The last few pages really show why I really love threads like this and think they are important. Some think there are simply too many threads like this, but the last few pages kind of show me why I think there can almost never be enough of them. Racism can take on many forms, some blatant, most subtle IMO. And like someone on here recently said, a preference simply isn't always the same. And yet it's usually the #1 excuse to hide behind. Can't get to the truth or someone's idea of the truth, without talking about it though.
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Posted - Oct 19 2009 : 3:17AM
Oh so now the United States Justice Department is racist? Good grief. There's just no reasoning with these conspiracy theorists.
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Posted - Oct 19 2009 : 3:36AM
Not really, but as many have already said those who cite such statistics have an anti-black agenda. Now from the same data you decided to bring up we see that such crimes are overwhelmingly "intra-racial" and committed by someone the person knows. Now this information you neglected to mention for obvious reasons. Namely it doesn't serve your agenda.
Edited by - Zaer on 10/19/2009 3:37:03 AM
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Posted - Oct 19 2009 : 3:45AM
Pokerman, you were right! Edited by - tobias on 10/19/2009 3:52:31 AM
I might be a little late but I just wanted to note that this is a fantastic post. Carry on.
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Posted - Oct 19 2009 : 8:14AM
first off, yes , these kind of stats you will find everywhere on stormfront and other nazi forums so tobias has exposed himself for what he truly is and his thread no longer needs to be taken seriously and now the table table 42 Number of Not known Type of crime single-offender and not and race of victim victimizations Total White Black Other available Rape/Sexual assault/a White only 194,270 100.0 % 50.6 16.7 * 15.5 * 17.2 * which means from all white women raped, 50.6 % were raped by white men and 16 % were raped by black men 15.5 % by other and 17.2 % not known or not available, black men are about 13 % of the male population, i don't see anything disproportionate there. anyway why is tobias so rape-minded i wouldn't be surprised if he was a rapist himself , all he talks about is rape, rape seems to be the only thing on his mind
Edited by - braziliandude on 10/19/2009 8:43:50 AM
I gotta say, I can't even imagine why Tobias would want to bring up something like that. I mean, what the fuck did that have to do with anything? Of all the shit being discussed in this thread, when on Earth did black males raping white women even come into the discussion? This is a discussion about porn. I mean I guess maybe we could have predicted a certain affinity Tobias might have for discussing rape, given the thread title... but what the fuck Tobias? The latest piece of the thread has been discussing reasons porn girls give for not doing IR (given by a porn girl), and whether or not refusing to do IR is akin to refusing to do gay porn. And then you come in with this? You must be crazy. I said after your OP that things were going to get ugly, but truly that was not nearly as bad a start as what you've just done here. Tobias, it's not about whether the statistics from the justice department are accurate or not. It's about why you would want to mention that here. At this point. In this thread.
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Posted - Oct 19 2009 : 12:13PM
My reason for discussing rape is that some folks have taken snipes at the title of the thread. So, curious why that was the case, I did a Google search using the terms "interracial rape black white." The second Google listing was the following Yahoo question and answer exchange: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090828211830AAZHBM2 Not exactly enlightening, this exchange none the less led me to plumb further, resulting in me stumbling across the 2006 Department of Justice report. Now, a psychologist would say that rape is a crime of power - That plain and simply, it's a man exerting power over a woman. But, given the level of disagreement in this thread (with many male posters taking extremely misogynistic stances), I wondered whether there is a racial or cultural divide regarding all forms of sex - whether consenting or nonconsenting. The DOJ report would suggest this to be the case. So, my reasoning for posting the link to the report was to extend the discussion to the questions "Do blacks and whites view interracial sex differently?" and - more importantly - "Is there an unspoken sense of entitlement to interracial sex among black males?" You can call these questions preposterous if you will. You can label me as a racist if you desire. But, I think these are significant questions that may very well cut to the heart of this entire interracial issue. Rather than focusing solely on a white woman's refusal to have interracial sex, perhaps we need also focus on a black man's desire to have interracial sex. If even addressing these questions isn't possible, then how in the hell can we say that we're even trying to make progress in racial and gender relations in this country?
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Minha Vaidade me deixou cansado 351 Posts 8/09
Posted - Oct 19 2009 : 12:44PM
^ the more you talk the stupider you sound, seriously, that has NOTHING to do with porn, if you want to discuss rape try a rape forum,i'm sure you'll find tons of sickos like you there who will love to hear your nonsense, no one here is in the mood to discuss rape, this is a PORN forum not a rape forum [mod edit: quote removed] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 10/19/2009 1:25:30 PM
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Minha Vaidade me deixou cansado 351 Posts 8/09
Posted - Oct 19 2009 : 12:51PM
either a rape forum or stormfront, black on white rape one of the favorite topics on nazi boards, anything but a porn forum, this is hardly the place. Edited by - braziliandude on 10/19/2009 12:52:59 PM
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Posted - Oct 19 2009 : 12:55PM
You and your butt buddy Nimrod have been drooling and slobbering over this thread forever, and now it is coming back to bite your fat ass. There are legitimate statistics available that will make you a fool, so post on!
Uhm, because it's off-topic like the whole rape shit discussion?
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Minha Vaidade me deixou cansado 351 Posts 8/09
Posted - Oct 19 2009 : 1:05PM
while you're at it throw in the fact that 80% of all pedophiles are white, i could post some , stats too, but the question still stands, what does dodging have to do that?
That's why so many white porn girls don't want to do IR. They're trying to cater to the pedophile crowd (that's why they pretend to be young girls) and since a great majority of pedophiles are white, they know that they have to do white guys to maintain that market. Pedophiles control the porn industry. I figured it out. Well, it's either that, or the fact that all porn girls secretly want to be murdered, and they know that serial killers are mostly white and thus more likely to be watching porn with white guys, and so the girls figure they only have a chance to be 'discovered' by serial killers if they stick to doing white guys on camera. Cuz, you know, they wanna die ASAP.
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Posted - Oct 19 2009 : 1:29PM
At least this thread has people talking. One out of every fourteen reads results in a post. That's an extremely high ratio.
i think a lot of you see racism any where and every where even when none exists for whatever reason..i dont understand why someone cant just say i dont want to fuck a black guy on camera and be done with it..i dont see why some of you feel the need to keep pressuring and harping on someone because THEY HAVE A CHOICE OF WHO THEY WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH!!! and that what it boils down to..PERSONAL CHOICE!!!
let me add before anyone gets in ti their heads that im a racist..i like interracial porn better than any other..but i believe that if a girl doesnt want to work with a black guy or a white guy or an asian guy or what ever thats her choice and she shouldnt be HOUNDED AND OSTRACIZED for personal choice... then again i think more than a few of you are drama whores who have nothing better to do...
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Posted - Oct 19 2009 : 1:37PM
Al Sharpton said that Michael Jackson was a black icon. His funeral lasted about 6 weeks on CNN. Wasn't he also a pedophile? Or was he white?
^ Please don't tell me you're trying to seriously address my post, when it was clearly sarcasm from start to finish. The post was a farcical look at what "conclusions" could be made from using statistics that have nothing to do with the subject.
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Posted - Oct 19 2009 : 1:53PM
If blacks and whites view interracial sex in completely different ways, then statistics absolutely do relate to the subject at issue. Now, if anyone has data - other than Department of Justice rape statistics - which might shed light on the subject, that would of course be helpful.
Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - Oct 19 2009 : 2:22PM
Miss West wrote: I invite you to join the mentality of being physically SECURE about who YOU are and those who might not be attracted to you. _____________________________________________________________ Aside from being the best and most articulate advice yet in this thread, possibly on this entire board, I think it addresses the central issue of those so bothered by people in porn and elsewhere who avoid inter-racial relationships, whatever the reason. Ordinarily, all of us encounter individuals we don't care for and people who don't care for us. Sooner or later, regardless of the cause for the dislike, we understand that it's not going to change no matter how much we wish it would. It's too bad, maybe; maybe the girl or the guy seemed worth knowing, but it isn't going to happen, so everyone moves on. Ordinarily. Here, though, we seem to have people who can't move on. No doubt some of the reason girls steer away from IR is racism. No doubt some of it isn't. When it comes to race, though, many people on both sides can't move on. They want things to change. They want girls who won't do IR to pay some kind of price that will prove to them how wrong they are. Someday all that may happen. My own thought has always been that racists are in their own way, victims of racism as much as they are purveyors of it. Look at all they miss! Look at the meanness of spirit and narrowness of mind and frustration they must feel, especially now. Look at all the fine people they will never know. And that goes for whites who are racist AND African Americans who see racism everywhere they look, in everything that is not just exactly as they want it to be. I would urge everyone to take Miss West's advice "to join the mentality of being physically SECURE about who YOU are and those who might not be attracted to you" for whatever reason. Look for your own contentment. Move on. BTW, I hope you read this Miss West, because I want uou to know that wherever blood that circulates in your body came from, it sure must enjoy the trip! "I don't know who my grandfather was; I am much more concerned to know what his grandson will be." A.Lincoln
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Posted - Oct 19 2009 : 2:30PM
^ Hear, hear! Edited by - tobias on 10/19/2009 2:31:53 PM
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Posted - Oct 19 2009 : 2:42PM
Just doing black girls is the easy way out. You want to fully accept us? Then go all the way and take dick. Racist white guys don't mind fucking black girls. It's just hot & exotic "slumming" pussy in their mind. What they fear / hate is the black male. The challenge of a male who will not submit to them. And that is why they want their women to stay clear of them. The men these women know don't care if they fool around with ANY woman regardless of color. This is because a woman cannot "violate" her in the way a man's penis can. It's the psychological whammy of knowing "a black penis has been here" that drives them crazy. It doesn't matter if thousands of other-color penises have been there. They only care that a black one has not. So no, doing a lesbian scene with a black girl doesn't count. At least Hannah West has a black agent. She's making him money by her performing. I'd say she's been more helpful in that respect than Jenna Jameson's (and Alexis Texas') IR lesbo "crumbs". Edited by - tritone on 10/19/2009 2:43:44 PM Edited by - tritone on 10/19/2009 2:46:16 PM
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Tobias Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 19 2009 : 2:49PM
Congratulations. Your expressed interest in pimping out white girls has set back race relations by a generation or two.
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Posted - Oct 19 2009 : 2:59PM
Nah, I'm just saying she is making a positive, tangible impact in some black man's life. If Lee Bang is doing well, then he can seek out more IR-friendly women to work for him. And hey, who said agents were "pimps"? Pimps take ALL the money. Agents only get 10 to 15 percent. Oh wait, I get it. It's just the black agents who are pimps. ;-)
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Posted - Oct 19 2009 : 3:04PM
Anyone who's ever had an agent will tell you the best ones are indeed pimps.
Let's go along with Tobias and pretend for a second that statistics about interracial rape might have something to do with attitudes toward interracial sex generally. Here are some statistics for you, based on 2008 census estimates and your DoJ crime statistics: There are 304,059,724 Americans. Of those, 149,901,444 (49.3%) are men. Of those, 19,187,385 (12.8%) are black men. According to your DoJ statistics, and assuming that each instance of rape was perpetrated by a different offender - which is surely not the case - 130,036 black men committed rape in 2006. Those 130,036 offenders represent 0.68% of the black male population. So I ask you: What could the actions of less than 1% of a population possibly say about the population's attitudes as a whole?
What people don't get is that nobody is forcing all girls to do IR...it's their racism that people care to expose. When a pornstar says she will fuck any race of men but NO amount will make her do a black man ( not even one person out of hundreds of millions of people)...obviously a "normal" black man will be offended by that. Given the history of this nation, not many people are stupid not to think that bigotry has nothing to do with it. Some black guys don't care about girls refusing to do IR but there is no doubt in my mind that they feel insulted one or the other by that. I know that not all girls are going to do IR.
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Minha Vaidade me deixou cansado 351 Posts 8/09
Posted - Oct 19 2009 : 5:15PM
ooh yeah sure, totally related to the subject, discussing rape on a porn forum sure makes a lot of sense i actually found this thread to be quite pathetic with all that nonsense you were spouting about how calling a porn actress on her racism and expressing what is nothing but your own personal opinion was somehow related to rape (totally insane even a kid with down syndrome knows that analogy is absoutely ridiculous) but at least it was about porn and now come here talking about rape i'm curious now as to what you're going to bring up next
I posted, not in so many words, that fear was at the core of this discussion. The fear that every black man is a threat to white womanhood. The O/P posted those statistic because he believes it proves his fear are grounded in facts. Most lynching used this fear to motivate the mob. The same fear was exploited in making alcohol illegal. It was believed that: When the n####r's get drunk no white women is safe. It was played upon again to make marijuana and cocaine illegal. That time Mexicans were included. Someone on a another thread said that ir movies portray a revenge fantasy. On the contrary IR movie are playing on the fear of the black man.
The validity of a sample size is dependent upon some number of observations - not the percentage of such observations compared against an entire population. Thus, any number exceeding 100,000 observations is clearly statistically significant. Now, using the population numbers you presented above, approximately 6.3% (19,187,385/304,059,724) of the total U.S. population are black males. From Table 42 of the DOJ Criminal Victimization in the U.S., 2006 Statistical Tables, we see that 16.7% of the 194,270 white rape/sexual assault victims and 43% of the 17,920 black rape/sexual assault victims reported that their attacker was a black male. So, 6.3% of the population is committing a disproportionately high percentage of the rapes that occur each year. These numbers clearly show that rape is a more common occurrence for black males than for white males. But, the questions we should be asking ourselves are: (1) Why is this the case? (2) Is rape somehow considered more acceptable behavior among black males than among white males? and (3) If that is the case, then is acceptance of such behavior filtering down into porn? These are all valid questions.
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Posted - Oct 19 2009 : 7:22PM
The implication I get here is that anyone who isn't "at least making a positive, tangible impact in some black man's life" is a racist. If so, I think your definition of racist is, to say the least, a bit severe. By that criterion, racism will be over in this country only when every white person in it is paying a lifetime pension to at least one African American. Perhaps that's not what you meant, but it is what you said. What, to you, I wonder, is the OPPOSITE of racism? Is it equality, fairness, justice? Or is it revenge? Edited by - duefuss on 10/19/2009 7:25:06 PM
Sigh! Now this topic has turned into a "which race rapes the most women" thread. This is outrageous. *****The Dr. of Nasty*****
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Posted - Oct 19 2009 : 7:40PM
I'm just saying I appreciate Hannah West for bringing her business to a black man. I consider this a more substantial move away from racism than Jenna Jameson doing a black girl and trying to pass it off as Interracial. However, I do think that the actual US slaves should have been paid reparations. That ship has sailed, but it should have been done.
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Minha Vaidade me deixou cansado 351 Posts 8/09
Posted - Oct 19 2009 : 10:56PM
why the mods are allowing this guy to spew this crap is beyond me, if he would at least keep it about porn but he went out of his way to insult black men, this guy clearly overstepped his limits, this is getting ridiculous, it's not even about porn anymore, someone should remind him we're not on stormfront.
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Posted - Oct 19 2009 : 11:23PM
I haven't intentionally insulted anyone. All I've tried to do is generate an insightful and two-sided discussion into the motivations behind men who seek interracial porn and women who reject it. Of course, this is problematic for you, since all you seem to want is a one-sided discussion - replete with constant accusations that any woman who rejects interracial sex is a racist. Then, in a move which is both ironic and truly insulting, you cite a nazi website while, in the same breath, calling for me to be censored.
There is no doubt in my mind that if this forum wasn't moderated, Tobias would be using some very strong and explicit language in his anti- IR and anti-black men rants. Here is something I found on a forum where Mariah Milano was responding to some guy like Tobias. His name is Bill. As you can see from her post, these same people who come here to defend IR dodgers send hate mails to the ones who do it. "I love it when fans who have never been on a set or personally experienced being in this business speak as if they know everything. BillWilliams, I don't believe you because you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. I have been in this business since 1998 and have done over 500 films and started out being cast as a bi-racial 18 year old because I looked mixed even though I am Sicilian. I saw how my rate went up when I started doing more white themed features and got away from the black themed movies. Why did I move away from them you ask? Well because they don't pay as well first of all and the bigger companies didnt shoot interracial as much and I was all about my rate and getting paid. Don't get me wrong, I got paid very well for some of the black themed videos I did, but as a general rule they didn't pay as well at that time. Girls don't do IR because they fear it will hurt their scene rate or it will alienate fans which sadly it does. You wouldn't believe how many emails I got when I first posted my video trailer on my site that showed some of my interracial scenes. People said they would have joined my site if I didn't fuck black men in my videos. Its funny that they feel they are required to watch those videos as a member???? This is about race pure and simple. I 100% agree with the post regarding Dave Hardman or Ron Jeremy or Steve Hatcher and the list goes on. They worked with them didn't they? Were they attracted to them? Sunny works at the fucking Bunny Ranch...is she attracted to every customer?? I highly doubt that. It's about race pure and simple. These days they have to pay the big name girls extra to shoot interracial which is fucked up. It is a huge niche now and yet Tera Patrick or Jenna Jameson have never shot interracial and who are the 2 biggest porn stars ever??? Exactly! Vicki's ex-husband who committed suicide was a member of the National Alliance Party which is a very violent white supremacist organization and he claimed she was also. Obviously she has denied and it she very well may not have been but my question is, how do you stay married to someone for 18 years who is a white supremacist and not share those same beliefs to some degree. I'm not making this up, google it for yourselves. Vicky has always been nice to me and I don't know for a fact any of this because it's all hearsay from her late husband. I just think when you add it up something isn't right. Hate me for saying it but I speak my fucking mind and I don't sugar coat anything especially when it comes to racism. I have a mixed race child and the idea that this way of thinking still exists makes me sick, especially in a business that is supposed to be so open minded " Edited by - Nimrod on 10/19/2009 11:50:04 PM
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Posted - Oct 19 2009 : 11:54PM
For every gay man who says they were born that way there are plenty who will admit that it is something they grew into, essentially developed a taste for it, starting when they were young.
If the gay/straight divide is so clear-cut and biological how do you explain men who have gay sex while in prison but don't after? Or all the female porn performers who have lesbian sex on camera but not off? Or the male performers who have also done gay porn? Or lesbian women who have had sex with straight men, or gay men? Or gay men who have sex with lesbians, or straight women? Or lesbians who like to have sex with trannies? Gore Vidal, who was gay long before most of us were born, has said that the idea of the 'homosexual' is a modern invention, that when he was younger one committed homosexual acts but the notion of being a 'homosexual' is the invention of psychologists and the creation of an identity for gay men in the 60s and 70s. I think Vidal knows a bit more about this than you might with your simple 'gay/straight' equation. Edited by - BlackSix on 10/20/2009 12:02:15 AM
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Minha Vaidade me deixou cansado 351 Posts 8/09
Posted - Oct 19 2009 : 11:56PM
i think you haven't quite grasped the issue yet, it's about common sense, you should know when you're being inappropriate, i didn't start a thread to call anyone a racist, if anyone asked me well i would have no problems saying who i think might be a racist or not (actually i haven't even done this yet, i've never called anyone a racist on this board ), so saying who you think it's a racist or not it's not a problem but now when someone starts a thread on a porn forum just to discuss interracial rape and post stats about interracial rape then i guess we should start questioning his motives, you're not fooling anyone, anyone with a room temperature IQ knows you have issues with black men, just admit don't want to see interracial porn and things are gonna be a lot easier for you. Edited by - braziliandude on 10/19/2009 11:59:11 PM
Tobias wrote: These numbers clearly show that rape is a more common occurrence for black males than for white males. But, the questions we should be asking ourselves are: (1) Why is this the case? (2) Is rape somehow considered more acceptable behavior among black males than among white males? and (3) If that is the case, then is acceptance of such behavior filtering down into porn? These are all valid questions. [/quote] This question remains: "What could the actions of less than 1% of a population possibly say about the population's attitudes as a whole?". What could these statistic possibly say about porn. Your first question is valid. The second is a red herring. You're trying to elicit a specific response. The third question is not a question but a statement of opinion.
I stated in another post that historically some white men have felt the unnecessary need to protect white women from the depredations of black men and that this has always lead to racial tensions. Are you protecting porn girls from their fans?. Standing between them and a bigger fan base, and higher profit?.
You are aware that no one is protecting them from anal fans. White porn girls are being pressured and fucked in the ass every day and you are not there for them lol. Black men and white women are drawn to each other like magnets. Opposite attract. Where da white women at?
What the statistics show is that African Americans account for 12.8% of the population but were accused of 18.9% percent of sexual assaults committed in 2006. (These statistics concern not the race of convicted rapists but the perceived race of the offender as reported by the victim.) No disagreement so far.This is where the problems begin. You took the number of accused rapists and counted them as people who consider rape acceptable. Logically, then, we have to take the number of non-rapists and count them as people who consider rape unacceptable. Since everyone is either a rapist or a non-rapist, the sample size is the entire population. That's why I brought in the 2008 predicted census data. What it shows is that way less than 1% of males of any race were rapists in 2006. The percentage of white males is closer to zero than the percentage of black males, but so what? They're both very close to zero. There is no significant "acceptance of such behavior" anywhere in the population, so there's no point in speculating about this non-existent acceptance of rape "filtering down into porn." There are no answers to your questions (2) and (3) because they're stupid questions. Edited by - johnshaft820 on 10/20/2009 8:09:15 AM
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Posted - Oct 20 2009 : 12:38AM
Hey Duffus, get the fuck out of here with your pseudo intellectual GARBAGE. Your attempts to try and make excuses and seek an easy way out for these racist porn skanks has failed miserably. NEVER EVER EVER try to intrude your white agenda ideas and attempt imagine what our Black ancestors who were brutally murdered by the hands of white racists think as a contrast comparison to the racist attitudes practiced by white porn girls in the hope of pardoning them from blame while bashing the Black porn fans who rightly pointed them out. You show your own ignorance and high almighty attitude by even having the audacity to suggest that our murdered assertors would be ashamed of the Black porn fans on this board for pointing out the SAME Jim Crow, apartheid tactics in 2009 that these worthless porngirls are practicing in which is the same discrimination our ancestors suffered a hundred years ago. The thing that IDIOTS like you and porn skank Hannah continually fail to realize is that discrimination based on race is RACISM. Our Black ancestors who were murdered by white went through this daily. Its people like YOU and Hannah that try their best to trivialize this current matter by comparing that to something more brutal as an attempt to pardon these racist porn girls but unluckily for you, your attempts are not working, WE SEE THROUGH YOUR BULLSHIT
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