Racism in Porn: The forum for real talk (page 2)

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Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01	Posted - Oct 13 2014 : 8:21PM Here is the thing, is there racism within the adult movie industry? I am sure there is. Sadly there appear to be factions still left in just about any industry. The thing here is that, from what I can see, things are being called racist that don't seem to be. You offer little proof for all the "claims" you have here. And when someone put up something that counters your "claim" you brush it off. [Link]
Curtom Deactivated User 293 Posts 8/14	Posted - Oct 14 2014 : 10:05AM Flash wrote: Curtom wrote: Flash wrote: How is it that the performer who you state has all the possible opportunities given to him only has performer credits and the one you claim has far less already has achieved a directorial credit? Click to expand What a pointless response. Click to expand How is that a pointless response? To me at least having already directed a movie shows opportunities that are available, whereas the other performer has not, which could very well indicate such opportunities are not available to him. And that is pointless? Click to expand Well we don't know why Clover hasn't shot a movie himself yet. [Link]
A-ten Deactivated User 581 Posts 8/07	Posted - Oct 14 2014 : 10:29AM This shit again. No one can be forced to have sex with people they don't want to have sex with regardless of the reason. Doesn't matter if it is race, body order, height, dick size, nationality, or what not. Not sure why you are trying to accomplish posting this shit again. It's become a troll topic with the same old responses. What do you seriously expect posting this? The government to somehow initiate affirmative action polices requiring all pornstars to fuck people regardless of race? Is that your expectation? It's the sex industry. Government stays as far away from it as possible only peeking their head in when a moral group decides to push for it as part of the agenda. Doubt you'll see affirmative action polices in porn at any point in time. The only power you have is the power of your money. You don't like girls that don't do IR, don't buy their scenes. As far as posing this garbage, pointless. I think you're mainly starting a troll topic, since this is a well discussed topic. No one I've seen posting with any sense claimed there wasn't racism in porn. That's just you making stupid assumptions to make yourself out to be some kind of victim. Pathetic. [Link]
Curtom Deactivated User 293 Posts 8/14	Posted - Oct 14 2014 : 10:38AM Let me explain you this straight , less work is when I want to fuck 10 girls but they only offer me ONE But if I want to fuck 10 girls and actually fuck ten girls how can you consider this less work? Click to expand That's exactly my point, ask any director in the industry, one of the first things they have to do is narrow down options for who they can and cannot shoot. If director wants to shoot an interracial themed movie, he must make sure he can shoot out of whose available for boy/girl who does interracial. If he had 10/10 options for girls he could actually shoot two interracial movies with five scenes per movie.Now if he only has the choice of 5, it becomes more difficult to shoot more movies that his options. I'm pretty sure Lex would love to work with Jessie Andrews, Brandy Aniston, Nicole Aniston, Yurizan Beltran, Breanne Benson and countless others, but he has less options that Manuel Ferrara or Joey Silvera who may have higher number (maybe not 10/10 exactly but more that lex) of options that Lex. Also to perform in feature movies you need acting abilities not every black man can it's not a matter of skin, Prince and Lex perform in Features and parodies often (Lex is the porn counterpart of Samuel Jackson-Nick Fury) Tyler Knight performed especially in features, Mr Marcus did that very often either and so did and still does Sean Michaels Click to expand The bulk of their work is in gonzo productions. If they shoot say twenty IR scenes per day this is the total amount of work available There are scenes who are not IR hence it is not less work it is another whole thing Click to expand Right, but there would be double that (I pointed that out above), If more girls available to shoot IR at any giving time. I'll put this another way there are women who only perform Lez scenes even though they are bisexuals or even used to perform straight porn a lot, would you say they are preventing from work all male performers? It's less work as you put it Click to expand Precisely also black male performers work a lot compared to their female counterpart , but strangely enough nobody gives a fuck to this Click to expand Men in the industry are more prolific that women generally. There is one of obvious reason for this. I think i'll let you answer that one. But I think the point you should be making is that black women are paid less than their white female counterparts. Edited by - Curtom on 10/14/2014 10:41:15 AM Edited by - Curtom on 10/14/2014 10:56:51 AM [Link]

Curtom Deactivated User 293 Posts 8/14	Posted - Oct 14 2014 : 10:54AM This shit again. No one can be forced to have sex with people they don't want to have sex with regardless of the reason. Doesn't matter if it is race, body order, height, dick size, nationality, or what not. Not sure why you are trying to accomplish posting this shit again. It's become a troll topic with the same old responses. Click to expand This is not about slavery. Please leave this forum if you find this topic uncomfortable. What do you seriously expect posting this? The government to somehow initiate affirmative action polices requiring all pornstars to fuck people regardless of race? Is that your expectation? Click to expand Nothing of the like here, this is solely talk about exposing racism. You don't like girls that don't do IR, don't buy their scenes. As far as posing this garbage, pointless. I think you're mainly starting a troll topic, since this is a well discussed topic. Click to expand You can't buy SCENES only MOVIES. Racism is certainly not a 'garbage' or 'pointless' concept. It is a serious topic in our society that needs to be addressed. There can be no end to discussing racism as long as it still exists. Edited by - Curtom on 10/14/2014 10:55:15 AM Edited by - Curtom on 10/14/2014 10:59:25 AM [Link]
Curtom Deactivated User 293 Posts 8/14	Posted - Oct 14 2014 : 12:46PM LCF wrote: I don't understand why is so difficult to grasp the fact that Lex produces himself nobody denies anything , he doesn't face any lack of work Click to expand Really? He talks about the blatant he and others face on a daily basis, and here. Edited by - Curtom on 10/14/2014 1:18:58 PM [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 14 2014 : 3:22PM ^ As I will point out better below , you're mixing different topics Curtom wrote: Let me explain you this straight , less work is when I want to fuck 10 girls but they only offer me ONE But if I want to fuck 10 girls and actually fuck ten girls how can you consider this less work? Click to expand That's exactly my point, ask any director in the industry, one of the first things they have to do is narrow down options for who they can and cannot shoot. If director wants to shoot an interracial themed movie, he must make sure he can shoot out of whose available for boy/girl who does interracial. If he had 10/10 options for girls he could actually shoot two interracial movies with five scenes per movie.Now if he only has the choice of 5, it becomes more difficult to shoot more movies that his options. I'm pretty sure Lex would love to work with Jessie Andrews, Brandy Aniston, Nicole Aniston, Yurizan Beltran, Breanne Benson and countless others, but he has less options that Manuel Ferrara or Joey Silvera who may have higher number (maybe not 10/10 exactly but more that lex) of options that Lex. Click to expand You're mixing two different topics here one is the lack of work which he DOES NOT EXPERIENCE , the other is denial of offered bookings of which I have no doubt The number of performers who do IR is not 5 they are HUNDREDS , he may be denied Yurizan Beltran (which is retired BTW) but not Siri , he may be denied Jessie Rogers , but not Angela White , for each girl he's denied there's another more than willing equally stunning if not even more who would take her place Actually the number of scenes per movies has not been reduced to 4 because he lacked women it is the market almost all directors but a few put 4 scenes in their movies, to reduce the costs, he used to put 5 scenes until this year . this has nothing to do with his options Curtom wrote: Also to perform in feature movies you need acting abilities not every black man can it's not a matter of skin, Prince and Lex perform in Features and parodies often (Lex is the porn counterpart of Samuel Jackson-Nick Fury) Tyler Knight performed especially in features, Mr Marcus did that very often either and so did and still does Sean Michaels Click to expand The bulk of their work is in gonzo productions. Click to expand So? my answer was about your statement over Tommy Gunn , I said he mainly works in feature movies , you replied black guys aren't so much, I proved you wrong because there's a number of black guys who shot a lot of feature movies. your new reply is unrelated to the previous exchange and even untrue , Tyler Knight worked mainly in features Curtom wrote: If they shoot say twenty IR scenes per day this is the total amount of work available There are scenes who are not IR hence it is not less work it is another whole thing Click to expand Right, but there would be double that (I pointed that out above), If more girls available to shoot IR at any giving time. Click to expand It's not that , they only shoot 20 scenes not because they lack girls who would do it but because they can only sell a limited number of them , there's no market for more , if they shoot 40 scenes they would never recover the expenses. Do you really think that if Alexis Texas does a scene with Lex the amount would raise to 21? It doesn't work that way , they will stay 20 but another star will lose a scene which would be a shame , a willing star would be denied to book an unwilling one. They will shoot 20 scenes whether Alexis does a scene or not , there's no money for more Curtom wrote: I'll put this another way there are women who only perform Lez scenes even though they are bisexuals or even used to perform straight porn a lot, would you say they are preventing from work all male performers? It's less work as you put it Click to expand Precisely Click to expand So your next crusade will expose this and shame all those lesbians who don't do guys? Curtom wrote: also black male performers work a lot compared to their female counterpart , but strangely enough nobody gives a fuck to this Click to expand Men in the industry are more prolific that women generally. There is one of obvious reason for this. I think I'll let you answer that one. But I think the point you should be making is that black women are paid less than their white female counterparts. Click to expand You completely missed the point , even though female performers in general work less than males (but only as a total a female career lasts few years sometimes few months those 5 years in porn are rare , male performers careers are much longer , decades , a ten years career is short) Black female performers work a lot less than the whites (Asians work even less than the blacks) they are less in demand. About their rates that depends on their lower demand , if projected earnings are high you pay more if they are low you pay less , those investing their money aren't there for charity , they do that to earn money , if they earn say $ 5,000 from an all white or IR BM/WF movie and say $ 3,000 from an all black or WM/BF movie either they reduce the costs so that they can recover those $2,000 less from their savings or they just won't book black performers. There is no point in making investments to knowingly earn LESS The demand for black girls is growing I can see more and more scenes available , maybe if this continues they may get paid at least as much as a white girl. What I pointed out though was that even those who actively point out racism in porn actually seek out for WHITE girls doing IR , none of them and I stress and bold this none of them is helping them, they are on their own , nobody helps to raise the demand , nobody here praises those who deserve to be , there's a lot of them who really are amazing . Instead I read topics and replies like "she's not black" "she doesn't do anal" "she's a racist" I couldn't and still can't believe that those doing this are blacks , a hell of a supporting effort, really. Edited by - LCF on 10/14/2014 3:29:55 PM [Link]
DVDstuff All-Star Member 2966 Posts 9/14	Posted - Oct 14 2014 : 5:11PM I'm going to respond to this with my problem with too much of the race-play in the adult industry... FILM wise... I never got the "Milf" thing, but with performers like Juila Ann returning, and doing some things we never saw before, has been great since I rememer her older movies. I forgot which movie it is from Evil Angel, but I was watching the trailer, and it had a masked Julia Ann just getting nasty dirty with a guy. I didn't even know it was her until she took off the mask and had drool all over her face, masscre running, and just looking like she was completely into it. Then she starts eating his ass, which is just crazy and I am loving it, until .... he tells her to "get all that soul food". ...That ended it for me right there. Why the fuck do you feel it is necessary to say something that assinine is beyond me! Anyone who isn't colored blind can see that you're black and she's white. Why do you have to play on stupid stereotypes and talk about "soul food". Is that all that you eat? Do you think everyone wants to know this? I want to see older stars just getting nastier. Just like Tiffany Mynx and the older she became the more she got into things that weren't seen on camera. This is my problem with the "racism in the industry". I didn't read the other comments so my statements may be misplaced. [Link]
Curtom Deactivated User 293 Posts 8/14	Posted - Oct 14 2014 : 8:28PM LCF wrote: ^ As I will point out better below , you're mixing different topics Curtom wrote: Let me explain you this straight , less work is when I want to fuck 10 girls but they only offer me ONE But if I want to fuck 10 girls and actually fuck ten girls how can you consider this less work? Click to expand That's exactly my point, ask any director in the industry, one of the first things they have to do is narrow down options for who they can and cannot shoot. If director wants to shoot an interracial themed movie, he must make sure he can shoot out of whose available for boy/girl who does interracial. If he had 10/10 options for girls he could actually shoot two interracial movies with five scenes per movie.Now if he only has the choice of 5, it becomes more difficult to shoot more movies that his options. I'm pretty sure Lex would love to work with Jessie Andrews, Brandy Aniston, Nicole Aniston, Yurizan Beltran, Breanne Benson and countless others, but he has less options that Manuel Ferrara or Joey Silvera who may have higher number (maybe not 10/10 exactly but more that lex) of options that Lex. Click to expand You're mixing two different topics here one is the lack of work which he DOES NOT EXPERIENCE , the other is denial of offered bookings of which I have no doubt The number of performers who do IR is not 5 they are HUNDREDS , he may be denied Yurizan Beltran (which is retired BTW) but not Siri , he may be denied Jessie Rogers , but not Angela White , for each girl he's denied there's another more than willing equally stunning if not even more who would take her place Actually the number of scenes per movies has not been reduced to 4 because he lacked women it is the market almost all directors but a few put 4 scenes in their movies, to reduce the costs, he used to put 5 scenes until this year . this has nothing to do with his options Curtom wrote: Also to perform in feature movies you need acting abilities not every black man can it's not a matter of skin, Prince and Lex perform in Features and parodies often (Lex is the porn counterpart of Samuel Jackson-Nick Fury) Tyler Knight performed especially in features, Mr Marcus did that very often either and so did and still does Sean Michaels Click to expand The bulk of their work is in gonzo productions. Click to expand So? my answer was about your statement over Tommy Gunn , I said he mainly works in feature movies , you replied black guys aren't so much, I proved you wrong because there's a number of black guys who shot a lot of feature movies. your new reply is unrelated to the previous exchange and even untrue , Tyler Knight worked mainly in features Curtom wrote: If they shoot say twenty IR scenes per day this is the total amount of work available There are scenes who are not IR hence it is not less work it is another whole thing Click to expand Right, but there would be double that (I pointed that out above), If more girls available to shoot IR at any giving time. Click to expand It's not that , they only shoot 20 scenes not because they lack girls who would do it but because they can only sell a limited number of them , there's no market for more , if they shoot 40 scenes they would never recover the expenses. Do you really think that if Alexis Texas does a scene with Lex the amount would raise to 21? It doesn't work that way , they will stay 20 but another star will lose a scene which would be a shame , a willing star would be denied to book an unwilling one. They will shoot 20 scenes whether Alexis does a scene or not , there's no money for more Curtom wrote: I'll put this another way there are women who only perform Lez scenes even though they are bisexuals or even used to perform straight porn a lot, would you say they are preventing from work all male performers? It's less work as you put it Click to expand Precisely Click to expand So your next crusade will expose this and shame all those lesbians who don't do guys? Curtom wrote: also black male performers work a lot compared to their female counterpart , but strangely enough nobody gives a fuck to this Click to expand Men in the industry are more prolific that women generally. There is one of obvious reason for this. I think I'll let you answer that one. But I think the point you should be making is that black women are paid less than their white female counterparts. Click to expand You completely missed the point , even though female performers in general work less than males (but only as a total a female career lasts few years sometimes few months those 5 years in porn are rare , male performers careers are much longer , decades , a ten years career is short) Black female performers work a lot less than the whites (Asians work even less than the blacks) they are less in demand. About their rates that depends on their lower demand , if projected earnings are high you pay more if they are low you pay less , those investing their money aren't there for charity , they do that to earn money , if they earn say $ 5,000 from an all white or IR BM/WF movie and say $ 3,000 from an all black or WM/BF movie either they reduce the costs so that they can recover those $2,000 less from their savings or they just won't book black performers. There is no point in making investments to knowingly earn LESS The demand for black girls is growing I can see more and more scenes available , maybe if this continues they may get paid at least as much as a white girl. What I pointed out though was that even those who actively point out racism in porn actually seek out for WHITE girls doing IR , none of them and I stress and bold this none of them is helping them, they are on their own , nobody helps to raise the demand , nobody here praises those who deserve to be , there's a lot of them who really are amazing . Instead I read topics and replies like "she's not black" "she doesn't do anal" "she's a racist" I couldn't and still can't believe that those doing this are blacks , a hell of a supporting effort, really. Edited by - LCF on 10/14/2014 3:29:55 PM Click to expand 5=50% 10=100% Interracial=sex between black male & white female I can't be bothered, I'm tired. How basic do I have to speak for you to understand that 5/10 represents 50% and 10/10 represents 100%. Ignore the number itself but know that those single digit numbers represent a certain percentage like I just showed you. Now, out of 10 girls in the porn industry, only five are available at any one time to to IR scenes(of course 5 means 50% not literally 5). Lex is a man who fits the definition of a black male and is interested in shooting scenes, therefore he is only capable of shooting scenes that are considered interracial by industry standards (and of course black on black but that a topic of no interest here). At best he has 5/10 girls he can shoot with or 50% of the total available girls. [Link]
Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01	Posted - Oct 14 2014 : 9:22PM Curtom wrote: Well we don't know why Clover hasn't shot a movie himself yet. Click to expand You have already used plenty of things that you don't know to try and justify your statements in this thread. The fact still remains, the performers you decided to use as an example of performers who have limited options has already achieved a directorial credit and the performer you decided to use as an example of one who has far more options hasn't. [Link]
fredgee Deactivated User 350 Posts 12/13	Posted - Oct 15 2014 : 12:11AM MOD: You got another IR thread closed for this type of comment already. This time, your post goes. Compare things to Nazis on other sites. Not here. Edited by - flash on 10/15/2014 7:56:22 AM [Link]
a9nostic Senior Member 1056 Posts 8/08	Posted - Oct 15 2014 : 12:28AM ^ wow, Godwin's law in under 2 full pages. Un f-ing believable. [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Oct 15 2014 : 8:46AM DVDstuff wrote: I'm going to respond to this with my problem with too much of the race-play in the adult industry... FILM wise... I never got the "Milf" thing, but with performers like Juila Ann returning, and doing some things we never saw before, has been great since I rememer her older movies. I forgot which movie it is from Evil Angel, but I was watching the trailer, and it had a masked Julia Ann just getting nasty dirty with a guy. I didn't even know it was her until she took off the mask and had drool all over her face, masscre running, and just looking like she was completely into it. Then she starts eating his ass, which is just crazy and I am loving it, until .... he tells her to "get all that soul food". ...That ended it for me right there. Why the fuck do you feel it is necessary to say something that assinine is beyond me! Anyone who isn't colored blind can see that you're black and she's white. Why do you have to play on stupid stereotypes and talk about "soul food". Is that all that you eat? Do you think everyone wants to know this? This is my problem with the "racism in the industry". I didn't read the other comments so my statements may be misplaced. Click to expand Wow. Really? That one line ruined a scene for you? Of course you are intitled to feel the way you feel but I've always found it strange the number of people who don't want black people to acknowledge their race, culture or background in an IR scene. I know there are scenes that may go overboard with the strereotypical stuff but at the end of the day there are black people who acknowledge and even embrace that culture with all the slang, dress, and attitudes that come with it. Not talking about you specifically as I said in my post from before...I just find it strange that so many people want to specifically see IR sex but don't want to the performers to acknowledge that one of them is of a different race/culture. Particularly when that's perhaps the attraction to each other in the first place. I saw the scene you spoke of but didn't hear the "soul food" comment. I personally think it's great that the guy said something different than the typical "Yeah, eat that ass" or whatever. Performers need to come up with different things to say to be entertaining instaed of the say typical uninspired lines that so often uttered. Plus, in the context of that scene perhaps the backstory was that the girl is there and doing what she's doing specifically because she wanted to be with a black guy and not a guy who just happens to be black. That happens. Girls have been attracted to black men specifically because of their skin color, culture, or stereotypical traits. If it's over the top and demeaning I get that. Otherwise, I don't get why that turns off so many people watching IR scenes. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 15 2014 : 8:58AM ^ I remember Chastity Lynn and Mr Marcus (playing as an African prince or something) in White Wife Black Cock #9 at the end she swallowed and then said: it tastes of Africa Curtom wrote: 5=50% 10=100% Interracial=sex between black male & white female I can't be bothered, I'm tired. How basic do I have to speak for you to understand that 5/10 represents 50% and 10/10 represents 100%. Ignore the number itself but know that those single digit numbers represent a certain percentage like I just showed you. Now, out of 10 girls in the porn industry, only five are available at any one time to to IR scenes(of course 5 means 50% not literally 5). Lex is a man who fits the definition of a black male and is interested in shooting scenes, therefore he is only capable of shooting scenes that are considered interracial by industry standards (and of course black on black but that a topic of no interest here). At best he has 5/10 girls he can shoot with or 50% of the total available girls. Click to expand You keep bringing figures completely made up , you have yet to prove that 50% of the white girls don't do IR , I don't know how many they are , but even though I do not look for IR scenes but seek out girls instead I found out that half my porn is IR (as in ALL IR) and the most part of the other half contain IR scenes plus 80% of my favourite stars do or did IR , and consider this a great part of it is European porn , we only begun recently to make a distinction between porn and IR porn , for any Euro star ,unless she stated especially no IR, it was implied that B/G meant ANY race . Though we have very few black talents less than ten and are spread in different Countries (Edic/Eric in Russia, Joachim Kessef in France, Omar Williams in the UK , Mike Chapman in Budapest , Franco Roccaforte in Germany and Budapest, Kid Jamaica in Hungary , few of them travel) thus the most part of Euro porn is White on White.Most movies from Rocco have one or more IR scene but none of them is labelled IR , Omar Williams and Joachim Kessef had their own lines but they were seldom labelled as IR . Now they are though. So if you count all the white stars including Europeans and those once and done starlets , you may reach the figure you put up here, still this wouldn't prove anything , many Euro Stars don't even have the chance to shoot IR (Examples Roberta Gemma she only did one in Miami in ten years of porn even though she was banging Josh Stone off set all the time during the week she was there, sadly there are no pro black performers in Italy and she only performs with pro, Valentina Nappi had to go to Budapest to shoot her first, Sylvia Saint did her first in the US) But you seem to fail to understand that you cannot add numbers indefinitely as if they are real to produce an above average (not even high end) porn movie you need at least some $ 12,000 around $ 3,000 per scene if you can optimize your time and shoot the movie in a couple days with the same crew in the same location shooting 2 scenes per day. For the sake of discussion let's admit that Lex really can double his scenes if all the stars would do IR , he already issues two movies per months with 4 scenes each (they were 5 once) he already have to invest $ 24,000 per month , if you are right he should spend $ 48,000 per month. And you stated he only shoots 4 because he is denied otherwise they would have been 5 per movie , that would be $ 60,000 PER MONTH according to your figures, and I said just above average but he doesn't produce such movies he rents high level locations and books some stars in demand , so he probably spends more than my simple sums. For some reason I'm not gonna believe he would ever spend such amount The reality is that he already does 100% of what he could , if all those stars you say don't do IR all of a sudden decide to do it, he wouldn't shoot more scene nor produce more movies , either he wouldn't invest all that money at once or he doesn't have all that money to invest untill some revenues come back. Also he wouldn't flood the market with too many movies starring him , regular customers just can't but everything, if there's too much material at once they will choose and leave something behind whereas they would buy all his movies if they are issued carefully and timely maintaining him in demand. Edited by - LCF on 10/15/2014 9:03:49 AM [Link]

Curtom Deactivated User 293 Posts 8/14	Posted - Oct 15 2014 : 12:19PM Flash wrote: Curtom wrote: Well we don't know why Clover hasn't shot a movie himself yet. Click to expand You have already used plenty of things that you don't know to try and justify your statements in this thread. The fact still remains, the performers you decided to use as an example of performers who have limited options has already achieved a directorial credit and the performer you decided to use as an example of one who has far more options hasn't. Click to expand Why are you deflecting? This is a forum about racism in porn, not directorial debuts. If Rob Piper wants to shoot his own movies good luck to him, but there have been many black performs-turned-directors. Still, they will tell you racism exists and stifles attempts to be expansive and more prolific. If Lex could shoot more movies with different talent more, he would. But agents pressuring girls not to do scenes with black men hinders that. Think about it, according one study nearly 50% of girls don't perform with black men. Thats a whopping 1645 of 3500 white female pornstars! Furthermore, isn't it odd that only black men are excluded, you never ever hear girls say they won't do white guys, asian guy(s) or latin guys. Name me one, just one, girl that has refused to work white, asian or latin guys? I can name you many many girls black/white/asian/latin that have at some point refused to work with black men specifically. Statistics would suggest that white men should also be turned down for work by black, asian and latin girls as well since not all these girls are attracted to white men as they are their own men, but like I said this is a systematic exclusion of black men, no other man. That's the reason the term interracial is used to denote black men. It softens the blow of hearing 'never do black (interracial) men'. Think about what I said, in the general population, most people are attracted to their own race. So why in porn is that not evident. Surely their would be a handful of asian chicks that would turn down work with white men. But you won't be able to find one in the history of American porn, never, not one. Same can be said latin and black chicks who have worked in the industry long enough. Edited by - Curtom on 10/15/2014 12:40:21 PM Edited by - Curtom on 10/15/2014 12:47:12 PM Edited by - Curtom on 10/15/2014 12:49:19 PM [Link]
Curtom Deactivated User 293 Posts 8/14	Posted - Oct 15 2014 : 12:26PM you have yet to prove that 50% of the white girls don't do IR Click to expand Ok, is this good enough evidence. Think about it, according this study nearly 50% of girls don't perform with black men. Thats a whopping 1645 of 3500 white female pornstars! Edited by - Curtom on 10/15/2014 12:27:30 PM Edited by - Curtom on 10/15/2014 1:06:34 PM [Link]
Curtom Deactivated User 293 Posts 8/14	Posted - Oct 15 2014 : 1:07PM Bonnie Rotten always stated she will only do IR for her website much like Ava Addams And why do you think that is. Doesn't that look like a pattern to you? What she said after her scene with Prince was "I really enjoyed it, I don't know why it took me so long to do this" She worked with Prince. That's another telling pattern. For my website With Prince [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 15 2014 : 1:59PM Curtom wrote: you have yet to prove that 50% of the white girls don't do IR Click to expand Ok, is this good enough evidence. Think about it, according this study nearly 50% of girls don't perform with black men. Thats a whopping 1645 of 3500 white female pornstars! Click to expand You do realize it's complete bullshit don't you? There's no reference whatsoever to confirm the result nor to allow to counter it As I already pointed it out, what are those 10,000 pornstars? Do you know how many pornstars do one scene or two and then quit? Did he count them too? Did he count those who do Lesbian only? Did he make a distinction between the stars? Like those who worked one day , those with a long term career , those who are under contract. For example you should know that Alexis Ford almost dated only black guys in her real life , her family basically disowned her because of that , yet she stayed 5 years as no IR performer , why? she was under contract and wicked did not shoot her in IR scenes , mind you Wicked does shoot IR scenes and even entire IR movies , they just never shot any IR with her. Sophia Santi was equally a no IR performer when at Digital Playground as soon as she was free she signed with Justin Slayer Capri Cavanni stayed with Brazzers for years and they never shot an IR with her He made a study only considering mere numbers without any relation between them Also he seemed bothered enough not only about those do or don't IR but also WHEN which has nothing to do with his study, also IAFD is not a reliable source many IR movies aren't even tagged as such Furthermore there are performers who do IR but only on their websites for example Ava Addams or Danielle Delaunay who result no IR at IAFD plus I can mention some performers who aren't even mentioned at IAFD Fonda Black/Riley Brookes (no to be confused with Riley Brooks) who only performed IR on websites much like Jennifer Ashton to name a couple , also Mikky Lynn isn't mentioned , they have only one Julie Wilson the other one who only performed IR isn't mentioned And as much as I won't consider those one and done for websites who didn't IR I wouldn't put in those one and done who only did an IR scene Mind you I'm not even trying hard , those are just names I know about, but there are a lot more Edited by - LCF on 10/15/2014 3:15:38 PM [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 15 2014 : 2:03PM Curtom wrote: most people are attracted to their own race. Click to expand That goes with blacks too, is this a crime? [Link]
Curtom Deactivated User 293 Posts 8/14	Posted - Oct 15 2014 : 6:51PM LCF wrote: Curtom wrote: most people are attracted to their own race. Click to expand That goes with blacks too, is this a crime? Click to expand No, but come on man clearly this is peculiar that only black men are turned down, not one single asian/black/latina girl has ever refused to work with a whole race of people. This is unprecedented. [Link]
Curtom Deactivated User 293 Posts 8/14	Posted - Oct 15 2014 : 6:54PM You do realize it's complete bullshit don't you? There's no reference whatsoever to confirm the result nor to allow to counter it As I already pointed it out, what are those 10,000 pornstars? Do you know how many pornstars do one scene or two and then quit? Did he count them too? Did he count those who do Lesbian only? Did he make a distinction between the stars? Like those who worked one day , those with a long term career , those who are under contract. Click to expand Really? I think this is a study is extensive and thorough. It's the only study of it's kind. If you can reference a better study, please feel free to show me. [Link]
Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01	Posted - Oct 15 2014 : 9:37PM Curtom wrote: This is a forum about racism in porn, not directorial debuts Click to expand Oh my bad. I've always assumed that racism meant that you felt that a race was not as superior to your own. In that context being able to move up in the industry by getting additional and more attention getting jobs would be an example against racism. I failed to realize we were going by a narrow definition of the word to suit your needs, which probably ought to be provided to everyone participating so that they know the rules. When I think of racism this is what comes to mind. [Image not found DB] Under such context, the directorial credit would be incredibly valid. So please, do enlighten as to the definition of racism that you are following. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 16 2014 : 4:49AM Curtom wrote: LCF wrote: Curtom wrote: most people are attracted to their own race. Click to expand That goes with blacks too, is this a crime? Click to expand No, but come on man clearly this is peculiar that only black men are turned down, not one single asian/black/latina girl has ever refused to work with a whole race of people. This is unprecedented. Click to expand Being attracted by one's own race means not attracted by the others in your OP you yourself put there a black performer who decided to refuse all races but black , also do you see any study or anybody bothering on how many stars never performed with a Latino nor an Asian, nobody cares actually nobody does any study about that, but if a star doesn't do IR but do fuck a Latino then without considering those who don't do any of those , all of a sudden people notice they do Latinos but not blacks , funny thing though because if a Latino doesn't do IR she's not counted as Latino but as White. Also there's only one Asian performer it's Keny Styles and he's working a lot less than Rob Piper not to mention Lex , but , of course, nobody gives a fuck to this , an Asian stars who refuses to perform IR with either blacks or whites will last possibly just a couple scenes only , if any. Asians work even less than blacks , but of course no crusader would give a fuck, they're just Asians after all. I don't know how many Latino girls refused to do IR , I don't pay attention wheter one girl is Latino or not, I don't care but I do have some names who didn't any IR in their career such as Melanie and Valerie Rios both retired but there are others , I don't pay attention to Asians as a race there are many I like , but we've been lucky Alina Li shot at least one IR scene (with the shunned and denied Lex go figure) before she quit otherwise you would have had an Asian who didn't any iR , I may do a study on this too, but as I said I'm only replying out of memory , it's already more than enough. Also I put some names above, names of performers who only work with blacks , there are a lot more of them if you like those performers are actually not only refusing an entire race, but more than one. but of course this is not a problem to you (it's not for me , their choice, their right to choose whoever they want to fuck) Edited by - LCF on 10/16/2014 5:25:22 AM [Link]
WideAngle Senior Member GAMBO192 1367 Posts 9/11	Posted - Oct 16 2014 : 5:10AM Damn guys you are still living in a 19th century society over there in the US.... [Link]

LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 16 2014 : 5:22AM ^ I don't think so, but many like to present it that way Curtom wrote: You do realize it's complete bullshit don't you? There's no reference whatsoever to confirm the result nor to allow to counter it As I already pointed it out, what are those 10,000 pornstars? Do you know how many pornstars do one scene or two and then quit? Did he count them too? Did he count those who do Lesbian only? Did he make a distinction between the stars? Like those who worked one day , those with a long term career , those who are under contract. Click to expand Really? I think this is a study is extensive and thorough. It's the only study of it's kind. If you can reference a better study, please feel free to show me. Click to expand It is not , actually it has so many flows it could be even called out as made up with a purpose, doesn't matter it is the only study, a unique mistake doesn't make it right just because it's the only one. He counts basically every girls not removing those who only did one scene or two, those aren't just refusing IR they are refusing everything they only made the number grow and exaggerate the result. He didn't remove those who only perform in lesbian sex , by your definition (to which I do not agree but this is not the point) IR is black male/white female , so any lesbian should be removed because she doesn't perform with males thus cannot even perform IR. Furthermore a lesbian scene features TWO women which would double the number of those who don't do IR even though they should be removed. If I pick up three lesbians and a white girl who never did IR I could easily demonstrate that 100% of white girl refuses IR , he didn't do this because it would have been very apparent the kind of bullshit it is, but he went VERY close to that just by leaving in lesbians , and I'm not sure he removed the black girls either He also considered as no IR those who actually did for websites but not on movies He only used one source , which isn't good for any actual study , IAFD isn't a bad source but you can't rely on it, there's a number of movies who are IR but are not labeled as such , the most incredible example is Austin Taylor , from IAFD results her percentage of IR movies would be around 40% but if you do a thorough check on them you will find they are over 70% , many movies and scenes aren't tagged IR , two examples Black Assassin and Austin XXXposed 2 , but there are more. That is why any study need more sources to cross-check the data , otherwise is just bullshit He's not alone though there's a number of studies and surveys who are equally made up, they get credit only because most of those reading have no knowledge about how a proper statistic must be made or have an agenda and only take into account the data they need to prove their statements discarding the rest Any and I repeat , ANY serious study must give a proper description of its sample, an explanation on why that is the sample, a description about the composition of the sample, a differentiation of categories. Today's porn is different from that of thirty years ago tu put in data mixing years will mess up the result , this way you may even affirm that anal is a rare thing in porn , it was, but no more, today there's a lot more IR than it was thirty years ago, any serious survey should take this into account , to figure out what it is now. He didn't seem to have done any of this Edited by - LCF on 10/16/2014 5:33:04 AM [Link]
Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01	Posted - Oct 16 2014 : 8:05AM The average human has one breast and one testicle. -Des McHale Click to expand Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable. (Author Unknown) Click to expand Statistics can be made to prove anything - even the truth. (Author Unknown) Click to expand [Link]
Curtom Deactivated User 293 Posts 8/14	Posted - Oct 16 2014 : 9:53AM Flash wrote: Curtom wrote: This is a forum about racism in porn, not directorial debuts Click to expand Oh my bad. I've always assumed that racism meant that you felt that a race was not as superior to your own. In that context being able to move up in the industry by getting additional and more attention getting jobs would be an example against racism. I failed to realize we were going by a narrow definition of the word to suit your needs, which probably ought to be provided to everyone participating so that they know the rules. When I think of racism this is what comes to mind. [Image not found DB] Under such context, the directorial credit would be incredibly valid. So please, do enlighten as to the definition of racism that you are following. Click to expand Racism /ˈreɪsɪz(ə)m/ noun the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. Now why would that be any different than what's going on in porn. The agents spread racist myths about black men and only black men. They never tell the ladies not to work with white/asian/latin men, period. They specifically target black men. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 16 2014 : 12:40PM ^ I still don't know who those agents are [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Oct 16 2014 : 12:57PM Gambo192 wrote: Damn guys you are still living in a 19th century society over there in the US.... Click to expand LCF wrote: ^ I don't think so, but many like to present it that way Click to expand While recognizing that real progress has been made I wouldn't exaggerate the degree to which racism has been eroded. It's still widespread. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 16 2014 : 1:08PM ^ I'm not saying it disappeared , but luckily the situation improved I guess, at least compared to the XIX century [Link]
WideAngle Senior Member GAMBO192 1367 Posts 9/11	Posted - Oct 16 2014 : 3:35PM of course I was hyping, but.... the not-existent health care system, the racial issues, the wide free use of weapons.... The colonization time is over, guys.... [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 16 2014 : 4:08PM ^ Are you implying that there are no racial issues in Europe? You know as well as I do that this is surely not the case , actually racist and xenophobic parties are raising and growing. As for medical care , non existent is a too exaggerated a word , you mean almost non existent FREE medical care Well such thing doesn't exist even in Europe , you pay taxes , an awful lot of them,our VAT alone averages 20% whereas in the USA when existing is no more than 9% As for weapons , it's a constitutional right of self defence [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Oct 16 2014 : 8:27PM Curtom wrote: Now why would that be any different than what's going on in porn. The agents spread racist myths about black men and only black men. They never tell the ladies not to work with white/asian/latin men, period. They specifically target black men. Click to expand What "racist myths" are agents speading and telling girls exactly? [Link]
Curtom Deactivated User 293 Posts 8/14	Posted - Oct 17 2014 : 12:02AM Draxxx wrote: Curtom wrote: Now why would that be any different than what's going on in porn. The agents spread racist myths about black men and only black men. They never tell the ladies not to work with white/asian/latin men, period. They specifically target black men. Click to expand What "racist myths" are agents speading and telling girls exactly? Click to expand Shooting (white/asian/latin women) scenes with black men will: hurt your career lower your value lose work with white companies/directors sever your fanbase IR movies are routinely portray black men as: inherently violent and aggressive thugs and criminals lacking in education sexual predators of white women having sexual organs that are abnormally larger that white men insulting and disrespectful and lacking in etiquette (towards women) [Link]

misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Oct 17 2014 : 12:20AM ^Current IR films do not generally portray black men as: inherently violent and aggressive lacking in education (this is never even discussed in most IR scenes) *sexual predators of white women (the men in IR scenes are no more depicted as predators than men in non-IR scenes) I agree that IR scenes usually do depict black men as "having sexual organs that are abnormally larger that white men." I don't see a lot of IR scenes today in which black men are depicted as criminals. If you're using "thugs" as a synonym for the stereotypical ghetto persona, and not in a literal sense, then yes, that's still common. I'd like you to clarify what you mean by "insulting and disrespectful and lacking in etiquette (towards women)." [Link]
Curtom Deactivated User 293 Posts 8/14	Posted - Oct 17 2014 : 12:49AM misspornUSA wrote: ^Current IR films do not generally portray black men as: inherently violent and aggressive lacking in education (this is never even discussed in most IR scenes) *sexual predators of white women (the men in IR scenes are no more depicted as predators than men in non-IR scenes) I agree that IR scenes usually do depict black men as "having sexual organs that are abnormally larger that white men." I don't see a lot of IR scenes today in which black men are depicted as criminals. If you're using "thugs" as a synonym for the stereotypical ghetto persona, and not in a literal sense, then yes, that's still common. I'd like you to clarify what you mean by "insulting and disrespectful and lacking in etiquette (towards women)." Click to expand Wesley Pipes Edited by - Curtom on 10/17/2014 12:49:37 AM [Link]
Curtom Deactivated User 293 Posts 8/14	Posted - Oct 17 2014 : 12:54AM What if black women don't do IR Porn / My RANT about IR Porn! Edited by - Curtom on 10/17/2014 7:08:34 AM Edited by - Curtom on 10/17/2014 7:13:24 AM [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Oct 17 2014 : 1:52AM ^^Since you didn't say, I'm going to assume that "Wesley Pipes" is your clarification. I don't see anything especially disrespectful of or insulting towards women in Wesley's performances. Of course, even if I did agree with your opinion of him, conclusions about an entire genre cannot be reached after evaluating only one performer. Wesley isn't in the majority of IR scenes. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 17 2014 : 8:42AM Curtom wrote: Draxxx wrote: Curtom wrote: Now why would that be any different than what's going on in porn. The agents spread racist myths about black men and only black men. They never tell the ladies not to work with white/asian/latin men, period. They specifically target black men. Click to expand What "racist myths" are agents speading and telling girls exactly? Click to expand Shooting (white/asian/latin women) scenes with black men will: hurt your career lower your value lose work with white companies/directors sever your fanbase IR movies are routinely portray black men as: inherently violent and aggressive thugs and criminals lacking in education sexual predators of white women having sexual organs that are abnormally larger that white men insulting and disrespectful and lacking in etiquette (towards women) Click to expand for the first part actually it is not a myth , plus all those parts are related together , there are directors who seldom shoot IR possibly only to prove themselves not racist but when you find those directors have possibly 1 or 2% of IR scenes and didn't shoot any in 3 years then maybe they have a issue with Blacks , they may not want to hire those who do IR, hence there will be a lack of work which may not hurt the big names but would definitely hurt the newcomers. The less you work the lower your demand , the lower your demand the less your value , so yes if you are a newcomer and have yet to gain a status you may experience difficulties to get bookings thus you will be seen scarcely and be requested even less , your value drops down.Also must be remembered that non IR scenes are overwhelmingly more than IR scenes , it is there where the big money runs. All of this may be provoked or even enhanced by racist agents who wont to make a point toward the other actresses he represents. It's not unheard of stars losing a significant part of their followers because they did IR, those followers are also those who buy their movies , those who buy them gifts from their wishlists and buy webcam time because they feel related. So yes doing IR may hurt a star. Those who made the life changing choice of entering in porn, may fear this , they're not established , have no enough experience in the industry and are gullible because they have to trust those who give them advice which sometimes aren't to be trusted. If you say that generally speaking to do IR doesn't hurt anybody, well statistically speaking it doesn't most porn consumers don't care but statistic means that if I have 1 million and you have nothing we have $ 500,000 each , so I assume nobody wants to be in the nothing part of such statistics, that includes porn For the second part , there a great part of IR porn who shows abusive or aggressive sex by blacks , but not always , Mandingo never does , Sean Michaels never does, I can't remember any such scenes from CJ Wright or Tee Reel to name a few Not even Wesley Pipes is always like that, also you have to make a distinction between spoken words and actual behaviour during the scenes, Wesley talks a lot , but also kisses a lot and I can't recall a scene from him with spanks, slaps , spits and such, he seldom pulls hair even. So you should be more specific when talking about him being aggressive out of line, of course if he plays a role you cannot count that. It's the role. [Link]
Curtom Deactivated User 293 Posts 8/14	Posted - Oct 17 2014 : 2:12PM for the first part actually it is not a myth Click to expand These are myths perpetuated by agents. For the second part , there a great part of IR porn who shows abusive or aggressive sex by blacks , but not always , Mandingo never does , Sean Michaels never does, I can't remember any such scenes from CJ Wright or Tee Reel to name a few Not even Wesley Pipes is always like that, also you have to make a distinction between spoken words and actual behaviour during the scenes, Wesley talks a lot , but also kisses a lot and I can't recall a scene from him with spanks, slaps , spits and such, he seldom pulls hair even. Click to expand White men in porn are far more likely to engage in aggressive sex with their co-star. But this generally gets a pass. Thats why blacks portrayed as thug-like is truly a myth. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 17 2014 : 2:54PM ^ A myth is something not true but believed so , there are stars who have been hurt by doing IR , there are stars who lost half their followers (and customers) when they begun to do IR , there are stars who get attacked by some and even threatened when they begun to do IR. And there are stars whose agent basically wiped them out of porn when they did IR So it's not a myth , this seldom happen to established stars they were mostly newbies , you don't even hear of them , or you don't even understand what hit them, I can mention a number of stars who did less than ten scenes and nothing more , most of them quit right after or short after they did IR , I can't prove that was because of that, but really there's a an awful lot of them. As for the thug myth , I ask why a myth? Maybe you meant stereotype , but myth? thugs exist Edited by - LCF on 10/17/2014 2:56:34 PM [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Oct 17 2014 : 4:07PM Curtom wrote: White men in porn are far more likely to engage in aggressive sex with their co-star. But this generally gets a pass. Thats why blacks portrayed as thug-like is truly a myth. Click to expand I disagree with your assessment. Do you watch much "aggressive" porn? Last I checked, most of the big names in aggressive onscreen sex like James Deen, Toni Ribas, Mr. Pete, Manuel Ferrera, Nacho Vidal, etc. are not black. I suggest you watch a few gangbangs that feature both non-black and black men. See some of Mason's work for example. Rarely are the black men the most aggressive ones. [Link]
negrine Member 102 Posts 9/09	Posted - Oct 17 2014 : 5:17PM LCF wrote: So it's not a myth , this seldom happen to established stars they were mostly newbies , you don't even hear of them , or you don't even understand what hit them, I can mention a number of stars who did less than ten scenes and nothing more , most of them quit right after or short after they did IR , I can't prove that was because of that, but really there's a an awful lot of them. Edited by - LCF on 10/17/2014 2:56:34 PM Click to expand How is that assumption any less speculative than any random IR fan assuming racist intent on those whom do not perform IR? There has always been a high turnover (quit) rate for porn newbies, regardless of their policies of performing IR. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 17 2014 : 5:33PM ^ As I said I have no proof unless the girls themselves say why , could be a mere coincidence , strange enough though it repeat herself often , a star just begins to do porn does 4 scenes , does an IR scene disappear, another does 9 scenes a couple IR , quit . another three scenes two of them IR , out of porn. Some other stars who were regular at IR or even extremely friendly to it , at one point ceased completely and even removed IR from their availability , some may wonder why. The drop of followers has been referred several times usually preceded by insulting messages or even threatening ones. Nobody ever talks about such performers ,they never reached the lights. Anyway I'm not saying they all were shown the door because they did IR, yet they are numerous enough to give some suspect that at least some of them were. I'm one of the first to defend those stars who don't do IR because this doesn't mean they are racists , yet I wouldn't dare to say none of them is , I'm pretty sure some of them are actually racists , but we can't say for sure who only because they don't do IR for whatever reason. wouldn't say all those who quit after performing IR did so because of that, I'm merely saying it's not a myth , some of them did quit exactly because of this. For example I don't know for sure what happened nor if she is on hiatus or what, but did you see any new scenes of Natasha White after her two for Blacked? This is not just a newbie , this is a rising starlet in demand, or was probably Edited by - LCF on 10/17/2014 5:49:19 PM [Link]
negrine Member 102 Posts 9/09	Posted - Oct 17 2014 : 6:00PM ^ ...fair enough. Edited by - negrine on 10/17/2014 6:10:08 PM [Link]
ControlFreak Member At the end of the day, it is what it is. 629 Posts 12/09	Posted - Oct 17 2014 : 6:37PM I've spoken to people who don't really follow porn or are very out of touch with current events in porn. In my experience, such people (of any color) are usually taken a by surprise when I tell them how things are set up with regards to black males. In my mind, that means the system in porn is an oddity in the context of modern society. A black dude that looks like he could be cast on a daytime soap opera will not be surprised if he gets charged less by a white Vegas bunny ranch girl than a white guy that looks like a bum. That's modern society. The porn thing doesn't represent modern society. A blindfolded gonzo girl who takes 15 guys blindfolded is put in a different category if 1 of the dicks is attached to a dude that is considered black. Or she might refuse the scene all together if its not 14 non-black dicks. [Link]
ControlFreak Member At the end of the day, it is what it is. 629 Posts 12/09	Posted - Oct 17 2014 : 6:38PM x sorry double post Edited by - ControlFreak on 10/17/2014 6:38:53 PM [Link]
Quorrl Senior Member 2835 Posts 3/11	Posted - Oct 17 2014 : 6:44PM misspornUSA wrote: Curtom wrote: White men in porn are far more likely to engage in aggressive sex with their co-star. But this generally gets a pass. Thats why blacks portrayed as thug-like is truly a myth. Click to expand I disagree with your assessment. Do you watch much "aggressive" porn? Last I checked, most of the big names in aggressive onscreen sex like James Deen, Toni Ribas, Mr. Pete, Manuel Ferrera, Nacho Vidal, etc. are not black. I suggest you watch a few gangbangs that feature both non-black and black men. See some of Mason's work for example. Rarely are the black men the most aggressive ones. Click to expand Well... isn't that exactly what Curtom said? [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Oct 17 2014 : 8:16PM I miss scipio [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Oct 17 2014 : 9:12PM ^I guess I should have been clearer that I was pointing out that he's contradicting his earlier post. Curtom wrote: IR movies are routinely portray black men as: *inherently violent and aggressive Click to expand Edited by - misspornUSA on 10/17/2014 9:13:22 PM Edited by - misspornUSA on 10/17/2014 9:13:46 PM [Link]