I concur I think I've been the only guy here mentioning this problem until now , however there's one asia performer it's Keni Styles. There aren't in European porn, the same may be said for male Arabian performers , there was only one that I know of , it was Moroccan Zenza Raggi lives and worked mainly in Germany
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Posted - Nov 8 2014 : 10:10AM
Well, the last thing anyone watching porn wants to see is a guy with a little dick hence the lack of Asians. I've seen plenty of Japanese releases and its a recurring issue. The second question is because Asian girls are exotic, hot, small, and look good impaled on a big dick.
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It isn't but I would like to know what statistic evidence you have. I already debated this with another user, he had a valid point that some guys probably do like this (especially in America), but not a majority or in Europe. They have done search term checks for European countries on porn website and it is not black. In my country Britain Popular terms seem to be 'milf', 'british' and 'lisa ann'. The race fetish mostly seems to come from America and it comes from the myth spread from the American porn industry that black men have giant size dongs bigger than any other race (the myth isnt' true) but this isn't a forum to delve into this, lol I could be debating that issue all night. Anyway the dudes who like cuckold have small cocks. You won't ever seen a big dick cuckold or a dude with a big dick jacking off over a cuckold. And if you look at interracial cuckold porn most of the guys that truly like this are not 100% straight (no matter what they say), they are bisexual or have some very, very weird fetish, those men have an obsession with trying to humiliate themselves, it is a form of sadism, and they eat sperm and sucking dildos etc. This does not represent a large percentage of the male population (doesn't matter what race you are). It does not represent the average straight or 'normal' man off the street. You are looking here at a very small box of strange, strange fetishists. The majority of the population would be offended by this stuff and would consider it down right perverse. I will never ever take part in anything like that it is degrading. I am not trying to play moral ground here because we are all perverts who like porn, but that cuckold stuff some of it is just weird maybe even you agree. As for myself I am a 22 year old hung white dude and I have been watching porn on and off since I was 17, I have never jacked off to a black man with a white women, it doesn't turn me on or feel 'normal' to me. I have nothing against black male pornstars like Lex or Wesley Pipes but id rather watch a white dude with a big dick like Bruce Venture, Johnny Sins, Danny D or Clover. We all have our preferences. As explained I'm mostly into Latina or black women, not because I have some 'fetish' but most white girls aren't that nice I have discovered, they are stuck up and a lot of these black women are underappreciated :) As for the biggest watchers of cuckold I honestly do not know but it is not a common fantasy amongst all males - I don't buy into it and neither do any of my mates who all watch porn. I don't know how many females watch porn but if you look on tumblr it seems all the cuckold blogs are owned by bisexual men or women. I think the biggest viewers of interracial pornography are black men, maybe not cuckoldry but definitely interracial. We just need to be honest there. Most black men lust over white women, lol. Nearly all interracial porn is a black man with a white women. There is hardly any black on black porn but loads of white on white porn. Most white dudes like white women (especiually in Europe), but most black dudes would prefer a white women over black. When I was in school all black guys used to do is talk about white girls or watch interracial porn on their phones, they never talked about black girls. For some reason a lot of black guys don't like black women sexually because In society the white female is portrayed as more beautiful or sexy as something and a lot of people end up falling for this, just like the media now portray the black men as 'bigger' than the white man. lol. It's messed up but that is the way it is. If skin colour didn't exist I think the world would be a better place. But I am always interested in knowing what porn, indian or Asian people watch, apparently they are racist against blacks and mostly watch white porn. Look at the caste system in India they have an obsession with light skin and If you look at anime all the characters are light skinned and they have an obsession with blonde hair, blue eyes or Caucasian features. So this is a global problem and it is something that could be discussed round and round over and over... but just enjoy life... race is just a colour, we are all human at the end of the day. Porn is fantasy, not reality, so never take it seriously. But thanks for the chat pal and other users and good luck with whatever your into :) Edited by - bill66 on 11/8/2014 3:29:22 PM Edited by - bill66 on 11/8/2014 3:30:55 PM Edited by - bill66 on 11/8/2014 3:34:44 PM
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Posted - Nov 8 2014 : 3:38PM
You are making the same sort of unfounded generalizations and assumptions that you are criticizing. How do you know that the above statements are factual?Edited by - misspornUSA on 11/8/2014 3:39:07 PM
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Posted - Nov 8 2014 : 4:44PM
For the sake of argument, let us say that you are correct about that. That the biggest viewers of IR are black males does not mean that the biggest consumers of IR are also black males.And how many "black dudes" are there in the world? MOST of them prefer white women?Are you sure about that?WHO guidelines on condom size call for condoms of 53-millimeter width for Africa, 52-millimeter width for North America and Europe and 49-millimeter-width condoms for Asia. In general, black men are "bigger" than the white man. Edited by - misspornUSA on 11/8/2014 4:45:08 PM
A performer can refuse to work with anyone they want but once you start refusing based solely off of off the color of a performers skin, then that is raciest. And don't gimme that lame ass attraction bullshit because I've seen interviews with girls who refuse to do scenes with black guys but then say that that "could find something attractive about anyone".This right here is the whole issue in a nutshell, you just compared having one on one sex with a black man(on camera for money)to having sex with your brother or father, being gagged and beaten, having a cock in your ass or two cocks in you at once, to having sex with more then 3 men at once and to gay for pay. How are any of these things comparable? There not.No I'm not saying that every girl has to work with everyone in the business but don't exclude other performers based solely on race, that's it. You bring up James Deen and Rocco like they have to face the same problems that Lex and Prince have you deal with, you only ever see a girlgirl talk about not working with a white guy because he's to rough or they worked with them and they didn't like it, black male performers aren't giving that same chance, that's all I'm saying. Edited by - bobmarblee on 11/8/2014 6:35:57 PM
I think IR cuckold movies/scenes appeal to different people for different reasons.... There are those who watch it mostly because it IR porn. I watch it for that reason. I mostly find the cuckold distacting and annoying in a lot of those movies but I put up with it because I want to see certain female performers with a black male. There are those that watch it for the same reason they watch or are into big black male on white female porn. They like the image and idea of a big black male giving it to a white woman. They don't really care about the cuckold husband aspect. There are those who get off on humiliation aspect. In some cases it's the husband who is powerless as their wife laughs at them and their penis size while taking it from the well hung black guy. This humiliation type porn is also present in some of the DOGFART stuff where the son or daughter has to watch their mom getting it on with a black male. Some fans may enjoy some cucklold porn because of the swingers aspect the wife/girlfriend being with another guy...in this case a big black man. Not all "cuckold" movies are about humiliation. There are some where the guy is happy to watch his lady take it from the guy and sometimes happily joins in. Then there are people who watch it simply because it done by a studio they enjoy or are into the performers. Those people don't have a strong feeling toward cuckold-dom but simply like the work from that studio or performer. Between all those reasons and all those type of viewers that's what makes IR cuckold as succesful as it is. Not everyone watches for the same reason but it appeals to several different types of porn watcher.
I don't watch any cuckold movies/scenes, even if there is a realy interesting female performers. I absolutely don't understand how it can like someone, but eventually people have different tastes. So fans of such scenes can be everywhere among all races. Edited by - Volk on 11/9/2014 2:48:31 AM
Again to define someone racist you have to be absolutely sure she is , I'm sure racists are in the industry, I'm saying not everyone is only because doesn't do IR , there are many reasons for this other than the actress herself , unless you mean that an actress should break all links with friends and family and never go back to her town because most of them are racists just because she "has" to perform an IR scene (and as I saw written n Blacked thread , most of those there want new girls every week, they don't give a flying fuck to the performer's life . Just do OUR IR scene then die alone basically) I'll give you some examples Taylor Rain has been caught fucking black guys at parties , never did on screen, her father threatened her , he would have killed her if she ever did that on screen, and she said: he really would , I know him. Diana Prince had a black boyfriend who didn't allow her to perform with blacks, she started when her relationship ended Leya Falcon's black ex- husband didn't allow her to perform with blacks out of jealousy she begun when they divorced There are White supremacists performers who did IR regularly , they wouldn't for any reason do that in private According to your definition Taylor , Leya and Diana are racists whereas the real racists aren't Bobmarblee wrote:This right here is the whole issue in a nutshell, you just compared having one on one sex with a black man(on camera for money)to having sex with your brother or father, being gagged and beaten, having a cock in your ass or two cocks in you at once, to having sex with more then 3 men at once and to gay for pay. How are any of these things comparable? There not.
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I didn't compared anything, I LISTED some performances many actresses won't do , as for the brother and sister it was referred to an actual episode occurred to Amber Lynn and her brother they ended up finding each other in the same scene and they had to refuse even though they were already scheduled for that. I didn't list Swallowing nor Creampies nor Facials nor rimming even though some actresses don't like those As for rimming Valentina Nappi likes to do that yet in a scene with Wesley Pipes and Rico Strong she badly wanted to rim them,but both males adamantly refused to let her , Rico even escaped from her. Any actor and actress has THE RIGHT to refuse whatever she finds uncomfortable doing , whatever the reason , there's no comparison it's a list As you saw in there I even put straight sex for those who don't want to do that either their partners don't want, or they are actual gays Bobmarblee wrote:No I'm not saying that every girl has to work with everyone in the business but don't exclude other performers based solely on race, that's it. You bring up James Deen and Rocco like they have to face the same problems that Lex and Prince have you deal with, you only ever see a girlgirl talk about not working with a white guy because he's to rough or they worked with them and they didn't like it, black male performers aren't giving that same chance, that's all I'm saying.
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There's a misunderstanding here, I didn't say the girls have to refuse those men , I said the males have to refuse those scenes. An actor, any actor in any acting environment has a commercial image , such image is what gives them a value , they are there to make money the actors I mentioned are dominant won't play the sub or the cuckold it'll harm their commercial brand. Same for actresses some of them escort in southern States or go stripping and feature dancing in racist areas or just are hired to be in local stores and events, or are webcamming for those same customers , if she does something that is not fit with her commercial image she will lose everything. Maybe in the past they may have ignored that , but with this economics they surely can't didn't you notice that many stars even renown stars don't do more than 4 scenes per month? Lower level stars even less, they cannot make a living that way , porn is show to to maintain them known and requested, a commercial spot their true incomes come from what they do off set , many just can't afford to give that up, or to risk to give that up just for a couple IR scenes made for people who won't support her in any other way and who will not add anything to her off set business
Great examples of why it's wrong to label a girl racist solely based on if she's done IR porn. How can anyone just freely toss out out such an awful term for a person they don't know simply based on what they do on film? We keep hearing about girls who don't do IR scenes but bang black guys off camera. Unless that girl or someone tells people that in an interview or someone puts that out there most fans will never know and some will call them racist just because they've never seen the girl with a black guy on film, while in reality she might actually prefer black men. I'm sure the girls you mentioned above probably got called racist by some before they were able to get the truth out there. I'm sue there are plenty of other girls out there who've gone through the same thing being labelled by fans who really know nothing about them or their situation.
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Posted - Nov 9 2014 : 1:47PM
^I can't remember the exacts words that either of them used, but on his radio show Howard Stern asked (I think last year) if she preferred black guys and in response she basically said that she has no preference and that her current boyfriend is white. In the past she has dated/hooked up with several famous black men and I believe that her and Stern discussed a couple of these relationships during her interview.
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Posted - Nov 9 2014 : 2:09PM
The proof is in the pudding right there on the screen, in the girl's mouth, her pussy, etc etc. The Japanese guys in Japanese porn have small dicks.
I've heard Lisa Ann say in an interview that she prefers black men. The thing is that even if a pornstar actually prefers black men they probably wouldn't admit it because it might turn off some of their white audience. Porn has plenty of pornstars who've dated, banged or prefer black men but when they enter the biz don't or can't do IR or as much as they'd like to. Most of those girls the fans don't know about because not every girl is interviewed or asked about the subject. Mostly the only time girls get asked about black guys is in the BTS segment of IR movies and fans find out this stuff after they've actually shoot an IR scene.
LCF wrote:You misunderstood what i was saying. In my post I said that "when a girl excludes other performers based solely on race THAT'S racist". I was not calling the girl racist, was calling the practice racist. Really dude, you really believe if a girl that already fucks on cam for money would be any less or more ostracized for then having sex with a black man? You just said it yourself that its a known fact that Taylor Rain fucks Black guys off camera, do you really think that her father, brother, mother, their friends and her friends don't that(if they know what she does)? what the fuck difference would it make if she fucks a black man on camera? None. LCF wrote:You "listing" all of those things is completely irrelevant, the girls that get asked about IR are girls that do Boy/Girl scene with white dudes but haven with black dudes. So you continuously bring up gay sex and incest is beyond me.I really don't know what to say after reading that. I can't believe that you really think that if a girl does an IR scene it will destroy her career. Here are the facts: at of the top 100 most searched girls in porn 49 have performed at least one IR scene in including the #1 girl Siri and The IR legend Gianna Micheals is still in the top 10(No Alexis Texas at all). 3 of the top 5 best selling DVDs right now have at least one IR scene(Anikka vol.2, Interracial Anal and Angela). If doing IR really hurt a girls booking for feature dancing then why did one of the most notorious non-IR girls, Nikki Bennz, all of a sudden decide to do IR after all these years?
At the end of the day IR fans don't care what a girl does off camera and honestly why should they? I've seen guys on here and other forum site talk about Brandi Love say she fucked black guys off camera and she thinks that should give her "IR cred" or whatever but if its not happening on camera its not happening at all.
A while back (2010) a un-named director apparently sent Lily Labeau hate mail because she started to do IR. She spoke of this on Billy Watson's "I shoot porn" blog. Here are a few excerpts. I Shoot Porn: So you got your first hate mail this morning? Lilly LaBeau: Yep, and the tag line was so strong. You know how you can see the first sentence of your e-mails on mySpace? This one said, “Wow! So you’re fucking niggers now?” ISP: He’s pissed you’ve added IR to your dance card. LL: Yea. Let me show you. (We log into her mySpace and it reads: “So you fucking NIGGERS now I wanted to hire you but not now that you are fucking NIGGERS!”) I wanted to yell back at him and cuss him out, but I chose not to because it’s a waste of time and effort. Negative energy is just…eh. I don’t wanna feel like that. I don't know if the director in question is still in the business, or how prevalent that attitude is in the industry; but that attitude did exist and I doubt that mindset has evaporated to non-existence in a scant four years. Edited by - negrine on 11/9/2014 7:41:40 PM
-Trying to change what's already set into place -Trying to close how far the gap between you and those that have distanced themselves from you is If it's that bad, GTFO, start own, and do own thing on own terms. Das it, mane.
Is this an actual linear reasoning ? you are saying that someone who act as racist is not racist? There's no difference in my view, if anybody behave a racist IS a racist , you can't be either. As for Taylor her father would shoot her , he didn't mind anything private but she said he told her he would kill her if she did IR on camera, simple as that , and she said : I know him, he would. There's no theoretical reasoning over that she just couldn't do IR on camera. IR is a category in porn , as is anal, and any other performance paid as such , anything a performer finds uncomfortable doing could be refused, ANYTHING. It is a right , there aren't half rights or rights but, or rights if, there are rights PERIOD. Have a performer the right to refuse to perform something he/she finds unfit or uncomfortable? The answer is one and one alone YES.I listed sexual acts some performers do some others don't There are veggie performers who are harassed over doing B/G even though they do males off camera or are even marriedDid you actually read what I wrote, I was talking about off set works I enhanced when said , why a star should lose thousands dollars from escorting to get $400 for an IR scene? For any star you mentioned there are some who have been kicked out , above my reply is partly reported something happened to Lily Labeau, she was strong and in demand enough to go on , but newbies just cannot. Carmen Callaway in a BTS at Dogfart mentioned she has been heavily harassed by racists but here is a database go on Blacked and begin to put some of the IR first timers , then put the names over there and take a good look at the number of scenes they did after that ,or just their careers pace before and after you'll find a lot of awful surprises Last why do you think a star have to show you who she fucks? It's private , porn is A JOB , a job with rates and customers , you sell your performances to those who buy them , many IR fans do not support anything else , why a performer should lose 4 customers to gain one? Especially if that one would only support one kind of scene EDIT To add , it has been reported many a time that some stars suffered a loss of followers on twitter, possibly the dowload rate of their scenes dropped down either. Yet I didn't hear of any IR fan going to follow those girls to support them in their choice and to en courage them. They only reasoning I see is: Do our IR scene and go die alone. Edited by - LCF on 11/10/2014 9:03:47 AM
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Posted - Nov 10 2014 : 11:02AM
The only reason this is any sort of big deal is because there are some people that can't wrap their heads around their favorite stars being with someone of another race. Whether it's black, asian, any shade of brown, or even white, if a fan gets upset about it to the point where they contact or demean the girl involved, it's serious insecurity on their part about her choices breaking the fantasy image. At the end of the day, if a girl starts doing IR, it doesn't mean she's not going to be with any guys of her own race again, and it doesn't mean you have to watch her IR scenes. If a girl does a scene with 49 white guys and it's not a problem, then fucks 1 black guy and it becomes a problem, the problem isn't with her, but with the person that has the problem.
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Posted - Nov 10 2014 : 12:02PM
^^Part of the problem in discussions like this is the insistence of some porn fans that the porn industry be more advanced on racial issues than American society at large. That is an unrealistic expectation.Those aren't porn problems, they're American problems. Edited by - misspornUSA on 11/10/2014 12:07:25 PM
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Posted - Nov 10 2014 : 12:45PM
I wasn't gonna discuss this, but might as well go for it! You ready?? So in regard to your first point I don't know where you have pulled this from mate, but it is not evidence for bigger dick sizes in any races. There are different ethnic groups in different parts of Africa and North America so it wouldn't "prove" anything and some parts of these countries do not even use condoms. Even if this was true this is not evidence for anything about dick size because it is a well known fact men always buy or suggest larger condoms then they can fit. And yes there are psychological studies that have shown that certain men from ethnic groups think they are bigger, and maybe they do request larger condoms but this does not mean they are. I am interested in scientific evidence not anecdotal stuff, word of mouth gossip or self-reported claims. Here is what the science says, from top peer-reviewed medical journals: 12.9 centimetres is equivalent to 5.08 inches, and this is the erect size for Asian men based on a large study: Chen, Li, Yang, Dai JC, "A comprehensive, prospective study of penile dimensions in Chinese men of multiple ethnicities". Int J Impot Res. 2014 Sep-Oct;26 (5):172-6. As for white men in my home country: Khan, Somani B, Lam W, Donat R. "Establishing a reference range for penile length in Caucasian British men: a prospective study of 609 men". BJU Int. 2012 Mar;109(5):740-4. Scored an average of 14.3cm which is 5. 6 inches erect. As for black males in Africa: Orakwe JC, Ogbuagu BO, Ebuh GU. "Can physique and gluteal size predict penile length in adult Nigerian men?" West Afr J Med. 2006 Jul-Sep;25(3):223-5. There average erect length was 13.37 cm which is 5.2 inches. So no evidence that blacks are "bigger". As for Americans: Herbenick D, Reece M, Schick V, Sanders SA. "Erect penile length and circumference dimensions of 1,661 sexually active men in the United States." J Sex Med. 2014 Jan;11(1):93-101. Average erect length was 14.15 cm which is 5. 7 inches erect. There are more white people in America than black, we don't have any specific data on this study on race. But global average length when you add all these studies together from all races is that the average of all races is 5.1-5.9 inches. And yes I do know that some Asian countries have about 4. 8 inches but not all. As for white and black men in America: A study tested the "the popular belief that the black people generally have longer penile sizes" but discovered in reality "there is no convincing scientific background to support the ascription of bigger penile dimensions to people of the Black race". According to the study "the average erect length of the American Caucasians was surprisingly longer" than Negroids sampled, but that the latter were longer flaccid. JC, Orakwe., GU, Ebuh. 'Oversized' Penile Length In The Black People; Myth Or Reality". (2007). Tropical Journal of Medical Research. Vol. 11(1): 16-18. I could cite many other scientific studies but you get the idea. They all seem to fall into 5.1 inch to 5.7 range no bigger. No race has an average of a 6 inch cock and yes I do know some dude on the internet has a penis size map where he is claiming men around the world are 7 or 8 inches on average, his data was a hoax and non-existent. Most men on earth do not have 7 inches. If you look in the porn industry most guys are 6.5 to 7.5 inches and the "monster" ones 8 to 9 inches. The giant black dong myth has no basis in reality, it only exists in porn. I am not saying that there are not big dick black guys out there, there clearly is, but over-all there are big and small dicks in all races. The idea all black men are bigger it is a myth promoted by the American porn industry especially by dogfart and bang bros "monsters of cock" series. Those American porn companies that shoot interracial flicks with black men and white women have Rico Strong, Wesley Pipes, Sean Michaels, Lexington Steele, Mandingo, Ice Cold and about another five big black guys that dominate that side of the mainstream porn industry. It has fooled people into believing these guys are 13 or 14 inches long or all black men are that long. The porn industry mass exaggerates their sizes. If you don't believe me look at Steve Holmes who has posted on this very forum, he is white but they were promoting his dong on a dvd case as 13 inches, he's admitted himself to being 7.5". And Lex did a joint scene with Steve Holmes, he was longer but only by an inch or so. Black guys like Charlie Macc or Rico Strong are all in the 8" range, it is easy to work out. There are even measurements of these guys. People don't realise how big a legit 8 inch cock really is. But firstly we all agree Mandingo is the longest dong in mainstream porn (I say mainstream because there are dudes bigger than him out of it i.e. the gay Hispanic pornstar Max Delong), but Mandingo has been measured by Charley Chase at 9.5 inches fully erect with a Barbie doll (the doll is 11. 5 inch), he was a lot shorter than it... Lex has been measured in Lewd Conduct 3 at just over 9 inches but it was a side measurement (incorrect measurement) and taken from his leg. Correctly measured he is around 8.5" or a bit more maybe but not over 9". And Wesley Pipes has been measured at 8.5 inches by Jessie Volt with a remote controller that was 9 inches long. These are the "monster" black guys of porn and none of them are 10 inches. Now if we look at "monster" cock white guys who are less known in mainstream porn like Clover, Danny D, William Wood or White Pony they are all have the same length as Wesley Pipes, Lex or Sean Michaels etc. There is a measurement of Danny D with his dong in a fleshlight which is 9 inches long and he fills most of it up, he is around 8.5" the same size as Lex. And white guys like Kieran Lee or Bruce Venture are up there as well and should not be forgotten. I can name other guys but you get my point. None are 10 inches though. I have only seen a few 10"s and they are outside of porn, it is extremely rare. I have a big dong myself but I don't need to lie about my size, I am in the high 7" range. People originally thought that the mega hung white dude Criss Strokes had a 10 inch cock but he's been measured in about six scenes and there are many photographs of this online, he is 7.5" inches at the most. People over-estimate the sizes of these guys but it's easy to work out their real sizes. At the end of the day the only monster cock black dude who beats anyone else in porn is Mandingo, but look closely it is only by an inch or so. He is not 14 inches lol. Like another user said on another thread, body build comes into this and he is a short guy. But as explained in some of my other posts on this forum I have a blog dedicated to finding monster white cocks out of porn. I have found six white men who are the same size of Mandingo if not bigger, they are all amateurs or outside of porn though. Some of them so big they probably can't always get erect. I will only name drop a few I could be here all day. Firstly Mr_Snufalufagus is a white guy who has a legit measurement of 9.8 inches, he's the only guy on the internet who has demonstrated this out of millions of men. There is a Swedish guy called Pirapus (easily mandingo size), a British guy called bigdicknickb (measured 9"), and an American called Quercusone who has done amateur vids etc who is 9.5" . You can easily look them up, some have done solo scenes. Most of these well hung white men seem to come from Europe. There is hardly any porn companies in Europe. Hardly anyone has heard of these men. So in conclusion I would say no... BBC is not the truth over-all because there are BWCs out there as well and there are many small black and white dudes. There is big and small dick in all races. There are even big indian dicks. The American porn market just focuses on those very few big black dudes and then promotes the myth all black dudes are swinging a giant dong. The giant white dudes are not promoted as much or not as much heard of. I am not trying to change it. That's just the way it is. You can feel free to disagree everything what I have said, but I bring evidence to the table and am I firm realist. And most people I have debated on this issue over the years always agree with me, lol. Regards. Edited by - bill66 on 11/10/2014 12:51:55 PM
^ Bill66 really has issues with Black men's dick sizes like relax you're doing way too much.
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Posted - Nov 10 2014 : 12:53PM
I don't have an issue, he made a statement black men are bigger, it is a statement we see all over the internet without any evidence to back it up. I proved him wrong with scientific evidence. Ok I am done. If he wants to refute any of that, he can try :)
LCF wrote:Were just talking in circles now because you look at IR(White woman/black man) has a porn category and I don't. I don't see it has an "extreme acy" like apparently do. LCF wrote:LMFAO!!! How do you know if ir fans support there favorite girls or not? Is completely ridiculous for you to assume that IR fans don't support their favorite girls on or off set. Have you ever been to any porn convention? I have and I've witnessed how loyal IR fans are. BTW I don't think any girl has to shoe me anything she does in her private life, you brought up there private lives, I could care less what or who someone who has sex on camera does away from it.
I don't think anyone is asking the porn industry to be more forward thinking them the rest of the country, were just asking for it to caught up. The porn business is the only industry left were its OK to discriminate based on race and it's not just white women refusing to work with black men simply because they're black but black women get paid less then white women do which is why black women don't get into the industry is much.
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Posted - Nov 10 2014 : 1:26PM
^If pornstars have to worry about losing fans (and therefore money), clients (if they escort), the interest of some directors (which, again, means losing money), or incurring violence from their fathers, all because they shoot IR, the cause is not the industry. We cannot reasonably expect porn to be a racism free zone while racism is still alive and well within our society. Consider the primary reason that Adriana Chechik gave to Howard Stern for her decision to not shoot IR. What was it? That she was ideologically indoctrinated by racists. It's not because of the industry that she views interracial sex as an undesirable aberration. Rather, she was socialized into accepting that belief. Racism in America means racism in porn.I am not a man. Please do not refer to me as a "he" again. Now, go back and read exactly what I wrote. I referred to width and you in response wrote a post about length.
Neither do I, I wasn't talking about MY view, I was talking about the reality of the porn market and especially American porn market , European porn market is following though , until few years ago there even wasn't any IR category , sites or movies just put IR scenes with no problem nor was expected have any on top of that most European IR is just a man with a woman ore more men but in the very same way white males would be depicted, most of the times there's no IR stereotype in there just sex. It is only recently that Euro stars leaned there's an added value over IR and they try to expoit itI have made especially an example , the number of followers , some star don't even endure enough to get to an event, and some of those reported on this very board (don't ask me in what topic though, there is an awful lot on the IR subject) about stars getting insulted and losing a conspicuous number of of followers , nobody apparently encouraged them, there's no increase of followers joining. that's the kind of support I meant, a newbie who does IR and receive a call like that of Lily Labeau and loses followers and get booked less than before, all in three months or maybe four, what fuck do you think she would give to an event she won't be invited to? Edited by - LCF on 11/10/2014 1:50:38 PM
Absolutely. The reason why I defend the right for many to not perform IR or anything they don't want to do, is exactly that they live in the real world and will face the ugliness of reality , more so if they come from certain areas , especially if they are pornstars. I remember a statement of yours about refusing some impositions of your family or friends who want to dictate your preferences to you especially sexual preferences , I would agree , but, well this might be done by regular people who may create another different solid chain of relationships, but a porn star is already a pariah to American society, often their family is the only thing they can rely on , they don't want to lose that , if they do they'll be completely alone , on their own even emotionally. Edited by - LCF on 11/10/2014 2:00:36 PM
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Posted - Nov 10 2014 : 2:00PM
Ok your female, apologies. What do you mean by width, you are talking about girth? I know of no scientific studies that have conclusively studied just this so I have no comment. If you have solid evidence I will buy into it, but condom size or use means nothing. It is self-reported and subjective. All guys lie about it just like all guys lie about their size. The only way of knowing for sure is a proper bone pressed on top measurement with a tape. Pornstars don't even do this because their real sizes would come out, that's why they always measure from the side or from the 2" or 3" mark. But it is possible to work out their size. I can't help with girth and porn is fantasy not evidence for anything. But as discussed this on another thread with another user, Billy Glide had the biggest girth in mainstream porn and he was white. Jonah Falcon a white dude has the longest recorded penis on record. There is a video online of him measuring himself at 8 inches flaccid (I know the media exaggerated slightly by going it was 9" or more). If a black man was longer he would have come forward by now. It's been 20 years or so. The evidence speaks for itself. I see no reason to invoke irrational conspiracy theories about bias. BTW I'm not arguing white guys are bigger than black, I am saying there is no over-all difference, big and small exist in all races - but one thing we must accept is that a white guy currently still has the longest dong on the planet and that there are huge cock white guys out there who can match all the big cock black guys in porn. You can easily prove this to yourself by looking at monster white cocks out of the porn industry.
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Posted - Nov 10 2014 : 3:21PM
Conforming to an irrational, hate based ideology in order to stay in the good graces of one's family? I understand why a person might do so, though I can't say that I'm necessarily inclined to respect or even sympathize with such a choice.
^ No I meant when you have only one place to go if your life goes wrong , you have no choice and you want not lose that only solid ground you haveFrom Blacked threadJust sayin' Edited by - LCF on 11/10/2014 3:26:08 PM
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Posted - Nov 10 2014 : 3:45PM
^A person always has a choice to not resolve themselves to the backwards thinking of backwards people, even if those backwards people are your family members. However, I'm not really inclined to criticize a decision like Taylor Rain's, assuming of course that you are correct about her offscreen activities and she didn't allow her father's racism to limit her choice of partners. Edited by - misspornUSA on 11/10/2014 3:50:23 PM
^ I'm saying it's the right thing to do, I'm saying how it works , something like when sons and wives still stay and defend an abusive father or husband, they just don't know where to go and what to do and family is the only solid ground they think they have
Everything you wrote is 100% true, but I don't think you can give the industry a pass. Let's be honest here if ir was so bad for you career then why are so many up and coming stars doing IR? I asked this question before but I've yet to get a good answer. misspornUSA wrote:she's shooting a IR scene with Prince. If she found black performers so repulsive why is she working with them at all? What changed from the beginning of her career to now?
From Blacked threadJust sayin' Edited by - LCF on 11/10/2014 3:26:08 PM
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What is this suppose to prove? You got one quote for one spoiled guy from a website that prides itself on getting new girls. Have you been in the Jada Stevens thread, AJ Applegate thread, Allie Haze thread, Juelz Ventura thread or Anikka Albrite thread? No? Thought so.
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Posted - Nov 10 2014 : 4:18PM
I understand what you mean, but Western wo/men who stay attached to abusers are in need of serious counseling, while those who perpetuate in word or deed the racist ideology of their parents in order to maintain a familial safety net are in need of guts. Edited by - misspornUSA on 11/10/2014 4:19:13 PM
^ Agreed for the guts but cannot be bought, someone has to have them alreadyHe's not the only one , that was an example , there are many other in Dogfart's thread or even in comments for scenes Those you mentioned are established stars , I especially referred to newbies , the weakest , they still don't know how the industry work and are easily frightened when something goes wrong , especially when they feel they are losing popularity , when a star does her first IR that is the very moment to support her , maybe she will lose some followers but if she gains enough newer , if she gets requested and demanded we won't lose them Do you see anywhere Jamie Jackson for example? is/was also a great IR performer , do you see any support for Jessica Ryan or Alice Green around ? Chase Ryder? all of them started heavily with IR these are those who need support ,Miley May already left Would you like any more Natasha White? Where is she? Hope it's not too late already. Edited by - LCF on 11/10/2014 4:36:52 PM
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Posted - Nov 10 2014 : 4:42PM
I wouldn't give the industry a total pass but I don't think we can expect much positive change from them as long as racism continues to be part of our social fabric.I personally wouldn't make a blanket statement about it being bad for all pornstars. Apparently it is harmful for some and not for others, minimally harmful for some and very harmful for others, has a beneficial effect for some and a negligible effect for others. The phenomenon that LCF described of several pornstars shooting for Blacked and then disappearing from the industry is an interesting one. Correlation is not casualty, but coincidence is not a reasonable explanation for multiple incidences of the same occurrence.That question was asked on her thread. One user replied that money was the reason. Besides noting that the scene hasn't actually been shot yet and as far as I know there is no definite date set, I don't have a answer to the "why?" question. All I can say is that I see no reason to doubt the honesty of what she said to Howard Stern. Listen to the interview yourself on YouTube or elsewhere on the web. I think the question was asked in the last third of the interview. I would find the exact spot, but I'm lazy, lol. From Howard Stern's website: "Howard wanted ot know how far Adriana will go, and evidently the answer is pretty far. The only thing she said she falt-out wouldn’t do is bang a black guy. Not Barack Obama, not Denzel Washington, nobody." Edited by - misspornUSA on 11/10/2014 4:44:03 PM Edited by - misspornUSA on 11/10/2014 4:56:15 PM
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Posted - Nov 10 2014 : 5:09PM
The answer to this question is because they are almost forced into it, from abuse and trolling from fans (and directors) Jules Jordan is an example, he get's hold of girls and then eventually gets them to go black, look at Alina Li or Amy Reid. As explained already nearly all porn is filmed in America and there is an American fetish market for this. The majority of the porn industry in America is about trying to get light skinned girls to go black. This fetish does not exist in Asia or India and is rarely heard of in Europe. Nikki Benz was bombarded with black men on the Brazzers forum calling her racist and telling her to "come over the darkside" for several years or more. Raven Bay was harassed by black guys who on her twitter were calling her racist if she did not do a scene with a black guy. Two months later she was doing scenes on dogfart. There are many other examples of this. Priya Rai, etc. Edited by - bill66 on 11/10/2014 5:11:55 PM
^ That is a thing I had talked about often here, however Raven Bay is actually mixed , I don't think it was a matter of harassment , I think that sooner or later she would have done it anyway. Amy Reid was "harassed" with a lot of money it would seem. as for Alina Li, she said from the beginning she would do IR then anal (which she didn't though) it was already decided well before Jules Jordan "harassed" her with all that money
Oh, neither do I, it is just b/g:m/f. Whatever purposes there are for presenting it as an extreme act and giving it its own initialism code and its category doesn't really matter, because it's already set into place, so it's not going to change into "performer XX does a b/g scene with her co-star performer XY"
The topic of girls "disappearing" after they do IR doesn't really have much substance. Porn in general is oversaturated with talent, and there have been plenty of under established women that have done nothing but "Vanilla" scenes and have stopped working shortly after. There is no real formula to longevity in this business from what I've seen. Some girls use porn as a job to get through college or to boost their dancing careers, so we're assuming that girls who "disappear" after doing IR don't have other things going on in their life. Jamie Jackson has stated that she's took a break from porn, and from what I've heard Miley Mae is working more BTS jobs now. I've seen girls like Lolly ink, Sadie Swede, and Kimmy Olsen fall off without ever doing IR, I'm sure there are other factors at work here.
^ those I named aren't those who disappeared except for Natasha White, this is something happening to some stars who worked with blacked and some with dogfart , but I have to verify more for those , neither Blacked nor Dogfart have anything to do with that of course. Also what you say may be true but when a number of stars almost cease or slow down greatly to perform after she's done something, it's hardly a coincidence , also some stars ceased to do IR for example even though August Ames seems to be back at it , I don't know when the scene with Prince for Monster of Cock has been shot. Some stars quit for other business because they weren't working enough, one or two scenes in a month barely pay the medical tests
Posted - Nov 8 2014 : 8:54AM