Leigh Raven Accuses Rico Strong of Sexual Assault (page 6)

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Porn Scout Deactivated User 3735 Posts 10/02	Posted - Apr 14 2018 : 10:47PM misspornUSA wrote: ^Did you watch the unedited scene? Click to expand You mean on FA? No, I don't go for that sort of thing. [Link]
Porn Scout Deactivated User 3735 Posts 10/02	Posted - Apr 14 2018 : 10:50PM FlacFan wrote: I don't see how you can hold it against Nikki. Think about it this way, because it's the same scenario: You pick your wife or significant other up from work, clearly distraught and traumatized. Would you do any less to get her story heard and to have her get some justice? Click to expand You're right, but clearly that's what's happening. [Link]
Jackbrown74 Deactivated User 355 Posts 10/17	Posted - Apr 15 2018 : 12:22AM Interesting how Mike South states that justdave has been linked to FA. Look at the scene Leigh shit at identical to the FA vids w Anastasia rose and Nickey huntsman also interesting how it's a new "unknown site" maybe it is affiliated w FA also many other actresses have come out against Dave. If Mike south wants the truth give us the name of this new website and how it's owned by [Link]
Jackbrown74 Deactivated User 355 Posts 10/17	Posted - Apr 15 2018 : 12:24AM Porn Scout wrote: misspornUSA wrote: ^Did you watch the unedited scene? Click to expand You mean on FA? No, I don't go for that sort of thing. Click to expand Mike south put up the info on his site and the FA Twitter accounts are retweeting it. The story claims FA doesn't have any involvement yet states a new unarmed site was what this scene was for [Link]

LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Apr 15 2018 : 5:20AM ^ and ^^ Of course they deny, otherwise the whole defensive line would crash completely It's been a while that FA lures actresses tricking them into what they think are regular scenes , they know they wouldn't have accepted a FA scene if they knew it in advance. That site focus on objectivation and degradation of women , it's not just rough or dominant sex , it's not BDSM a regulated domination-submission role play. if it was a FA scene the very simple fact that they lied to her to trick into a scene of degradation never agreed in advance and would've never agreed upon if she knew it was them. If she fell into a trap , whatever happened after that wouldn't change the fact she's been trapped In this case whatever happened in the raw footage doesn't matter , it's not rough sex , it's well beyond that , keep also in mind it was a "straight sex " scene , and we're talking about a married lesbian who certainly doesn't have a liking for a degrading male-female scene , not to mention the kind of stuff a lesbian has to endure in real life just being her own sexual being. Of course FA would deny they had anything to do with them So what was/is this new site ? will we ever see it in the future? When they decided to create it? is there any proof they were actually creating such a site? Did they do just after some rumors came out about those scene with some tricked in stars , did they do the same with complete newbies who didn't even get they were tricked ? Did register a company ? Had Some talk with producers ? Bought internet space, servers, domains? Schedule porn sets ? and all of this on behalf of the Company's name for obvious tax purposes. If nothing of that sort existed prior of the scene well let me tell you it's most likely made up Edited by - LCF on 4/15/2018 5:31:34 AM [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Apr 15 2018 : 9:14AM Wow. I haven't watched the tape (probably never will) but based on what's being reported here, I take the bulk of the blame away from Rico and the director shooting the scene whereas before I wanted them punished in some way. Yeah, Raven may have felt she was assaulted/abused but I think she needs to accept some of the blame for the events that happened. If she didn't actually tell the people in the room to stop because they've gone too far and even worse laughed (regardless of the reason for it) and then apologized for laughing later, then why would she think they should know how she really feels? No offense but that actually gives the impression that not only is everything is fine but perhaps you can take it a bit further. You can't expect people to be able to read your mind and pick up on nonverbal cues you give out in a situation where you're told and expected to speak up if things go too far. I've heard this before with some of the stories of claimed sexual assault/abuse lately where the woman does nothing to try and stop sex/abuse from happening and just goes along with the events happening to her. Unfortunately, there are times when the woman says no and the assault/abuse continues but there are also many times when all it took for the assault abuse to stop is the woman speaking up and saying "no" or "stop". I'm all for the empowerment of women against sexual assault and men just being stupid and abusive but a big part of than empowerment needs to come from the women feeling the power to say "no" and not the empowerment of women being able to have men punished for not being able to read their minds. As far as the Raven case goes, this is how I feel unless I see new evidence that makes me change my stance. I still feel for her and hopes she recovers from this in all possible ways but as of now I don't see Rico and the people present as the villains I did before. [Link]
Janitor Retired Porno movies, sexy videos, xxx. Adult DVD Talk at your service. 6409 Posts 11/99	Posted - Apr 15 2018 : 9:29AM I watched some of the "unedited footage" (it's clearly edited.) Since when is it ok to be coerced into fucking off camera because the male performer can't cum?! That alone speaks to the total lack of professionalism on this shoot. It sounds like the director is saying something about how Leigh saved the day at the end. What the fuck?! This supposedly unedited footage does nothing but make it clear that no female performer should go on set with these guys. Totally oblivious to her obvious discomfort. Exit interviews are absurd (let me dangle a check in front of you so you say exactly what you're supposed to and can go home.) [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Apr 15 2018 : 9:53AM Janitor wrote: Since when is it ok to be coerced into fucking off camera because the male performer can't cum?! Click to expand Isn't that type of thing fairly common? Everyone wants the guy to climax so they can get things over with. I thought usually if the girl can do anything to with that she does. Does it make a difference whether the girl is doing it with the camera on and edit it out later or if the camera is off and she does it? [Link]
fanofman Senior Member 2053 Posts 9/15	Posted - Apr 15 2018 : 10:28AM ^I thought it was fairly common for the girl to "assist" off camera if the guys is having erection issues. I've read porn actresses speak about it before. [Link]
FlacFan Deactivated User 10088 Posts 8/15	Posted - Apr 15 2018 : 11:12AM Fluffers went out in the early 80's. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Apr 15 2018 : 11:17AM LCF wrote: ^ and ^^ Of course they deny, otherwise the whole defensive line would crash completely It's been a while that FA lures actresses tricking them into what they think are regular scenes , they know they wouldn't have accepted a FA scene if they knew it in advance. Click to expand Do you have evidence linking Just Dave's shoots to FA? Anastasia Rose claimed that she was tricked into shooting for FA, but her claim has been disproven, with evidence, by Mike South. [Link]
Jackbrown74 Deactivated User 355 Posts 10/17	Posted - Apr 15 2018 : 11:19AM LCF wrote: ^ and ^^ Of course they deny, otherwise the whole defensive line would crash completely It's been a while that FA lures actresses tricking them into what they think are regular scenes , they know they wouldn't have accepted a FA scene if they knew it in advance. That site focus on objectivation and degradation of women , it's not just rough or dominant sex , it's not BDSM a regulated domination-submission role play. if it was a FA scene the very simple fact that they lied to her to trick into a scene of degradation never agreed in advance and would've never agreed upon if she knew it was them. If she fell into a trap , whatever happened after that wouldn't change the fact she's been trapped In this case whatever happened in the raw footage doesn't matter , it's not rough sex , it's well beyond that , keep also in mind it was a "straight sex " scene , and we're talking about a married lesbian who certainly doesn't have a liking for a degrading male-female scene , not to mention the kind of stuff a lesbian has to endure in real life just being her own sexual being. Of course FA would deny they had anything to do with them So what was/is this new site ? will we ever see it in the future? When they decided to create it? is there any proof they were actually creating such a site? Did they do just after some rumors came out about those scene with some tricked in stars , did they do the same with complete newbies who didn't even get they were tricked ? Did register a company ? Had Some talk with producers ? Bought internet space, servers, domains? Schedule porn sets ? and all of this on behalf of the Company's name for obvious tax purposes. If nothing of that sort existed prior of the scene well let me tell you it's most likely made up Look at Anastasia rose tweets when this first broke and same w Nickey huntsman both were at the same set this was. Both all white and this looks identical to,FA, as it's the one of the Few site now that does the unedited puke scenes Edited by - LCF on 4/15/2018 5:31:34 AM Click to expand [Link]
Jackbrown74 Deactivated User 355 Posts 10/17	Posted - Apr 15 2018 : 11:21AM FlacFan wrote: Fluffers went out in the early 80's. Click to expand American Pornstar uses them [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Apr 15 2018 : 11:21AM Porn Scout wrote: misspornUSA wrote: ^Did you watch the unedited scene? Click to expand You mean on FA? No, I don't go for that sort of thing. Click to expand It's has nothing to do with going for that sort of thing, and everything to do with accessing the only evidence available. Insofar as the possible involvement of FA, all I've seen is speculation and the false claim of Anastasia Rose. [Link]

misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Apr 15 2018 : 11:47AM Draxxx wrote: Wow. I haven't watched the tape (probably never will) but based on what's being reported here, I take the bulk of the blame away from Rico and the director shooting the scene whereas before I wanted them punished in some way. Yeah, Raven may have felt she was assaulted/abused but I think she needs to accept some of the blame for the events that happened. If she didn't actually tell the people in the room to stop because they've gone too far and even worse laughed (regardless of the reason for it) and then apologized for laughing later, then why would she think they should know how she really feels? No offense but that actually gives the impression that not only is everything is fine but perhaps you can take it a bit further. You can't expect people to be able to read your mind and pick up on nonverbal cues you give out in a situation where you're told and expected to speak up if things go too far. Click to expand To your point, Just Dave asked: If behaving as though one consents, having a positive, cheerful demeanor, and refusing to take a director up on his offer to call for a "cut" in the action if a boundary is overstepped, constitutes behavior that is not to be trusted or believed, then how could anyone on the set have known that she was (allegedly) distraught or experiencing intolerable discomfort? Click to expand Good question. Like I wrote on the previous page, there needs to be a shared responsibility. Scene partners and directors have a responsibility to consistently check in, and the starring performer has a responsibility to speak honestly about their level of comfort/discomfort. I've watched a little under an hour more of the footage and, thankfully, I haven't seen a sexual assault yet. To be clear, I'm talking about sexual assault as something that can be empirically observed. If people are going to define it as a feeling within or a personal "truth", then there's no point in watching the footage. Edited by - misspornUSA on 4/15/2018 11:47:59 AM [Link]
Jackbrown74 Deactivated User 355 Posts 10/17	Posted - Apr 15 2018 : 12:06PM 31:30 rico says I'm bout to punch her in her fucking nose 2:18:00 Rico obviously penetrates too deep and you can hear Leigh's I'm discomfort The pop has the actress sitting for a few minutes exactly like FA This is a FA partnership no doubt [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Apr 15 2018 : 12:36PM ^31:30 The larger context is Rico joking about the fact that Leigh just laughs whenever he slaps her. Rico's comments may have been inappropriate, but he is not actually threatening to punch her. I haven't gotten to 2:18:00 yet so I can't comment on that. [Link]
Jackbrown74 Deactivated User 355 Posts 10/17	Posted - Apr 15 2018 : 1:27PM misspornUSA wrote: Porn Scout wrote: misspornUSA wrote: ^Did you watch the unedited scene? Click to expand You mean on FA? No, I don't go for that sort of thing. Click to expand It's has nothing to do with going for that sort of thing, and everything to do with accessing the only evidence available. Insofar as the possible involvement of FA, all I've seen is speculation and the false claim of Anastasia Rose. Click to expand Did you watch anastaia's scene no where did it say it was an FA scene except for when it popped up on their site but no where in that scene is FA alluded to [Link]
shalalin Senior Member 1738 Posts 11/07	Posted - Apr 15 2018 : 2:04PM LCF wrote: So what was/is this new site ? will we ever see it in the future? When they decided to create it? is there any proof they were actually creating such a site? Did they do just after some rumors came out about those scene with some tricked in stars , did they do the same with complete newbies who didn't even get they were tricked ? Did register a company ? Had Some talk with producers ? Bought internet space, servers, domains? Schedule porn sets ? and all of this on behalf of the Company's name for obvious tax purposes. If nothing of that sort existed prior of the scene well let me tell you it's most likely made up Click to expand What are you talking about? It's almost certainly just another upcoming sub-site for Bang.com that Just Dave was referring to there. He seems to be stockpiling lots of scenes in general - there have been plenty of other Bang.com shoots that were mentioned on Twitter etc. 6+ months before they were eventually released. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Apr 15 2018 : 2:10PM ^^Mike South posted text messages on his blog in which Anastasia is explicitly informed that she'll be shooting for Facial Abuse. For the record, that doesn't mean that the shoot was otherwise on the up and up. Edited by - misspornUSA on 4/15/2018 2:11:55 PM [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Apr 15 2018 : 5:15PM misspornUSA wrote: LCF wrote: ^ and ^^ Of course they deny, otherwise the whole defensive line would crash completely It's been a while that FA lures actresses tricking them into what they think are regular scenes , they know they wouldn't have accepted a FA scene if they knew it in advance. Click to expand Do you have evidence linking Just Dave's shoots to FA? Anastasia Rose claimed that she was tricked into shooting for FA, but her claim has been disproven, with evidence, by Mike South. Click to expand No I've only heard actresses say so the one you mentioned and Nicky Huntsman Edited by - LCF on 4/15/2018 5:18:00 PM [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Apr 15 2018 : 5:20PM shalalin wrote: LCF wrote: So what was/is this new site ? will we ever see it in the future? When they decided to create it? is there any proof they were actually creating such a site? Did they do just after some rumors came out about those scene with some tricked in stars , did they do the same with complete newbies who didn't even get they were tricked ? Did register a company ? Had Some talk with producers ? Bought internet space, servers, domains? Schedule porn sets ? and all of this on behalf of the Company's name for obvious tax purposes. If nothing of that sort existed prior of the scene well let me tell you it's most likely made up Click to expand What are you talking about? It's almost certainly just another upcoming sub-site for Bang.com that Just Dave was referring to there. He seems to be stockpiling lots of scenes in general - there have been plenty of other Bang.com shoots that were mentioned on Twitter etc. 6+ months before they were eventually released. Click to expand It's easy if this alleged new site with that kind of content has been already registered or not otherwise I can say anything [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Apr 15 2018 : 5:39PM misspornUSA wrote: ^^Mike South posted text messages on his blog in which Anastasia is explicitly informed that she'll be shooting for Facial Abuse. For the record, that doesn't mean that the shoot was otherwise on the up and up. Edited by - misspornUSA on 4/15/2018 2:11:55 PM Click to expand Before or after they scheduled her shoot? It's VERY relevant , if you miss a shoot your agent may very well "fine" you. I rememeber Gabriela Paltrova claiming her agent (Hays) charged her a fine of $ 1,000 for having missed a shoot already scheduled during the moratorium placed for the Syphilis outbreak So if they scheduled you for shooting a scene and then say a couple day prior they say to you it's a FA shoot what would you do? lose your money and get fined in addition or go on and try to endure? So unless Mike South give us the relevant timetable over when the shoot was scheduled , when was she informed about what it was , whether she knew or not what a FA scene is meant to be , and whether her agent is used to fine a missing shoot and up to what amount. Also what are her wages , did she agreed for a regular wage when she scheduled the shoot? Did she raised significantly her regular wages given the kind of scene she was getting into? Was she paid as agreed In advance prior of being texted it was a FA scene? Was she given a raise along with that crucial information? Too many things are missing. Of course if she was informed about her scene, she agreed to do a FA scene and scheduled the shoot with wages dealt prior of the shoot then I stand corrected With these partial informations and limited evidence , she can still claim she was tricked into something she wouldn't have agreed had she known before schedule. Edited by - LCF on 4/15/2018 5:49:38 PM [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Apr 15 2018 : 6:37PM ^There's no need to speculate when you can read the relevant text messages for yourself. [Link]

tookie Member 732 Posts 11/06	Posted - Apr 15 2018 : 8:13PM Tacobowling wrote: In this case, she agreed to rough b/g, vomit ahead of time. She says he hit her way to hard to start the scene, etc... How can he know that it was too hard? Different performers are proud to give really rough performances. If upon have boundaries crossed, laughter and acting like everything is cool for the next 6 hrs is an instinctive reaction, then it could be argued that SHE is the abuser and dangerous person. If you can say Rico is playing a role, possibly he doesn't want cause any distress, and her NOT allowing him to know that real distress was occurring is abusive, even if we don't get into her accusations. Show me where on the 3hr tape she indicates there's any sort of issue? Click to expand How about let's not have porn with hitting and vomit. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Apr 15 2018 : 8:41PM ^I'd like it to exist, but maybe directors and performers who want to create and participate in that kind of porn should take some BDSM classes. [Link]
pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10	Posted - Apr 15 2018 : 10:06PM ^ While hitting or more precisely the stricking of the body in various forms is part of S & M. Vomiting isn't and never was. In fact vomiting tends to only be included in the more fringe sites like FA and their various sister sites. The only exception I can think of is Bryan Gozzling's Hookup Hotshot where vomiting tends to make a regular appearance. Otherwise most studios will edit out the vomit if it occurs but usually they have a much easier solution. They simply make sure it doesn't happen and the reason for that is that nobody likes to vomit so why would a porn performer enjoy it? Giving a course on how to treat each other during a BSDM shoot would not help anyone who works for FA because those guys don't shoot that kind of porn. I wish I could tell you what kind of porn FA shoots but the only word that comes to mind is misogynist and that's not one of the words in BSDM. [Link]
girlswaygirl Member 162 Posts 7/16	Posted - Apr 16 2018 : 12:07PM Janitor wrote: I watched some of the "unedited footage" (it's clearly edited.) Since when is it ok to be coerced into fucking off camera because the male performer can't cum?! That alone speaks to the total lack of professionalism on this shoot. It sounds like the director is saying something about how Leigh saved the day at the end. What the fuck?! This supposedly unedited footage does nothing but make it clear that no female performer should go on set with these guys. Totally oblivious to her obvious discomfort. Exit interviews are absurd (let me dangle a check in front of you so you say exactly what you're supposed to and can go home.) Click to expand + 1 Just popping in because someone above said misogyny (literally, hatred of women) is what we pay for [in porn]. It sure af isn't what I pay for (but then, I would never watch or pay for this particular type of product, different strokes or w/e). As a fan, I had to object. I wish Leigh healing & good health. Don't care about Rico's or Just Dave's careers, so um, good luck with that. Carry on. Edited by - girlswaygirl on 4/16/2018 4:31:11 PM [Link]
girlswaygirl Member 162 Posts 7/16	Posted - Apr 16 2018 : 12:13PM ^^ Oh, and the type of people who shoot content like FA aren't likely to give a rat's ass about BDSM classes & the like. Exactly the type of people who need to be educated to change their ways are the least likely to be inclined to do so. Not sure what the solution is other than bad producers/talent being shunned, but unfortunately they will always find a way to make their product and there will always be an appetite for it. I wish female talent would refuse these shoots entirely, but everyone has their own personal calculations to make & I don't blame them for that. [Link]
Jackbrown74 Deactivated User 355 Posts 10/17	Posted - Apr 16 2018 : 3:46PM LCF wrote: misspornUSA wrote: ^^Mike South posted text messages on his blog in which Anastasia is explicitly informed that she'll be shooting for Facial Abuse. For the record, that doesn't mean that the shoot was otherwise on the up and up. Edited by - misspornUSA on 4/15/2018 2:11:55 PM Click to expand Before or after they scheduled her shoot? It's VERY relevant , if you miss a shoot your agent may very well "fine" you. I rememeber Gabriela Paltrova claiming her agent (Hays) charged her a fine of $ 1,000 for having missed a shoot already scheduled during the moratorium placed for the Syphilis outbreak So if they scheduled you for shooting a scene and then say a couple day prior they say to you it's a FA shoot what would you do? lose your money and get fined in addition or go on and try to endure? So unless Mike South give us the relevant timetable over when the shoot was scheduled , when was she informed about what it was , whether she knew or not what a FA scene is meant to be , and whether her agent is used to fine a missing shoot and up to what amount. Also what are her wages , did she agreed for a regular wage when she scheduled the shoot? Did she raised significantly her regular wages given the kind of scene she was getting into? Was she paid as agreed In advance prior of being texted it was a FA scene? Was she given a raise along with that crucial information? Too many things are missing. Of course if she was informed about her scene, she agreed to do a FA scene and scheduled the shoot with wages dealt prior of the shoot then I stand corrected With these partial informations and limited evidence , she can still claim she was tricked into something she wouldn't have agreed had she known before schedule. Edited by - LCF on 4/15/2018 5:49:38 PM Click to expand Anastasia did a ripoff FA scene it wasn't in jersey and she was had mainstream stars in mr Pete and John strong [Link]
zaxmate Senior Member 8384 Posts 5/15	Posted - Apr 16 2018 : 11:19PM This analysis should be useful for those who don't want to watch the entire thing [Tweet is no longer available] [Link]
FlacFan Deactivated User 10088 Posts 8/15	Posted - Apr 16 2018 : 11:29PM ^ That is a powerful article. [Link]
girlswaygirl Member 162 Posts 7/16	Posted - Apr 17 2018 : 9:21AM ^ Agreed. Solid article. The tone of the Mike South articles only reinforces to me that the dudes involved are unprofessional clowns who are spinning wildly because their work has now dried up (the way they refused to engage with Riley Nixon's claims but said something akin to "to be continued" was straight out of the unprofessional clown playbook). The footage is not unedited, period. That one lie is enough to tell me all I need to know. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Apr 17 2018 : 1:09PM pat362 wrote: ^ While hitting or more precisely the stricking of the body in various forms is part of S & M. Vomiting isn't and never was. Click to expand Are you in the lifestyle? Emetophilia is in indeed a thing in BDSM. As far I can tell it's not widespread, but it is a part of play for some people. The point of taking the classes is to gain a better understanding of consent, communication and shared responsibility. pat362 wrote: They simply make sure it doesn't happen and the reason for that is that nobody likes to vomit so why would a porn performer enjoy it? Click to expand In our past discussions you have exhibited a distinct over reliance on generalizations. In fact, you do not know how many people like it. Are you still in denial about the fact that performers shoot all sorts of content that doesn't personally appeal to them, either in general or in the moment? We've gone over this before. A scene could be a basic, very vanilla b/g vag and there are still numerous reasons why a performer might not actually enjoy it. In any case, I don't know which performers would enjoy it and under what circumstances. Do you? pat362 wrote: Giving a course on how to treat each other during a BSDM shoot would not help anyone who works for FA because those guys don't shoot that kind of porn. Click to expand The point of taking the classes is to gain a better understanding of consent, communication and shared responsibility. I don't know about classes that exist for BDSM shoots. I'm talking about typical BDSM classes, not classes in BDSM porn. A person can take what they learn there are apply it their work in porn. pat362 wrote: I wish I could tell you what kind of porn FA shoots but the only word that comes to mind is misogynist and that's not one of the words in BSDM. Click to expand Did you forget that you and I have already fruitlessly discussed FA with each other in the past? [Link]

misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Apr 17 2018 : 1:12PM girlswaygirl wrote: ^^ Oh, and the type of people who shoot content like FA aren't likely to give a rat's ass about BDSM classes & the like. Exactly the type of people who need to be educated to change their ways are the least likely to be inclined to do so. Click to expand Avoiding situations in which they are accused of sexual assault is a good incentive. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Apr 17 2018 : 1:19PM zaxmate wrote: This analysis should be useful for those who don't want to watch the entire thing [Tweet is no longer available] Click to expand People are much better off watching the video themselves rather than absorbing someone else's biases, but Danielle makes some important points: It appears as if the people manning the cameras have no idea what they are doing. To me, they seem like amateurs who clearly lack the ability to give direction about their "vision" for the shoot. 7:02 - Leigh explains that she has a shallow cervix, the response from ALL of the men is one of uncomfortable humor. It's almost as if they have NO concept of female anatomy, and they minimize her explanation of her limits in regards to her specific anatomy. Big no-no. Huge red flag. I mean, come on, these are men who are supposed to be informed about SEX. They film live sex for a living! Amateurs. Immature and uneducated. Click to expand 2:12:10 - Raven gives the non-verbal cue of pushing his legs away while she cries out in pain. Does he stop or adjust? This time, kind of. Yet, throughout the rest of the shoot he continues to use deep penetration over and over after her repeated cues of squeezing his leg and pushing his leg away AND crying out. He completely disregards her cues and continues to cause pain. It is a difficult part of the scene to watch. At that point, the man behind the camera should have stopped the scene and checked in with Raven. It is HIS job to enforce both verbal and NON-VERBAL objections to what is being done. If you can't tell the difference between acting to be hurt and actually being hurt, THEN YOU SHOULDN'T BE IN THE FUCKING BUSINESS OF CREATING ROUGH SEX PORN. Click to expand 2:20:00 - Strong apparently has a problem cumming so he uses Raven to get really aroused for the "pop" shot. He then fucks her for nearly ten minutes that I'm pretty sure aren't being filmed. I find it ironic that in order for him to really get aroused, he engages in some very vanilla sex with Raven and even starts to kiss her and hold her close to his body. This could be a blog post on its own, but I'll stay focused here. Click to expand Edited by - misspornUSA on 4/17/2018 1:20:52 PM [Link]
girlswaygirl Member 162 Posts 7/16	Posted - Apr 17 2018 : 5:33PM ^^ This is hardly the first time FA content producers or FA-adjacent content producers have been accused of being waaaay tf out of line, though. I don't even think these types of accusations would be off-putting to a sizeable chunk of the fan base. JMO, based on a) innumerable comments online from enthusiasts and b) the nature of it. Danielle's blog made clear just how uneducated/ignorant/dismissive/careless the people on this set were regarding human biology, consent, etc. I hope they become educated as a result of the harsh spotlight of this incident and learn how to do better by talent if they hope to continue in the adult industry. The scornful, sneering tone of the statement published on Mike South doesn't give me any hope that will be the case, though. I am not sure how this is solved other than first trying to educate, and failing that, shunning them. Edit: I just looked up the latest follow up posts on Mike South and all I can say is, yikes. They are incredibly incendiary, nasty and mean-spirited. I really don't think there is any learning from this, taking BDSM classes, etc. It's just going to be the usual narrative of "bitches be lyin'" and straight up denial in the hopes that this blows over & they can carry on as before. Edited by - girlswaygirl on 4/17/2018 5:44:38 PM Edited by - girlswaygirl on 4/17/2018 5:46:07 PM Edited by - girlswaygirl on 4/18/2018 7:12:01 AM [Link]
Flash Golden Age Classic 11017 Posts 5/01	Posted - Apr 17 2018 : 9:22PM misspornUSA wrote: People are much better off watching the video themselves rather than absorbing someone else's biases, but Danielle makes some important points: Click to expand Some of us have no interest in watching an alleged sexual assault. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Apr 18 2018 : 5:44PM zaxmate wrote: This analysis should be useful for those who don't want to watch the entire thing [Tweet is no longer available] Click to expand It took me a minute but I just realised that's my friend irl! Lol. Weird coincidence. As usual, her analysis is whip smart. [Link]
vanessadelriolover Member I woke up today and everything is still everything! 403 Posts 1/09	Posted - Apr 20 2018 : 10:58AM Gore Gore Girl wrote: zaxmate wrote: This analysis should be useful for those who don't want to watch the entire thing [Tweet is no longer available] Click to expand It took me a minute but I just realised that's my friend irl! Lol. Weird coincidence. As usual, her analysis is whip smart. Click to expand Did everyone see this back and forth with Mike South? Mike south vs. Leigh raven VDRLvr [Link]
FlacFan Deactivated User 10088 Posts 8/15	Posted - Apr 20 2018 : 1:03PM ^ What I took from all of that was him attempting to use other events to try to justify his actions/the events of that day. [Link]
realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04	Posted - Apr 22 2018 : 5:03PM So it looks like people have seen the footage which completely contradicts her story. After being called a misogynist for questioning her accusation from the beginning, I would like to think that this will be a lesson to people to not always rush to pick up the torches and pitchforks every time a woman makes an accusation without proof. Not to say I told you so, but I did. [Link]
tookie Member 732 Posts 11/06	Posted - Apr 23 2018 : 5:04AM ^ Dude, you have a very long posting history here that more than proves you're a misogynist. That's before we even get into the stuff you post on the Legal Porno board and on twitter. So don't even... [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Apr 23 2018 : 9:16AM ^^ The footage is cut and edited by the alleged assaliant, thus it cannot be taken as proof of anything , it's not neautral [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Apr 23 2018 : 3:44PM Flash wrote: misspornUSA wrote: People are much better off watching the video themselves rather than absorbing someone else's biases, but Danielle makes some important points: Click to expand Some of us have no interest in watching an alleged sexual assault. Click to expand I'm not faulting anyone for not watching it, but I do very much believe that if someone wants to know what happened in the video they are better off watching it than reading an interpretation of it. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Apr 23 2018 : 4:06PM vanessadelriolover wrote: Gore Gore Girl wrote: zaxmate wrote: This analysis should be useful for those who don't want to watch the entire thing [Tweet is no longer available] Click to expand It took me a minute but I just realised that's my friend irl! Lol. Weird coincidence. As usual, her analysis is whip smart. Click to expand Did everyone see this back and forth with Mike South? Mike south vs. Leigh raven VDRLvr Click to expand South and JustDave seem incredulous about the possibility that Leigh was fine with "Hooked" but not with the "Black Payback" shoot, but I don't see a contradiction. That someone is comfortable on one set and not on another does not make that person into a hypocrite. [Link]
Maxxx Stirner Deactivated User 319 Posts 11/14	Posted - Apr 23 2018 : 5:22PM ^ Does South not consider that many women in the past let a lot of things go in the last 15 years and it is only now that things are coming to a boiling point with a new breed of woman who want a higher degree of consensual standards? [Link]
IRanalFan Deactivated User 532 Posts 10/17	Posted - Apr 24 2018 : 1:03AM is this video somewhere released? how guys you know about timestamp? [Link]
leatherface Senior Member 1258 Posts 7/07	Posted - Apr 24 2018 : 10:58AM f I had to judge by this short video, I have not a good impression of Leigh Raven at all. She really looks like a big liar. How does sexual consent work I don't know, I'm usually tempted to believe women but this video is hard to watch because what I see is a woman that is lying and if you do something like in a similar situation that you're truly an horrible person. I'll watch the entire scene and see if I'm missing something. [Link]
pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10	Posted - Apr 24 2018 : 11:16AM Maxxx Stirner wrote: ^ Does South not consider that many women in the past let a lot of things go in the last 15 years Click to expand I don't know if he considers it but I certainly don't. Have many performers over the last 30-40 years left a lot of things go? Of course they have but I don't believe that the performers from the 90's to early 2000 were bigger pushovers than their more recent counterpart. The only thing that is different today is social media and while some may love it. I find that it tends to be a huge cesspool of insults and negative comments directed and any and all for no other purposes that to make a splash. Women may not have had social media to use as a weapon against abusers back then but they had agents and their fans who would have gladly eviscerated a producer who mistreated one of their favorite performer. [Link]