I wouldn't hate a Girlsway series where all of the pre-sex dialogue was replaced with deep wet kissing. [Tweet is no longer available] [Tweet is no longer available] I'd wager that would help the "gay for pay" girls to warm up a bit if you pair them with really good kissers.
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Posted - Oct 26 2017 : 5:47PM
Talking,story,dialogues dont make my cock hard but kisses yes. Dialogues of 30 min are useless
^^The big problem with that kind of attitude is that if you remove the characters, storyline and dialogue than all you are left with is two or more well known adult performers having porn sex. That can be fine for a while but at some point do you really want to see the same people do the exact same thing they have done multiple times with the same people? Now if instead you create a simple little story with some porn performers playing specific characters and you use dialogue to help move the story along and also better develop the characters than what you can(I repeat it's only a possibility) wind up with well known performers that are no longer porn performers but they are girlfriends, sisters, mothers, sales clerk or any of the varied possibilities that writers can come up with. You don't have to go very far to see that storylines, dialogue and character development is very important because if you turn your TV on or visits the various sites that produce mainstream entertainment than you will quickly see that they hire well known actors/actresses to play characters on their shows and don't hire those same actors to play themselves.
^That's what he wants, no talking and just sex. But for some strange reason he's complaining about a site where characters, dialogue, and storylines are part of their bread and butter. And for some reason, he can't seem to find the fast-forward button.
I agree with your other points in part or in full and have some other general thoughts, but I do want to make special mention of the fact that the majority of the scene ideas lately are submitted by the members of the site. I'd say outside of the features and mini's probably 95% of the scenes are chosen from the forums. I wouldn't put any blame on them as they're not professionals and just want to see things from a fan prospective, but there could be a better way to translate the ideas to the camera. Other thoughts: - While there is definitely room for more kissing and it is needed, I'm just glad we're not where we were last year where there'd be maybe two or three kisses and then the sex would start. I think it's a problem of too much focus on story (not taking into account the quality of anything involved in that) and at times treating the sex as the enhancement of the story rather than the story enhancing the sex. When it works, it really works, but it's also very inconsistent. This goes into casting too where roles aren't cast for the chemistry, and often times I see times where favorites petition Alan to shoot for GW together and he replies with a response that's basically "make it happen yourselves". As you said above Pat, story can enhance a great scene into a phenomenal one with the right players, and I think a refocus on that could be nice. - I saw the press release that Alan got a new contract for GW and I think that's good for the fact that from all accounts he makes the set very comfortable for the girls. But, I think going forward he needs to show more control when it comes to how to make the girls look their best as well as stand out. I'll name a few names just to get my point across: Shyla should not have more than a few lines in her scenes since she's such a poor actress. That's one you can't blame on the direction since it's a problem on GW, GFF, Sweetheart, etc. Jelena's played out at being the bitchy older woman. Elsa is good at being the ditzy blonde but she's great at being confident too. Building off of my point on Carter earlier, you can tell she only really cares when she's working with a performer that excites her so pairing her with girls she wants to work with is key. Models like Mona, Penny, and Chanel are excellent actresses but outside of Penny and Chanel's scene that Penny wrote, none of them really have had a chance to shine. Outside of that, he doesn't really take advantage of models from other countries that are in LA outside of Stella Cox and Jasmine Jae this year, or models with talents outside of porn. Having a variety that allows unique features to shine with what they do best and paired in ways to allow them to stand out needs to happen going forward. - I REALLY hope the collaborations that Bree promised would happen this year and didn't (which ended up going to Pure Taboo instead) happen ASAP. I think a fresh set of eyes to either the GW style or bringing in their own style can really benefit the site overall. There can be a bit of complacency when something works as to not rock the boat, and by all accounts GW has been a ravishing success the past two years. But, I think next year needs to have a bit of a shakeup so it doesn't start to feel all the same. I'd personally love to see Jackie St. James or even asking Angela White to do something with a story since she doesn't do that for her own company. - Members freak out over short scenes, but I think a short 15-20 minute scene which is basically hate sex would be a creative way to shake things up a bit in terms of intensity and something different. - All in all despite the problems, I do think GW is currently the best that's doing it right now. Alan said on the forum that there's going to be a camera upgrade sometime this fall/winter when the one he wants comes out, so that'll probably mean 4K is in the near future which will be cool.
-As I see it part of the problem with plots and story ideas is the lack of variety when it comes to available sets, outfits etc etc. It could just be my lack of creativity, but considering most scenes takes places in the usual porn houses/mansions it can be difficult to put together plots where that kind of location makes sense. I'm not really that picky when it comes to plot to be honest. A quick and easy/fun/only in porn type setup, with most of the scene time spent on the kissing, foreplay and sex is what I prefer. -I can understand casting based on who fits the role, but I do think most performers would make a role work even if they don't fit 100%. Casting for chemistry sounds great, but unless they've paired together before you can't really know who's got chemistry. Two performers wanting to work together doesn't automatically turn into a great scene (It's probably more likely to be a good scene tho). That beind said, there are some great pairings who's already delivered for GW in the past who should be paired together again. -I definitely would like to see performers get to showcase various non-sexual talents/interests. European performers on GW would be great too, but that is something I consider to be extremely unlikely to happen. -As far as collaborations goes my question would be - how much creative freedom would a potential guest director have? Would they get to do their own thing or would they have to make their stuff fit in with the rest of the GW content? -While I'm not the biggest fan of shorter scenes, a fast paced and frenetic hate sex/argument turns into sex type scene would be great. It could always be balanced out by shooting a longer and different type of scene with the same performers. -I would like to see a lot less of the whole reluctance thing. Even if I understood the appeal behind it I'm not impressed by the way GW does it.
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scarlettsagelov Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 27 2017 : 4:24AM
the best gg site was kissmegirl. 40-50 minutes of kissing,titty sucking and no words but only sexiness,chemistry between girls. now i prefer momslickteens with good lights and camera angles. the problem of we live together are the choice of girls. they are unknown not beautiful and they dont know what to do because they are put there to do a gg 10 min before they shoot a bg for realitykings. But except this the are filmed better than girlsway. i think stillbyshitalan avoids kisses and titty sucking. how can you explain that in 2 scenes with angela white(the best tits in porn) with uma jolie and carter cruise and the last with kristen scott for nuru massage there is not 1 sec of titty sucking. i dont know if it was for the director who said dont suck tits or for the girls. about talking. i am ok that there is a little but not like the last of vanessa and serena. 40 min of scene of which 26 of talking. more time for talking less time for kisses,titty sucking,scissoring. it is simple. Then at the end they cut kisses(i reapeat the best thing in a gg that makes them different and more exciting than bg scenes) and scenes end with girls still kissing. it has no sense
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scarlettsagelov Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 27 2017 : 5:15AM
another thing i hate are the interruptions during the scene. jenna sativa and megain rain scene has several interruptions. why waste a scene in this way. it has no sense. interruptions are shit and make the scene much less exciting. i would like to know who likes this thing
I happen to love the kissmegirl videos because they offer exactly what the site is named for and, as I stated above, I happen to love kissing in my porn but that said their content is only going to stimulate me sexually. I'm not going to be able to get an orgasm from just watching girls kiss. The best thing that could happen would be for lesbian sites to incorporate the type of kissing that KMG does but in a smaller scale because 15 minutes of kissing in a forty minutes scene is more than enough for me.
I actually loved the setup in that scene but the execution was somewhat disappointing. Here you have an actress getting a massage oil commercial that will earn enough money to go on vacation. The fact that the director keeps changing her mind forcing the actress to keep doing take after take added some humour to the scene. Up to then everything about that scene was great. The problem starts when the director wants the actress to use the oil on her body but we know it has less to do with the commercial and more because the director is getting turned on. This is where the scene starts to flounder. What we should have had is the director requesting that the actress put more and more oil on her body. Then helping her on the premise that it doesn't look right from her point of view. This gives Serena the opportunity to touch Vanessa and you can see Serena getting more and more turned on and then Serena pretends that Vanessa is still not rubbing the oil correctly and decides to take her top off and show Vanessa how to do it. After that Serena gets bolder and bolder touching rubbing Vanessa even more vigorously and you then see Vanessa get turned on which in turn gets Serena to actually start kissing Vanessa and the rest can be a love fest.
Back when SweetheartVideo was good, Girls Kissing Girls was probably the best combination of kissing and sex. GFF tends to go five miles per hour for the entire scene, KMG was only kissing and grinding, and various other sites didn't feature deep kissing much, except maybe WLT. Then Dana took over SHV and decided that we'd rather see anal and squirting scenes. Yippee.
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Posted - Oct 27 2017 : 2:29PM
Excellent, concise paragraph that shows how GW and Alan can improve. I agree with all of it especially about pairing up girls who are excited to work with each other. I know that can't always be the case but try to make it happen as much as possible. I also LOVE the idea of using more girls from outside the US when they are in town. Maybe GW is too rigid in their scheduling and that's why they don't take advantage of the non-US girls when they are in town. I'm not sure.I'm assuming you meant "hot sex" where you typed "hate sex". Although a scene of "hate sex" if done properly could be hot!
^I completely agree with your post because I think eva93 was dead on. I just wish I could have been as articulate as eva but at least she said what I would have loved to say as well. I want to add that there are some performers that can probably work with anyone else and their acting talent can hide the lack of chemistry with the other performer. Just to name a few I would say that Mona Wales, Carter Cruise, Cherie Deville, Angela White, Abella Danger, Syren De Mer, Chanel Preston Penny Pax and Dana Dearmond are all part of that small group. The one thing that most of these women have in common is that they have worked for Kink multiple times. In fact only Angela as never worked for Kink. I would also say that I know why GW doesn't hire many Non-North American performers. It's simply because most European performers tend to come from Eastern Europe where English is not really their second language so much as that they have a working knowledge of it. That lack of English makes it very hard for them to play roles that require them to speak English in a believable manner. Jasmine and Stella speak English so that's why they can play roles with English dialogue. Sadly there are simply too few English speaking European performers available to make it a worthwhile endeavour for GW to recruit some of them.
Girlsway biggest strength; it's members are also it's biggest weakness. In this day and age, having a strong, engaged, satisfied, and paying customer base is critical. But the danger becomes are you really the ones in control or are they? When most of your stories and scenes are written and cast by the member base, it kind of ties your hands. Right now, Girlsway still has enough freedom to try out new girls and story ideas, but it's clear that they have to be approved by the community. So there's always the risk that chemistry and acting ability will have to come second to popularity. And unfortunately, Girlsway has always kind of made it clear that the quality of the sex itself comes 2nd to the stories, but getting lucky when working with really strong performers. And with Bree occupied with Pure Taboo, and Alan being the be all end all in terms of decision, the lack of other perspectives can also be harmful. But here's where the members have can have a positive impact by encouraging and advocating for certain staples that have now become commonplace. It's a delicate balance, that seems to be tipping right now more towards convention and routine. Anways, Jenna Sativa and Megan Rain are together (not their 1st time) in Are You Sure You're Alone?. Maybe this is the start of Girlsway letting Megan Rain do more than just be a squirt machine. And Jenna is only a few scenes away from doing 30 total scenes with Girlsway.
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Posted - Oct 28 2017 : 1:58AM
Why interruptions? They are useless. I remember a scene with dillion harper and mona wales where the scene was interrupted many times by men and one time when dillion was squirting. What the fuck. Megan squirts only in scenes with adriana chechik in particular scenes
If there is trouble with Vicki, Aidra and Jillian, I for one am not wanting to know t specifics. Again, if they flaked or a disagreement between any one of them and Girlsway, rather know that much and just move on, until then, I'll look back fondly at Jillian and Vicki's GG work, Aidra too, hoping they all return at some point. I liked Bailey Brooke's last scene with Kristen Scott. And her work for Brazzers Hot & Mean series with Cassidy Banks and then Misty Stone was good too. Julia Ann I cannot explain. She's the first pornstar stumbling upon late night movie channels I crushed on lol, so yeah, there's the affinity there from that, and her work at GFF was always top class, especially when alongside Lily Carter, Heather Starlet, Shyla and such. Sweetheart Video with Aidra Fox. And here, on Girlsway, two scenes. Two. Right.. IIRC Alison Rey, Cody Steele and I think it was Kasey Warner are in a poly relationship too.
Really should have read thread than replied immediately. Shame about Aidra Fox in that case. Agree with others comments on cancellations. Plain ol etiquette and decency is lacking for too many unfortunately. Re: Cory Chase, I mentioned her long ago. Her stock is even higher given the publicity with the comical Ted Cruz stuff. Obviously Girlsway turnaround is usually a few months, but still, more eyes on her I'm sure now than before the Twitter drama. I'm glad GFF started hiring her. Featured in 2 recent movies now for them.And Lynn Vega is a GG performer too which is a bonus. One scene and zilch since is odd. Eva Long and Britney Amber are comfortable playing the step..mother role in these type of scenes, even Jayden Cole has done so twice to aplomb, one was with Nurumassage with Alison Rey. Reagan Foxx has only been in two scenes two far for MG. Katie Morgan and Misty Stone have been in one. Going back to Vicki Chase, I think she's coming up to her mid-30s, so could be thrown in if willing to play the part. Agree on Ryan Keely, both parts. No idea what she was thinking with the silver/grey crew cut of sorts look. I like short hair (Riley Nixon, Bailey Bae and Cadey Mercury spring to mind), but that was something else lol.
She's very attractive and has a unique look. Lovely face and body, but ugh, she's just there for her 'brand' I feel and it seems many here feel the same. I never use the term gay-4-pay, but yeah, she is that to me unfortunately. OTT or even UTT moaning, half-arsed pussy eating and what really irritated me lately with her last scene on Girlsway, constantly caught like a deer in headlights looking at the camera. Given how much scenes she's been in at this stage, how is that an issue is mindboggling. I've seen her in scenes with GG heavyweights who usually deliver 7 out of 10 scenes at worst, no matter their partner, but with her, I've seen even less than that. I think Jenna Savita had her worst scene ever with Darcie for GFF. Cold-fish, mediocre, underwhelming are apt terms. Best thing about her though is her constant winding up of BG fans. Aya touched up on it. Her thread here has been amusing reading whenever I caught up with it. If she ever breaks up with her partner (husband? I forgot), I think she'll go full BG and we'll rarely if ever see her in GG again. Not that many GG fans really care from what I've seen, myself included.
It should have been great. It's a relatively easy premise in the case that the show Buffy and Angel were good outliners to base things on. In some aspects, they did, and in others, like humor, they just couldn't. I'll avoid trampling all over Shyla's acting like last time, but in scene 2, it just had me baffled to the point where I can't be bothered watching the rest of it anytime soon, and I was one really looking forward to Shyla & Jelena. Oh well.
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Posted - Oct 28 2017 : 7:20PM
^^ I won't watch any more g/g scenes with Darcie and even if she did go b/g I'm betting she'd still be a cold fish and a boring b/g performer also. Yes, she is attractive and has an interesting look about her but that isn't enough for me. Edited by - PornStarNamedBuckNaked on 10/28/2017 7:21:02 PM
Disagree with much of what you say, and I can be critical of Girlsway myself too, but will agree on kissmegirl in so much as saying it was awesome. If people have not seen it, try to! I do wish there was more kissing on Girlsway, although I do appreciate the increased focus on breast play, feet play and tribbing positions in recent times which was asked. Your name sake has been great on that score. Sloppy kissing and a sliver of drool is fucking hot.
Last one, loved most of the recent stuff, Vampires aside. Random highlights was Vanessa Veracruz changing clothes for 5 minutes or so in her scene with Carter Cruise lol. What a woman. Scarlett Sage truly is funny, and I also enjoyed Elsa Jean's facial reactions before getting involved with her and Lena. The little things, heh. So stoked for Eva Lovia and Scarlett's scene next month. Keep it up.
Heh, Even Darcie's few G/G strap-on scenes weren't so hot. If that's a preview of what she will bring to B/G, then some are going to be mighty disappointed once the novelty wears off. Although there are plenty of Darcie fans who are just happy watching her and overlook her weak performances. Anyways, Alexa continues her gradual increase of appearances on Girlsway, this time with Alexis Fawx in Managing My Daughter. I think it's time Girlsway gave Alexa Grace a promotion with a Mini-Series or Vignette role, I think she's ready.
^Alexa getting a role in a mini or vignette sounds like a great idea to me.
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Posted - Oct 29 2017 : 3:30AM
today scene carter cruise and april with various interruptions by a man. it is ridicoulous and boring. who likes being interrupted. it doesnt make it more exciting
I finally watched a Darcie Dolce scene; she was paired with Maddy O'Reilly. Nothing glaring caught my eye on Darcie's part until maybe midway after hooking up with Maddy. I caught her looking at the camera several times while generally just looking detached from the scene. It wasn't the worst performance I've ever seen, but definitely get the criticism now. Maddy, being a stellar performer, tried her best to save the scene from its impending doom. Darcie is gorgeous, but with all of the other ace performers occupying Girlsway, I can't say I'll have a desire to watch any of her future content.
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Posted - Oct 29 2017 : 2:07PM
^ Yup, that's the problem. Darcie can be matched with the cream of the crop of g/g and it doesn't matter. The scene just doesn't ignite no matter how hard the other g/g star tries to make it happen with Darcie. On another note, so long scarlettsagelov, it wasn't nice knowing you!
No I meant hate sex. Hot sex happens in more scenes than it doesn't on GW, so that wouldn't be out of the ordinary. Have it be breakup sex/makeup sex or I just need to fuck you to get my feelings out sex, but the pace of hate sex in the scene is what's important.It's not just that. Alan just doesn't keep his eye out for talent is available outside of the regulars and new girls from the big agencies and even then it's a struggle to get new models for GW. Stella I'm pretty sure only showed up on GW because she's repped by Spiegler when she's in the States, and Jasmine seems to have been a lucky break. Anissa Kate is currently in the States but I'm kind of doubting she'll show up despite both Bree and Alan saying how much they loved shooting her for AGM the last time she was here. It took months for members to request Brett and Mona before they showed up. Like what's been said elsewhere, casting is so difficult when you're not updating as frequently as a company like Brazzers or Reality Kings, but as much as I love Abi, with the amount of scenes she has had come out this year along with what's in the can according to the casting thread on the forum, I'll take a month where she doesn't shoot for GW and a new model gets a shot. I enjoyed the Megan/Jenna scene. It was really nice to see Megan not in a role that went for theatrics during the sex, and hopefully if this hiatus talk is accurate and afterwards she comes back to shoot, I'd love to see her back.
^The reality is that most European performers have at best an high school level understanding of English. They can probably read it quite well and they can have a basic conversation but they cannot speak it like a Native born to the language. Case in point your mention of Anissa Kate. Anissa is a French performer who can speak basic English but I don't think she can play a role where her character is expected to have a back and forth conversation where she has to quickly react to what she is told. That doesn't mean that she can't play some specific roles like a French Au pair, a French Exchange student or any other role that uses her French heritage but to expect her to do any more is mostly wishful thinking. Look at it this way. If the roles were reversed and the performer was American with an High School level of French. She would be in the exact same place as Anissa in America. She couldn't play complex roles that require her to quickly react to dialogue in a language that her brain is first translating from French into English. The simple fact is that the only way to be fluent in any language require that you think in that language and most performers can't do that because they don't speak it often enough.
The want for Foreign performers reminds me of when Twistys did a special thing a while back and brought in some well-known foreign performers and hooked them up with their big G/G stars at the time Emily Addison and Taylor Vixen There was no elaborate setup and they didn't try to hide the fact that the girls were not domestic. Even Girlfriends Films back in the day went overseas and did films with popular Euro G/G performers. What's Ironic is that Stills By Alan's Girlfriend and Girlsway regular Samantha Rone has recently been doing some G/G with Euro performers.
^^ I was somewhat new to G/G or porn in general back then, but I used to love that Twistys age! Watching Eufrat and Ariel Piperfawn with Emilly Addison and Malena Morgan was great and it looked like the best crossover ever lol! It would be the same of having Little Caprice shooting with some of the top stars on Girlsway as of right now. I'd absolutely love it! As for Anissa Kate, I would also like to see her on Girlsway. She could play a french teacher or something like that since we've already have the Spanish Tutor and Italian Tutor, but I read somewhere here in the forum that she was trouble in set for some other site. Hope it's not true.
^^^^ Then you write around their limitations and don't make the role super complex. Granted, we had a conversation on this same page on how GW has shown a difficulty in doing that so it may not be as easy as we hope lol. Not every scene needs to be elaborate or have a lot of dialogue. I mean if you make the section short enough they could probably get away with subtitling and do a foreign spy story where the broken English is an endearing part if she gets captured.
^It's not impossible and if the scenario is appropriate then by all means hire those English speaking European performers but you will find that they can be counted on one hand so I wouldn't waste too much energy requesting European models. That said Gina Gerson actually learned English after she started doing porn and her mastery of it is quite impressive when you consider that she is Russian. The bad news is that I don't think she has ever worked in North America. Edited by - pat362 on 10/29/2017 8:54:35 PM
They already did a similar scenario but they used Dana Vespoli and Samantha Rone. It was nice and somewhat funny to hear Dana speak French. She was actually quite good. I would be thrilled to hear more performers speak French because I'm fluent in French and you have some really great sex words in the French language.
Heck, how about a future vignette series that is all about Foreign ladies? It would be a great way to pair up some top Girlsway ladies with popular Foreign performers. Anyways, today is part 2 of Carter's Games with Carter Cruise and April O'Neil, whose recent resurgence on Girlsway continues.
Gina Gerson is a great performer, it would be good to see her shoot in the US. If it is the lack of 'acting talent' that gets in the way of Euro models shooting for Girlsway though then there's surely plenty of storylines that could be written around a lack of English language skills, such as a European exchange student, or a 'step-cousin from Europe' as they love their incest over at GW. Limited speaking parts with the bulk of the script given to the opposite performer and other actresses pre-sex. Considering Bree seems to be writing a story a day I'm sure she could churn something out that wouldn't have the Girlsway members completely up in arms. I suspect that these kind of continental crossovers would just cost more money than can be justified by either party however.
^^^^ I wouldn't go that far. Even outside of the aforementioned Stella, Jasmine, and Anissa, just from known active girls that have shot in the US in the past few years you have Misha Cross, Alexa Tomas, Taylor Sands, Amirah Adara, Amarna Miller (though her injury is so sad and will keep her away for awhile), plus girls that haven't shot in the US like Tracy Lindsay, Alexis Crystal (who has GW experience albeit without dialogue, but is fluent), Apolonia, Dolly Diore, etc. that can be more than passable when it comes to English with the right story. The issue at the core that even brought this up though is how Alan doesn't keep tabs to know whether any of the models outside of his sphere are even available in the first place, though.
Darcie is perfect for picture galleries. Awful for videos. My problem with most euro girls is that it feels like they all have the same scrawny body type. Pretty faces, but zero curves on any of them.
Gotta say, next month's casting looks pretty good to me. Aidra Fox making a return to Girlsway, after she had already shot a scene for AGM, Emily Addison making an appearance, which hopefully will be somehow extended to more than one shoot, and Angela White paired with Ashley Adams, a breast lovers delight. Only thing I'm a little disappointed by is Casey Calvert still having to proof herself in the minor leagues and not getting called up for Girlsway. Although we all know the casting list will change weekly and some pairings will be completely different.
^Aidra Fox and Emily Addison? That can't be true, I don't know which one is more of a shock. I'll believe it when I see it because Emily Addison would be my #1 girl to ever see on Girlsway, since she's in my top 3 fave G/G performers. And did Hell Freeze over? Because that's the only explanation I can think of why Aidra Fox would be coming back.
There's also the issue that the ones who do come over tend to be the more popular performers who can expect to be fully booked for their limited shooting dates during their trip, and they might not prioritize g/g bookings for financial reasons.
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