I don't know that I would say that it's a huge market but it is very popular with those that like that kind of content. I'm also not sure why you need OF to get that kind of content when you have established sources like C4S and Many Vids that do a very good job already. I would add that while amateur porn may be popular. The custom fetish stuff is still limited to a very small portion of porn fans because the cost is so high that most can't afford to buy custom stuff.
That's true though people who are into ordering very specific custom stuff often can't get enough of it so many are very dedicated customers who spend way more than the average consumer.
I personally know one guy who orders multiple customs from a large number of couples consistently and is always on the lookout for new couples to order from.
Whenever I order stuff from couples they always seem to be very busy with customs.
For well-known pornstars the prices go exponentially up sometimes in the low thousands. Well-known male pornstars also charge a minimum of $800.
There's also a studio that does full custom scenes with all of the people from the main talent agencies. I've emailed them about ordering custom scenes and they say they are booked up until November so it seems custom content does a brisk business.
^Thank You. Let me revise my previous post and say that if these are the standard cost for about everyone who does custom clips then this is an even more niche type of content because this is the era when people aren't willing to pay less than 30$ for hundreds/thousands of videos and I seriously doubt they will spends hundreds for just one video that may or may not be badly shot.
The idea of OF is good, direct communication with your favorite star. The problem is that you are likely not even communicating with your favorite star but someone managing their account or some ghostwriter for their DMs. They are selling a fraud in most cases. No preview of bad PPV videos, low video quality then ghostwriters for their DMs. People get mad at OFs simply because it is a scam.
^It is only a scam if the ghostwriter doesn't declare themselves to be a ghostwriter if they're challenged. Likewise, if the performer personally promises communication with herself but a ghostwriter handles communications, it's fraud. If there is transparency on the individual account about there being ghostwriters who reply to messages, there is no scam.
That is the point. I pay a lot of money I am one of those who want to chat, I have tons of movies and also from the girls I am subscribed. In one case the girl shot her last company scene end of 2019. Now she only are shooting with her dude. Always the same, but before she did a lot of anal, GB, DP a lot horny videos, movies, hundreds, so it is hard to give her money for vanila. As an effect, I pay for videos who are boring actually just for chatting, I do not mention the name,but she is in the biz since over 10 years, but there are other girls, for example Adriana Chechik, who got horny stuff, self produced and selling on her site, but that is an exception.
Are they saying that there are ghostwriters? I will say this, the problem the content creators often ask for a person to "DM to start a session with them" Its really ridiculous if you are paying real money to talk to a fake. I can see why people are angry.
Adriana Chechik is in a class to herself though. She goes full speed....all the time. But there is another star who I like who puts out mainly masturbation and twerk videos and I won't pay for those PPV vids. I only join to see some of her candid pics. I dont DM much because I really don t think she is actually answering them herself. Her monthly rate is cheap so it is what it is.
Not every performer admits it but some are open about there being third-party management of replying to DMs. Lexi Lore said she's been propositioned by makeup artists to manage her DMs. There are fellows on Twitter who are open about the fact they manage DMs for other people on Only Fans.
I'm surprised so many people sell themselves this "reality" that they are always paying to talk to a performer. When a performer has thousands of subscribers, interacting with even a single digit percentage of them would be challenging to put it mildly so I would expect a large number of performers to have ghostwriters handle at least some of their DMs. I can see why some people are angry when reality disappoints their fantasy.
Of all the interactions I've had on OF I can say with confidence that three were with the actual model themselves. Most dm's felt like impersonal autoreplies while others were obviously bots. I think any OF user has to temper their expectations with what the level of personal contact is truly going to be, quite honestly unless you're on a video chat with someone you should just accept the fact that you're talking to a manager or some kind of mgmt system. I personally don't have a problem with that, I'd be deluding myself to think that Emma Hix or Riley Reid is sitting a keyboard somewhere at 3am frittering away their time with random OF dm's. The three models I brought up were not well known by most people and when they delivered the content request their presence in the video matched the tone of the dm's, if that makes sense.
The sad thing is that most of the more well known models I've reached out to are managed so poorly it killed any actual potential for paid content and resulted in a stopped sub and restriction on their acct.
^ I agree with a lot of what you said. Expectations should be managed in terms of interaction when an account has a large number of subscribers, it's not unreasonable to think she's probably not going to have much time for you unless you pay some seriously big bucks. When it actually is her, bloody brilliant!
I've had similar experiences with badly managed accounts. Despite having asked one account for a specific video they advertised on Twitter, the bot/third party manager kept pushing content I had no interest in buying instead of actually providing the content I wanted that cost a little more than the unwanted content they pushed. It was as if the bot/manager didn't want my money so I didn't waste my time renewing the trial subscription I had.
I hear you when you say that some performers let you know up front that they have ghostwriters, but let's be real that is a very very small minority that do that. The reality is that they are selling the illusion that you are actually texting and interacting with the star which is the ENTIRE premise of OFs. Fans who want to pay for influencer or pornstar engagement. When in reality it is more on par with the old Mickey Mouse club where you think you are actually writing letters to Mickey Mouse when really he is a fictional character and some tech is replying. But a pornstar isn t a fictional cartoon character, she is an actress using an alias but is a living breathing human being who can physically type and text........ but if we are to expect that same energy as the Mickey Mouse club, then the entire premise of OFs must be called out for being fraudulent. No excuses, it is what it is. it isIt is what it is.
Edited by - silentscope11 on 7/17/2021 12:06:50 PM
Edited by - silentscope11 on 7/17/2021 12:08:19 PM
A pornstar isn't a fictional cartoon character but they are a fictional persona. That fictional persona (albeit somewhat based on the real person) involves them being constantly horny and salacious so as to monetize their services better. Letters to Mickey Mouse were written by real people as well back in the day.
Despite your use of capitals, interacting is not the entire premise; it is part of the premise. Making money is part of the premise also.
Where specifically is third-party management forbidden? I think nemmy94 was spot on in saying some people should temper their expectations. The use of third parties to reply to paying customers has been done for decades. The only difference is that OnlyFans is a digital format.
Where I agree that users need to tamper expectations, your argument begins to veer when you say things like "interacting is not the entire premise its part of the premise. Making money is part of the premise also" However the money is being paid to interact. If we are interacting with Jimmie up the street who is claiming to be your favorite pornstar then there is a huge issue with that. Yes, third party sites were involved with those 1-900 numbers also where you call in to talk to some "beautiful woman" most of the time it wasn't even a woman.
But having a "pornstar" say "DM me and make sure you tip me so you go to the top of my list for us to chat." And it is purposely Jimmie up the street, then the fan is doing their part with the money but the Influencer is cheating on their part with the interaction. Not sure where I am wrong about this basic premise.
Unless you are saying we should give XYZ pornstar a pass with not answering the message you paid for simply because she now has too many followers to get back to you and I should still give HER my money while SHE lets me talk to Jimmie. I do my part and Jimmie does her part.
That's your experience and with your experience, you have set expectations with it.
I had paid money for content, never for the interaction because I had set no expectation that out of hundreds or possibly thousands of subscribers, I would be engaging directly with the performer.
If I receive a DM from the performer's account to tip for XYZ, I assume it's not uniquely for me and "just" a template sent to every subscriber or at least a targeted subscriber demographic such as those with auto-rebilling enabled.
I'm not saying a free pass should be given nor am I saying third-party management is right. I'm suggesting awareness on your part should be exercised. Porn and sex work are considered to be a vice and with such things, customers are often the first to be taken advantage of.
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I have a favorite star at OF whom I have been collecting the DVDs of. She is definitely a major star, since 2004, but not necessarily known to most porn lovers. She is over 35 and has about 500 fans at OF. She says she has 8 regulars who request custom videos. I occasionally ask for a custom video from her. She texts me at OF to say when she is available. I ask her to wear a certain outfit and use a certain type of lighting. She has often submitted pics or a short clip of herself replying about the specifics of the requested custom. This is clearly one on one.
Her free account is clearly managed by someone else, because the tone of "her" messages during a difference of opinion is harsh compared to what is in the pay account. She is non-confrontational and very good-natured. You might think it would be the other way around, that she is nice in the free account but not so nice once you really get to know her in the pay account. i think whoever is really messaging in the free account could be driving away customers with the attitude thing going.
I was also an OF sub to Kelly Divine and got no answer to DMs from "her" the whole month, except for a probably automated welcome to my OF after I subbed. In fact, I have never received a DM from "her" at any of her sites.
I believe it is individual a lot of stars when they are not available do not turn their notifications light on. Some keep it on 24/7 and you know that is not realistic.
I simply don t buy into the idea that XYZ star is so big that they have too many members to logistically respond to their subs....so they hire Jimmie up the street to ghostwrite for them.
Starbucks ran out of green tea last week, that doesn t give them the right to charge me for a green tea then give me a cup of water with a green tea label on it.
It is simple supply and demand if you can t keep up with the demand then you cant defraud me out of my money for the interaction experience simply to keep the money rolling in.
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That is my experience as well, regarding availability.
My favorite star is available on and off, but Kelly Divine, who never answered, was supposedly always available.
I don't know if you actually tried to make such a bad comparison. Starbucks is a company that lives and dies on its brand and product. If the product is unavailable, the barista tells you it is unavailable. That's the real world. A barista pulling tricks would be looking for a new job. A content creator on OnlyFans doesn't lose their job unless you can prove they had violated the terms of service.
The product a performer offers me on OF is their video and photo content. Whether it's through the performer or her "Jimmie", I have got the product I paid for for the most part. I have been offered other content by piss-poorly managed accounts that ignored my requests to buy advertised content so I took my business elsewhere. In my view, OF's biggest problem is the lack of transparency in the paywalls. Only so many accounts actually make the effort of previews and give a reasonably detailed synopsis of the content. I often see OF as the pornographic equivalent of a loot box and that's not meant to be flattering.
I don't know where you got the impression anyone said someone has the right to "defraud" you. Mindfulness and vigilance aren't things you should avoid. There's what people shouldn't do then there's what people actually do, i.e. the real world, hence why I said awareness should be exercised.
I simply don't buy into the appeal to emotion in saying you've been defrauded as you haven't shown where OnlyFans states fan interaction can't be done by a representative of the content creator.
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Agreed. I asked my favorite star at OF to add previews to her pay clips after I saw previews offered by another content creator. She agreed to do this and continues to do so. I don't think she knew about being able to offer previews.
Another thing that really gets me is when you think a model with a certain name is at OF and you find the name at OF, but her OF page doesn't even show her face, so you can't be sure it is her.
I have been seeing a lot of people say that only fans are going to cut out the porn stuff in order to gain more investments and have people like mainstream celebs join who would not normally join because of all the porn. Anyone else hear this stuff, it's all over youtube.
Anyone selling anything lives and dies on their brand and product. Not even remotely understanding the logic of this statement.That is what a performer offers you, but that doesn't negate the fact that DMs are also bought and sold as a "product" on OFs.I agree, it is the responsibility of the fan to be aware of getting taken advantaged of...but does that absolve the content creator from actually selling what they are advertising? If she says "DM ME so that WE can chat" if Her and I aren't chatting she is not selling what she is advertising.The better statement is where does onlyfans say that interaction can be done by a representative of the content creator? Because if that is stated then I have no argument. But as it stands the content creator is telling me to pay in order to interact through DMs with them so that WE can chat. If that is not happening it is false advertising AKA fraud. That is the definition not emotion at all.
Edited by - silentscope11 on 7/17/2021 11:42:29 PM
^ Were you under the impression that tossing someone a $10/mo sub would grant you access to chat with them and/or what were you expecting when you replied (assuming you replied) to a dm with a $10 tip to chat?
I've been where you are so I know that the word 'chat' has a lot of implications, some obvious but others more subtle, so I'm genuinely asking how you thought it would play out.
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I looked this up recently, and onlyfans says that it is not planning to end the porn, but that it wishes to more strongly promote the "mainstream" products so that the site itself will get a more positive reputation and generate more business.
For me, no because logistically it is not possible.
Follow up question to you. If she is asking you to chat with her for a tip and she is taking your money and purposely not chatting with you, then what is she selling and what am I paying for?
Fair question.
Edited by - silentscope11 on 7/18/2021 12:21:27 AM
Short answer: If an OF model says drop me $10 to chat I'll expect "her" to reply.
TL;DR answer: The issue I'm seeing is that saying "we'll chat" can mean one thing to you and one thing to the model. There's no way to say if she typed out the reply, if she copied and pasted a reply, or if our arch-enemy Jimmy did it for her so we have to put that part aside. In more concrete terms, if you got a reply, then technically you did chat with her - "her" being a reply from the account. It's a shady way to do things - sure, no argument there - but there is almost no way to actually prove whom it was that replied. As I mentioned a post above, unless you're on Skype or other video chat you have to assume it isn't actually her, otherwise you're setting yourself up for disappointment and how would you otherwise confirm it really is her without video evidence? Further - "we'll chat" doesn't say she's going to sit there for an hour giving you personal attention or replies - surely we'd all/both like to think that it does, but a model that charges $100/min for vids isn't going to chill and get to know a fan because they tossed her a ten-spot.
Geralt of Rivia isn't going to just sit around and bullshit with you because you tossed him a coin... Paige Owens won't either. :)
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Could be. Maybe another ebay-style cleanse. First PornHub, then xhamster, then ebay. Next . . .
As far as experiences with different levels of good and bad OF models, here's two recent examples. I've found it to be a best practice to send an initial dm when I join - those always get a fast reply, followed by a tipped dm asking for whatever custom content I'm looking for with vague instructions (this is how I weed out the legit accts), and then play it by ear based on the response.
I did this with one popular pornstar - we all know her name but she isn't very active anymore - and I got a dm trying to sell JOI vids with her moaning my name. I replied that I have zero need for that and resent the softcore custom request (this time with no tip) and got the same stupid copy-paste offer for something I just said I wasn't interested in. I thanked her for her time, wished her the best, and flat out told her I'd pay her more than what she was asking for the custom vid I requested... and I got a dm still trying to sell me a JOI vid but now for half cost. At this point I unsubbed and waited a few days to see if I could get a legit followup, when none came I put a restriction on her acct and went about my merry way. I would have loved to have her make the video I was looking for but whomever is running that part of the account was too stupid to actually read the dm's - instant red flag.
Yet another OF account had a sub and then a one-time payment for VIP status - total red flag. I did the same intro and paid dm thing with her - she's a softcore artsy model from the EU - and "she" flat out said she'd do customs but only for her VIP's. I ponied up the cash and spent around a half hour chatting back and forth eventually getting the custom info over to her so she could film it. I was eager to believe it was really her and yet I was wary but when I got the video she also sent a bunch of pics and added a personal message at the beginning that pretty much confirmed it was really her. We chat - without using tipped dm's - a couple times a month and when I stopped replying during my recovery from a surgery - she asked if I was okay, why wasn't I on much anymore, etc... without trying to sell anything. When I told her what was up she sent a cute selfie and a short get-well video, without being asked and without charging anything. I have zero doubts about her anymore and she instantly redeemed every bad OF interaction I've had with those few acts of kindness to a fan.
Those two examples are the extreme good and bad that I've encountered with OF. There are plenty of others in the mix and I'd love to be able to put names with the stories but I doubt forum mgmt would allow that for obvious reasons.
Edited by - nemmy94 on 7/18/2021 1:36:17 AM
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^ Thanks for the detailed reply. So many comments on the Internet are generalities with no specifics.
With regard to naming names, you don't need to of course, but there are plenty of posts here at ADT telling us to avoid certain named models at onlyfans.
Especially in terms of custom videos.
I don't know if management has changed the rules of etiquette.
Of course you don't but the porn performer is still running their account despite your allegations of fraud. Other industries or individuals aren't so fortunate when they're accused of impropriety whether it's bad PR or a loss of business.I didn't make any statements of absolution. The best defence is vigilance and probably a mild dose of skepticism.The statement is "better" merely because it fits your narrative more conveniently. However if we play along with your narrative and go by what can or must be done instead of (cannot or must not), creators are obliged to tag other creators or have proof of identity for people other than themselves appearing in their content. As this rule is quite explicit, I would expect the disclosure of third-party representation to be equally explicit if OF had a specific rule for or against it. I infer that the absence of such a rule means there is either no obligation to disclose such representation or it's not even on the minds of those running OF. The appeal to emotion is you playing victim and denying your victimhood would undermine your argument despite the lack of awareness and vigilance.
What you just wrote has absolutely nothing to do with the statement I responded to. "Starbucks lives and dies on their brand and product." Anyone that sells anything including a porn performer lives and dies on their brand and product. Simply saying "Of course you don't [understand] does not explain your position. It is simply you holding on to some random "knowledge" that you alone decided on about the topic that you wont or cant explain. Not sure what is going on with this comment cause it is not out in left field, it is actually in the left field stands.If you are saying "best defense" then are you saying that the onus is more on the fan to not be duped, than the content creator to not try to dupe the fan?
If so then I don t see how the argument is more "Well you just were too stupid to not be tricked" vs "You scammed your clients." It should be equal meaning fan be vigilant and content creator don't scam.
Yeah I think we are still going off of your narrative of what cannot and must not be done.Now if this isn't the biggest reach in the history of reaches to try and prove a point I don t know what is. The rule that another CONTENT CREATOR be identified if they appear in the content means that we should now INFER that OF would want a THIRD PARTY be identified that appears in the "content" (if we are calling "content" a reply in the DM....again a reach) even if I did play along that is not what that rule is saying at all because a content creator and a third party are two different entities. One has an actual page that another person can subscribe to and the other is the unseen "hidden hand".Again, we are still going off of your narrative of the rule not being there or explicitly stated. So if I buy a car online and skip the test drive and don't look under the hood, after it gets delivered, if it has no engine then its simply "Hey they never said they were selling the car with the engine, right?" "Stop being emotional about it. You should of been more aware and vigilant."
Yes fans should tamper their expectations. Yes fans should be aware and vigilant but give that same energy to the content creator and the company, because they equally have a responsibility to put out the product they are advertising.
What I am saying is be consistent. You would like to see more transparency in the videos and paywalls because that is the part that you buy. But consistency is transparency in the entire product that they collect money on, which includes DMs. And saying "well they didn't state that they couldn't use a third party" is not transparency, that is hidden BS that is not even in the fine print.
In all honesty I don't disagree with this statement. Because you cannot prove any of this. If this wasn't porn, which is a seedy industry and if it was another industry (e.g. meat processing) you would have "regulators" who would go and check to "prove" that the product being advertised is actually being sold. But all in all what you are saying is correct how would you know anyway about some OFs DM?
I think most people think they can pay $4.99 or even $10.99 and everything opens up for them to an OF account. It doesnt work that way. You pay to get in and then you pay more to "play". Lets face it, I truly believe most people who complain about OF are cheap. How do I know? Because you have so many trolls especially on twitter who make it known that why do you pay for OF when you can get videos for free on other sites? And I tell them because I want to support those who work hard to produce good content. This notion that the content on OF isnt good has gone too far. These performers have the technology and the access to produce quality scenes just like a studio does. Hell alot of them have directing skills like Casey Calvert, Whitney Wright, Lena Paul, Joanna Angel and so many more. Those who dont they still have connections with directors like Mike Quasar who shoot scenes for them. So you cant tell me the quality of the content arent good. The thing is spending the money. You have to pay to play sometimes and speaking from personal experiences, if you are loyal and respectful the performer will work with you if you dont have tons of cash but you do want to get content at specific times. Many performers dont have set prices for their content so they will set a price then actually come down if you are patient. They give discounts, bundles, etc...
The only issues anyone could possibly have is customs because they are expensive and its rare performers have discounts on them plus I do see performers now doing custom raffles. OF support frustrates me personally because they are there but they dont help solve situations. Ive had to go to them four times in over a year and I felt like it was a waste of time each time. Compared to manyvids support which Ive had to go to twice within the same span and theyve helped me solve both my situations perfectly. Then the other would be chatting in the dms. If you are that person to believe every performer you talk to in the dm is not the real performer then I cant help you. I know for a fact thats not the case. Just because one or two OF accounts are like that doesnt mean every OF account is like that. You cant just assume because the performer replied back quickly that automatically means the person isnt the real performer you are directly talking too. Then of course you have to pay to play in regards to chatting. These performers have 100s upon 100s of dms to get too amongst other things so you have to make them make you a top priority and not just assume because you paid $4.99 to sub that they should dm you right away. It takes time and obviously money. And again if you are respectful and they know that you are loyal they will work with you. Again speaking from experience I talk to this performer often on OF. The most Ive done with anyone because when it comes to dms I really dont chat much with anyone. I dont think Ive ever tipped this performer once but Ive tipped her everytime Im in her live show, I constantly buy vids from her from her clips store. So she knows I support her in that regards. She never ask for tips and never look at me and feel like I should give her tips for her time. We have a great vibe and we chat about everything. Sometimes it takes her days even a week or so to get back with me. Sometimes we go back and forth for awhile in a day. It makes me have even more of an appreciation for OF tbh.
Yes there are alot of cons to OF but there are alot of pros to it. It just annoys me to only see people highlight all of the cons and act like there is no pros about it when there clearly are. I can name off top at least 10 performers that OF is worth getting but not every OF account is for everyone. Someone that I might love someone else might not care for. Thats totally understandable too. When you do find that one OF account that you are like this is easily for you then you will honestly have a whole new perspective about it. I was once that guy who said I wouldnt join OF. Not because I heard bad things about it but because I truly didnt know what it was about and didnt want to go down a road I wasnt familiar with. But then I joined a free account and even in the beginning I had a bad experience but I found some great accounts and I started to get used to how things operated and it went from me thinking it was bad to now I shouldve joined sooner.
I guess that went right over your head. My point was that an explicit rule is in place for adult verification because it matters to the site as there's a legal requirement. I assume that because the disclosure of third parties isn't covered, it's not a concern for the site. If they had a serious concern about fraud by third party representation, do you not think they'd have made a rule for it?Nice try but almost every car I bought came with an actual engine specification on the paperwork whether I bought the car online or from a private seller or from a dealer so it was always explicitly stated.
The exception was where I knowingly bought a car without an engine as I bought it for parts.
2/10 for the effort.
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Thank you so much LezFan. You represent a Voice of Experience.
The reason why people who pay $4.99, $10,99 or significantly more for access to an OF account expect to get access to everything is because that is the way things normally work in business. The vendor puts a price on the product he/she is selling and the purchaser then chooses whether he/she is willing to pay that amount. If I go to a restaurant and they advertise a 12oz steak for 5$ on their menu. The last thing I expect once I order that steak is for them to serve me just the bake potato and expect me to pay 30$ for the actual steak. If the restaurant advertised a 12oz steak for 35$ then I would be able to decide whether I want to pay that kind of money and the same goes for OF. If the models have various price points with a list of what the user gets access to then everyone would be happy as they would know prior to joining what their money gets them/.Aside from the obvious problem that you must pay to find out whether the content is good. I doubt access to technology is the problem with the quality of the content because even modern smartphones have excellent cameras. Whether the model knows how to use it properly is up for debate but what isn't up for debate is that hiring another person to shoot the video cost money. The camera operator will expect to be paid for shooting the a video and that's where I think your argument fails because I'm not sure most performers want or can afford to pay a professional to shoot their videos.Don't you think it's normal for people to complain about the bad stuff? Especially when the bad stuff is primarily things that could be easily fixed with a few tweaks. You do realize that saying that you can think of at least 10 performers OF account to be worth getting isn't such a small amount that it's barely a drop in the bucket of possible performers account that aren't. Worse you still have to join those OF account to find out whether it was worth joining.
MOD: Angry Pirate, you were just talked to in another thread for arguing purely for the sake of arguing. And I know you received another warning in the past for the same thing. This is your last chance. Shape up.
Or how about someone just ask. First a person would sub to someone they are a fan of. Its no different than a football fan spending his/her Sunday turning on the football game to root for their team. Some teams are horrific and been that way for decades but that fan short for fanatic will still spend 3+ hrs HOPING maybe the team might play well enough to win or at least be competitive. Whether it be going to the game spending a good amount of money OR not going to the game but watching it at home or in a sports bar still spending some money for snacks and gear and other stuff. So if a fan again short for fanatic sign up for a model onlyfans thats just them showing their fandom. Then if that person is smart they would ask the model about pricing and stuff. Maybe its just me but one day I asked Abigail her price methods and guess what? She told me lol. Some models you dont have to ask because they have a menu. Models like AJ Applegate, well before she changed how she ran her account so now she upped her sub price but everything is unlocked on her paywall. Casey Calvert has a menu. Jade Baker has a menu. Mary Moody has a menu. Kenzie Reeves from what I heard has a menu. Then of course some girls have no locked messages. Everything is unlocked on their paywall. So all you have to do is ask the model or just ask anyone who has experience with that account. Before I joined the likes of Casey and Gia Paige onlyfans I kept hearing from others how great it was. Its not rocket science. Not saying its hard to not get fooled sometimes because I can see a scenario where you do join an onlyfans thinking its great from everything you hear, then you join and you even ask the model and things dont go well for you with that model. That goes to what I was saying that every onlyfans account isnt for everyone. What you might love I might not love and vice versa.
There are those models and/or times where yes you dont get to see how good content is until you pay. No previews or anything on the page. But more times than not thats not always the case. I cant tell you have many times Ive seen models advertise content on twitter and even on their homepage on their onlyfans. You dont need to get a set preview of the video. You mean to tell me if you follow lets just say Abigail Mac and Cherie DeVille and both have a scene together that at least one of them dont have a trailer for that video? Maybe thats just me and so many people just live in a tunnel and see only one thing. Its rare as that I come away with no clue of a video Im getting. Normally if that happens its an old video from like a year or so ago that they had and I wasnt around and they just randomly sent it to the dms to try to sell again to those who are new. Other than that typically you have a chance to see a preview so you can tell the quality of the video. And no my argument doesnt fail because I know for certain Kenna James hired Mike Quasar to shoot some of her scenes in particular two scenes that Ive seen with her and Ryan Keely. Im certain Julia Ann had Mike Quasar shoot some of her recent scenes since they are super close. Not to mention Alan X has shot SheSeducedMe scenes for the likes of Whitney Wright, Karlee Grey, Jill Kassidy, Cherie DeVille, and Ember Snow that all was sold on those models particular onlyfans first and foremost. So I know what Im talking about.
I do agree that yes the bad stuff need to be talked about. The thing I was pointing out was when Im only hearing about the bad stuff thats the issue. Then its the dread that when a model decides to stop shooting mainstream all of a sudden people act like that model is just done and her still shooting quality content on her OF doesnt exist. I dont know about you or anyone else but Im still enjoying Kristen Scott content and they havent shot mainstream in awhile. So people can keep being sad and/or upset when a model chooses to fully focus on their own platform and get away from mainstream but Im going to continue to enjoy their content on their onlyfans. Doesnt bother me much outside of yes they wont be shooting for my favorite studios anymore but the plus would be they are still shooting and there is a great chance they will shoot with other models that Ive always wanted them to shoot with but studios never made the smart decision to make those pairings happen. I do agree there are so many onlyfans accounts that 10 is barely anything. Although I do have great experience with tons and tons of models. Like seriously my list is really really really really long lol. Heck I should be the one to make an article about onlyfans because Ive have my experiences both good and bad but my overall conclusion is onlyfans is not what I keep hearing it to be.
Thank you for saying I represent the voice of experience. Id definitely like to think of myself as experience when it comes to onlyfans for the amount of models Ive subbed too. Ive pretty much done everything other than sending dick pics for ratings, skype, and sexting because thats not my thing. Everything else Ive done. Ive got multiple customs both video and picture set, sent tips to chat, tipped posts, and Ive even tipped $100 once during a live show. I normally though just get G/G or trans vids though. I rarely chat unless its with a few models that I feel the vibe is good or that I more comfortable with. Its just for me I sub to onlyfans to have fun and meet what Im expecting. Im expecting first and foremost to get some good G/G content. So if I see for example, Lena Paul shot with Ivy Lebelle Im immediately jumping on it. I now have to think, how bad do I want it? If I want it bad enough Ill ask Lena and she will more than likely say send $50 and I will. Its not like Im blind. At least one if not both women advertise it on twitter and/or their onlyfans. I know how its going to look. Regardless though I know its Lena and Ivy and Im always down for them together so if I want it bad enough Ill send Lena $50. If Im willing to wait I would and Lena and/or Ivy will send it to the DMs for like $19.99 or somewhere around that range and Ill get it then. So thats my approach really with every onlyfans is to get some good G/G content and then trans if the model is a trans or shoots with trans. After that its just getting to know the model beyond just them in scenes. I do enjoy that. If it cost extra to do so then its worth it. For me its like going to New Orleans in 2014 to Wrestlemania 30 and then Raw the next night. I spent in total for a 2-3 day stay $500 but it was totally worth it just from the experience and the bonus was hanging with my best friends that Ive known for 10+yrs. Sure I couldve saved all that money stayed at home and watched Wrestlemania like Ive done as long as I can remember growing up being a huge wrestling fan. That still didnt do any justice of witnessing Wrestlemania live and all that went into it. Id say it was worth every penny plus probably more lol. But again thats just what I expected. Everyone expects differently so I cant knock anyone else but Im just saying when there are those who bash onlyfans and probably those same people either never joined onlyfans or only had one or maybe two subs then quit and now saying how terrible it is Im like thats not enough to make a serious claim that onlyfans is this terrible site. Probably just blindly sub to the wrong onlyfans accounts when they are so many great ones out there that you automatically wont give a shot because now your perception is bad for the entire site.
Edited by - LezFan on 7/18/2021 7:09:55 PM
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Posted - Jul 18 2021 : 10:40PM
You're welcome, LezFan.
Anyone can have an opinion, but statistically its value tends to increase with sample size.
Your large sample size makes it an informed opinion, and also makes it more likely a Fact.
With an informed opinion as our guide, each of us is likely to navigate our way more successfully.
^ You are right about sample size. The one thing Im proud I never did was when I wasnt on onlyfans I never went public to talk about how bad it was. When I joined onlyfans and I was new and had some bad experiences. Mainly because I was just learning how things operate. I still never went public talking about how bad it was. To me its unfair to those who have great onlyfans and work so hard to continue to make it great. Thats what gets lost in all of this is the models who do work hard to produce a great onlyfans. When I see someone like Adriana who says she is going live for this epic anal stream and she has been prepping all day then when she tries to stream its acting up so she pushes it back another hour and its still not working so then she says she will do the stream the next day and then she does it. When I see is most recently Violet Myers say she is coming back from Exxxotica and she has to respond to 800+ dms on her onlyfans. Like thats alot of work that these models have to put in but they do it for the fans and I dont believe most of them cheat the fans.
When I hear people bash onlyfans when there are legit models pouring their heart and soul into it to make it a great experience for the fans its like why? Just because you ran into a few bad accounts and really didnt even bother asking around if those accounts were any good? Its funny too because I hear about some bad accounts that people experience and the first thing I say is, Ive never sub to those accounts? You want to know why? Because when I ask around I dont hear others mentioning that I should check those accounts out because they are worth trying. Now with saying that sometimes you do have to experience things for yourself and Ive certain done that with some accounts but the good definitely has outweighed the bad with me. Call me just fortunate I dont have the dreaded, I got ripped off hundreds of dollars on a custom story. Or that some model gave me the run around after I gave her a ton of money story. I feel bad for those who experienced that and yes you go through that I dont blame you for feeling some type of way about onlyfans. Again dont make onlyfans as a whole seem bad. Make that model who ripped you off seem bad. Not everyone is like that. Not every model is money hungry. Not every model is rude. Ive literally seen in live shows where Adriana and Gia Derza literally was getting emotional almost to tears just saying how much they appreciate and love the fans for continuing to support them. Abigail gush over how much she loves the her fans and then they are the coolest when she is on her live. Same with Whitney Wright, Lacy Lennon and Sinn Sage. Now some might say well they are just saying those things for the fans to hear. I doubt it. They dont have to say those things at least in live shows. They could just send some post out and that be that. You can sincerely see it on their face and hear it from their voice that they really care and not trying to take advantage of their fans. Cant speak for every model Im just talking about mainly the ones Ive been fortunate to have followed.
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