I haven't noticed the porn escort thread on page one of the forum (I usually just scan the first page of a section to see what is currently active).. I didn't really go dark on it... . I am always happy to discuss it. This is the Legal Porno thread, i say LP as an abbreviation for them. Legal Porno the company I hope you realize that is what we are talking about here. Not "porn that is legal". I am not so sure if her fanbase drops by 50% if she is found on an escorting website. Maybe some of the hypocrites in the industry will trash a girl, but I don't think it makes much different to people watching their scenes. Almost every girl in porn can be available through some channels, and I think that is a great thing for women who want to really make some great money for their future. Obviously there are bad stories of girls getting addicited to drugs and blowing 9 guys in shitty motels; but really.... that is not "because they do porn", drug addiction and ending up in that place in life is a far more complex issue. There are plenty of successful performers who have their shit together and make nice money on the side offering companionship (which isn't always sex.... sometimes a rich guy just wants a girl for dinner or someone on their arm.. yes, it happens often... you think if you see a porn performer at a football game with an athlete she is not getting any friendship gifts ? :) But that is for another thread. Let's talk more about Legal Porno Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 5/16/2016 3:55:32 PM
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Posted - May 16 2016 : 4:24PM
Thank you very much for the clarification. Anyway, it was fun to rant a little. I haven't done it in a while.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - May 17 2016 : 2:34AM
I'm not taking PlanZ's complaint at face value, I asked him what he meant and for details. But I don't dismiss it out of hand, unfortunately a number of porn sites are unreliable in this area that's why I tend to use stream or download services. I've shit all over Mindgeek in other threads repeatedly for being pirates. Maybe you haven't seen it but trust me when the issue is raised I'm as much against Mindgeek as LP. Most of Mindgeek's sites seem to be the McDonald's of porn so not supporting them is pretty easy. By definition by being pirates LP is ethically dubious and benefiting from stealing and undermining their competitors. Shooting in Mexico is shifty, no reason one can think of can spin that decision postively imo.
The main director for Sineplex, SoS, has always been fantastic at scouting new models in Russia. When there was a clamp down and subsequent ban on porn production in that country, the studio had to relocate. One of the main benefits of Mexico is that you don't need a visa to fly in and out, this allows them to continue scouting new Russian models without the hassle of travel issues slowing down production. The weather and beautiful location aren't too shabby either, it's probably a holiday for most of them, as opposed to just work. Edited by - Paddy82 on 5/17/2016 7:43:03 AM
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jzalski Deactivated User
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Posted - May 17 2016 : 7:23AM
You're right and I completely misunderstood the "LP" abbreviation. I pretty much summed up my thoughts on the escoert issue in my last comment. When I didn't get a reply, I figured you were finished, no problem. I'll head back over there to comment further, Thanks.
Im sick of that same old white room with the green vase in the corner. I would like to see new sets. Some outdoor scenes would be great
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Posted - May 17 2016 : 9:47AM
I agree, the classroom, the kitchen, the den with the big leather couch, the list is endless. Back a few years ago there were some really good outdoor scenes with Carla Cox if anyone remembers her. I understand all the positions, "mish, cowgirl, double whammy flip-flop, etc." and the one I hate the most POV, although after it was explained to me I got it. Of course, real people don't make love like there's a camera in the room. I saw some stills of Maestro Claudio shooting some scenes and having a guy holding a camera over my shoulder focused on a girl blowing me would be a real distraction. I guess what came to mind was the old saying about hot dogs, "I like hotdogs I just don't want to know how they're made."
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Posted - May 17 2016 : 5:29PM
They just put out some outdoor work..... The Lara Onyx scene this week was outdoors and wonderful.
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Posted - May 18 2016 : 12:04PM
Syren De Mer 10 man gangbang is up Proxy Paige got to see her last 2 still
Just saw this trailer Asia Blodi assfucked by Omar at LP posted yesterday. Can someone confirm if it's a recent scene and if Omar Galanti is shooting porn again?
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Posted - May 19 2016 : 1:33AM
That figures.
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Posted - May 19 2016 : 2:07AM
Well darn, I seem to remember from your star thread getting masters degree and you were in Europe... silly me. Oh well.... welcome back to porn nonetheless!
That's an old scene produced by Giorgio Grandi for his NoRestForTheAss network, they're releasing the content from that studio as free updates for members. Edited by - Paddy82 on 5/19/2016 5:15:48 AM
One thing I really like about LegalPorno is the very subtle use of lubes. You never get the girls having loads of lubes dripping from their assholes and yet they do the hardest anal fucking in the industry (DAP, TAP and gapes). I don't know their secret but, as a viewer, the experience is highly pleasurable as you get to watch nice clean pink gapes of the girls without the inconvenience of seeing white liquid stuck inside their rectums or dripping. I think many American studios can learn from LP on this aspect to please viewers of anal porn.
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Posted - May 30 2016 : 2:21AM
I believe in addition to keep the amount of lube to a moderate to minimal level, they do offer the women a numbing medication to apply to the area so they don't feel any of the discomfort that may happen if their ass is not experienced with this level of action. I forget the name of the most common one, however, it does make the scenes go a lot better. Not all of them have stretched out holes and can take this with gusto and small amounts of lube only. Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 5/30/2016 2:21:42 AM
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - May 30 2016 : 7:31AM
Yikes, that is terrible. By numbing pain that can lead to more serious injuries like in the NFL where they will shoot athlete knees full of painkilling drugs leads to them tearing up their muscles even worse. Doing that to the anus sounds even worse.
This was brought up on their forum before by Julie Skyhigh, this is what she said about itShe's absolutely wrong about the role an anesthetic can play in bigger penetrations, the point of such medication is the stop pain signals being sent to the brain, and if you're fucking around with things like that when it comes to anal, you're asking for trouble. If any production company is using a numbing gel externally in such a sensitive area, purely for the purpose of pushing boundaries to achieve stupid acts like TAP and QAP, even DAP in some cases, it needs to stop. If a tiny amount is being used for shaving cuts or sensitivity, I see no issue, but I would be deeply concered if any woman was engaging in acts where the body is unable to properly indicate to them the discomfort or damage being caused. Whilst I don't condone this practice if it's true, we should take in to account that this is being done at the models discretion. If a model wants to role the dice with her health for the sake of a paycheck, a few concerned fans on a forum isn't going to dissuade her.
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Posted - May 30 2016 : 11:43AM
Fans can refuse to support producers who act with such disregard for the health of their performers though. Edited by - BlackSix on 5/30/2016 11:44:12 AM
^ Yeah good luck with that. There are people out there who are willing to support far worse than the use of a little numbing gel. This point is contentious, and I wouldn't be so quick to suggest that any producer involved in such a practice has a complete disregard for the performers health, If we're going to go down that road I could argue that we should stop support for any producer that films hardcore anal. I would hope in this instance that all relevant knowledge and information about the administration of numbing agents was learnt and understood before application, that doesn't mean I agree with it, but I would like to imagine that people at least have an understanding of the risks involved with what they're doing. Ultimately any talk on the subject is conjecture, but as far as I'm concerned, if anyone indulges in porn where the model is engaging in anal with two or more porn sized dicks, the likelihood of this being performed naturally is extremely slim in my opinion.
As I've said to you previously, Blacksix, any post involving LP immediately brings about a response from yourself that clearly indicates an already purely negative and made up mindset; I guess we're now at the point of the conversation where we've decided they treat people like shit Mentioning the names you've just listed is ridiculous and doesn't belong in this thread. Edited by - Paddy82 on 5/30/2016 1:05:19 PM
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - May 30 2016 : 1:38PM
The story of them using painkillers for anal comes from a fan of their site, CC. That practice sounds terrible and I would say that about whoever would use it. How exactly would you like me to stay positive on this point? You stated that there's no point in worrying about it as consumers can have no effect. I gave you three examples of companies who treated performers and customers poorly and are now effectively out of business. That was my point. Are LP as bad as those three companies? In terms of treatment of performers, probably not. But one thing none of those three were never accused of and that we know LP is guilty of is stealing and pirating their competitors content. I know you'd like us all to forget that when considering LP's ethics but I don't think you'll have much luck. Nor should you. If for fairness sake you'd like to see me attack Mindgeek on the same issue start a Mindgeek thread. Edited by - BlackSix on 5/30/2016 1:45:00 PM
First point: CC didn't mention the word "painkillers" once, she said numbing medication. I know exactly what your intention is by deliberately misquoting her, I even provided you with text from a performer explaining exactly what the medication in question is.Where did I state that ? I said, and I quote "If a model wants to role the dice with her health for the sake of a paycheck, a few concerned fans on a forum isn't going to dissuade her." Again I know exactly what you're trying to do by deliberately misquoting me.Which isn't relevant to this conversation or topic, but thank you for informing us.I have absolutely no interest in making you, or anyone else, forget about the ethics and practices of anyone. What I've said to you on several occasions is that you jump on anything anti this company, whether rumor or fact, because of an already made up opinion and mindset. I really couldn't care less for your overall view on them, I just object to nonsense comparisons and the assumptions of every action being negative without proof. If you would like to bring up the topic of piracy again, for which I don't condone if you're interested, at least have an understanding of what you're talking about and who it involves. Legalporno is just a platform that different studios release under, the owner runs the Gonzo studio and is the proprietor of the tubesite in question, the running of that has nothing to do with Sineplex or Giorgio Grandi. Are the methods he's employed to amass his fortune unethical, absolutely, but this shouldn't be used as a point of argument to discredit the other producers who release under LP, which is what you're doing when you refer to them with blanket statements. We could also debate at what point these sites become damaging for a buisness and where do we draw the line. I've already provided you of an example and quote from one of the biggest producers in the states who works with them and benefits from the advertising they provide him. This is the opinion of Greg Lansky that he shared on his reddit AmAWhat is your opinion on one of the biggest producers in in the industry saying they work with tubesites and have a great relationship with them ?
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Posted - May 30 2016 : 4:52PM
Here we go with the outrage again... Is it really so bad to put a cream onto the anus? Why? Heck, they sell stuff like this in sex shops targeted at the gay community for guys who have a fetish for large insertions or want to advance to fisting. I don't see any issues with adults doing this. LP may rarely use this.. who knows.... having it available if a girl is extra tight that day or feels a bit sore... why not? Girls smoke pot a lot to relax their body for a whole host of sex scenes, people use their own things to get ready.
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Posted - May 30 2016 : 4:54PM
Hate to tell you, but there are no reports of LP treating any of the women like shit. They are not intimidating girls, misleadiing them about what the scenes are about, or deliberately bullying them into doing stuff they won't want (all things those three producers did over and over again). Offering girls a joint (common in US) or putting a cream around their anus, is nothing sinister.
Man I've seen Proxy Paige do insertions all the anal things on other sites that she's doing for the LP shoots, so at least in that case I don't think she's using a numbing agent or anything. I cant speak for the other women who perform for the company though either, as i'm not really interested in any LP scene outside of Proxy.
Proxy's ass is advanced (for lack of a better term). A numbing cream would not even be in the equation here. But if you get a girl who really is good at single anal, but new to DAP and not stretched out enough, it is a tool to help put on an amazing scene. I don't see the issue with this. it is a heck of a lot better than the types of producers and fans who want to tear the girls up and get excited seeing them in serious pain. I like to drink wine before having anal sex; it relaxes me and I stretch out easier and it is much more enjoyable. Does that mean I am "using painkillers"... not at all. It is anal, which does need special considerations because really it was not designed through evolution for free flowing fucking; have to improvise to make it work better. A numbing cream is just to make it easy on the entry point; and that allows a girl to make a great scene if she happens to be not loosened enough for this. This is really not an issue to bring outrage to. Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 5/30/2016 10:53:39 PM
The issue with it, Cindy, is that if used inappropriately injury could occur and you'd be none the wiser; In very low strength doses it's perfectly safe when used correctly, but an anesthetic like Lidocaine cream is not prescribed for the easing of anal entry. My concern would be any woman potentially using it in order to perform ludicrous acts like TAP, that would be a very stupid thing to do. Again this is just conjecture, we don't know if anyone's using it for these reasons, and it isn't even specific to this site, I look at everyone who produces double and triple anal penetration scenes with a little bit of skepticism towards how they're being achieved.
There is a similar issue with pain medication in sport. How many times to you hear of a sportsman taking a steroidal injection to keep playing e.g. that cricket match, then retiring a year or two later due to the severity of their injuries, and facing the rest of their life with knackered joints? This problem (pushing men or women too hard, giving too great an incentive, etc.), is one of wider society in general. It will not be solved unless it is solved at the society level. People pushing themselves harder in business, competing harder, demanding more of employees, for less pay, etc., is rife in society. The issues with regards to anal in this thread are just the face of that problem in the porn industry. As some have said, with care and practice things can be done safely that wouldn't otherwise be (as is the case in much sport and performance disciplines). But pressure to do something before you're ready (and either needing the money or being offered a lot) is a problem that needs more thought and care.
I want to like legal porno's content but it just seems like advanced sexual acrobatics. I love anal sex scenes but am not a big fan of gapes. Just fuck the girl in the ass. I get tired of the "five strokes and then a gape" trend that LP and Mike Adriano follow. Like Adriano, LP gets top notch female talent though, so I'm conflicted.
^ I understand your point. But the thing is that LP is not into 'Anal Sex' but more into the 'Anal Performance' niche. It's an important distinction to make. The LP girls are here to deliver something they don't usually do elsewhere, like very huge gapes, DAP or even TAP! Genius director Jay Sin's works are also in line with this porn niche.
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Posted - Jul 19 2016 : 2:37AM
What's the lighting in that scene like? Looks very/too dark.
Just read pornstar Anna de Ville's latest interview with Captain Jack where she reveals having shot a record 9 scenes for LP in just 18 days!!! Her experience and views on LP helps clear out a lot of fallacies we often hear. Some excerpts from her interview: They are without a doubt the most hardcore company that Ive ever shot for. They really like to push you and challenge you but if you cant do something, theyre not going to force you to do it. They are most hardcore scenes Ive ever done. It was a really great challenge and it taught me a lot about myself working for them. Just the general body of work. Its the most hardcore scenes Ive ever done. I did 5 double anal scenes and I had only done one before this. Ive only done a handful of DPs before this. Just how much I grew and found out about my body and myself as a performer. Its my favorite body of work that Ive done. I actually am already talking to Legal Porno about going out there for that (triple anal). So, yes, its definitely in my future. Absolutely. I feel myself getting better with every scene that I do but after being with Legal Porno for 3 weeks and doing a ton of scenes for them, its definitely one of the most growing experiences Ive had yet in the industry. Its nice to have easier scenes back here and take a break. But Im already missing the hardcore and the fast pace of Europe. I really liked those scenes. I liked the energy in them and how crazy they were. The crazier, the better, it always makes for a more fun and exciting day.
