I am writing to a long time porn performer, who never got clear information, preview or a good description of a video within over 2 years, getting trouble now, I will quit. On the other side there are good content creator, well-known performer, who get good informations, preview et cetera. The best I knew is Casey Calvert.
Hi, so after 2 years and 3 months on OF with the same 5 porn performer, I am still not 100 % certain or sure, if I talk with the real one or a hired person. You got a lot of personal informations, issues after such a long time. For me I hope to write with the real ones. But recently got doubts in 2 cases. I must add, that i spent a lot, real lot of money, was my decision. So LezFan, a direct question to you, can I ask you personal again about 4 girls I am still writing,chatting, you know them all, of course 1 is Abi. It would be a real pleasure and help for me. Thank you.
Unless you are interacting by video conference with the performer then you really can't be certain that you are speaking to her as opposed to a person administering her account and I would add that you can't even be sure that it's not a guy who is doing the interaction. Now it's possible that if you were interacting with the performer long before she had an OF account and you were pretty sure that it was her than you might be more inclined to believe it's still her base on some of the subjects you talk about but even then it could still be a stranger.
Granted if you are heavily investing cash into that performer then she might be willing to give more of her time but realistically speaking if a performer has only 500 fans all wanting to interact with her on a daily basis than just doing that would take most of her time leaving very little to create new content. Imagine if she has 1000 fans and you can see why it's easier to belive that multiple people handle performers OF account as opposed to the individual performer herself.
^^ My thinking is if you are chatting with the same 4 or 5 performers, for over 2yrs or so you should know if you are talking to the real performer or not. Especially if you are chatting with them alot. You can pick up clues and stuff that will let you know if its them or not. At the same time, these performers have hundreds if not thousands of subs not just on onlyfans but on their other platforms too. It could be that they get lost in the info. For example, I know Im talking to Sinn. She is the only one who runs her account. Even she got mixed up something I told her once before. Its human nature. So a performer cant be pin point on every member. So when they arent pin point we cant assume its not them.
Now I do think we can read way too much into things that will get us to believe it must not be them. If a performer messages you a 2am and is chatting with you back and forth. Does that automatically mean its not them? Nope. Could it be that they cant sleep and just up chatting with their fans on onlyfans? Yes. I know of that happening with Abi since you brought her up. There are many of times Abi legit say she cant sleep and will spend her long night chatting in the DMs with her fans. It comes down to us knowing who we sub to. Yes there are plenty of performers who have services and act like they are getting them all the time when in fact we barely get them if not at all. But then there are plenty of performers like I brought up Sinn and Ill even bring up Lacy Lennon who run their own account. Its them that the sub is talking to. You can convince yourself otherwise but thats on you.
My biggest thing about all of this is that the performer need to let their subs know ahead of time that they have a service and they dont chat in the DMs or they barely chat in the DMs. That way the subs know what to expect. Will it be good for business? Probably not. At least the subs will know when they sign up not to expect to be chatting with performer in the DMs on a regular basis. Which is ok bc as pat362 said, the performer has content to create, bookings to make, probably still shooting mainstream so that takes up alot of their time, and not to mention they still have their normal regular life. So Im personally fine if a performer has a service to do business for them in the DMs as long as the service is good and run the account in a professional manner. Not trying to screw me over with money and having me jump through hoops with getting content. Thats just me.
I don't know, I am after over 2 years unsure, I asked a lot of personal things, get a lot of close answers, which can only know the woman or a few people, especially when the answer is coming in a chat. But I will soon leaving OF completely. I think I am chatting with Adriana Chechik in reality, why ? Just a feeling and a few checks in the course of the time, which can help, also live reactions of her on OF and Twitch...but who ever it is, I am never 100% sure. In 1 case I am sure about it now, not talking with the real girl, or at least only partly. But I do not mention names. All girls are more than 9 years in that biz.
I know that you know those 3,4 girls I am talking about, in 1 case I am sure now, not chatting with the girl for longer, due a special thing that happened, also in the case of Britney Amber, I am sure now, not chatting with her regularly for a lot of reasons now. She knows me, which I can prove on her Twitch live, but...... What I would to know, is what do you think about the 3 other girls, 1 is Adriana, I am quiet sure, 1 is Abigail Mac, also quiet sure, most of the time and no 3, that is the one, I aks you for telling me, exceptionally, here in a DM, please !! I am so confused about her right now, ok, she get a lot of money. Tells me a lot of her private stuff, but I am not sure, she got an assistant, female, I know.
Well, if they say in the FAQ section is that they can't guarantee product delivery after you tip, its basically buyer beware. Unless they have a track record for delivering product, I'd steer clear of blindly tipping. OTOH, it seems like people are complaining about getting ripped off, but they never say who ripped them off so others can avoid the same fate.
^ I feel the same way. Put names of performers out there who is ripping people off. Then also too a bad performer to you might be a great one to me. As I always say, every performer onlyfans isn't for everyone.
That is right, I will quit after more than 2 years 2 performer, I had a sub, just bc, it is different to the time it was before. The remaining girls, I am BTW more or less sure, to chat with the real girls, even all 3 are famous. 2 you could even call "superstars" in the industry today. But it is surely most of the time a money issue. But I agree LezFan, it is different. Weeks ago I got a sub for Jayden Cole, she wrote nice and honest,but AWW it did not worked, so I stopped again, the same was 3 months ago with JuliaAnn.
Not the end of the world but I noticed some girls (or the guys managing their accounts) will sometimes falsely promote clips.
No preview pic or clip shown but will say it has "BBC" and then it turns out it's a scene with a latin guy like Tony Profane who isn't black.
Know one fan who got burned. Took a chance an bought a clip for $10 (told me it was a 20+ minute long clip so not a complete rip off) but was disappointed it wasn't with BBC.
But what stung was literally minutes later the exact same scene was DM'd again but this time mentioning Tony Profane and for $8
Wow...
False advertising, made the fan pay more and clearly whoever was running the account is too lazy to see he already purchased it.
That's another thing that is really bad about OnlyFans. Mass DMs that completely ignore whether or not a user has already purchased specific content. I doubt any of the creators and associates care because they probably hope fans are dumb enough to re-buy things multiple times so the lack of info or preview samples in a way works to their benefit.
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What Have You Done To My Little Cable Boy? 2966 Posts 5/10
Posted - Sep 4 2022 : 11:49AM
Absolutely agree. But I actually don't see it as a sign of the times. Lonely, desperate men crave attention from women. That's as old as the Dallas Cowboys' lack of success....maybe even a little older. And of course, the girls take full advantage of this.
^I agree that this is likely the biggest appeal of OF but not being very knowledgeable about what happens beyond the paywall then my question is. Is the personal connection asignificantly better on OF then let's say Cam sites or even twitter?
What Have You Done To My Little Cable Boy? 2966 Posts 5/10
Posted - Sep 4 2022 : 2:31PM
Must say, I'm not familiar with either of them. From the idea, cam sites should be more personal, because you can see each other (?) or at least chat with each other. And if reviews here are to be believed, there tends to be a delay in communication at OF. Guess with OF it's that it's new and something new always has a charm. Then maybe also that OF is the new home of many former pros and men have been following these girls for years. So now they have the opportunity to show.... "I'm here, I'm your fan, I'll give you my money...give me some attention". As for Twitter - the money gift element is missing there.
But maybe I am overcomplicating this "fetish" a bit because I don't relate to it.
On a woman's forum, I asked the below and got the following responseI don't want to get all MRA, but us men need to be told this: when woman play with us in such a manner, they're not seeing us as a friend, they're actually laughing at us.
most men don't get it and think the OF girls actually cares about them, no she care about the money you bring in, not YOU Just like escorts and cam girls they want to create this "wishful connection" like you're best friend, lover as long as you pay, yet as soon you can't pay, she doesn't care about you Think of this way, how many girls actually really meet these guys in real life? Like a true friendship or relationship outside of the internet? Maybe 1% if that
Seriously? You need to be told you're an idiot? But the problem is, the average idiot is too much of an idiot that they don't realize they're idiots even when they're told "you're an idiot!"
I think the vast majority of men understand the 3-way relationship between them, their money & a sex worker. Idiots maybe, but not unaware of what is happening. On a side note, signed up for a month($12) of Stacy Cruz's onlyfans. I got access to bunch of her videos & photos I have never seen before. There is no additional charge. I will cancel after 1 month. This is a better purchase by me than plenty of the major studio ones I have made in the past. So, onlyfans sucks except when it doesn't.
I'm also a woman and here's my response. Not claiming to speak for all women because we're not a monolith. With all due respect, I don't understand why it should matter how big a star somebody is. If they put the time and effort into creating high quality content you enjoy and conduct their business ethically, it seems to me like that's what's most important. After all, I'm noticing comments on here about people saying they're ripped off by stars. Not saying that every star does this and some have gotten positive feedback, but hopefully you get the point. Perhaps, it's important to consider other criteria too.
In terms of charging money, we're not charging for people to be our friends. We're charging for our time, content, and performances whether live or prerecorded. It's more about compensating for time and performance. If a performer takes the time to create a custom video or another type of video or pictures or do a live show based on your interests, shouldn't you compensate them? Do you do your job for free? If so, how do you get your bills and living expenses paid? Performers might not be able to continually produce content if they're expected to do it for free since this can actually be costing them money and people need to make a living.
There are pages and pages of comments on here so as I said before, I don't do Only Fans. I do live camming so I know something about how this works. The only women who I can imagine seeing customers as idiots are the ones who either don't do our work or just don't do quality work. In terms the ones who actually engage with customers to a reasonable level and put in the time and effort to do excellent shows or produce strong content, I don't see how they perceive their customers in this way (though I cannot speak for everybody). We're not all interested in being pitted against our customers in this way. Instead, another way of looking at it is that customers are compensating us for great content or great shows we take the time to provide so both sides get something out of it.
Now, speaking of making a living, gotta get ready for work...
I haven't quite read through this whole thread yet, but here's 2 questions...
Are there any porn series... pro or pro-am... that have previously sold their vids via traditional websites that now have the same content for sale mirrored on an OF page?
(By "series" I mean something like "Amateur Allure" which is the same basic routine every video, but with a rotating roster of women)
And consider how everyone used to primarily sell online thru their own website with a shopping cart, but now most of the world has standardized on having an Amazon store? Or how people used to put their videos up in their own WP blog, but now have a Youtube channel?
Will there eventually be *one site* that sells the majority of porn, similar to what Amazon has done for everyday goods? And who will it be?
^I suppose it is possible that pro/pro-am studios have an OF account but why would anyone join their OF account when they can already get those studios content through a website?
Amazon is not a good example for your argument because it's basically online retail shopping under one banner. Basically Amazon is to us what the Sears catalog was to our parents (at least mine) in that you can buy just about anything you want.
There is no real world equivalent for what you are looking for but the Gamma owned Adult Time seems to be trying to do that one piece at a time.
P.S: I don't think you will ever have just one porn site that offers all the possible porn already made or being made but I can see a time when the bulk of all porn is owned by 3 companies. In fact Mindgeek and Gamma probably own a huge chunk of all the porn in America.
What Have You Done To My Little Cable Boy? 2966 Posts 5/10
Posted - Sep 16 2022 : 2:19AM
Especially now that the economy is getting tougher, girls will more and more start self-marketing. Mainstream porn isn't what it was 10 years ago either. One studio shoots 3 scenes a month, another releases 5 year old scene from the vault, many are dead. Mainstream porn is no longer the lucrative route for girls.
Fuck me that's a lot of scratch just from selling nudity online. If women can make that much, I wonder what men make (no way it's that much). I'm nothing special but if I could make a few thousand extra a month, hell a few hundred extra a month, I'd start making content. Lol
I never saw the attraction to only fans. There are too many performers I love. I tried during the pandemic to cost me an arm and leg because the girls were charging a lot. Buying DVDs and subscription to Vixen media and Adult time is way better. The quality of the scenes are amazing from both companies. It wasn't a disappointment to me subscribing to Vixen Media and Adult Time if you have the money.
I'm just over here laughing at all the complaints while i'm subbed to like 10 fetish performers who post exclusive and hot stuff. Tell me again why it isn't worth it? Where exactly am I to find that latex and BDSM content I love that I'm supposed to find elsewhere hmm?
I've subbed to 1000s of pages since 2017 but I've finally removed my credit card from the site and I'm done. Do not use this website if you're in search of anything more than badly produced and overpriced content.
If you're seeking companionship then please give cam girls who haven't yet retired to onlyfans your money because I fear camming is not long for this world and why would they bother? There's just too much easy money to be made on onlyfans without expending little to no effort.
I implore any of you who believe yourselves to be really talking to the model or pornstar to test them by offering her money to go live with you or send you a video immediately and without any delay. Do not accept the story that it will take days to be done because it's a custom or whatever. If it still taks days then you're talking to a manager. If they tell you it's 100 dollars a minute then it's not because they are making so much money that they can make such demands but instead it's really a mechanism to deter you from asking them. They don't want you to ask because the only interaction the model has with her page is providing images and videos over whatsapp to her manager. She doesn't know you exist and doesn't care how much money you've spent. These women were lured to the site by these managers because they were sold the lifestyle that they do not need to do more than provide images and videos.
You may get sent audio notes but again, that's the manager asking the model to provide them over whatsapp or sometimes the audio note is from a female manager impersonating the model.
Don't expect onlyfans to punish models who send pirated content from onlyfans. I encountered a Ukrainian creator with over 400k followers on ig who sold me a video for 200 usd that she'd stolen from a pornhub creator. The only reason I managed to get my money back from onlyfans was because I managed to track the video down and informed the original creator. Onlyfans did nothing to discipline the model and her profile still exists to this day. Reminder that this wasn't actually the model but was the behaviour of a manager, so I only use model as a figure of speech.
There are obvious signs to a managed page: online 24x7, responds within minutes or even seconds, constantly refers to you by your name, overuse of emojis (particularly 😈), never does any live streams etc.
The best way to spot an unmanaged page is if the model takes days or weeks or months to reply to you. That's the true experience and the onlyfans experience I was accustomed to prior to 2019 before all the managers descended on the service.
I'm reading people's comments that they're certain they're really talking to their favourite but onlyfans has a feature where notes can be left on each individual chat on their end. They had the same feature on myfreecams so it's not surprising Leo brought it to onlyfans too.
99.999999999% of pages are managed, even the pages with little to no subscribers. Onlyfans is fraud, plain and simple.
Don't know if it's a design flaw or intentional with the hope users will accidentally re-buy things but if you purchase any PPV content they disappear in the purchases tab of messages
If you cancel or let your subscription expire they no longer appear there even if you re-subscribe later. The content is technically still unlocked and you have access to it, but seems dishonest to not restore links in an easy to find area; what's the point of having a purchases section if you can't see your entire history? (new and recent) You either have to scroll and search through weeks or months of DMs to find those original posts you paid/unlocked in the past, or if you're smart you downloaded your own copies.
e.g. Buy a video in a DM in October, cancel in November, re-subscribe in December and that October video no longer appears in your Purchase history; you need to manually find it on your own. Only December videos you bought and onward will be shown. Cancel again and the purchase history will presumably be blank when you re-subscribe
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I've only ever subscribed to OF to see girls I know in real life... which is just a handful. And by "real life" I mean I have actually met them in person, on a real date or hangout (NOT at some convention, or because they are famous, or whatever). Especially if I get to fuck them, I'll subscribe just to support them.
The current girl I'm seeing is 23 and hot af and has an OF. I subscribe.
Otherwise I find OF completely pointless. It's people I'll never meet... just like porn. And there's much better porn out there elsewhere.
With Nikki Benz and CJ Miles doing mainstream scenes for Naughty America and Brazzers i consider a great sign. Nikki is probably one of the top earners on olnlyfans and with her returning might be a sign of things to come.
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Posted - Oct 5 2022 : 1:05PM
Some of these girls also have these "VIP" clubs, where they supposedly send out risque content.
I've joined 2 of these VIP clubs.
1 of them proved fruitful. Since it was a free to sub account, I was subbed to the girl from 2 accounts, one which joined the VIP and one which didn't. The VIP was constantly getting PPV content that was more risque, then what was getting send out to the non-VIP account. But the VIP content was also more expensive. The usual drawbacks with all OnlyFans content still existed though, meaning vague descriptions, splitting up the content into multiple locked PPVs, etc.
The 2nd VIP account I joined was just completely ass. I didn't pay as much to join this one and just overall though, the girl treats it like a 2nd Instagram account, with almost no nudity. In fact, I've even voiced to her that she posts better photos on Instagram than on her OF, that's how bad it is. I guess thirst trap photos that market for Fashionova gets her more money than her OF.
Now another popular pornstar, who's been pregnant and is nearing her due date, just started a VIP Club. By the "sound" or the tone-shift in her posts and messages she sends out these days, I'd even wager that it's not her running it anymore (and i don't blame her, the last stretches of pregnancy is prolly taking a toll on her) But here's the thing: she's charging $250 for the VIP club and for the last couple of days, her feed is just her advertising all these "new" VIP members. 23 posts so far. that comes to $5750 in 3 or 4 days. Here's what I'm wondering though: how many of these are actual members and how many of these are just bot accounts that, whoever is handling her OF, just creating to build up hype for this VIP club. A lot of these girls really thrive off consumers' FOMO, so as an additive to it, they could easily make it seem like all these people are actually joining, when in fact it may just be 1 or 2.
So many tricks you gotta watch out for with this platform, otherwise you'll end up broke.
To be fair those mainstream pornstars peaked more around 2014, 2015 or 2016, the current top mainstream pornstars now are ones like Gianna Dior, Blake Blossom, Emily Willis, etc.
But I do have to say, I don't think OnlyFans is completely terrible. It has its ups, like the fact that you get so many amazing models of all shapes & sizes, plus you get all kinds of content you want, quality may not be perfect but OF is sooo diverse with a huge wide selection of models you want to see, many of these models you just can't find in mainstream porn, but you can find all kinds of models from OF.
But OF also has downs, like PPV's after you already subbed to them, plus you can't download their videos either, so once it expires, then yeah.... You never know what you're going to get before you sub to them so you have to make your decisions wisely. Like others have mentioned, some OF models can go a whole month without updating and that can be frustrating after you subbed to them.
But overall, I've slowly drifted away from mainstream porn the last couple years cuz I've gotten burnt out from it, so I've been following more cam models across different cam sites and OF models lately. Having a mix of both cam models and OF models have satisfied me well, I know some really amazing ones out there who are stunning.
If anything I would like Manyvids more at least you see a few second clips to see if your type of content OF your going in blind sometimes to see some Instagram pics
I started a thread called OnlyFans Recommendations for this reason. It hasn't been nearly as active as this thread, but despite all the complaints, there are definitely some good performers.
Life is short and youth is even shorter. Love lasts forever, but sex is now or never. 11 Posts 10/22
Posted - Oct 19 2022 : 6:59PM
I have an Onlyfans account myself and I've always thought that the "Pay-per-view" model was totally abusive. I do think that it's probably more profitable, but that's just some kind of legal scam. I personally prefer to include all the videos with the premium base subscription. It must be so frustrating to subscribe to an account just to realize that you have to buy every single video you want to purchase.
But the thing is you rarely know what to expect before subscribing. I've heard stories of fans paying extra money for a custom video, and it turned out that the girl was selling them an already filmed video for the price of a custom video. But just like anything, some are honest, some are dishonest. Some people are just low-grade individuals 😄
Yea I'm subscribed to a model I like and thought the subscription fee would cover some content I'd like. But actually I'm seeing pictures I could grab of her social media for free as well. Then she messages me a couple times a day (total bot of course) trying to sell me short video clips for 25$ a piece. Those videos are mostly shorter than 1 minute. Poor quality phone recorded. And sex with another performer forget about it. It's all solo.
It's a useful demonstration, at least, that most problems with the "traditional" porn business weren't due to the studio system or the specific people in charge of it. It's endemic behaviour, and the money is just going to different people with exploitative attitudes now.
Also in my experience, if you know a certain model from professional porn and expect the same sexuality/sex drive you'll be very disappointed. Of course it's all an act but when they shoot solo there's clearly not a male director telling what's good and not. We don't get off by a sultry look in picture. At least I don't. I expect more, not less. Cause I'm paying more.
The scam about it is the private message bot pretending to be her. It's not a person and the videos are not just for you. It's probably sold 1000 times before.
Edited by - Alizee on 10/30/2022 6:05:30 PM
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Posted - Oct 31 2022 : 10:10PM
I don't mind onlyfans but this plague of videos released in portrait format has to go.
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Posted - Oct 31 2022 : 10:42PM
lol finding well-run OFs can be a challenge but they aren't all like that. And customers should be smart.
As far as buying videos, I think 1 dollar per minute is fair, unless the performers are doing something custom or extreme.
Anyone paying to chat should be taken for whatever they can be squeezed for. As silly as our little porn habit ultimately is, paying for likes/attention is probably magnitudes sillier.
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Posted - Aug 24 2022 : 9:46AM
