So Leigh did a surprise FA shoot? Surprised they got Rico on the payroll. FA hasn't been posting names of the models so hiring top level talent is surprising
You do realize this is useless to say the least? what this has anything to do with the accusations? Unless you are implying she's lying all the way through and didn't even meet Rico This is something you can use with a witness at a trial to understand whether he was actually there and saw something or got it wrong and saw someone else. He was there , she was there his height is COMPLETELY IMMATERIAL with the accusations at han , what she meant is that he is strongly built and imposing and also a lot stronger than her You think she's lying? his precise height doesn't matter at all unless you imply it wasn't him. can we move on and discuss about what REALLY MATTERS : what happened on that set? Why rico doesn't tell what happened and what is his view about it.?
She reported this situation to the cops. Rico Strong shouldn't say anything publicly other than he's innocent. He needs to be quiet and lawyer up. Edited by - fanofman on 3/11/2018 6:18:30 PM
Did he only work with BlackedRaw in the Lanksy network? Just trying to see if there is a link to Aidra Fox's recent comments about being mistreated when shooting for Lanksy's sites Also, I read several replies to the initial accusation and appears that Rico might've been coerced by Dave simply to earn a check, as a few girls noted that Rico would go too far but sometimes would try to gain a compromise for the sake of "finishing the scene". But it definitely looks like Dave was the mastermind behind this(if I recall, this dude was big buddies with Clover, even after all the domestic and animal abuse reports came to light) and Rico was that desperate to earn a check. Rico should probably get a PR team and some lawyers to help explain his situation before he talks himself into the shadow realm
I think stuff like FA is made by men who really dislike women. Who gets off by seeing women obviously miserable and humiliated? You want to make a woman throw up and on top of that try to bring her to the verge of tears, you are a sick man.
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Posted - Mar 12 2018 : 8:48AM
Please don't comment without watching the whole video. I don't know how anyone can talk about inches or whatever after listening to both heartbreaking recounts.
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Posted - Mar 12 2018 : 9:10AM
I don't know, I heard it in passing while watching an interview with a female performer and it struck me as odd based on what I knew about the other stuff he shoots - Pornstar Punishment, Bang Casting, etc. It's probably not that odd though, I'm sure good camera guys shoot freelance for anyone that will pay. I wasn't trying to make a connection between those two things. Edited by - local oaf on 3/12/2018 9:23:55 AM
It has everything to deal with it because it questions her credibility more so if she is 5,8 and rico is the same height as well, if she can make up or exaggerate such figures in an attempt to dehumanize rico and make him look more physical and masculine than he is to help support her argument. If she can lie or not be accurate about something that can easily be found out why should her word be believed as the absolute fact? Why should i believe her story when she already lied about his height and weight, she said he is 250LB that is not something that can not be questioned because rico is not. The onus is not on rico to prove his innocence, it is on her to prove he was assaulted. Rico is innocent until proven guilty. Whether you like it or not.
Just Dave is also one of the few people who was still employing James Deen regularly of late, as far as I can tell. (Apologies, I'm really not meaning to turn the thread back on Deen, but I think it's a relevant fact about Just Dave's behavioural patterns.) In any case, I agree with what Draxxx said earlier, and with the quoted comment about Rico Strong - and other people - potentially being desperate for a paycheck - I think as long as FA-style porn is being shot at all, you're inevitably going to get female performers doing those scenes regardless of what it's going to do to their psyche (and possibly not even knowing the contents of the scene beforehand), and male performers willing to ignore their female partners' limits because a shady director demands it. Edited by - shalalin on 3/12/2018 11:25:14 AM
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Posted - Mar 12 2018 : 5:18PM
I feel bad for both Leah and Riley. This shit is wrong. Rico should be blacklisted and somebody should out who this Just Dave guy real name is. Stupid Just Dave shit. Friggin Sadists
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Posted - Mar 12 2018 : 5:24PM
Why doesn't someone out who this prick/sadist Just Dave is. His real name please.
complete BS here, you watch too many legal shows , it would be for a witness who says she's seen someone somewhere , but unless you can prove that anybody could guess correctly height and weight of anybody they meet or, better yet, they can do that under duress then I may consider this. Until then it's immaterial unless you know for sure neither was actually there She's a victim not a witness you can't ask a victim to be consistent with uninmportant petty details So he's 5.8 not 6.0 he's 220 lbs not 230, so, he's still much stronger and imposing than she is , which was the point she wanted to make. There'sa cornucopia of claims of harsh stuff happening on Just Dave's sets , she's just a plus one but here's the thing sheìs filed a police complaint , we'll see. Edited by - LCF on 3/12/2018 6:08:41 PM
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Posted - Mar 12 2018 : 5:42PM
Why does Just Dave get a pass here. What is his real name and history. Why isn't he blacklisted?
So you think "Rico Strong" is a real name? I don't see why it would necessarily be useful to know the names in these guys' birth certificates; I think a discussion about their behavior is perfectly possible without that.
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Posted - Mar 12 2018 : 7:42PM
Amen to that. I truly and greatly despise all of the degrading stuff you see in so much porn. I have to believe the output of disgusting, violent, and weird stuff far outweighs the demand for it. It's a shame.
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Posted - Mar 12 2018 : 7:42PM
I agree you make a valid point about the name issue but I think that Just Dave should get the same blacklisting that folks are expecting for Rico. Edited by - flip69 on 3/12/2018 7:44:56 PM Edited by - flip69 on 3/12/2018 7:45:31 PM
Unfortunately, people who just don't want to believe the woman's side of the story will grasp at any flimsy reason to discount them. It happens every time a story like this breaks. Every time. Just yet another example of one of the reasons women are afraid to come forward with this stuff and the reason it will continue to keep happening. Scumbags will continue to take advantage of women in this way because so many people are so quick to say anything to try and discredit them switch the focus to them being the horrible girl just looking to bring men down.
We don't allow real names here so don't expect anyone to give it to you.
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Posted - Mar 12 2018 : 11:30PM
I understand.
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Posted - Mar 13 2018 : 6:12AM
This is the most disturbing video I have seen in quite some time. Added these abusers to my banned list. Off to delete every Rico scene in my collection.
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Posted - Mar 13 2018 : 8:07AM
thats happen when you fuck for living,the hormons from men takes their controls :)) Edited by - iranalfan on 3/13/2018 8:07:25 AM
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Posted - Mar 13 2018 : 8:27AM
The problem isn't just the people making abusive porn. It's the people getting off on it, and giving the producers money. I'm almost glad FA were such obnoxious spammers that they forced us to assume all discussion of their website was spam. They make the whole industry look bad.
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Posted - Mar 13 2018 : 8:32AM
^^ Sorry, but no. And you enable the behavior with that attitude. It's the same as the old "Look at the way she is dressed, she was asking for it" defense.
They ACT in a scene, don't fuck , it's no different than a mainstream actress fucks on screen, same thing with less details , you don't expect for the actor to rape her just because "she fucks for a living" because "men hormones kick in" , it's just bullshit , and make no mistake it was acting Leigh is lesbian married to another woman
Boundaries change, first off the actress has rates , if we agree on something you don't get to take more , secondly it might be physical , if you have shot a BDSM scene a couple days before you may like to recover before doing another , so yes even if someone had done the most outrageous BDSM scene she is still entitled to put boundaries whenever she needs Edited by - LCF on 3/13/2018 10:24:24 AM
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Dredd, So a performer isn't allowed to have a different set of limits depending on what her feelings are at the time? You also make it seem as though, since they did it once, they should just shut up and take it. Just because they were paid does not mean it wasn't abuse. In any other work environment, OSHA would be on them like white on rice, but since sex work is devalued in this country due to repressive bible thumping idiots, they get none of the protections workers in other fields get from employers. Studios, directors and stunt dicks know this and feel entitled to take what they want and either apologize or ignore it after the fact. Fuck that.
Um, no. Her boundaries are what she sets for each scene she is booked for, which can vary as she sees fit. Crossing her boundaries without permission is sexual assault. What you have said is no different than saying, hey that girl had a threesome last night so me and my buddy can tag team her whether she wants to or not.Um, no, that is rape and sexual assault. She is acting in a movie for you enjoyment, this doesn't mean that anyone can just nail her as they see fit. What you have said is no different than saying look how she dressed, men's hormones just took over, it is all good. Some of you really need to see A Taboo Identity: The Evolution of Kay Taylor Parker where she talks about acting in adult films. You could learn a lot and maybe start seeing adult movie actresses as actual people instead of thinking they are just fuck toys to be abused as you see fit.
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Posted - Mar 13 2018 : 11:50AM
^ I think he was agreeing with you guys. Like if a performer as "game" as Leigh Raven is saying this, there's little reason to doubt her, because you know it must have been bad.
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Your statement has the same exact issue that his did. What a performer was "game" to do yesterday has nothing to do with what the performer is "game" to do today. Yesterday a performer could do a 100 guy gangbang with vaginal and anal sex. If she has agreed to then do a girl/girl scene today and a guy decides he is going to have vaginal sex with her during the scene without her permission, her boundaries were crossed and that is called rape and sexual assault. How believable an accusation is has nothing to do with prior acts or how "bad" the act was. Anything that is not agreed upon is rape/sexual assault. Period.
^ Thanks. It's tough sometimes to see how we play into this attitude. I didn't think much of the comment until I read your post and you're absolutely right. Meanwhile, the "I know the real man and he would never do this" statement literally makes me want to puke.
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Posted - Mar 13 2018 : 1:40PM
[Tweet is no longer available] No, I don;t Jada. Then play the tape. I am so fucking tired of "It's on tape but we can't show it". Bullshit.
^ She knows him very well , she just can't believe he could have done that, as for control I seriously doubt she ever worked with the FA guys, Clayra Beau did and said they had a safe word but she couldn't say it because they'd never let her talk having always something in her mouth But the very fact that they shoot FA scenes withouth saying it is really revealing , a girl may agree to a blow job or to a rough scene even , but "Rough" in a regular scene is one thing "rough" for a site meant to degrade women is another , especially when their customer get to know she's been tricked into it and is a true victim, I'm pretty sure they'd get off violently
several females have defended Rico, based on first hand experiences. I'm not absolving him, because he was involved, but I think Just Dave is the true villain. He seemed to hold something over Rico while simultaneously tricking the females into these shoots. Rico has not articulated his argument well, but I can understand if he was so desperate to earn a check that he was willing to work with JD. As mentioned before, in the replies, some performers mention how Rico somewhat attempted to be rough but gentle for the sake of finishing the scene, whereas others slander him completely with homophobic allegations. We dont know Rico's history, but we know Just Dave's history - he had a hand in Pornstar Punishment, he liked to work with Deen, and continued to employ Clover after his felonious behavior was revealed. Which person comes off more as the type to relish in exploiting and abusing girls? And why is material that nearly simulates rape still being produced? It's one thing to play around with gags and cuffs, but another when you're waterboarding chicks or forcing them to puke at your discretion
In terms of why the content is still produced, I tend to fall along the lines of as long as all the people in the scene are fully aware of what is going to happen and are consenting to it, then they should be allowed to do what they want (as long as those boundaries are maintained and performers are allowed to stop if they want to). The problem that I see with this type of content comes from trying to make it a website/production company with regularly scheduled releases. As in, while there are some women out there that are willing to shoot scenes like this, there aren't necessarily enough of them to consistently fill a website with new content at persistent intervals (i.e. weekly or something around that) without things getting repetitive. Which leads to producers feeling the need to either trick performers into shooting with them in the first place, or ignore boundaries when they get there for the sake of making sure they get a completed scene. Kink seems to be the only company that has been able to consistently find performers to fill their content schedule, and even that hasn't been without their own problems in terms of models feeling like they can't complain about things or that they have to push their boundaries a bit farther than they want (but Kink usually states this up front and respects safe words if the performer wants to stop, it's more a matter of the performer doing these things because they feel they need to in order to continue working for them). Edited by - whatsatelephonebill on 3/13/2018 9:47:15 PM
Maybe i didn't make myself clear. IF someone like Leigh, who does said scenes said her boundaries was crossed i'm going to lean on the side of believing her. Especially when said scenes always make clear beforehand what the limits are. Both in porn and real life. Crossing said boundaries is shit. point blank. You all are putting it in my mouth that just because she does said scenes i'm not believing her, and its kind of annoying. I'm not saying that. ----Dread's Twitter---- Edited by - dread on 3/13/2018 11:47:08 PM Edited by - dread on 3/14/2018 12:01:12 AM
I watched her video. She and Riley had to do the same bullshit by degrading themselves for being white. Being called dumb white bitches, crackers and other shit. They had to call the guy black daddy and worship his black greatness or whatever. That's why I hate sites like Dogfart and all of this cuck culture. They normalize it. Are you kidding me? The guy can't say no to that scene because he has to pay rent? I'm sure he can get another scene that doesn't ask for that. I hope both sites are shut down. But I really doubt it. It seems most white men now like to hear that they are wimps with small dicks. Ridiculous. And people are still surprised that Trump won. All of you who support this white shaming have only yourselves to blame. People are tired of it. I know I am.
^ So we're policing people's fantasies now? The issue isn't the roughness or the degradation of the content. It's that she (and other performers) didn't consent to it.
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Posted - Mar 14 2018 : 6:25AM
^ I didn't say that though, did I? Regardless of whether it sells or not, people were violated.
Good people can do bad things. It's entirely possible Rico is a great guy on other porn shoots. Perhaps Rico was put into a situation where he didn't think he'd get paid if he didn't go along with behaving that way. Maybe he's being paid much more than normal to do those shoots and was afraid if he didn't do what was asked of him he'd loose out on that pay. I'm sure there will be plenty people defending him but we've seen countless times in the news where a seemingly nice person does something totally unexpected or people find out that person has a different side to them. However for me that doesn't let Rico off the hook (or anyone involved). Sometimes you gotta step up and make the choice to do the right thing over making a buck. Particularly when it comes to actually physically hurting others.
My attitude towards porn in general is as long as the performers agree to the what will take place in the scene ahead of time and no one is getting hurt or breaking laws it's okay. We all should realize this is acting/pretend. I don't like/don't get a lot of the porn being made but I'm okay with that. However, for me the violent porn is a little different. What always tends to happen is there will be someone who wants to push it and actually start hurting people in an attempt to take it to another level. So I'm not for porn that shows violence against women and I personally don't like watching porn where the girl doesn't seem to be enjoying themselves.
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