2012 : 8:08PM The girl was always able to choose whether or not she wanted to fuck a guy with a condom or not. And the only people they would be hurting are themselves (the two people in the scene) Porn might as well be nothing but blow up dolls with Prop B passing! We already have Disney for things G rated and Nickelodeon for things PG 13 rated! Don't need prop b to make porn a PG 13 rated thing! [Link] |
| Xothique Member 15 Posts 5/08 | Posted - Nov 8 2012 : 8:47PM [Link] |
| Lone Wolf Senior Member LANA means ANAL :) 9658 Posts 4/11 | Posted - Nov 8 2012 : 9:44PM "The effect would be simply to have no scenes, or much, much fewer scenes shot in Los Angeles,' John Stagliano , also known as 'Buttman' who owns Evil Angel , one of the nation's top porn production companies, told Buzz Feed before the measure’s passing." With the measure's passing Mr Stagliano said he expects some scenes to go underground while he personally expects 'to just shoot in other places.' I really hope production goes somewhere else, in other states, where it's still allowed to shoot porn as we like it. Porn watchers prefer scenes with NO condoms and will surely start looking for alternatives, mostly from the eastern countries (Czech, Hungary ...etc), if ever US porn industry starts complying with this regulation. Read the full article: Condoms in Porn [Link] |
| whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11 | Posted - Nov 8 2012 : 10:45PM I know money is money is money, but there's something to be said about Stagliano's position, especially with this quote:This is someone who has the disease. This is someone who's married to one of the few women in the past 2 decades who has actually had what this law is supposed to be trying to prevent actually happen to them. I would argue that he, nearly above anyone else, knows what the consequences are if the industry's methods don't work. And he still comes down as against Measure B. Edited by - whatsatelephonebill on 11/8/2012 10:46:22 PM [Link] |
| morbidthoughts All-Star Member Big cats scare me but... 3627 Posts 1/03 | Posted - Nov 8 2012 : 11:14PM [Link] |
| mapofhawaii Senior Member 1050 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Nov 8 2012 : 11:31PM [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Nov 8 2012 : 11:54PM Anyway, everyone else who has money in this country puts it to use making things go their way. I don't see why the porn business shouldn't. Edited by - randomprecision on 11/8/2012 11:55:55 PM [Link] |
| whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11 | Posted - Nov 9 2012 : 12:53AM [Link] |
| pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08 | Posted - Nov 9 2012 : 1:18AM Free Speech Summit Discusses What's Ahead for Measure B (AVN) BEVERLY HILLS—It was standing room only at the Free Speech Coalition Summit for this afternoon's information and strategy session regarding L.A. County Measure B, the so-called "Safer Sex in the Adult Film Industry" law, which was passed by a 55-44 percent vote on Tuesday. [Link] |
| birthofcool Member 175 Posts 3/09 | Posted - Nov 9 2012 : 1:22AM [/quote] 1. Not at all, the judge would throw it out by saying "It was a legal referendum the people have spoken" [/quote] Don't believe this is correct. Many State Props have been over turned by the Courts. Last one I can remember was Prop. 187. [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Nov 9 2012 : 1:38AM Edited by - randomprecision on 11/9/2012 1:40:01 AM [Link] |
| Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03 | Posted - Nov 9 2012 : 4:55AM Lee put the loss in perspective. While noting that "We were underfunded," in part because active fundraising for the No on Measure B campaign began just under three weeks ago, he nonetheless reported that among the non-absentee voters, the campaign's radio and TV ads, and the broadcast debates between Lee and representatives of AIDS Healthcare Foundation (AHF), reduced an early polling of 28 percent in favor of Measure B to just a 7.8 percent positive result when voters actually went to the polls and voted. "In eight days, we shaved 20 points," Lee stated, and lauded those activists present by noting, "You were able to speak as a unified industry as you've never done before." So, less than three weeks before the election, it occurs to this brain trust that maybe they should try to do some fund-raising. Where they're facing an initiative which has the potential to seriously fuck up the way they do business, and which is being promoted by just one individual busybody asshole. Unbelievable. Is everybody in porn just chronically incompetent, or is there so little money in it anymore that they don't even care? At that point, Vivid Entertainment's Steve Hirsch pointed out that the fight against Measure B, no matter what form(s) it takes, will require lots and lots of donations from adult industry members and supporters to prevent what he termed "our worst nightmare." Hey, great job realizing that now that the horse is already out of the barn, Hirsch. Maybe if you'd spent a little of that phony "stolen" "celebrity" sex tape money before the election, you wouldn't be facing this nightmare now. [Link] |
| Goldstein All-Star Member "You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10 | Posted - Nov 9 2012 : 6:13AM [Link] |
| jikkotsu Member 246 Posts 9/11 | Posted - Nov 9 2012 : 6:22AM [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Nov 9 2012 : 9:12AM If they don't get everything they want this time, they'll keep at it until they do. If they want to ban unprotected anal and vaginal sex, you'd better believe they want to ban unprotected sex altogether. And they will get what they want because there's clearly more going on here than meets the eye. [Link] |
| jikkotsu Member 246 Posts 9/11 | Posted - Nov 9 2012 : 10:39AM I was being sarcastic. [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Nov 9 2012 : 11:44AM [Link] |
| Geri Member 329 Posts 7/12 | Posted - Nov 9 2012 : 12:07PM The industry as a whole needs to get real on the issue of straight and gay porn as well, and stop pretending they are two distinct and separate industries. They are not. There are far too many male performers who do straight and gay (as well as shemale and bisexual) work for this to be the case. Edited by - Geri on 11/19/2012 10:19:57 AM [Link] |
| jikkotsu Member 246 Posts 9/11 | Posted - Nov 9 2012 : 12:28PM [Link] |
| torris Senior Member Deep within Mila's anus 1827 Posts 1/00 | Posted - Nov 9 2012 : 1:25PM |
| torris Senior Member Deep within Mila's anus 1827 Posts 1/00 | Posted - Nov 9 2012 : 1:37PM [Link] |
| torris Senior Member Deep within Mila's anus 1827 Posts 1/00 | Posted - Nov 9 2012 : 2:04PM Michael (pornlaw), I would start looking for a house in Tiburon or Belevedere if I were you. It looks like you will be moving along with the rest of porn. Once John Stagliano, Christian Mann, Larry Flynt, Fabian the Felon et. al. start buying prices will skyrocket! Click to expand I knew a girl who paid her way through Grad School in Utah doing this. (Stripping not porn): Fly in once a month, work a good week, very inexpensive to stay (decent, off strip hotels go for about $20 a day, $40 on the weekend), fly home, see ya next month. This was before the Great Recession but the money was so good and profitable, she did it a few years after she graduated. [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Nov 9 2012 : 2:22PM Just about anywhere they might try to go is going to be aware that they are there. You can't run a major porn business without drawing some attention. Even if they manage to move somewhere where it's technically legal, these people are going to follow them and do exactly the same thing. Edited by - randomprecision on 11/9/2012 2:25:00 PM [Link] |
| torris Senior Member Deep within Mila's anus 1827 Posts 1/00 | Posted - Nov 9 2012 : 2:31PM [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Nov 9 2012 : 2:42PM [Link] |
| pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08 | Posted - Nov 9 2012 : 2:43PM per Cal/OSHA: "Semen and vaginal fluid are always considered OPIM. Any other body fluid is considered OPIM if it's visibly contaminated with blood. Saliva is considered OPIM in connection with dental procedures because these procedures routinely cause saliva to be contaminated with blood." [Link] |
| pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08 | Posted - Nov 9 2012 : 3:15PM [Link] |
| torris Senior Member Deep within Mila's anus 1827 Posts 1/00 | Posted - Nov 9 2012 : 3:19PM [Link] |
| pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08 | Posted - Nov 9 2012 : 3:43PM Measure B - Moving Forward - Legal position by industry attorneys Greg Piccionelli and Michael W. Fattorosi (pornlaw) [Link] |
| von_swine Member Dominance & Persecution. 919 Posts 1/04 | Posted - Nov 9 2012 : 3:53PM [/quote] Except they aren't employees. They are independent contractors. But I concede your point. Porn stars fucking without condoms would be complicit in violating a law they know requires condom usage. Do they get a citation too? [/quote]torris, the State sees them as employees. some producers,(that I know personally) have been dragged through hearings where they tried to prove to the state otherwise. the State of California said "absolutely not, now pay your fine PLUS penalties for challenging us, thank you." it's like when the NBA or NFL hits a player w/a ridiculous fine for something that's equally ridiculous; they can pay to keep playing or bounce to Italy or Canada to keep playing (respectively). it's the states ballpark and they make the rules, end of story. now in regards to companies that use payroll; payroll companies are few and far between that will handle a known XXX producer/company, because of the presumed extra risk to employees, but they are out there. when I worked for Vince and briefly for New Sensations, they both had payroll systems in place, but that can add 20% or more to ones overall costs and most cant or wont, float that. Im sure that w/the prop.B ordinance in place, payroll providers might insist their xxx producers under them comply with it since there's no way around that type of requirement w/the whole process having to be legit and above board on every level. otherwise they (payroll companies) wont take their business. again, that's speculation on my part from my experiences in XXX these past 11 years and having worked for people and companies that did cut payroll checks (w-4 system, not w-9). the real laughable thing about how all of this was drawn up is AHF and the $$$ behind it duped the city into believeing that people were actually going to pay for these required film permits which NO ONE will. and should someone get busted that's incorporated, they'll use the corporate veil and fold the company w/out paying the fines. it's all couch porno from here, and how are they going to prove where that couch was in regards to city and county lines when it was shot. XXX is being forced back into rogue waters, which is fine w/me since that will hinder companies like Manwin/Brazzers. and I'm ALL for that since those are the cats that are REALLY destroying XXX, and not just w/the tubesites,..but thats another story. enough for now, Im gonna go play some afternoon hockey,..lates, Von S. Edited by - von_swine on 11/9/2012 7:24:00 PM Edited by - von_swine on 11/9/2012 7:26:12 PM [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Nov 9 2012 : 4:57PM Libertarians don't use this term. I don't know a single one who does. Everyone I've heard using it was a liberal. [Link] |
| Lone Wolf Senior Member LANA means ANAL :) 9658 Posts 4/11 | Posted - Nov 9 2012 : 8:37PM [Link] |
| ladnur Deactivated User New profile: PornFan24x7 1411 Posts 10/12 | Posted - Nov 10 2012 : 3:44PM [Link] |
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| Goldstein All-Star Member "You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10 | Posted - Nov 10 2012 : 6:15PM Honestly, not everything must be seen and framed within an ideological prism. [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Nov 11 2012 : 1:37AM Edit - Also, you can call it "bitter" if you like. I choose not to be quite so PC and call it "Fucking pissed off!" It kind of comes out a little differently depending on how you word it. And you bet I'm pissed off. One of the main reasons I supported the Democrats was because I felt they would be much friendlier to the porn business and it's customers. If this isn't a reason to be angry, I don't know what is. Edited by - randomprecision on 11/12/2012 2:35:57 AM [Link] |
| mharris127 Senior Member 1844 Posts 8/09 | Posted - Nov 11 2012 : 1:58AM [Link] |
| shellshock91 Member Believe and you can Achieve 663 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Nov 11 2012 : 4:58AM [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Nov 12 2012 : 2:41AM [Link] |
| mharris127 Senior Member 1844 Posts 8/09 | Posted - Nov 13 2012 : 1:50AM New Hampshire is technically an option but for some reason I don't imagine Larry Flynt mounting a snow plow to his electric wheelchair so he can clear the two feet of "partly cloudy" off of his driveway. Ditto for John Stagliano, Fabian Thylmann, Shy Love, Mark Speigler, Christian XXX and Tony Malice, they would not adjust well to all of that "partly cloudy" falling on their driveways and mucking up their drives to work for three months out of the year. "Partly Cloudy" means snow as usually when the worst storms come it is unexpected even by the weatherman. Of course if porn did move to New Hampshire Steph and Drew (being the hardy Maine residents that they are) can charge $500 a head for classes teaching how to deal with New England winters and make a mint selling shovels, snow blowers, road salt (in 50 pound bags) and four wheel drive trucks at a fifty per cent markup. I still put my money on porn moving to San Francisco and Michael Weinfuck's attempt to force porn to use condoms anywhere in California to fail miserably. San Francisco may be cool and rainy but it seldom snows there and Marin is a very nice place to live (if you can afford $800K for a house). [Link] |
| InFamous Deactivated User 1051 Posts 2/12 | Posted - Nov 13 2012 : 2:46PM [Link] |
| joeblow123321 Member 319 Posts 11/09 | Posted - Nov 14 2012 : 3:19AM That said; porn in general is always, ALWAYS at risk from politicians from all stripes. Republicans love using porn as a whipping boy to play to their moralistic base. Democrats have often been opposed to Porn because it supposedly subjugates women (though these arguments have been undercut considerably in recent years and there doesn't seem to be any more Andrea Dworkin-types on the public stage). The biggest problem--and this goes for Libertarians too--is that there are no political advocates for porn. So it is forever subject to the whims of whomever decides to put it in their crosshairs and is never defended by those that think the govt. should stay of of the porn-regulating business. [Link] |
| pornlaw Member 578 Posts 10/05 | Posted - Nov 14 2012 : 9:11AM [Link] |
| pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08 | Posted - Nov 14 2012 : 9:46PM Long Beach on Measure B City officials said they don’t expect to be left out of Measure B and that they will be scheduling talks with county officials to make sure they are included in the conversation. “The statement of Measure B is to create an enforcement mechanism with the County Health inspecting,” said Tom Modica, director of government affairs. “We believe this applies countywide and should be administered countywide.” Modica noted that Long Beach voters specifically voted to implement Measure B with 53% in favor. “There are certain things we do as a health department, but there are plenty of serviced LA County provides that we do not,” he added. [Link] |
| Alcoholic Member Bodybuilder and sex lover 139 Posts 9/11 | Posted - Nov 15 2012 : 9:01AM [Link] |
| mharris127 Senior Member 1844 Posts 8/09 | Posted - Nov 15 2012 : 1:05PM I knew a girl who paid her way through Grad School in Utah doing this. (Stripping not porn): Fly in once a month, work a good week, very inexpensive to stay (decent, off strip hotels go for about $20 a day, $40 on the weekend), fly home, see ya next month. This was before the Great Recession but the money was so good and profitable, she did it a few years after she graduated. Click to expand [Link] |
| Geri Member 329 Posts 7/12 | Posted - Nov 18 2012 : 12:23PM "Wanting to maintain the right not to use condoms is both a free speech/expression issue (yes, a legitimate one - sorry) and it's also a safety issue. Condoms would likely do away with our testing system, which is very important to us. Condoms break, especially during the rigors of some b/g scenes, and should that happen we'd have no knowledge of the sexual health of our costar - including whether they were HIV positive. Additionally - condoms do not protect against STIs like syphillis and herpes. Which means, a performer could do a condom scene with a costar who has syphillis and contract it and be none the wiser unless and until symptoms began affecting him or her. And even then, no one would be able to trace the occurrence or hope to contain it. Still sound safer to you? G/G scenes are very low risk and dental dams would be absolutely absurd. Sinn Sage, one of the most prolific girl/girl only performers of the last several years, has never gotten any kind of STI, and for the record, neither have I. (And I have done some b/g scenes, as well as had off-camera non-condom sex with fellow sex workers. Not one STI in all the years I've been here.) I'm sure many other performers have not had any STI's either. However, we do feel our system can be improved upon, and many of us would like to add swabbing (of the throat and anus) to our talent STI panel, and also increase the mandatory testing period to every two weeks rather than once a month. Also, I happen to have a severe (possibly allergic) reaction to latex condoms and their substitutes, with the exception of lambskin (lambskin prevents pregnancy but not STIs.) I can't use them without developing an excruciatingly painful, debilitating UTI that requires an immediate round of strong antibiotics to cure. I have no idea why, but that's the situation for me, and I have years of medical documentation to prove it. So if I were a top b/g performer whose primary source of income was from performing, I would be forced into early retirement and lose my only source of income. What I'm trying to say is, this is a very complicated, multi-layered issue. The measure passed only because most people had Imperator's reaction, which was "Condoms make things safer = safer is good! No brainer!" And actually it's FAR from a cut and dried issue. Too bad people don't research things before they form opinions and vote on them, especially when it affects the lives and health of people they know nothing about. " NB: "Condoms would likely do away with our testing system, which is very important to us." Edited by - Geri on 11/18/2012 3:33:00 PM [Link] |
| Geri Member 329 Posts 7/12 | Posted - Nov 18 2012 : 12:39PM "Of the men surveyed, 61 percent said they opposed requiring condoms in porn, while 63 percent of women surveyed backed the requirement. Among the different ethnic groups, blacks gave it the highest level of support at 69 percent, while only 41 percent of whites supported Measure B, according to the exit polling. Latinos stood at 62 percent support, Asians at 56 percent. " http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_21960399/exit-polls-spotlight-l-liberal-bastion-and-san "The biggest wedge issue between Los Angeles women and men in last week's election wasn't over Obama versus Romney. It was the question of whether to require that male actors wear condoms in adult films produced in Los Angeles County. Exit polling conducted on election day by the Center for the Study of Los Angeles at Loyola Marymount found that the 56 percent approval that Measure B won countywide doesn't tell the whole story. It turns out that in the exit poll questionnaires, 63 percent of women supported Measure B. But 61 percent of men said they opposed imposing the condom requirement, according to a Daily News story. That is two starkly different mindsets. The exit polls also found a big split by race and ethnic group, per the DN: Whites only supported the measure at a rate of 41 percent, while 56 percent of Asians said yes to mandatory condoms in porn, 62 percent of Latinos agreed and 69 percent of blacks said they voted yes." Source: http://www.laobserved.com/archive/2012/11/now_thats_a_gender_gap.php Also: "This we know already: about 244,000 voters who cast ballots in the presidential race didn't make a choice on Measure B." Well it's nice to know that quite possibly nearly a quarter of a million eligible Californian voters were intelligent enough to realize that it's absolutely none of the general public's damned business to be voting on such a complex health and safety issue concerning an industry they do not work in. Edited by - Geri on 11/18/2012 3:29:49 PM [Link] |
| Goldstein All-Star Member "You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10 | Posted - Nov 18 2012 : 1:09PM A "No" vote would have been to defeat LA County Ballot Measure B (Condoms in Porn) -- which, in effect, means "leave them alone/it's none of our business" (i.e. the status quo). In this case, leaving the vote on Measure B blank fails to be the neutral position. [Link] |
| morbidthoughts All-Star Member Big cats scare me but... 3627 Posts 1/03 | Posted - Nov 18 2012 : 6:38PM If they feel that it's none of their business to vote on, then the logical step is not to vote. [Link] |
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