Racism in Porn: The forum for real talk (page 4)

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LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 19 2014 : 5:24PM Asians are railroad way worse than that, try to compare Keni Styles work to that of ANY black performer Also what do you want a performer to do put IR on her file and then pray night and day in order to not be paired with wild ones? [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 19 2014 : 5:26PM Curtom wrote: Which stars 'disappeared'? Click to expand I provided a link , put names in their search engine you will find out yourself [Link]
Curtom Deactivated User 293 Posts 8/14	Posted - Oct 19 2014 : 5:27PM None of us is conflicted but you don't seem to know what being a contract star means , they work less , in less demanding scenes and are paid more , have to represent the company at events and signing days , during all the contract time they don't have to look for work it comes in by itself. Like ANY pornstar in the business they want everything they could get , but mostly money, being a contract star gives you ,money, fame exposition over the media and other opportunities you won't get otherwise. Unless you think that the maximum ambition of a pornstar is to win an anal award taking Mandingo and Danny D up the ass in DAP Click to expand Well, part of fame is winning awards which the industry recognizes, what do you awards shows are for? [Link]
Curtom Deactivated User 293 Posts 8/14	Posted - Oct 19 2014 : 5:32PM LCF wrote: ^ Isn't discrimination toward gay or bisexuals a discrimination all the same? A lesbian actress has been harassed as racist and sexist because she refused to work with a transsexual whom they considered female but not her Anyway my point was that there are guys who are rejected thus have a lack of opportunities but this seems to bother nobody Edited by - LCF on 10/19/2014 5:01:41 PM Click to expand If a gay-for-pay performer is doing gay scenes for money, he is choosing to do scenes even though he isn't actually gay. Now if he wanted to do straight scenes but he gets rejected, that's partly his fault. He could have avoided that. Like I said in the earlier post, the straight side rejects them for a reason. [Link]

LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 19 2014 : 5:35PM ^ If a real bisexual star does both though it's not his fault , not his choice , the reason would be accepted if they perform bareback, but many of those didn't . also some of them ceased performing gay for pay years ago,but they are rejected regardless there's no reason for that. It's discrimination ^^ to sell more? I mean Sunny Leone won a best anal once and she did just one as opposed to those made by anal veterans such as Dana DeArmond for example I did provide the link above so that you may see yourself,if I'm right this would be proof of what you claim, there would be something wrong in the Industry and it's active , and is what is preventing some stars from doing stuff they would do with no problem or are even already doing privately. Edited by - LCF on 10/19/2014 5:39:31 PM [Link]
Curtom Deactivated User 293 Posts 8/14	Posted - Oct 19 2014 : 5:47PM If a real bisexual star does both though it's not his fault , not his choice , the reason would be accepted if they perform bareback, but many of those didn't . also some of them ceased performing gay for pay years ago,but they are rejected regardless there's no reason for that. It's discrimination? Click to expand Who was not allowed back even after ceasing gay-for-pay? [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 19 2014 : 5:56PM As far as I know there are stars who refuse to work with either Chris Strokes or Danny D of course their size would be a convincing argument maybe even true for some , but not all also Danny is under Contract with Brazzers not every star work with them so it's not very apparent, still... [Link]
Dre AKA NigSquid Member 726 Posts 9/14	Posted - Oct 19 2014 : 6:26PM Draxxx wrote: All girls don't get paid more for IR scenes. Some girls ony get it for their first time only. Some girls may only get more money for it from certain directors. Some girls may get it every time if the director thinks she worth the extra money. Maybe she did it once and it worked out well for the director and he/she is willing to pay more to coax the girl into doing it again. There are different situations for different people. But what I keep seeing is people on this board keep saying white girls get paid more for IR like it applies to all white girls for all IR scenes like it's a porn standard. It isn't. Some people use a girl charging more for a IR scene as an excuse for them to ome down on them like they're horrible for doing so or that the porn biz is unfairly racist for allowing this to happen. In many or most cases it's a simple business decision. A business decision that fans don't need to be so concerned with. Click to expand I know it's different for everyone, I'm strictly talking about the practice of charging more for an IR scene everytime instead of just raising your overall rate for scenes. Then again some girls are just playing the game which is fair(but it's still a racist practice) Dani Daniels We don't have to agree with it but we must accept that this what some people want to see. It's not a crime and it's not hurting anyone so what's the point of worrying about it. Click to expand I beg to differ, black actors and actresses don't get the same work opportunities as their white counter parts based on this very issue. I know what to tell you. The girls you name have made their choice. I don't see it as right or wrong...it's simply their choice. I seems to be working out fine for them so I imagine they'll stick with it for the time being. Perhaps they'll never do an IR scene. Pehaps they have no problem doing the intense stuff or even like it but have no burning desire to do IR. Maybe at some point that will change...maybe not. Every girl is different and so is their business model. Doing lots of IR works well for girls like Lisa Ann and she's happy with her choices. Not doing IR works for the girls you name and they seem to be doing okay. When a girl enters porn there isn't a checklist of sex acts they have to perform and people they have to work with. They all steer their career based on what they want to do and when they think it's best to do it and the type of pornstar they want to be. Fans may not agree but it's not their choices to make. Click to expand Any actress has the right to do whatever they want, we don't disagree here. However if the demand is high and a girl turns down every oppurtunity to do it then I would have cause for concern. Some don't do it because they content doing what they do and the whole IR thing seems to such a big deal to some and not worth the hassle to deal with so they just avoid it. And of course...some girls just don't want to do IR at all. Click to expand The hassle being? I'm prety sure no girl enters the biz with the intention of catering to racist fans. Click to expand You mentioned a girl wanting to maintain a certain image. "Some don't do IR because they want to be perceived as a certain type of pornstar and only want to shoot for the high end studios that don't do the usual Gonzo type stuff." All IR isn't gonzo. The "vanilla" audience I speak of as far as I can tell like watching the prettiest girls with the nicer looking guys having more conservative sex with some sort of story attached with higher production values. They don't seem to mind IR sex from time to time but don't seem to want it on a steady regular basis. I don't think that audience is demanding to see more IR in numbers big enough to make those studios do maore than they already do. Click to expand If the stigma of stereotypical IR doesn't appeal to this audience, then seeing an a girl do "vanilla" type IR scene shouldn't matter to anyone. I do understand that not many black actors are hired for those types of scenes however(different issue in itself). @NigSquid Edited by - dre AKA nigsquid on 10/20/2014 7:38:57 PM [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Oct 20 2014 : 9:58PM Curtom wrote: Calm down. When I say it's not exclusive to porn I meant that people from all walks of life do the same thing and judge an entire race based on the actions of a few. It happens with all races. Not just blacks. Not just in porn. But thanks for making it very clear that you're quick to judge people harshly that you know very little about. Edited by - draxxx on 10/19/2014 10:42:36 AM Click to expand Sir, yoy are being very disingenuous with the argument at hand. I'm talking about racism porn, black men are the ones getting railroaded by the industry, their the only ones that have to accept being second class citizens in this industry. I'll say it once more, and only once more, white/latin/asian men are NEVER declined work because of their race/ethnicity, and furthermore a whole racial/ethnic group are not singled out for the poor behaviour on set of a few, other than black men. Click to expand Sigh...Okay, lets try this again...I know black men get discriminated in porn. I know that there are times when the actions of one or a few cause some to judge all of them unfairly. Not only do I know this but I clearly gave 2 examples of it in the original post. When I said "not just porn" I meant that's the way some people think all over. Not just porn. In everyday life. I wasn't referring to other races in porn. Yeah, most of the time other races in porn don't have to deal with it. I'm not disagreeing with you for the sake of disagreeing. I just don't agree with it to the extent that you do and trying to point out there are reasons why things the way they are and they aren't as cut and dry or black and white as you seem to believe they are. The biggest difference in our perspective is I think a lot of the way blacks are cast and deligated come from the porn veiwing audience and economic raesons. What I'm getting from you is there's just a bunch of white people in porn just happily treating blacks badly because they see them as lesser human beings or they just don't like them. There may be people like that in porn but I don't think they're as common as you seem to think. [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Oct 20 2014 : 10:05PM Curtom wrote: Well, part of fame is winning awards which the industry recognizes, what do you awards shows are for? Click to expand Awards are given because of the performance in a particular scene. There are girls who've won awards that weren't really famous or became famous because they won an award. There are also girls who've one very few or no awards but are famous without them. [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Oct 20 2014 : 10:31PM Dre AKA NigSquid wrote: I know it's different for everyone, I'm strictly talking about the practice of charging more for an IR scene everytime instead of just raising your overall rate for scenes. Then again some girls are just playing the game which is fair(but it's still a racist practice) Dani Daniels Click to expand I've given my opinion on this. You don't agree. That's fine. Any actress has the right to do whatever they want, we don't disagree here. However if the demand is high and a girl turns down every oppurtunity to do it then I would have cause for concern. Click to expand Why be concerned? She's free to manage her career any way she wants to. If she doesn't want to bang blacks guys there aren't any porn laws to force her. What exactly is going on that you need to be concerned with? I'm not trying to be funny. A girl comes into porn and decides she doesn't want to fuck a black guy...why is that such an issue for you? I honestly don't get it. You mentioned a girl wanting to maintain a certain image. "Some don't do IR because they want to be perceived as a certain type of pornstar and only want to shoot for the high end studios that don't do the usual Gonzo type stuff." All IR isn't gonzo. Click to expand There are girls who enter or have entered porn who think if they follow the Jenna Jameson porn blueprint they'll get a contract be a contract girl don't have to work and hussle so hard and that studio/company will promote them to porn fame. Jenna, Tera Patrick, Stormy Daniels, Jesse Jane are all that type of pornstar. None of them do the hardcore stuff, none of them do IR, all of them have movies that feature them, the studio treats them well because they've invested in them, they have contracts and have more control who they work with. Who said all IR is Gonzo? I don't remember anyone saying that. But it's very obvious the majority of IR scenes are Gonzo. [Link]
Dre AKA NigSquid Member 726 Posts 9/14	Posted - Oct 21 2014 : 12:45AM Draxxx wrote: Why be concerned? She's free to manage her career any way she wants to. If she doesn't want to bang blacks guys there aren't any porn laws to force her. What exactly is going on that you need to be concerned with? I'm not trying to be funny. A girl comes into porn and decides she doesn't want to fuck a black guy...why is that such an issue for you? I honestly don't get it. Click to expand Performers should be judged based off of performance and not skin color. If a girl were to put all black performers on "their no list" simply because they're black is(not only disturbing to me personally) extremely dismissive. That means black performers of a Lex Steele or Prince caliber are dismissed, but a new coming "Joe Schmo" is fine? All that definitely rubs me the wrong way, but it looks like we can agree to disagree. Let's be clear too I don't stay up all night racking my brain on this subject, it's just something that I disagree with every time it's brought up. If this is truly a job, then the refusal to work with someone based on skin color is by definition racism in the workplace. Also the demonetization or stereotyping of a race of people by a company for monetary gain is also racism. I'm not trying to stand on a high horse here by any means. I take it how I can get it and watch scenes that portray these stereotypes but simply for the sex alone, all the extra theatrics I don't really care for because it's all fantasy at the end of the day. @NigSquid [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 21 2014 : 6:27AM ^ when they stereotype a thug they also stereotype a girl and many times a man, unless you really think all whites aren't able to fuck and are eager to see their girls fucked by black men. [Link]
Curtom Deactivated User 293 Posts 8/14	Posted - Oct 21 2014 : 9:22AM Performers should be judged based off of performance and not skin color. If a girl were to put all black performers on "their no list" simply because they're black is(not only disturbing to me personally) extremely dismissive. That means black performers of a Lex Steele or Prince caliber are dismissed, but a new coming "Joe Schmo" is fine? .......refusal to work with someone based on skin color is by definition racism in the workplace. Click to expand Brilliantly delivered!!! [Link]

LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 21 2014 : 9:35AM A sex worker aka a female performer does not judge another performer , they barely watch porn , and their perspective is different from that of the viewer . each performers performs for the camera , what really matters for them , is comfortability. A star who is not comfortable will provide a bad scene no matter how right or wrong she is. [Link]
Dre AKA NigSquid Member 726 Posts 9/14	Posted - Oct 21 2014 : 1:09PM LCF wrote: ^ when they stereotype a thug they also stereotype a girl and many times a man, unless you really think all whites aren't able to fuck and are eager to see their girls fucked by black men. Click to expand I never alluded to this in the slightest. It goes both ways. [Link]
Bill66 Deactivated User 56 Posts 10/14	Posted - Oct 26 2014 : 2:16PM I'm talking about racism porn, black men are the ones getting railroaded by the industry, their the only ones that have to accept being second class citizens in this industry Click to expand This is nonsense mate. Go to any porn website there is always a "black" section. There is no white section, it would not be aloud!! How many websites are there featuring black men with white women? Loads and loads. How many with white men and black women... hardly any. Even though many black chicks dig big dick white guys. And what about all those racist interracial scenes featuring black men trying to humiliate white men going they have small dicks? And no it's not just in the cuckold scenes, they even do those sorts of comments in all their scenes now. But you don't see big dick white men in porn doing this to black men do you? Such a thing would not be aloud... even though there is no difference between penis length and races, there is small and big dick in all races. I understand there is a fetish market for that sort of thing but you get my point, we rarely ever see a cuckold scene with a small black dicked guy, it is always the other way round... But take for example the first cuckold video on dogfart featuring a small black dick guy with Criss Strokes and Anna Foxxx. There were people complaining it was offensive even though there was nothing offensive in that scene... remember that Shane Diesel, Rico Strong etc have been doing those sorts of scenes for years and years saying really racist stuff to white men in their scenes... lol. They can get away with it though, a white dude couldn't. If anyone is being railroaded in the industry it is not black men. Look at websites like "blacked", you can get "black" in the title. Imagine "Whited" it would not be aloud... there are dvd series called "black owned" but white owned would not be aloud would it? Go onto any porn website like Jules Jordan or Evil Angel etc it always says "BIG" Black dick in the description or BBC, yet when there's a big dick white guy doing a scene they rarely ever put "Big" White dick or BWC in the description. I could go on and on lol. And look at Lex Steele, Mandingo, Sean Michaels they are all household names amongst porn viewers, who has heard of big dick white guys like William Wood, Danny D, White Pony, Mark Ashley, Keiran Lee or Clover? Lol. Nowhere as near as many. We are all human at the end of the day and I am sorry racism exists but your claim about the black man in porn being railed is not true... if anything it is the other way round. Websites like tumblr have millions and millions of blog dedicated to BBC with white women and insulting white men with really racist horrible comments like claiming the BBC will wipe out the white mans seed etc, but as soon as someone creates a blog for big white cocks BWC with white women or tributes to big dick asian or indian men etc without any type of racism, they are still harassed or called racist... lol. Edited by - bill66 on 10/26/2014 2:17:21 PM [Link]
killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08	Posted - Oct 26 2014 : 3:03PM ^ I think you're missing something here. The fantasy of the tiny white girl with the big black man is, for the most part, a fantasy held by white customers, not black ones. (Yes, there are exceptions of course.) When you see a site called "Blacked", that is catering to white audiences. If it was catering to black audiences, it wouldn't be called "Blacked", it would just be called "ed". Because it would be assumed that they were black. It wouldn't need to be said. All of the cuckold fantasy sites are catering to white people. The black man exists in those scenes only to satisfy the white man's desire to see a girl be 'extra naughty' by having sex with a black guy. That's why a vanilla scene with a black guy is considered more extreme than a rough sex scene or an anal scene with a white guy. Girls will often hold out much longer before doing a run-of-the-mill b/g IR scene, even after they've done 3somes, anal and who knows what else with white guys. How many girls have done gangbangs with white guys but never touched a black guy, even for a blowjob? A lot of them. This wouldn't happen the other way around. Why? Because working with black guys is seen, for many both inside and outside the industry, as the most degrading thing a girl could do. The most extreme. The most naughty. The most perverse. It's not so much about black male talent getting railroaded or not (though some of them may have been railroaded, I can't say); it's about the entire concept of white women with black men being so naughty that it is desired in the extreme in some cases, and reviled in the extreme in others. Neither is healthy. [Link]
Bill66 Deactivated User 56 Posts 10/14	Posted - Oct 26 2014 : 3:49PM The fantasy of the tiny white girl with the big black man is, for the most part, a fantasy held by white customers, not black ones. (Yes, there are exceptions of course.) When you see a site called "Blacked", that is catering to white audiences. If it was catering to black audiences, it wouldn't be called "Blacked", it would just be called "ed". Because it would be assumed that they were black. It wouldn't need to be said. All of the cuckold fantasy sites are catering to white people. The black man exists in those scenes only to satisfy the white man's desire to see a girl be 'extra naughty' by having sex with a black guy. That's why a vanilla scene with a black guy is considered more extreme than a rough sex scene or an anal scene with a white guy. Girls will often hold out much longer before doing a run-of-the-mill b/g IR scene, even after they've done 3somes, anal and who knows what else with white guys. Click to expand Well, I can only state my own opinion but I would disagree with this. Why would the white women with a black man be a fantasy to mostly white customers? I think this fantasy is mostly from the black man. Hence why it is always nearly a black man with the white women in interracial. Look how many white on white scenes porn quite a lot still even though interracial is now more popular, but hardly any black on black scenes. I know black girls in real life who only date white guys, they say to me they are bored with the black guys because they only think about white girls. Here in Europe, most white guys are against interracial relationships...and practically all black men here like white women. This does not offend me, they can like who they like!! I don't see the big fuss about white girls anyway... black girls are hotter to me lol. But how do I know? Because I have dated two black girls and each time they told me that previous black guys they had been with were disloyal or messing around with white girls. And if we look on TV or just out and about in general society etc it is always a black man with a white girl, rarely the other way around even though now more black girls are starting to date white guys... finally! When I was in school there were six black guys and they used to always watch interracial black man with white women on their mobile phones lol, it was never black on black. All the white guys I was friends with never used to watch it, they always watched Brazzers white on white porn with criss strokes banging some chicks lol. I think it's rare to find a black dude into black chicks, they all like white women, yet the white man not many of them are into black chicks... which is a shame!! I think black girls are the best. But If we got a guy to go in and do some surveys in a black neighbourhood in America and ask all the black guys who they like or what porn they watch, it would be white women... some big titted blonde lol. If you did this the other way around in some European town in Poland, the white guys wouldn't be talking about black women lol they would say white... Im just sayin I think this black guy/white women thing is a fantasy for mostly the black man, and porn sets up this fantasy. But yes I do know that there are some white guys that enjoy that but they are not straight men lol, look at dogfart the guys in the scenes are sucking dildo's or eating the mans sperm. The average straight white man doesn't do that ... lol. Edited by - bill66 on 10/26/2014 3:50:38 PM Edited by - bill66 on 10/26/2014 3:52:09 PM [Link]
killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08	Posted - Oct 26 2014 : 4:20PM ^ OK you're in Europe so maybe things are different. But in the US, there is a lot of loaded, racist history surrounding the idea of a black man being with a white woman, and where there is prejudice there is taboo, and where there is taboo, there is forbidden lust. It has been documented that in the US, the states that display the most racist attitudes towards blacks are also the states where black male/white female porn sells the most and is searched for the most. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 27 2014 : 4:59PM Bill66 wrote: Here in Europe, most white guys are against interracial relationships...and practically all black men here like white women. This does not offend me, they can like who they like!! I don't see the big fuss about white girls anyway... black girls are hotter to me lol. Click to expand Where? Europe is many places. I live in Rome and although we have our share of very loud racist our society is not actually so separate, in my close circle of friends we have a guy married with a black (as in coal black one of the blackest skin tone I've ever seen) Cuban girl they have two children , one girl lives (they're not married) with a black African guy they have 2 children , that was awkward at the beginning she had a relationship with another black guy but almost disappear, no phone, no calls never came along with us, at one point we decided to ambush her and see what was going on , we "caught" her with the guy and she revealed she feared we wouldn't approve , she was glad none of us had any problem , we hadn't when they split , we hadn't when she met this another guy from Senegal and they decided to live together , they still are. I know a guy who only dated black girls until his current wife who is white and 20 years younger than him , not really a matter of race. Anyway to support what I said earlier on this thread , today dogfart added the BTS with Carmen Callaway and she said she suffered by the hatred of racists after she did her first IR scene [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 27 2014 : 5:19PM Bill66 wrote: ...But you don't see big dick white men in porn doing this to black men do you? Such a thing would not be aloud... Click to expand Actually it happened and it was an extremely hot black girl who cuckolded her black boyfriend with Chris Strokes There's also a site entirely dedicated to black females/white males and they use the like of Erik Everhard , Chris Strokes and Clover [Link]
Bill66 Deactivated User 56 Posts 10/14	Posted - Oct 27 2014 : 5:36PM LCF wrote: Bill66 wrote: ...But you don't see big dick white men in porn doing this to black men do you? Such a thing would not be aloud... Click to expand Actually it happened and it was an extremely hot black girl who cuckolded her black boyfriend with Chris Strokes There's also a site entirely dedicated to black females/white males and they use the like of Erik Everhard , Chris Strokes and Clover Click to expand Yes I agree she is a hot black girl and strokes is a good performer, but that is only one scene... are they not going to expand on this?? As I said elsewhere on this forum, surely there is a market for this? Instead we have hundreds or thousands of scenes where it is the other way round? Also what I meant was, was that the white dude can't talk down to a black in a porn movie lol. Why would they want to do this to begin with? I am not requesting it at all, they just do it all the time in the interracial movies or cuckold scenes with black men like rico strong or shane diesel like saying racist things to the white men or threatening them with violence but they can get away with it, it can't happen the other way round otherwise the company would get done for racism. in that scene with Criss Strokes he didn't really say anything, he wasn't there saying to the black guy he has a small dick only the actress said it, this is very different than the cuckold scenes with the black man who will always say offensive stuff to the white guy. lol And I have seen Diesel's twitter he posts racist stuff against white men on there... he can get away with it though. I don't really care tho lol. He's old and I doubt he will be doing much more porn. I don't see the fuss about him either. Yeh he has giant girth but length wise he is no longer than Bruce Venture. Anyway there's too many race threads on this forum, it is obviously on a lot of peoples minds. I will opt out of this. I only came to this forum for the updates about that website you mention. Clover is one of my favourite performers. I look forward to any new scenes they put out. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 27 2014 : 5:43PM ^ Unless you didn't notice , the number of scenes featuring black girls is growing and is not limited to dedicated sites Also if you happen to look at Anya Ivy's profile it's stated very clearly "no blacks" and she's African American Diamond Monrow stated in an interview in real life she only dated white guys , though she has no preference for them but blacks don't hit on her and she doesn't know why. As said Dogfart launched a new site completely dedicated to Black Female/White Males Edited by - LCF on 10/27/2014 5:44:59 PM [Link]

Curtom Deactivated User 293 Posts 8/14	Posted - Oct 27 2014 : 5:53PM And what about all those racist interracial scenes featuring black men trying to humiliate white men going they have small dicks? And no it's not just in the cuckold scenes, they even do those sorts of comments in all their scenes now. But you don't see big dick white men in porn doing this to black men do you? Such a thing would not be aloud... even though there is no difference between penis length and races, there is small and big dick in all races. I understand there is a fetish market for that sort of thing but you get my point, we rarely ever see a cuckold scene with a small black dicked guy, it is always the other way round... But take for example the first cuckold video on dogfart featuring a small black dick guy with Criss Strokes and Anna Foxxx. There were people complaining it was offensive even though there was nothing offensive in that scene... remember that Shane Diesel, Rico Strong etc have been doing those sorts of scenes for years and years saying really racist stuff to white men in their scenes... lol. They can get away with it though, a white dude couldn't. If anyone is being railroaded in the industry it is not black men. Look at websites like "blacked", you can get "black" in the title. Imagine "Whited" it would not be aloud... there are dvd series called "black owned" but white owned would not be aloud would it? Go onto any porn website like Jules Jordan or Evil Angel etc it always says "BIG" Black dick in the description or BBC, yet when there's a big dick white guy doing a scene they rarely ever put "Big" White dick or BWC in the description. I could go on and on lol. Click to expand Blacks folks ain't putting out shit like this, that's the white directors doing all that cuckhold racist big black cock shit. Dogart is the worst offender of it. They created this mess. WCP (including Mandingo lines), Mercenary Pictures, Lex Steele Production (Evil Angel), Sean Michaels Productions (Evil Angel), L.T. (Elegant Angel, JJV), all shoot good quality respectful movies that don't degrade the performers during scenes. And look at Lex Steele, Mandingo, Sean Michaels they are all household names amongst porn viewers, who has heard of big dick white guys like William Wood, Danny D, White Pony, Mark Ashley, Keiran Lee or Clover? / They are just a slim minority. I'm talking about the average run-of-the-mill, joe six pack, john doe black man. [Link]
Curtom Deactivated User 293 Posts 8/14	Posted - Oct 27 2014 : 5:57PM killbillvol69 wrote: ^ I think you're missing something here. The fantasy of the tiny white girl with the big black man is, for the most part, a fantasy held by white customers, not black ones. (Yes, there are exceptions of course.) When you see a site called "Blacked", that is catering to white audiences. If it was catering to black audiences, it wouldn't be called "Blacked", it would just be called "ed". Because it would be assumed that they were black. It wouldn't need to be said. All of the cuckold fantasy sites are catering to white people. The black man exists in those scenes only to satisfy the white man's desire to see a girl be 'extra naughty' by having sex with a black guy. That's why a vanilla scene with a black guy is considered more extreme than a rough sex scene or an anal scene with a white guy. Girls will often hold out much longer before doing a run-of-the-mill b/g IR scene, even after they've done 3somes, anal and who knows what else with white guys. How many girls have done gangbangs with white guys but never touched a black guy, even for a blowjob? A lot of them. This wouldn't happen the other way around. Why? Because working with black guys is seen, for many both inside and outside the industry, as the most degrading thing a girl could do. The most extreme. The most naughty. The most perverse. It's not so much about black male talent getting railroaded or not (though some of them may have been railroaded, I can't say); it's about the entire concept of white women with black men being so naughty that it is desired in the extreme in some cases, and reviled in the extreme in others. Neither is healthy. Click to expand Well if their skin colour is the sole reason they can't work with many girls, that cut into their income. This is not something white men and women and even black women to some degree have to worry about. None is singling out an entire race of people the way black men have been. [Link]
Curtom Deactivated User 293 Posts 8/14	Posted - Oct 27 2014 : 6:00PM Bill66 wrote: The fantasy of the tiny white girl with the big black man is, for the most part, a fantasy held by white customers, not black ones. (Yes, there are exceptions of course.) When you see a site called "Blacked", that is catering to white audiences. If it was catering to black audiences, it wouldn't be called "Blacked", it would just be called "ed". Because it would be assumed that they were black. It wouldn't need to be said. All of the cuckold fantasy sites are catering to white people. The black man exists in those scenes only to satisfy the white man's desire to see a girl be 'extra naughty' by having sex with a black guy. That's why a vanilla scene with a black guy is considered more extreme than a rough sex scene or an anal scene with a white guy. Girls will often hold out much longer before doing a run-of-the-mill b/g IR scene, even after they've done 3somes, anal and who knows what else with white guys. Click to expand Well, I can only state my own opinion but I would disagree with this. Why would the white women with a black man be a fantasy to mostly white customers? I think this fantasy is mostly from the black man. Hence why it is always nearly a black man with the white women in interracial. Look how many white on white scenes porn quite a lot still even though interracial is now more popular, but hardly any black on black scenes. I know black girls in real life who only date white guys, they say to me they are bored with the black guys because they only think about white girls. Here in Europe, most white guys are against interracial relationships...and practically all black men here like white women. This does not offend me, they can like who they like!! I don't see the big fuss about white girls anyway... black girls are hotter to me lol. But how do I know? Because I have dated two black girls and each time they told me that previous black guys they had been with were disloyal or messing around with white girls. And if we look on TV or just out and about in general society etc it is always a black man with a white girl, rarely the other way around even though now more black girls are starting to date white guys... finally! When I was in school there were six black guys and they used to always watch interracial black man with white women on their mobile phones lol, it was never black on black. All the white guys I was friends with never used to watch it, they always watched Brazzers white on white porn with criss strokes banging some chicks lol. I think it's rare to find a black dude into black chicks, they all like white women, yet the white man not many of them are into black chicks... which is a shame!! I think black girls are the best. But If we got a guy to go in and do some surveys in a black neighbourhood in America and ask all the black guys who they like or what porn they watch, it would be white women... some big titted blonde lol. If you did this the other way around in some European town in Poland, the white guys wouldn't be talking about black women lol they would say white... Im just sayin I think this black guy/white women thing is a fantasy for mostly the black man, and porn sets up this fantasy. But yes I do know that there are some white guys that enjoy that but they are not straight men lol, look at dogfart the guys in the scenes are sucking dildo's or eating the mans sperm. The average straight white man doesn't do that ... lol. Edited by - bill66 on 10/26/2014 3:50:38 PM Edited by - bill66 on 10/26/2014 3:52:09 PM Click to expand What country you from? [Link]
Curtom Deactivated User 293 Posts 8/14	Posted - Oct 27 2014 : 6:03PM Anya Ivy's profile it's stated very clearly "no blacks" Click to expand Really? [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 27 2014 : 6:10PM ^ Unless she changed it today, the last time I checked it was as stated EDIT For reasons unknown I can't reach the page of her agency OCMODELING , the matter is discussed on her topic though from here on Edited by - LCF on 10/27/2014 6:24:37 PM [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Oct 27 2014 : 6:11PM Bill66 wrote: Also what I meant was, was that the white dude can't talk down to a black in a porn movie lol. Why would they want to do this to begin with? Click to expand It's a basic component of cuckolding, regardless of whether race is involved. If white guys making "racist" remarks in these scenes is considered taboo and the reverse is not, that is because of the facts of white racism in America's history and present. Curtom wrote: Blacks folks ain't putting out shit like this, that's the white directors doing all that cuckhold racist big black cock shit. Dogart is the worst offender of it. They created this mess. WCP (including Mandingo lines), Mercenary Pictures, Lex Steele Production (Evil Angel), Sean Michaels Productions (Evil Angel), L.T. (Elegant Angel, JJV), all shoot good quality respectful movies that don't degrade the performers during scenes. Click to expand I don't see any indication that most of the women who shoot for Dogfart and similar sites feel "degraded." Or were you thinking of the the white male cuckolds? Edited by - misspornUSA on 10/27/2014 6:20:11 PM [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 27 2014 : 6:27PM ^ besides Sean Michaels did have a cuckold line at Evil [Link]
Curtom Deactivated User 293 Posts 8/14	Posted - Oct 28 2014 : 9:44AM I don't see any indication that most of the women who shoot for Dogfart and similar sites feel "degraded." Or were you thinking of the the white male cuckolds? Click to expand Ok, maybe, but the emphasis is on the person's blackness, whiteness, it doesn't seem to have substance, like two people fucking because they want to. [Link]
Curtom Deactivated User 293 Posts 8/14	Posted - Oct 28 2014 : 9:45AM LCF wrote: ^ besides Sean Michaels did have a cuckold line at Evil Click to expand Mostly it's not black this black that, white this, white that. It's just two people fucking. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 28 2014 : 9:48AM ^ nevertheless there's a white hubby enjoying the view his wife fucked by a black guy , do you think it's the regular thing among white couples? [Link]

Curtom Deactivated User 293 Posts 8/14	Posted - Oct 28 2014 : 9:51AM LCF wrote: ^ Unless she changed it today, the last time I checked it was as stated EDIT For reasons unknown I can't reach the page of her agency OCMODELING , the matter is discussed on her topic though from here on Edited by - LCF on 10/27/2014 6:24:37 PM Click to expand Diamond Foxx does this also, right? [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 28 2014 : 9:56AM ^ I don't know , I don't pay much attention to what or who the stars avoid I just don't care very much and I think they are within their right to do only what they are comfortable doing, for Anya I was lead to her profile [Link]
negrine Member 102 Posts 9/09	Posted - Oct 28 2014 : 10:31AM ^^ Diamond Foxxx is white. If you meant Diamond Monrow, she did a scene with Sean Michaels for "Brown Bunnies". Edited by - negrine on 10/28/2014 10:35:20 AM [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Oct 28 2014 : 12:22PM Curtom wrote: Ok, maybe, but the emphasis is on the person's blackness, whiteness, it doesn't seem to have substance, like two people fucking because they want to. Click to expand Some scenes emphasize a woman's backside, or her breasts, her age, her ink.... If all of that's okay, I guess I wonder what's wrong with emphasizing skin pigmentation. The only difference I can see is that IR oftentimes fetishizes the male performer as much or more than the female performer. Other than that it's the same as most straight porn. Big black cock, phat ass white girl, what's the difference? Edited by - misspornUSA on 10/28/2014 1:23:04 PM [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 28 2014 : 2:41PM negrine wrote: ^^ Diamond Foxxx is white. If you meant Diamond Monrow, she did a scene with Sean Michaels for "Brown Bunnies". Click to expand Diamond Monrow doesn't have a preference she just happened to work with whites only until Sean, she also said in an interview that in real life blacks don't hit on he thus r she only dated white guys but this wasn't a choice, it just happened. [Link]
negrine Member 102 Posts 9/09	Posted - Oct 28 2014 : 8:24PM ^ Understood. In addition to this thread ,Curtom brought up "Diamond Foxx" in the Anya Ivy thread as well. So in that context, I assumed he mixed-up her name with a black performer. I posted the link to show Monrow, does indeed work with black men in case anyone assumed the opposite. I just wanted to clear-up any potential confusion. (to which I may have ironically, just contributed.) Edited by - negrine on 10/28/2014 9:22:47 PM [Link]
Dre AKA NigSquid Member 726 Posts 9/14	Posted - Oct 29 2014 : 7:31AM misspornUSA wrote: Curtom wrote: Ok, maybe, but the emphasis is on the person's blackness, whiteness, it doesn't seem to have substance, like two people fucking because they want to. Click to expand Some scenes emphasize a woman's backside, or her breasts, her age, her ink.... If all of that's okay, I guess I wonder what's wrong with emphasizing skin pigmentation. The only difference I can see is that IR oftentimes fetishizes the male performer as much or more than the female performer. Other than that it's the same as most straight porn. Big black cock, phat ass white girl, what's the difference? Edited by - misspornUSA on 10/28/2014 1:23:04 PM Click to expand I totally agree @NigSquid [Link]
Curtom Deactivated User 293 Posts 8/14	Posted - Oct 29 2014 : 7:52AM negrine wrote: ^^ Diamond Foxxx is white. If you meant Diamond Monrow, she did a scene with Sean Michaels for "Brown Bunnies". Edited by - negrine on 10/28/2014 10:35:20 AM Click to expand *Diamond Jackson Edited by - Curtom on 10/29/2014 7:55:15 AM [Link]
Curtom Deactivated User 293 Posts 8/14	Posted - Oct 29 2014 : 7:54AM LCF wrote: negrine wrote: ^^ Diamond Foxxx is white. If you meant Diamond Monrow, she did a scene with Sean Michaels for "Brown Bunnies". Click to expand Diamond Monrow doesn't have a preference she just happened to work with whites only until Sean, she also said in an interview that in real life blacks don't hit on he thus r she only dated white guys but this wasn't a choice, it just happened. Click to expand *Diamond Jackson [Link]
Curtom Deactivated User 293 Posts 8/14	Posted - Oct 29 2014 : 7:56AM negrine wrote: ^ Understood. In addition to this thread ,Curtom brought up "Diamond Foxx" in the Anya Ivy thread as well. So in that context, I assumed he mixed-up her name with a black performer. I posted the link to show Monrow, does indeed work with black men in case anyone assumed the opposite. I just wanted to clear-up any potential confusion. (to which I may have ironically, just contributed.) Edited by - negrine on 10/28/2014 9:22:47 PM Click to expand *Diamond Jackson [Link]
Curtom Deactivated User 293 Posts 8/14	Posted - Oct 29 2014 : 7:57AM LCF wrote: ^ I don't know , I don't pay much attention to what or who the stars avoid I just don't care very much and I think they are within their right to do only what they are comfortable doing, for Anya I was lead to her profile Click to expand *Diamond Jackson [Link]
negrine Member 102 Posts 9/09	Posted - Oct 29 2014 : 1:27PM ^ Diamond Jackson has done scenes with black men, as well. This is just one of them. [Link]
jizzyjay Member 914 Posts 10/07	Posted - Oct 31 2014 : 11:50PM Keni Styles doesn't seem to be hurting for work since most dodgers like Brandi Love, Puma Swede and some others work with him before they will with black males [Link]
Curtom Deactivated User 293 Posts 8/14	Posted - Nov 1 2014 : 7:42AM jizzyjay wrote: Keni Styles doesn't seem to be hurting for work since most dodgers like Brandi Love, Puma Swede and some others work with him before they will with black males Click to expand Exactly [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Nov 1 2014 : 8:03AM Yes , but still he works A LOT less than any black male , and there are no existing sites focused on Asian males that I know of. [Link]
jizzyjay Member 914 Posts 10/07	Posted - Nov 2 2014 : 5:12AM And the only times Black Males work is when White producers want to play the stereotypical Black males lusting after White chics. Just like the only time Black females work is when they're display as ghetto or street whore or shaking their big asses.By the way,who's fault is it that Asian guys aren't working as much as Black males.Last time I check,the porn is industry is control by White guys go figure.Also,if Keni wants more work maybe he should start his own site where he's screwing all the dodgers. Edited by - jizzyjay on 11/2/2014 5:16:27 AM [Link]

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Asians are railroad way worse than that, try to compare Keni Styles work to that of ANY black performer
Also what do you want a performer to do put IR on her file and then pray night and day in order to not be paired with wild ones?

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I provided a link , put names in their search engine you will find out yourself

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Well, part of fame is winning awards which the industry recognizes, what do you awards shows are for?

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If a gay-for-pay performer is doing gay scenes for money, he is choosing to do scenes even though he isn't actually gay. Now if he wanted to do straight scenes but he gets rejected, that's partly his fault. He could have avoided that. Like I said in the earlier post, the straight side rejects them for a reason.

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If a real bisexual star does both though it's not his fault , not his choice , the reason would be accepted if they perform bareback, but many of those didn't . also some of them ceased performing gay for pay years ago,but they are rejected regardless there's no reason for that. It's discrimination
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to sell more?
I mean Sunny Leone won a best anal once and she did just one as opposed to those made by anal veterans such as Dana DeArmond for example
I did provide the link above so that you may see yourself,if I'm right this would be proof of what you claim, there would be something wrong in the Industry and it's active , and is what is preventing some stars from doing stuff they would do with no problem or are even already doing privately.
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Who was not allowed back even after ceasing gay-for-pay?

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As far as I know there are stars who refuse to work with either Chris Strokes or Danny D of course their size would be a convincing argument maybe even true for some , but not all also Danny is under Contract with Brazzers not every star work with them so it's not very apparent, still...

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All girls don't get paid more for IR scenes. Some girls ony get it for their first time only. Some girls may only get more money for it from certain directors. Some girls may get it every time if the director thinks she worth the extra money. Maybe she did it once and it worked out well for the director and he/she is willing to pay more to coax the girl into doing it again. There are different situations for different people. But what I keep seeing is people on this board keep saying white girls get paid more for IR like it applies to all white girls for all IR scenes like it's a porn standard. It isn't.
Some people use a girl charging more for a IR scene as an excuse for them to ome down on them like they're horrible for doing so or that the porn biz is unfairly racist for allowing this to happen. In many or most cases it's a simple business decision. A business decision that fans don't need to be so concerned with.
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I know it's different for everyone, I'm strictly talking about the practice of charging more for an IR scene everytime instead of just raising your overall rate for scenes. Then again some girls are just playing the game which is fair(but it's still a racist practice) Dani Daniels

I beg to differ, black actors and actresses don't get the same work opportunities as their white counter parts based on this very issue.

I know what to tell you. The girls you name have made their choice. I don't see it as right or wrong...it's simply their choice. I seems to be working out fine for them so I imagine they'll stick with it for the time being. Perhaps they'll never do an IR scene. Pehaps they have no problem doing the intense stuff or even like it but have no burning desire to do IR. Maybe at some point that will change...maybe not. Every girl is different and so is their business model. Doing lots of IR works well for girls like Lisa Ann and she's happy with her choices. Not doing IR works for the girls you name and they seem to be doing okay.
When a girl enters porn there isn't a checklist of sex acts they have to perform and people they have to work with. They all steer their career based on what they want to do and when they think it's best to do it and the type of pornstar they want to be. Fans may not agree but it's not their choices to make.
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Any actress has the right to do whatever they want, we don't disagree here. However if the demand is high and a girl turns down every oppurtunity to do it then I would have cause for concern.

The hassle being?

You mentioned a girl wanting to maintain a certain image. "Some don't do IR because they want to be perceived as a certain type of pornstar and only want to shoot for the high end studios that don't do the usual Gonzo type stuff." All IR isn't gonzo.

If the stigma of stereotypical IR doesn't appeal to this audience, then seeing an a girl do "vanilla" type IR scene shouldn't matter to anyone. I do understand that not many black actors are hired for those types of scenes however(different issue in itself).
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Sir, yoy are being very disingenuous with the argument at hand. I'm talking about racism porn, black men are the ones getting railroaded by the industry, their the only ones that have to accept being second class citizens in this industry. I'll say it once more, and only once more, white/latin/asian men are NEVER declined work because of their race/ethnicity, and furthermore a whole racial/ethnic group are not singled out for the poor behaviour on set of a few, other than black men.

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Sigh...Okay, lets try this again...I know black men get discriminated in porn. I know that there are times when the actions of one or a few cause some to judge all of them unfairly. Not only do I know this but I clearly gave 2 examples of it in the original post. When I said "not just porn" I meant that's the way some people think all over. Not just porn. In everyday life. I wasn't referring to other races in porn. Yeah, most of the time other races in porn don't have to deal with it.
I'm not disagreeing with you for the sake of disagreeing. I just don't agree with it to the extent that you do and trying to point out there are reasons why things the way they are and they aren't as cut and dry or black and white as you seem to believe they are. The biggest difference in our perspective is I think a lot of the way blacks are cast and deligated come from the porn veiwing audience and economic raesons. What I'm getting from you is there's just a bunch of white people in porn just happily treating blacks badly because they see them as lesser human beings or they just don't like them. There may be people like that in porn but I don't think they're as common as you seem to think.

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Awards are given because of the performance in a particular scene. There are girls who've won awards that weren't really famous or became famous because they won an award. There are also girls who've one very few or no awards but are famous without them.

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Dre AKA NigSquid wrote:
I know it's different for everyone, I'm strictly talking about the practice of charging more for an IR scene everytime instead of just raising your overall rate for scenes. Then again some girls are just playing the game which is fair(but it's still a racist practice) Dani Daniels
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I've given my opinion on this. You don't agree. That's fine.
Any actress has the right to do whatever they want, we don't disagree here. However if the demand is high and a girl turns down every oppurtunity to do it then I would have cause for concern.
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Why be concerned? She's free to manage her career any way she wants to. If she doesn't want to bang blacks guys there aren't any porn laws to force her. What exactly is going on that you need to be concerned with? I'm not trying to be funny. A girl comes into porn and decides she doesn't want to fuck a black guy...why is that such an issue for you? I honestly don't get it.
You mentioned a girl wanting to maintain a certain image. "Some don't do IR because they want to be perceived as a certain type of pornstar and only want to shoot for the high end studios that don't do the usual Gonzo type stuff." All IR isn't gonzo.
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There are girls who enter or have entered porn who think if they follow the Jenna Jameson porn blueprint they'll get a contract be a contract girl don't have to work and hussle so hard and that studio/company will promote them to porn fame. Jenna, Tera Patrick, Stormy Daniels, Jesse Jane are all that type of pornstar. None of them do the hardcore stuff, none of them do IR, all of them have movies that feature them, the studio treats them well because they've invested in them, they have contracts and have more control who they work with.
Who said all IR is Gonzo? I don't remember anyone saying that. But it's very obvious the majority of IR scenes are Gonzo.

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Performers should be judged based off of performance and not skin color. If a girl were to put all black performers on "their no list" simply because they're black is(not only disturbing to me personally) extremely dismissive. That means black performers of a Lex Steele or Prince caliber are dismissed, but a new coming "Joe Schmo" is fine? All that definitely rubs me the wrong way, but it looks like we can agree to disagree. Let's be clear too I don't stay up all night racking my brain on this subject, it's just something that I disagree with every time it's brought up. If this is truly a job, then the refusal to work with someone based on skin color is by definition racism in the workplace. Also the demonetization or stereotyping of a race of people by a company for monetary gain is also racism. I'm not trying to stand on a high horse here by any means. I take it how I can get it and watch scenes that portray these stereotypes but simply for the sex alone, all the extra theatrics I don't really care for because it's all fantasy at the end of the day.
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when they stereotype a thug they also stereotype a girl and many times a man, unless you really think all whites aren't able to fuck and are eager to see their girls fucked by black men.

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Brilliantly delivered!!!

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A sex worker aka a female performer does not judge another performer , they barely watch porn , and their perspective is different from that of the viewer . each performers performs for the camera , what really matters for them , is comfortability.
A star who is not comfortable will provide a bad scene no matter how right or wrong she is.

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I never alluded to this in the slightest. It goes both ways.

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This is nonsense mate. Go to any porn website there is always a "black" section. There is no white section, it would not be aloud!! How many websites are there featuring black men with white women? Loads and loads. How many with white men and black women... hardly any. Even though many black chicks dig big dick white guys.
And what about all those racist interracial scenes featuring black men trying to humiliate white men going they have small dicks? And no it's not just in the cuckold scenes, they even do those sorts of comments in all their scenes now. But you don't see big dick white men in porn doing this to black men do you? Such a thing would not be aloud... even though there is no difference between penis length and races, there is small and big dick in all races. I understand there is a fetish market for that sort of thing but you get my point, we rarely ever see a cuckold scene with a small black dicked guy, it is always the other way round...
But take for example the first cuckold video on dogfart featuring a small black dick guy with Criss Strokes and Anna Foxxx. There were people complaining it was offensive even though there was nothing offensive in that scene... remember that Shane Diesel, Rico Strong etc have been doing those sorts of scenes for years and years saying really racist stuff to white men in their scenes... lol. They can get away with it though, a white dude couldn't. If anyone is being railroaded in the industry it is not black men.
Look at websites like "blacked", you can get "black" in the title. Imagine "Whited" it would not be aloud... there are dvd series called "black owned" but white owned would not be aloud would it? Go onto any porn website like Jules Jordan or Evil Angel etc it always says "BIG" Black dick in the description or BBC, yet when there's a big dick white guy doing a scene they rarely ever put "Big" White dick or BWC in the description. I could go on and on lol.
And look at Lex Steele, Mandingo, Sean Michaels they are all household names amongst porn viewers, who has heard of big dick white guys like William Wood, Danny D, White Pony, Mark Ashley, Keiran Lee or Clover? Lol. Nowhere as near as many. We are all human at the end of the day and I am sorry racism exists but your claim about the black man in porn being railed is not true... if anything it is the other way round.
Websites like tumblr have millions and millions of blog dedicated to BBC with white women and insulting white men with really racist horrible comments like claiming the BBC will wipe out the white mans seed etc, but as soon as someone creates a blog for big white cocks BWC with white women or tributes to big dick asian or indian men etc without any type of racism, they are still harassed or called racist... lol.
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^ I think you're missing something here.
The fantasy of the tiny white girl with the big black man is, for the most part, a fantasy held by white customers, not black ones. (Yes, there are exceptions of course.)
When you see a site called "Blacked", that is catering to white audiences. If it was catering to black audiences, it wouldn't be called "Blacked", it would just be called "ed". Because it would be assumed that they were black. It wouldn't need to be said.
All of the cuckold fantasy sites are catering to white people. The black man exists in those scenes only to satisfy the white man's desire to see a girl be 'extra naughty' by having sex with a black guy. That's why a vanilla scene with a black guy is considered more extreme than a rough sex scene or an anal scene with a white guy. Girls will often hold out much longer before doing a run-of-the-mill b/g IR scene, even after they've done 3somes, anal and who knows what else with white guys.
How many girls have done gangbangs with white guys but never touched a black guy, even for a blowjob? A lot of them. This wouldn't happen the other way around. Why? Because working with black guys is seen, for many both inside and outside the industry, as the most degrading thing a girl could do. The most extreme. The most naughty. The most perverse.
It's not so much about black male talent getting railroaded or not (though some of them may have been railroaded, I can't say); it's about the entire concept of white women with black men being so naughty that it is desired in the extreme in some cases, and reviled in the extreme in others. Neither is healthy.

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The fantasy of the tiny white girl with the big black man is, for the most part, a fantasy held by white customers, not black ones. (Yes, there are exceptions of course.)
When you see a site called "Blacked", that is catering to white audiences. If it was catering to black audiences, it wouldn't be called "Blacked", it would just be called "ed". Because it would be assumed that they were black. It wouldn't need to be said.
All of the cuckold fantasy sites are catering to white people. The black man exists in those scenes only to satisfy the white man's desire to see a girl be 'extra naughty' by having sex with a black guy. That's why a vanilla scene with a black guy is considered more extreme than a rough sex scene or an anal scene with a white guy. Girls will often hold out much longer before doing a run-of-the-mill b/g IR scene, even after they've done 3somes, anal and who knows what else with white guys.
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Well, I can only state my own opinion but I would disagree with this. Why would the white women with a black man be a fantasy to mostly white customers? I think this fantasy is mostly from the black man. Hence why it is always nearly a black man with the white women in interracial. Look how many white on white scenes porn quite a lot still even though interracial is now more popular, but hardly any black on black scenes. I know black girls in real life who only date white guys, they say to me they are bored with the black guys because they only think about white girls.
Here in Europe, most white guys are against interracial relationships...and practically all black men here like white women. This does not offend me, they can like who they like!! I don't see the big fuss about white girls anyway... black girls are hotter to me lol.
But how do I know? Because I have dated two black girls and each time they told me that previous black guys they had been with were disloyal or messing around with white girls. And if we look on TV or just out and about in general society etc it is always a black man with a white girl, rarely the other way around even though now more black girls are starting to date white guys... finally!
When I was in school there were six black guys and they used to always watch interracial black man with white women on their mobile phones lol, it was never black on black. All the white guys I was friends with never used to watch it, they always watched Brazzers white on white porn with criss strokes banging some chicks lol. I think it's rare to find a black dude into black chicks, they all like white women, yet the white man not many of them are into black chicks... which is a shame!! I think black girls are the best.
But If we got a guy to go in and do some surveys in a black neighbourhood in America and ask all the black guys who they like or what porn they watch, it would be white women... some big titted blonde lol. If you did this the other way around in some European town in Poland, the white guys wouldn't be talking about black women lol they would say white... Im just sayin I think this black guy/white women thing is a fantasy for mostly the black man, and porn sets up this fantasy. But yes I do know that there are some white guys that enjoy that but they are not straight men lol, look at dogfart the guys in the scenes are sucking dildo's or eating the mans sperm. The average straight white man doesn't do that ... lol.
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Posted - Oct 26 2014 : 4:20PM

^ OK you're in Europe so maybe things are different. But in the US, there is a lot of loaded, racist history surrounding the idea of a black man being with a white woman, and where there is prejudice there is taboo, and where there is taboo, there is forbidden lust.
It has been documented that in the US, the states that display the most racist attitudes towards blacks are also the states where black male/white female porn sells the most and is searched for the most.

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Where? Europe is many places. I live in Rome and although we have our share of very loud racist our society is not actually so separate, in my close circle of friends we have a guy married with a black (as in coal black one of the blackest skin tone I've ever seen) Cuban girl they have two children , one girl lives (they're not married) with a black African guy they have 2 children , that was awkward at the beginning she had a relationship with another black guy but almost disappear, no phone, no calls never came along with us, at one point we decided to ambush her and see what was going on , we "caught" her with the guy and she revealed she feared we wouldn't approve , she was glad none of us had any problem , we hadn't when they split , we hadn't when she met this another guy from Senegal and they decided to live together , they still are.
I know a guy who only dated black girls until his current wife who is white and 20 years younger than him , not really a matter of race.
Anyway to support what I said earlier on this thread , today dogfart added the BTS with Carmen Callaway and she said she suffered by the hatred of racists after she did her first IR scene

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Actually it happened and it was an extremely hot black girl who cuckolded her black boyfriend with Chris Strokes
There's also a site entirely dedicated to black females/white males and they use the like of Erik Everhard , Chris Strokes and Clover

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Yes I agree she is a hot black girl and strokes is a good performer, but that is only one scene... are they not going to expand on this?? As I said elsewhere on this forum, surely there is a market for this? Instead we have hundreds or thousands of scenes where it is the other way round? Also what I meant was, was that the white dude can't talk down to a black in a porn movie lol. Why would they want to do this to begin with? I am not requesting it at all, they just do it all the time in the interracial movies or cuckold scenes with black men like rico strong or shane diesel like saying racist things to the white men or threatening them with violence but they can get away with it, it can't happen the other way round otherwise the company would get done for racism. in that scene with Criss Strokes he didn't really say anything, he wasn't there saying to the black guy he has a small dick only the actress said it, this is very different than the cuckold scenes with the black man who will always say offensive stuff to the white guy. lol And I have seen Diesel's twitter he posts racist stuff against white men on there... he can get away with it though. I don't really care tho lol. He's old and I doubt he will be doing much more porn. I don't see the fuss about him either. Yeh he has giant girth but length wise he is no longer than Bruce Venture. Anyway there's too many race threads on this forum, it is obviously on a lot of peoples minds. I will opt out of this. I only came to this forum for the updates about that website you mention. Clover is one of my favourite performers. I look forward to any new scenes they put out.

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Posted - Oct 27 2014 : 5:43PM

^
Unless you didn't notice , the number of scenes featuring black girls is growing and is not limited to dedicated sites
Also if you happen to look at Anya Ivy's profile it's stated very clearly "no blacks" and she's African American
Diamond Monrow stated in an interview in real life she only dated white guys , though she has no preference for them but blacks don't hit on her and she doesn't know why.
As said Dogfart launched a new site completely dedicated to Black Female/White Males
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And what about all those racist interracial scenes featuring black men trying to humiliate white men going they have small dicks? And no it's not just in the cuckold scenes, they even do those sorts of comments in all their scenes now. But you don't see big dick white men in porn doing this to black men do you? Such a thing would not be aloud... even though there is no difference between penis length and races, there is small and big dick in all races. I understand there is a fetish market for that sort of thing but you get my point, we rarely ever see a cuckold scene with a small black dicked guy, it is always the other way round...
But take for example the first cuckold video on dogfart featuring a small black dick guy with Criss Strokes and Anna Foxxx. There were people complaining it was offensive even though there was nothing offensive in that scene... remember that Shane Diesel, Rico Strong etc have been doing those sorts of scenes for years and years saying really racist stuff to white men in their scenes... lol. They can get away with it though, a white dude couldn't. If anyone is being railroaded in the industry it is not black men.
Look at websites like "blacked", you can get "black" in the title. Imagine "Whited" it would not be aloud... there are dvd series called "black owned" but white owned would not be aloud would it? Go onto any porn website like Jules Jordan or Evil Angel etc it always says "BIG" Black dick in the description or BBC, yet when there's a big dick white guy doing a scene they rarely ever put "Big" White dick or BWC in the description. I could go on and on lol.
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Blacks folks ain't putting out shit like this, that's the white directors doing all that cuckhold racist big black cock shit. Dogart is the worst offender of it. They created this mess.
WCP (including Mandingo lines), Mercenary Pictures, Lex Steele Production (Evil Angel), Sean Michaels Productions (Evil Angel), L.T. (Elegant Angel, JJV), all shoot good quality respectful movies that don't degrade the performers during scenes.

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killbillvol69 wrote:
^ I think you're missing something here.
The fantasy of the tiny white girl with the big black man is, for the most part, a fantasy held by white customers, not black ones. (Yes, there are exceptions of course.)
When you see a site called "Blacked", that is catering to white audiences. If it was catering to black audiences, it wouldn't be called "Blacked", it would just be called "ed". Because it would be assumed that they were black. It wouldn't need to be said.
All of the cuckold fantasy sites are catering to white people. The black man exists in those scenes only to satisfy the white man's desire to see a girl be 'extra naughty' by having sex with a black guy. That's why a vanilla scene with a black guy is considered more extreme than a rough sex scene or an anal scene with a white guy. Girls will often hold out much longer before doing a run-of-the-mill b/g IR scene, even after they've done 3somes, anal and who knows what else with white guys.
How many girls have done gangbangs with white guys but never touched a black guy, even for a blowjob? A lot of them. This wouldn't happen the other way around. Why? Because working with black guys is seen, for many both inside and outside the industry, as the most degrading thing a girl could do. The most extreme. The most naughty. The most perverse.
It's not so much about black male talent getting railroaded or not (though some of them may have been railroaded, I can't say); it's about the entire concept of white women with black men being so naughty that it is desired in the extreme in some cases, and reviled in the extreme in others. Neither is healthy.
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Well if their skin colour is the sole reason they can't work with many girls, that cut into their income. This is not something white men and women and even black women to some degree have to worry about. None is singling out an entire race of people the way black men have been.

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Bill66 wrote:
The fantasy of the tiny white girl with the big black man is, for the most part, a fantasy held by white customers, not black ones. (Yes, there are exceptions of course.)
When you see a site called "Blacked", that is catering to white audiences. If it was catering to black audiences, it wouldn't be called "Blacked", it would just be called "ed". Because it would be assumed that they were black. It wouldn't need to be said.
All of the cuckold fantasy sites are catering to white people. The black man exists in those scenes only to satisfy the white man's desire to see a girl be 'extra naughty' by having sex with a black guy. That's why a vanilla scene with a black guy is considered more extreme than a rough sex scene or an anal scene with a white guy. Girls will often hold out much longer before doing a run-of-the-mill b/g IR scene, even after they've done 3somes, anal and who knows what else with white guys.
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Well, I can only state my own opinion but I would disagree with this. Why would the white women with a black man be a fantasy to mostly white customers? I think this fantasy is mostly from the black man. Hence why it is always nearly a black man with the white women in interracial. Look how many white on white scenes porn quite a lot still even though interracial is now more popular, but hardly any black on black scenes. I know black girls in real life who only date white guys, they say to me they are bored with the black guys because they only think about white girls.
Here in Europe, most white guys are against interracial relationships...and practically all black men here like white women. This does not offend me, they can like who they like!! I don't see the big fuss about white girls anyway... black girls are hotter to me lol.
But how do I know? Because I have dated two black girls and each time they told me that previous black guys they had been with were disloyal or messing around with white girls. And if we look on TV or just out and about in general society etc it is always a black man with a white girl, rarely the other way around even though now more black girls are starting to date white guys... finally!
When I was in school there were six black guys and they used to always watch interracial black man with white women on their mobile phones lol, it was never black on black. All the white guys I was friends with never used to watch it, they always watched Brazzers white on white porn with criss strokes banging some chicks lol. I think it's rare to find a black dude into black chicks, they all like white women, yet the white man not many of them are into black chicks... which is a shame!! I think black girls are the best.
But If we got a guy to go in and do some surveys in a black neighbourhood in America and ask all the black guys who they like or what porn they watch, it would be white women... some big titted blonde lol. If you did this the other way around in some European town in Poland, the white guys wouldn't be talking about black women lol they would say white... Im just sayin I think this black guy/white women thing is a fantasy for mostly the black man, and porn sets up this fantasy. But yes I do know that there are some white guys that enjoy that but they are not straight men lol, look at dogfart the guys in the scenes are sucking dildo's or eating the mans sperm. The average straight white man doesn't do that ... lol.
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What country you from?

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Posted - Oct 27 2014 : 6:03PM

Really?

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Posted - Oct 27 2014 : 6:10PM

^
Unless she changed it today, the last time I checked it was as stated
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For reasons unknown I can't reach the page of her agency OCMODELING , the matter is discussed on her topic though from here on

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Posted - Oct 27 2014 : 6:11PM

It's a basic component of cuckolding, regardless of whether race is involved. If white guys making "racist" remarks in these scenes is considered taboo and the reverse is not, that is because of the facts of white racism in America's history and present.

I don't see any indication that most of the women who shoot for Dogfart and similar sites feel "degraded." Or were you thinking of the the white male cuckolds?
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Posted - Oct 27 2014 : 6:27PM

^
besides Sean Michaels did have a cuckold line at Evil

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Posted - Oct 28 2014 : 9:44AM

Ok, maybe, but the emphasis is on the person's blackness, whiteness, it doesn't seem to have substance, like two people fucking because they want to.

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Posted - Oct 28 2014 : 9:45AM

Mostly it's not black this black that, white this, white that. It's just two people fucking.

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Posted - Oct 28 2014 : 9:48AM

^
nevertheless there's a white hubby enjoying the view his wife fucked by a black guy , do you think it's the regular thing among white couples?

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Posted - Oct 28 2014 : 9:51AM

Diamond Foxx does this also, right?

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Posted - Oct 28 2014 : 9:56AM

^
I don't know , I don't pay much attention to what or who the stars avoid I just don't care very much and I think they are within their right to do only what they are comfortable doing, for Anya I was lead to her profile

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Posted - Oct 28 2014 : 10:31AM

^^ Diamond Foxxx is white.
If you meant Diamond Monrow, she did a scene with Sean Michaels for "Brown Bunnies".
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Some scenes emphasize a woman's backside, or her breasts, her age, her ink.... If all of that's okay, I guess I wonder what's wrong with emphasizing skin pigmentation. The only difference I can see is that IR oftentimes fetishizes the male performer as much or more than the female performer. Other than that it's the same as most straight porn. Big black cock, phat ass white girl, what's the difference?
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Posted - Oct 28 2014 : 2:41PM

Diamond Monrow doesn't have a preference she just happened to work with whites only until Sean, she also said in an interview that in real life blacks don't hit on he thus r she only dated white guys but this wasn't a choice, it just happened.

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Posted - Oct 28 2014 : 8:24PM

^ Understood.
In addition to this thread ,Curtom brought up "Diamond Foxx" in the Anya Ivy thread as well.
So in that context, I assumed he mixed-up her name with a black performer. I posted the link to show Monrow, does indeed work with black men in case anyone assumed the opposite.
I just wanted to clear-up any potential confusion. (to which I may have ironically, just contributed.)
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I totally agree
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Posted - Oct 29 2014 : 7:52AM

*Diamond Jackson
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Posted - Oct 29 2014 : 7:54AM

*Diamond Jackson

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*Diamond Jackson

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*Diamond Jackson

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^ Diamond Jackson has done scenes with black men, as well.
This is just one of them.

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Keni Styles doesn't seem to be hurting for work since most dodgers like Brandi Love, Puma Swede and some others work with him before they will with black males

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Exactly

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Yes , but still he works A LOT less than any black male , and there are no existing sites focused on Asian males that I know of.

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Posted - Nov 2 2014 : 5:12AM

And the only times Black Males work is when White producers want to play the stereotypical Black males lusting after White chics. Just like the only time Black females work is when they're display as ghetto or street whore or shaking their big asses.By the way,who's fault is it that Asian guys aren't working as much as Black males.Last time I check,the porn is industry is control by White guys go figure.Also,if Keni wants more work maybe he should start his own site where he's screwing all the dodgers.
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