Brazilian Dude, you should know better than to ask this question. You are the biggest offender here - Constantly calling women derogatory terms, saying how much you distrust them, completely disregarding their opinions, etc. Then, when all else fails, and you still can't get them to comply with your wishes, you call them racist and heap even more verbal abuse on them. You don't think what you're doing is as "heavy" as rape. But, it sure as hell is - Since what you're doing and rape are both all about power. Hence, the name of this thread.
Well said BrazilianDude I believe racism is as disgusting as pedophilia, rape and incest. Have you noticed that racists are never that nice looking?? What penalizes them more is that their racism makes them even uglier. LOL.
You must be joking. You could probably even lump this level of active intolerance of racism in with those things. Those first two things hurt innocents and the third may or may not. How do you figure personally held beliefs are on that scale?
Well I am 'in part' making fun of the thread starter Tobias for claiming that calling girls out for thier very obvious racist behavior to Black performers is akin to 'rape'. But I am very serious in the fact that.... Racism has actally led to the 'rape' of innocent Black women and the 'murder' of innocent Black men for hundreds of years ever since they were kidnapped and sent to America and Europe... and in some cases, even today. Racism is vile and disgusting, period.
Okay... I am actually going to say Nora hot might have a point (because I can be objective) racism is very wrong. when I think of a racist i think of someone who very publically hates and HATEFULLY discriminates.. racism and personal choice of who they fuck.. two totally different things.. it's kinda like people who hate on the gay community.. the hateful crimes or things they do.. the taunting.. the beatings.. whatever. Those things are very very wrong. It is not wrong however if an individual decided to not have sex with someone of the same gender, someone of different color, someone of different weight, small boobs/big boobs, small cock/big cock.. whatever but racist people are generally people who don't associate with ones of different color. they refuse to have anything to do with them neighbor them speak with them in other forms other than disrespectfully ect Any one who HATES anyone ELSE who has opinions/prefrences/backgrounds other than that of their own are WRONG. It's one thing to not agree, its another to act hatefully or say hateful things based off a difference. If you are a straight male and choose to not have sex with a gay guy.. does that mean you discriminate and hate gay people? If I am a "kinda" white girl and I choose to not have sex with a dark skin, does that make me racist? I think it's very fucked up to say yes.. racist are about hatred. I have none of that
Again, I will say this. While most girls may not be racists I will say that they may be bigots and they definitely discriminate. Both of which are not allowed by law any work place. After all, porn is a job right?! Those terms aren't on the same level as the term racist but they do describe what is going on to the fullest. All in all, I don't think that a girl should be forced into anything they don't want to do. But as some others have already said. A lot of the girls that try to explain themselves and give(ridiculous) reasons usually just end up putting their foot in their mouth and adding fuel to the fire. I would prefer it if they did what Kristina Rose and some others do and just avoid it all together rather than come in and say something that just doesn't make sense or hold up. BTW, this isn't directed at you per se Hannah, but is every girl mixed with Native American these days . Almost every girl I have talked to recently claims to be part NA. Its like the race to try to be a part of these days. Oh and they all say one of the same two tribes when asked which one. I guess that's because its the only ones they know. lol! *****The Dr. of Nasty*****
Me too. I've started to reply to so many posts, and then deleted it and decided not to bother. Lets just say, the majority of what I've read here, on both "sides," has been problematic.
I don't know the tribe/s which I may be mixed with I know nothing of the culture honestly.. my parents and my grandparents from what I remember didn't paticipate in any NA events.. I have no crazy pictures to show you I am not registered and I don't recieve free scholorships for my blood but I am going to have to say the I believe a lot of whites in the south have some sort of na percentage to their blood. I also find it unfair that girls aren't expected or should not give their opinion on something with contraversey because people find their rationaly to be "ridiculous" I find at least ten people on this thread ignorant as fuck and narrow minded and I have just as much right as anyone else to give an honest attempt of an explaination .. and they have just as much right to tell me how "ridiculous" my ideas are.. even if my valid points remain unacknowedlged and simplified down to me being a rasit because nobody actually has a REAL valid arguement
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Posted - Oct 17 2009 : 10:52PM
ooh so expressing my opinion as a CONSUMER is now akin to rape?, i don't see the logic in your argument that's got nothing to do with power , biggest offender ? LMAO, that's funny, i don't remember offending anyone on this board, the title of your thread however borders on abuse, very disrespectful.
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Posted - Oct 17 2009 : 11:10PM
i believe most white americans are of irish and german descent, anyway i thought the one-drop rule was still in effect ? if you're not 100 % white you are not white, i thought this was the american definition of race?
I don't think Kristina Rose has avoided the question. She answered that question before but she just never gave a reason.
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Posted - Oct 18 2009 : 12:39AM
actually i didn't "believe" anything , i was pretty damn sure German Americans (16.8%), Irish Americans (12.1%), English Americans (9.3%), Italian Americans (5.9%), Polish Americans (3.3%), French Americans (3.2%), Scottish Americans (2%), Scotch-Irish Americans (1.8%), Dutch Americans (1.7%), Norwegian Americans (1.5%), Swedish Americans (1.4%), and Russian Americans
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Posted - Oct 18 2009 : 12:46AM
I don't think you know what you're talking about. What the hell is a "white American?" I'm Central American and I'm as white as they come. But, according to your definition, since I'm not of European descent, I'm not "white." No wonder you run around calling everyone a racist. You have your definitions all mixed up.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Oct 18 2009 : 12:48AM
Those numbers look like nonsense to me, how can you determine that someone is German American? Chances are they have relatives of German/Irish/English whathaveyou decent on the male and female side. For example, on one side my grandfather was Irish, my grandmother English; on the other my grandmother was of Irish descent but not from Ireland so who knows what other nationality/ethnicity was involved there, my grandfather was Francophone descent, maybe with some Metis background. What does that make me? To try and nail down a single line of national descent in North America is almost impossible. People love to claim that they're fucking Irish or something but it's usually bullshit.
Guys, here's where he got the numbers from: Wikipedia article on White Americans But he didn't finish the sentence. "German Americans (16.8%), Irish Americans (12.1%), English Americans (9.3%), Italian Americans (5.9%), Polish Americans (3.3%), French Americans (3.2%), Scottish Americans (2%), Scotch-Irish Americans (1.8%), Dutch Americans (1.7%), Norwegian Americans (1.5%), Swedish Americans (1.4%), and Russian Americans (1%) make up 60% of the "White" population.[7] Included in the category are White Hispanics representing 8.11%,[2] mainly Mexican Americans." Hmmm. 16.8 + 12.1 = 28.9. 100 - 28.9 = 71.1% of "White Americans" who are of neither German nor Irish descent. I see math is not your strong suit, Brazilian Dude. Really, it was your mis-characterization of the one-drop rule that inspired my post. Even if it still existed in any sort of strict sense, it was never that one drop of anything else makes you not white; it's that one drop of black makes you black. But most importantly, it was your insistence on this archaic notion as if it proved some kind of point, that someone with a bit of NA in their ancestry should or shouldn't be more or less likely to be prejudiced against black people - it has nothing to do with anything, and given that in this particular case the person has identified that bit of their ancestry as being waayyyy back, what on Earth could it possibly have to do with our discussion? And why on earth would you say these things as if you were making a point?
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Posted - Oct 18 2009 : 1:24AM
Thank you for verifying that Brazilian is full of crap. I already figured as much.
Whoa sport! Calm down! Since I did not really direct my comments at you It seems to me like you are starting to feel a little insecure over your own comments if you jump so strongly at my statement and seem to want to start calling people "ignorant as fuck". I mean I can give you my full attention if you want. I have no problem dissecting a few of your posts. Anyways, I agree with you to a degree. Yeah there are some ignorant people that spew nonsense. And yeah, every girl does have a right to defend themselves. No one ever said they didn't have that right. I just said it would be....smarter to avoid it. And again, some of the reasons given by some girls are ridiculous, period. Since you seem to jump on the defense so quickly, I assume that you believe you are one of those girls. In any case this whole thing is stupid. Both sides are just becoming irritating now. *****The Dr. of Nasty***** Edited by - Dr. Nasty on 10/18/2009 2:56:55 AM
Basically, this thread was filled with back and forths about how absurd it was until HW threw her two cents in, knowing that she has issues with black men/dark skin. This heated exchange could have been avioded had she stopped at ''no one is pressuring me to do IR'', but no, she wanted to get all philisophical, as if class in is session..GTFOH!...yeah, show me a man who cares about how well you debate while he's watching you take a facial. It's funny that women like A.Texas, Vicky Vette, and Stormy Daniels never appear in these threads,..we know, and they know. It's always women like HW that pop up and give BS excuses, and reasons why they don't do IR....ok, you don't do IR....keep it moving Ok, I'm so done with this chick....Now, on to better and better things...this just in, we have a female pornstar that wants to broaden her horizons by adding IR to her card, and she goes by the name of Cassandra Calogera,FYI she's Italian, polish, and take a guess...NATIVE AMERICAN...lets welcome her.....Oh, tobias she started a thread herself stating that she wants to open up to IR..No pressure there!
That's why I don't understand why she's called Slutwoman with all her limits. Personally I think she's pretty overrated and being hyped up here. Edited by - Ramsey on 10/18/2009 1:54:06 PM
I don't know how this will go down but I respect Hannah Westxxx for debating the IR issue with you guys because a lot of pornstars who don't do IR haven't come on like Hannah has and debated this issue with you guys. Edited by - pokerman on 10/18/2009 4:45:31 AM
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Posted - Oct 18 2009 : 5:20AM
Hanna, you keep giving lame and pathetic explanations. I'm just laughing at your ever failing ridiculous attempts to seperate racism from your own racist actions. Here are the facts. 1. You are racist and you practice racist discrimination in the workplace. 2. You want to defend and justify your racist actions as if you want rights to be racist. 3. Considering the above 2 facts, you pretend that you're not racist. LOL The two things you mentioned are the same. If you went to any other place of work and refused to work with a Black person, you will be fired. Did you hear about the so called Louisiana Justice Keith Bardwell who refused to marry a Blk/Wht interracial couple, plus did you hear his lame excuse afterwards? He is rightly being publicly trashed and ridiculed plus his job is now in serious jeopardy. You remind me of him. You both practice discrimination based on race. Look up apartheid and Jim Crow which was in operation many many years ago. Astonishingly, you are practicing this in 2009. Hanna, in regards to your contribution to this thread, you started from the bottom and it's been downhill for you ever since. Give up now. You are racist; you know that, everyone on this board knows that. If you want to continue making yourself look dumb and stupid in public, go ahead.
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I have absolutely NO respect for her. Anyone who is quick to support, defend, justify and promote the racist discriminatory "I'LL DO ANYTHING BUT BLACK" ideology gets no respect from me. There was a thread last year on the Star Crossed section regarding the IR issue and Hanna was the first actress to put her nasty discriminatory views across like she was very proud. With every post, she comes across as a far-right flag waving racist bigot akin to the racial segregation of the Jim Crow and Apartheid era. Regarding that ugly looking actor Ramon, her explanation for working with him was, “He showed up and wasn't dark skin, so I fucked him”. If that doesn't tell you what type of person she is, nothing will. Brazilian Dude put it correctly when he said, that attraction or looks of the male performer is not her issue. Her issue is that she thinks Black skin is disgusting and is very quick to promote that when she unwittingly and inadvertently exposes that in her writings. YET she is not smart enough to realize how really disgusting her job role is and what she does for a living. Annette Schwarz revealed (and it's no surprise) when she said she was shocked to hear some white American porn actresses say absolutely nasty racist things about Black performers in private. So if Hanna is quick to jump on a porn forum's IR thread and put her discriminatory views across, well you can guess what type of conversations Hanna gets into in private amongst her fellow white actresses. Hanna is only fooling herself if she thinks the claiming to have some Native American blood somehow prevents her from being racist, LOL. Its reminds me of the lame excuse that racists say when they get busted for their bigotry is that they have Black friends. LOL With every discriminatory action, you'll always find gullible people who would try to justify and promote it, Hanna is one of them. ------------------------------------- I certainly DON'T want someone like her to do IR. My issue with her is that she is willingly deluded into thinking that Black people are below and more disgusting than getting cummed on in the face by multiple strangers, urinated on, shitted on, slapped about, being forced lick the toilet bowl and getting your head flushed in said toilet, eating shit, sleeping with animals and other vile degrading acts. This deluded girl need to take a good hard look at herself next time multiple strangers are shooting their load in her face in a dingy alleyway for the public to see. Then when she looks at the TV later, she'll see a Black 1st family and Black President of America as the leader of the whole world addressing other world leaders and making important decisions that will affect all of us PLUS is more than capable of putting Hanna out of her cocksucking job if he so wishes. LOL
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Posted - Oct 18 2009 : 7:58AM
OK, but what is a white guy? Many white guys are not white, they just look white. I used to have a friend from Norway who was white with blonde hair, but his father was an Ethiopian. and therefore he was technically not white. Most porn star blogs I've read are very pro IR and never mention IR pressure at all. I think IR pressure is very rare just based on what goes down on the internet. Racism has never been a problem in the industry, just a figment in the ocassional mindset. Vanessa Del Rio was always accused of being racist, how stupid is that? She even had a black husband at one time. And Valerie Luxe? That's again just cherry picking. Why not look at Arcadia Lake or Annette Haven? Opposite results entirely.
I've resigned to the notion this debate isn't very layered. All you have to do is show up. It's unfortunate because I usually don't show up for no reason at all.
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Minha Vaidade me deixou cansado 351 Posts 8/09
Posted - Oct 18 2009 : 8:40AM
well in fact math IS my strong suit (i'm a physics undergraduate, you can try me if you want, if there is anyone here who's ever studied physics, math or engineering they should be able to confirm it) but that's not the point, germans are the largest ethic group among americans and i read somewhere that at least 70 % of all white americans claim some german ancestry. i didn't say anything about mixed people being more or less likely to be prejudiced against black people, if i did please quote.
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Minha Vaidade me deixou cansado 351 Posts 8/09
Posted - Oct 18 2009 : 8:51AM
by the way given the huge amount of germans the official language in the US should be german, not english.
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Posted - Oct 18 2009 : 9:41AM
Hey guys, I thought I should copy and paste this from another thread and hear your thoughts on this. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ntfighter wrote: I have learned from reading on here that most of the girls, and I mean girl, who are "No IR" are young small town girls. As such they are greatly influenced by agents who's interest is controlling them. Edited by - ntfighter on 10/17/2009 6:56:37 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- chi-bear 85 wrote: Good point there, Ntfighter. There's a saying, that I think goes like this. People from small towns have small minds. I did some research and find out to be true, that white girls from small towns who do porn tend not do IR. But the ones from Big Cities like Hillary Scott, from Chicago, Lexi Love from Boston, Sasha Grey from Sacramento,Cali and Bobbi Starr from San Francisco tend to open to do IR. Maybe we should avoid the small town, Hicks and recruit the beautiful white girls from big cities to do IR. Edited by - Chi - Bear 85 on 10/18/2009 9:43:22 AM
A lot of people make this mistake...you don't have to be some violent or psycho extremist to be called racist. There are people out there who are friends with blacks but who hold racist beliefs. I've met MANY. Edited by - Nimrod on 10/18/2009 9:47:41 AM
That horrible analogy just shows the state to which interracial dodgers will go to make excuses. Someone being exclusive to pussy is very different from someone being exclusive or favoring cock, but saying one kind of cock color is absolutely unexceptable, no matter who the person is, his looks, his size, the quality of his character etc. Nothing else matters when he's black. I understand we all have preferences, but this no black policy many pornstars have has little to do with that. Expecially with stars willing to take multiple white guys at once, some of whom are the grudgiest looking motherfuckers out there, the preference excuse is laughable. To be fair I don't think it's blatant racism in most cases either. I think it's cowardice. Cowering in face of what friends and family will think. Cowering when their agents say their career will be shorter or lesser if they do black guys (something that's been proven a lie time and again). Heck there are stars who admit doing black guys in their private lives but won't on camera. Cowardice plain and simple. Edited by - Christopher256 on 10/18/2009 11:57:35 AM Edited by - Christopher256 on 10/18/2009 12:03:29 PM
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Minha Vaidade me deixou cansado 351 Posts 8/09
Posted - Oct 18 2009 : 12:17PM
i agree with you, you can't compare gay sex with interracial, i've never seen a porn actor doing guys after he got old and wasn't making enough money, doing interracial or not doing interracial is a choice, there is a thin line between doing or not doing interracial and it's very easy to cross, it's a choice nothing more, but now going from being straight to being gay that's one line that's not easy to cross, a straight man in porn will never cross the bridge whereas most dodgers will probably do interacial one day, too much for having their personal preferences
Edited by - braziliandude on 10/18/2009 12:24:41 PM
The analogy between IR dodging and straight refusing to do gay sex is ridiculous. The next thing you hear from them will be an analogy between someone refusing to fuck all people of the black race and someone refusing to fuck dogs. I refuse to fuck all black men, does that make me racist? Straight men refuse to fuck men, does that make them homophobic? Normal people refuse to fuck animals, does that mean they hate animals? That is absurd.
^ Or, homophobia is so deeply ingrained in our cultural psyche that it's acceptable to refer to it as a sexual preference. At its heart though, it's homophobia - the fear of sexual interaction with men. This doesn't mean racism is ok - quite the opposite - but it's worth admitting that homosexuality is also demonized and feared.
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Minha Vaidade me deixou cansado 351 Posts 8/09
Posted - Oct 18 2009 : 1:20PM
i don't think so, if you are born straight you like women , if you are porn gay you like men, simple as that, it's not about finding men attractive or not i have no problems admitting brad pitt is attractive, no i know he's good looking but the thing is, i am straight, i would choose an ugly woman over a good looking man no matter how good looking he may be, you are born straight you don't choose to be straight, even gay people admit they were born gay ask them, they wlll always tell you they were born gay and since they were kids they knew they were attracted to men !!! not making this up. so there is no comparison, straight men don't do other men because they were born straight, not because of "fear of sexual interaction with men" let me know when you see mr marcus doing guys because he needs money the idea sounds ridiculous, if he's really straight he will never do guys.
Edited by - braziliandude on 10/18/2009 1:30:13 PM
^ I have to disagree. It's a lively debate, with much disagreement - not nearly as clear-cut and proven as you suggest - but often saying you're "born gay" is a political rhetoric employed in the face of overwhelming homophobia. If you read just a handful of queer theory you'll realise that most of it argues that everyone's sexuality is a construction - including heterosexuality. No sexuality is wrong, but because so many people think it's a perversion and an abomination, politically many people are forced to say it's biological. Not trying to derail your racism thread - carry on.
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Posted - Oct 18 2009 : 2:16PM
Actually, IR had it's origins in the deep south in the 19th century with black and white gays. The infamous "Mississippi Sissies" were gay blacks and whites who gathered at "straight" homes in Hattiesburg and initiated gangbangs of white wives while the husband watched, and then queefed black creampies from their wives and buttfucked the perp. Satan Press actually published several semi-fictional accounts of these affairs in the 70s.
[/quote] A lot of people make this mistake...you don't have to be some violent or psycho extremist to be called racist. There are people out there who are friends with blacks but who hold racist beliefs. I've met MANY. Edited by - Nimrod on 10/18/2009 9:47:41 AM [/quote] I know a chick like this. Though her family is to blame for it. On the bright side, she says she won't feed this bs to her children. At least the racist crap will stop with her.
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Posted - Oct 18 2009 : 4:36PM
read this article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation there has been a lot of discussion about whether or not it's biological but this much i can tell you, a lot of gays say since they were kids they knew they were gay and i believe them, why would anyone want to be discriminated against and seen as an abomination by most of society, i don't think anyone would actually choose this way of life, i'm pretty sure they didn't choose to be gay, anyway , ask the, most gays will say they have always been gay.
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Minha Vaidade me deixou cansado 351 Posts 8/09
Posted - Oct 18 2009 : 4:41PM
and is it so hard to believe ? i mean , why do most women like men ? why do most men like women ?, i'm sure the reason most people tend to be attracted to the opposite sex is biological so why is it so hard to imagine that some type of brain dysfunction could make a man biologically attracted to other men ?, and it's not discrimination , i'm going by what most gay people say and most of them say they were born gay. Edited by - braziliandude on 10/18/2009 4:45:29 PM
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Posted - Oct 18 2009 : 4:43PM
Typical pseudo-intellectual blather. When did you "construct" your sexuality?
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Tobias Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 18 2009 : 10:46PM
The following Justice Department report is interesting, particularly Table 42, which shows that statistically black males commit rape against white women at a hugely disproportionate rate compared to white males committing rape against black women. The same report shows similar results for every calendar year dating back to 1996: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus0602.pdf
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Posted - Oct 18 2009 : 10:56PM
OK, so here you come with crime statistics. The favorite fallback of those trying to push a white-supremacist agenda. Now that the original premise of this thread has been cut to shreds, you're getting mean-spirited. Admit it. You don't really want black male - white female sex to happen, at all. Consensual or not.
He showed his real face with that post. I know the kind of people who like to bring up those stats...it's a favorite topic in neo-nazi sites.
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Posted - Oct 18 2009 : 11:22PM
Tobias earlier posts shows he doesn't like black males on white females. It's pretty evident, maybe he's a producer, agent or director in the adult film industry who is trying to stop white girls from fucking black guys.
Posted - Oct 17 2009 : 6:03PM
. Almost every girl I have talked to recently claims to be part NA. Its like the race to try to be a part of these days. Oh and they all say one of the same two tribes when asked which one. I guess that's because its the only ones they know. lol!
