^ It's complete coincidence. Don't you think you're noticing girls stop shooting after appearing on Dogfart or Blacked because those are sites that you frequent the most? A girl like Sophia Steele did a few Bangbros scenes at the beginning of this year and I haven't seen her anywhere since, I don't come to the conclusion that doing a bangbros scene was her downfall. The same with Sam Summers, she did a Team Skeet scene and a few Naughty America scenes and is no where to be found.
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Posted - Nov 10 2014 : 7:05PM
lol Prince... monster cock?! Well he's bigger than average but no "monster". There's photos online of Voodoo with Prince from a joint-scene they did (on reality kings) side by side and Voodoo is longer. So why don't they put Voodoo in the monster of cock series... oh I forgot no white men aloud lol. All these websites have well promoted series dedicated to big black guys but rarely a big white guy series for monster cocks. Instead of people focusing on this thread on females you should look at that issue. It's bias plane and simple. If you have got a big black dick in porn your treated like a king and everyone knows you and always talking about you i.e. more fans, but if you got a big white dick you have less fans and less work. Look how many dvd series titles have big black in the title, but hardly any big white lol.
Bill66 I've been watching this forum and, others you've posted on and anytime a black performer is mentioned you make it a mission to denounce them. I don't know why you're obsessed with the lengths of male talents members in the first place, but that's your perogative. IR is a niche that focuses on the size of a black man's penis because of that old stereotype. Just because someone says a certain black male talent's penis is big, why do you take that as a slight to other white male talent? The reason there is no emphasis on white is because MOST studios already shoot white talent without question. When there is an IR pairing it's something different which is why the words BLACK and WHITE are emphasized. Why would a white girl need to say "you have a big white cock"? That's just redundant. There are sites dedicated to IR because it's not as common. There is no need for multiple sites dedicated to "big cock white guys" because they're all in a sense already dedicated to them because they're the majority in porn.
Nope. The answer to that question is that people and the times are changing and the old guard of people who on to the old way of thinking are finally coming around or dying off. This generation of white girls don't have the hang-ups with black people the way the previous generation did. Porn has changed and the trends of what's okay and what isn't continues to change. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think fans have as much power in getting a girl to do IR as they may think. I think they can annoy the girl with IR request/demands but a director will always have far more power than fans when it comes to getting a girl to do IR. And even the directors won't be able to sway a girl who just doesn't want to it. Amy Reid probably did have to deal with annoying fan pressure to do IR for years. And she could've gone on for many more years without doing it and putting up with or ignoring fan requests. I'm pretty sure Amy finally did it because of money and career...not because of fan pressure.
Porn and the world at large continues to change and blacks are more accepted and viewed in more positive light as time goes on. Despite the talk in this thread, IR sex in porn becomes more and more common. It's probably still seen as niche in porn to some but it's changed over the decades. There was a time when IR porn was something mostly done by the lower end studios and was probably seen as a step down in porn. Now it's a much more mainstream part of porn. There's more money to be made from it. There are girls who build careers from doing it. As to the girls themselves...This generation of girls have been more exposed to black people in their lives as America has become more acepting of blacks and black culture. More schools are intergrated, less negative images of black in the media (for the most part), more black on the big screen, small screen, singing their favorite songs, etc...interratial dating and couples are more common. The stigma just isn't there the way it used to be. Things are simply different now. Apparently not different enough for some here...but different.
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Posted - Nov 10 2014 : 10:17PM
Point of reference. I've mentioned it in my review for the release "Thirst for Cum" that Adriana actually gave head to a couple of black guys and they didn't do any close ups like they did for the white guys.
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Nov 10 2014 : 10:47PM
^I remember you mentioning this. Perhaps she asked them not to show it? She's really an odd case. Unlike most other pornstars who refuse to shoot IR, career worries and the stereotypical style of IR scenes were only her secondary excuses. Instead, the primary reason she offered to Stern was in essence her value system. Interracial sex goes against her values. In light of this the blowbang thing is weird. That she would even entertain the thought of shooting with Prince Yashua is weird. I guess a person could speculate that her answer to Stern was part of a calculated strategy to drive up her asking price, but I have a hard time believing that theory.
Well it depends on the number of scenes they do , Naughty America and Brazzers shoot tons of scenes and so do all major networks even ten stars retiring a month is a very low percentage overall, but when you have a site with barely thirty scenes with only 20 stars in there any number of stars quitting or ceasing doing IR is a percentage to take into account. Anyway you guys claim there's racism into porn , I bring you some data which may support this claim and show that apparently there's something very wrong at work , but at this point you rule out this possible proof as merely coincidental? Perhaps it's because it doesn't fit your belief that no harm would occur to any actress who begins to do IR The interview to Lily Labeau by Billy Watson is very enlightening, Lily was (still is) a star in demand and was a Spieglergirl so she could ignore those who attacked her, but how many other stars have been treated that way ? How many did actually lose opportunities , not every star has the strength Lily had , nor a supportive agent like Spiegler. If you read the interview to Scarlet Red she wasn't as specific as Lily, but something happened to have her cease to do IR so adamantly and Scarlet is a star in demand , just imagine the newbies. I say we have to support those actresses who do IR , the only way is to have them in demand , it is the only way to weaken the racists , their weapon is their control over the market , they may prevent stars from working , or prevent them from the best opportunities to maintain their grip over the lesser starlet. But they are requested more and more. that is to be supportive , that means to allow a career choice to be as less harmful as we can make it. If you stay in denial ignoring an actual behaviour, then you're actually helping the racists to maintain their grip over the market
Indeed but still it's a commercial strategy rather than actual racism, we may discuss about the morality of this behaviour , but actual racism is something different
As I said above, Japanese videos are highly specific. Most of the Japanese videos are with censorship. Because of this, there do not pay much attention to size of male performers as in US and Europe..
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Nov 11 2014 : 11:46AM
^^^I've never been against the practice of pornstars asking/receiving more money for IR scenes. If I were in their position, I would do the same thing. t's a job. If you can get more money from that job, why wouldn't you? I also happen to like the "watch the racist girl get fucked by a black guy" type scenes that ILVBUTT criticized on MimeFreak's thread. They're fetish scenes. I didn't use to get offended when Pornstars Punishment depicted "rape" either. That said, going so far as to present yourself as a bigot in your real life by spouting racist rhetoric to a mass audience solely for the purpose of a big pay day down the line is beyond the pale offensive and demonstrates incredible insensitivity to the very real problem of racism in American society. I hope the amoral strategy which we are discussing does not develop into a general practice among new pornstars. Considering that at least two major black figures in the industry appear to be entirely indifferent to the fact that someone with whom they are working used prejudice against their race to secure a bigger paycheck, I could see other young pornstars deciding that what was done is somehow an ethically acceptable hustle that is worthy of imitation. The entire thing just makes my head spin.
You have to remember at the end of the day this is porn and the talent pool is very deep now, so if a girl is not incredibly, ridiculously freaky or just a flat out amazing preformer she not gonna last long IR or no ir and I could name you just has many girls that refused to do IR and are now retired, Callie Calypso, Capri Andersen, Ava Taylor, Ricki Six, Naomi West, Kimber Day, and on on on. So for you to say the reason those specific girls don't last long is solely because they don't do ir is 1) flat out untrue 2) kind of offensive to IR fans.
^ Offensive to what? I stated some ugly things who might be proof of some racist lobby active in the Industry wiping out of business those who aren't strong enough to face them, especially newbies or those with the wrong agent. Now instead of trying to find out if there really is such a lobby (which incidentally is what may prevent some stars from doing IR) you get offended? I don't see many IR fans following the starlets to support them, to harass them yes , but not to support them, Oh wait a minute, you do support Allie Haze , ah well good to know for those who had to give up their career, very comforting. as for Capri Anderson she stayed in porn for over 6 years mostly in Lez porn when she came went to B/G she was under contract with Vivid , then, after that with Porn Pros with whom she only performed with her then boyfriend Tyler Nixon (or so was said) not really much room for IR as you guys mean it.
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Posted - Nov 11 2014 : 4:29PM
Hey Bill, seeing as you're so obsessed with BIG BLACK MONSTER COCK why don't you take your lil white buttcheeks over to the gay forum and open up a thread about your love for the BBC over there because you're getting on my fucking nerves.
I have to agree with you. Look how many of the newcomer girls that shot with Blacked for example, have now disappeared since. And blacked is a young site. I think its a difference between girls who have long careers and then shoot IR, they have their fan base already. But it seems for some reason if a girl shoots IR from the get-go she doesn't get the same kind of buzz. (And im not hating on IR or Blacked, just how it looks to me) And i dont think its purely because fans or that the companies that shoot IR that treat the girls badly and that makes them quit, i think it has to do with other studios not wanting to shoot the girl no more for some reason. And i dont count myself as a IR fan specifically. I like scenes regardless of the color of the guys genitalia. If i watch a scene with Remy for example, it dont care if they guys dick is brown, white or green. As Long as the scene is good (angels, intensity, positions etc). Dont care if its mandingo fucking the girl or mick blue, as long as it's a good quality scene to my liking. Dont really understand why IR is genre at all tbh I guess it has something to do with US history, as fucking a black guy for is more "dirty" or taboo. I dont know of any IR specific sites or studios here in Europe. In the US there are alot. Just throwing my two cents in.
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Bill66 Deactivated User
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Posted - Nov 11 2014 : 5:31PM
Sorry pal, I prefer BWC :) As for your aggressive posts you are just upset I destroyed your BBC fantasies of Mandingo being 14 inches in the other thread. Scientific evidence demonstrates no race is longer over-all but you don't wanna accept it instead you promoting the myth on here about black men being bigger which is offensive and has no basis in truth. I can name six or so white dudes who are longer than your hereo Mandingo. He's been measured by Charley Chase around 9.5"... so mate get over it and Criss Strokes did a joint scene with Sean Michaels with Casey Calvert and Strokes was longer than Michaels. Last time I checked Michaels was one of the biggest "BBC" in porn but he's been outdone by a BWC who is nowhere near the longest. So what's so special about BBC? It isn't longer than Asian, Indian, Latina or White. It's just a colour at the end of the day. But I have a legit bone-pressed measurement of 7.9 inches and yeh I'm white and bigger than most guys in porn. Can your little black cock (LBC) beat me? I don't think so, shhh plz. I am straight by the way, sorry to disappoint you :)
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Posted - Nov 11 2014 : 5:37PM
^ I think Bill66 is an cuckold
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Bill66 Deactivated User
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Posted - Nov 11 2014 : 6:30PM
Firstly, cuckoldry doesn't imply interracial - before dogfart came a long. Danny Long a well hung white porn star (who was later banned from porn) did cuckold scenes with small dick white guys. And Julian Rios (a white-Latina dude) also had a series where a white man would sit in the back and watch him drill a girl. Race never used to be an issue and there was nothing homosexual in these scenes. It was only dogfart who messed things up with their degrading content later on with race. But you are wrong, I have never liked cuckoldry, it is linked to sadism and this is not a good thing :) It seems to me the 'modern' cuckoldry only works if the guy playing the cuckold has a small cock and wants to humiliate himself, and most of those men are not straight, they are bisexual at the minimum eating another mans sperm? Yes it is grosse and those guys have a fetish. 1. I'm too big (I am bigger than some of the black guys who do those scenes). 2. I am not a sadist who wants to humiliate myself. 3. I am 100% straight. 4. As explained I like big white cocks, I admit my bias. BUT I admit I have only ever requested it once to the dogfart network but to do it the opposite way round i.e. a small black dick guy and a giant white dick drilling a black girl. So far they IGNORED this request and have only done one scene of this with Criss Strokes. BUT if they were to do more of these scenes and exclude some of the gay stuff like eating sperm or sucking dildos , maybe I would enjoy it. They should use Danny D (Whitezilla), Clover or Bruce Venture three hung white men. Actually I would be up for that but they won't do it, instead they put all their time and money into promoting the myth black guys are bigger. I already demonstrated why this myth is false. If users here just want to chuck around ad-hominem attacks at me or play reverse-psychology games that's up to you, but I will not be taking part any more in this little 'debate'. I have said what I want to say. Regards. :) Edited by - bill66 on 11/11/2014 6:40:38 PM Edited by - bill66 on 11/11/2014 6:45:05 PM
Ok I missed that you were trying to make a connection with Lily's situation. I'd like to think that the way of thinking from the anonymous director isn't a widely shared mindset in the industry, but who knows. However, I don't believe that racist directors are causing a majority of girls "disappearing" however. I honestly thinks it's tough for any girl to break through nowadays with such a saturated market. Also, you don't have to tell me about support when I already do with new 1st IR performers(Brooke Ultra, Brooke Wylde, Katrina Jade, & many more have my full attention for all scenes and I request them often). I understand though that this mindset needs to be widespread.
Racism is everywhere as are peoples personal preferences. If a girl doesnt want to work with black dick she has that right...al that means is more black dicks for me!!
Even though we quote each other I believe we all are addressing to a general audience and not just chatting between us ; I quoted you but my claims are general, I'm not challenging you specifically, and you have some points directors and agents do have a grip over the starlets , especially if they are linked together with a purpose. Even though it has nothing to do with this topic , the situation of Siri was interesting and set a good example of what I mean, she had issues with her agent , and for months tried to get booked on her own , her agent prevented her from working, when requested said she was retired or unavailable, he also seemed to have used strong means of persuasion to directors and producers to not book her , a director who continued to book her here said she had to give up to support her because she was experiencing difficulties to get performers. Her only support were her fans and their will to keep her in high demand. That was support other than her strength of will , she was constantly reminded there were people waiting for her , it lasted more than year. So yes a group of racists banded together may really harm a star if her agent is involved or has been forced into involvement How often this happens I don't know, but it's worth finding out. Yes many stars retire or are one and done , but usually they don't do anything controversial , there aren't "racists" against anal sex for example, or lez sex , so in such cases there's no other explanation than coincidence , with IR though it's different. Aren't you interested in find out who those racist are and try to weaken them? I'd be, better say, I am.
MOD: Since now we are just ignoring the warning about etiquette here and I have no time this morning to try and clean up those who couldn't behave, the thread is locked for now. Edited by - flash on 11/12/2014 8:05:38 AM
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