^ Really? Last time I checked WCP wasn't doing anything like that , neither did those at Reality King (though they did depict a stereotypical white impotent hubby) Those at Lethal Hardcore aren't doing such thing , neither are Chris Streams, Jules Jordan , Lisa Ann , Dana Vespoli , Mason or Mimefreak. Not even those at Devil's do that anymore at least not in their My New Black Stepdaddy series. I seldom saw anything as such in Combat Zone's productions or Elegant Angel's . Even the most infamous Dogfart doesn't put it that way so often right now , actually a lot less than it is thought. and I didn't even mention Mandingo, Lex and Sean I do adimt some of what you said is true but it's not so true any longer. Of course if you keep choosing such kind of scenes... As for the women I don't recall any scene of Skin Diamond or Misty Stone playing any such role , actually isn't that common lately not even at Dogfart , a whore maybe , it's porn after all, but nothing related to any ghetto Edited by - LCF on 11/2/2014 5:57:33 AM
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Posted - Nov 2 2014 : 12:12PM
there is only one solution to get rid of racism we all need to paint ourselves green. then there is no Asian, indian, latina, black or indian man or women, everyone is green. Every porn website could then read "big green cock" in green slut or shake that "big green ass". There would be no racism and no girl or man would complain about any other guy because everyone would be green. Ok not gonna happen but I would be up for seeing some BIG green cocks in porn. Makes a change than seeing white or black!!
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Posted - Nov 2 2014 : 7:35PM
Why would anyone want to get rid of racism in porn? It's porn, not an episode of Ally McBeal. I say bring on an endless stream of skinny pasty white 18 year old girls with small tits doing a bunch of brothas. My only request is that someone serves the guys a frosty mug of shut the fuck up once the scene starts so we can focus on the girls and not have to listen to a bunch of inane brotha chatter. AKA Wesley Pipes.
This thread is not against stereotypes but possible actual racism between people in the Industry
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Posted - Nov 3 2014 : 11:29AM
^ Forced tolerance is just as offensive as racism! I find it amusing that in your eyes (hypothetical, not literal) that I'm not allowed to have a problem with any particular group for whatever reason, but it's perfectly ok for you to be able to tell me I have a problem because I don't like that group just because you do. And really, as the viewing public, why should we care if there if racism in porn? Any sort of so called racism in porn should be the concerns of the people in the industry and only them not the viewing public. If a performer doesn't like the work environment they are free to not work for that company or with that particular person. Edited by - Rosco fuji on 11/3/2014 11:39:28 AM
^ I'm with you here , I support any free choice for whatever reason. But racism as a rule does affect me even when I'm not directly involved. For example in Europe either branch of my family (I'm French-Italian) has been involved in a war , most likely your family has been involved in the same war too. it was started by a racist party. No member in my family has ever been racist Here we're not keen to allow such parties to grow nor to take control on anything , they must gain a very strong majority to get any power
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Posted - Nov 3 2014 : 1:59PM
When is history has "forced tolerance" caused the mass misery, death, and destruction that racism has? I would rather that a wo/man actually change his or her mind than be socially coerced into hypocrisy, but racism has been and still is much worse than forced tolerance. It is my position that everyone should be "allowed to have a problem with any particular group for whatever reason." A racist has every right to their foolish racist beliefs, and I have every right to vilify and help ostracize them.To ask that question is the same as asking why we should care if there is racism anywhere that is not directly affecting us. The question can be expanded as to ask why we should care about any injustice, or anything at all, that does not affect us directly. Not everyone is hyper individualistic. Edited by - misspornUSA on 11/3/2014 2:04:55 PM
^ I think for "forced tolerance" he meant in porn a woman or a man forced to have sex with someone he/she dislike because of intolerable pressure to do it. This is bad , there's no way to compare it with anything worse , it's still bad, as bad as forcing someone to NOT fuck someone she/he likes with unbearable pressure. Just as bad
^ Just saw it, the link of what they're talking about is not workingbut obviously it's not related to porn ^^ Possibly although not always , fact is there are situations where black men are especially requested , and others where they are not , if someone just picks what he wants and discards the rest he can paint anything he wants
^ There are some guys , white guys, lamenting nobody calls for them any more or very few do, a lot fewer than ever before , and this in Europe where there are fewer black guys than in the USA , we have 5% of people from non EU Countries (25,000,000 over a population of 500,000,000) but only a small part of them is black the greater percentage is made by Latinos , Turkish , Arabians , Chinese and other Asians and Europeans from non EU countries such as Ukraine, Russia and such. Edited by - LCF on 11/3/2014 4:25:13 PM
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Posted - Nov 3 2014 : 11:50PM
And remember strangers are only friends we haven't met yet. Jeez, we're talking about white girls fucking or not fucking black guys in porn, not every social injustice that has ever happened in the world. It's your do gooder comment above that helps exacerbate the problem even further than just ignoring it.
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Posted - Nov 4 2014 : 12:09AM
^I interpreted your comment with the following recent exchange in mind (I've added emphasis):For the record, I am not an IR troll. I haven't exacerbated anything.
As I see it, there are several problems: First and foremost is the stereotyping: the "once you go black, you never go back" thing; the black men "tearing up" (I can't tell you how much I hate that term!) white women; and "ghetto gaggers", "cumbang" and the like for the women. Black women have much harder time getting gigs than white women. I'd say black men are about much more in demand, and have a lot more opportunities than black women. (This is judging from the number of CDs and scenes available from the various top studios.) "Interracial" is about 90% black men and white women, and 10% white men and black women. No one person or even one studio should be forced to do a scene they don't want to do, but I think it behooves us to recognize that there is a problem and think about what can be done to shift attitudes. Thanks.
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Posted - Nov 5 2014 : 12:36AM
In what way are those problems?
Edited by - misspornUSA on 11/5/2014 12:41:47 AM
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Posted - Nov 5 2014 : 1:05PM
I'm curious to know about who's actually complaining about all the racism in porn. Is it the black performers or is it a bunch of white viewers feeling guilty? Edited by - Rosco Fuji on 11/5/2014 1:10:01 PM
^Blacked has taken advantage of that aspect of the market nicely. They tend to focus on the cinematography and the fetish of IR is more of an undertone.
seems to be mostly us white male that feel black male aren't treated equally in porn in this topic discussing the injustice at hand. personally i would love for all white man talent to be phased out from porn and replaced with black men.
^ If you do that,then what will Brandi Love, Puma Swede,Madison Ivy and Kendra Lust and all the other dodgers do? Edited by - jizzyjay on 11/5/2014 10:43:45 PM
I prefer to see white men fucking the girls, myself. But I don't want to have all one or all another. What I would like to see is more black performers, men and women, on the "romantic/sensual" sites like Erotica X (one black woman and one black man), Dane Jones (none of either as far as I can tell), Nubile Films (same as Dane Jones) and Passion HD (two black women). Or on Team Skeet's Lust HD, which doesn't have any black women (I believe there are scenes with a few black men.) That's what I'm talking about...
I don't, but they said that , here or somewhere else on this board , they gave me no reason to think they are liars so far
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Posted - Nov 7 2014 : 10:36AM
You are entitled to this weird fantasy, but it is never going to happen pal. The closest you might get - well call up Evil Angel, Jules Jordan, Brazzers, Naughty America and pay them each perhaps $20-30 million dollars and ask to paint all their white men with black paint for a scene or two. Lol. Not impossible but unlikely. If a white dude painted himself black would that satisfy your fetish? :)
^ The OP and thus the whole thread is focused about racism between porn insiders out of set such as companies or directors who never hire black performers , agencies who suggest or even force some performers from performing with blacks. Plain racism, pretty much self defined , intended as a discrimination toward one or more persons with no other reason than his race. The depiction of stereotyped roles in porn is another whole thing , it goes over reality , porn is fantasy, for example it is said that many women have raping fantasies yet no woman wants to be actually raped.
^ Well and we are talking about true racism here , not career choices , if a director plainly refuses to shoot any IR scene because he doesn't like the mixing that's racism. If a girl is just not aroused by whatever feature a man or a woman has is not (for example I like freckles some others don't, I like black girls but not those exceedingly big asses some black girls have) To preserve one's fanbase is also a legitimate choice , if a girl escorts, feature dance or just live in places where her life would turn in hell if she does IR, then it's not Edited by - LCF on 11/7/2014 5:37:45 PM
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Posted - Nov 7 2014 : 6:16PM
Do you know what racism is? If you do, then you should be able to answer your question quite easily: racism in porn is the same as racism in general, except that it occurs within the industry.
Seriously dude? Can you name another industry were its OK for one worker to say that they won't work with another worker based solely on the color of there skin and it's not just tolerated but in some cases encouraged? No? OK then.
^ Rubbish. The porn industry grants workers just about infinite leeway to refuse specific kinds of work that is otherwise generally expected to be performed. There is no comparison.
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Posted - Nov 7 2014 : 7:00PM
^I assume you're referring to 2bollocks' theory about why Rocco hasn't worked with many black women. There is nothing inherently racist about not having sex with people who you are not attracted to, inside the industry or outside of it.
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Posted - Nov 7 2014 : 7:09PM
it's like a common fantasy among us white males. statistic shows interracial and cuckold porn to be the best selling genre for white males. it would happen when more of us spend more money on interracial porn. i know some people don't like interracial porn but they don't spend money on dvds or sub to sites so producer won't care about their opinion but guys like me that actively purchase interracial porn and send email demanding more interracial will get it our way since we spend money on the product.
I'm not going to get into a big argument over this because frankly anyone who honestly believes that there is no racism in the porn industry either A) knows nothing about the industry or B) Is completely delusional.
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Posted - Nov 7 2014 : 8:54PM
There is racism everywhere so of course it is in porn. But if the question is why aren't more Blacks working then it is not about racism. It is about someone deciding who sees what and that is much worse than racism. If you want more Blacks working keep threads like this going and support companies that hire all races.
I thought asians and I think indians are below blacks. I thought that what I saw on an okcupid video at least. Whites and hispanics are the only ones I remember being more sought after.
Very funny to read this thread, given that I am Asian and from Russia :) This is a very big problem at all to find US and European porn with an Asian male performers with any white\black\asian girls... At the same time in the porn industry quite a lot of Asian pornstars. Interestng, why ?
Yes, there is racism in porn. But I think it's wrong to label people working in porn "racist" (unless other people's definition of "racist" is different than mine) simply based on whether or not they work with or hire black people. There are many reasons why people making porn do what they do that fans never bother to or even want to consider. Most directors can't just do whatever they want or hire whoever they want because they don't own that company and they still must work within certain established guidelines. For example NAUGHTY AMERICA has a succesful brand built on more of a "vanilla" type of sex and mostly white on white boy/girl. Some people might not like that brand but that's fine and they're more than welcome to go somewhere else for the time of porn they like but that type of sex is successful and profitable for NAUGHTY AMERICA. So is a director working for NAUGHTY AMERICA racist or doing his/her job by not shooting black males? Is a company who don't the sort of sales they like when black performers are in their movies and decide to not shoot them anymore racist or just doing what's most profitable for the company? Also, basing whether a performer is racist simply whether or not they have sex with a black guy is silly. It's been talked to death about girls who don't do IR supposedly being racist but what about the girls who do have sex with black guys...Just because a girl is willing to have sex with a black guy doesn't mean she's not "racist" to some degree. Britney Stevens shot scenes with black guys all the time but said in an interview she doesn't trust black people. I think that's a rather messed up thing to say. Jazmin St Claire bragged in an interview about how she doesn't do or like IR sex when the intervierer didn't even ask but she had to admit she did them in her gangbang movies but in her mind those didn't count for some reason. Then there's the story of the racist couple who did porn and the wife did mostly black guys because the husband knew his wife could never get emotionally attached to a black guy because she/they thought they were lower on the foodchain of people. Then you have to consider the guys who like watching their wives with black men. There are some who like watching their wives/girlfriends with black men because they view it as their spouse getting ravaged by a savage/brute/thug (for lack of a better term). Not because they think it's a beautiful thing. Didn't Shane Diesel say he had a racist fanbase of white guys who liked some of his movies for that very reason? So, while I think there is racism in porn I don't agree with some people's assesment of simpy labelling people racist based on whether they have sex with a black guy or if a director hires blacks or if a company doesn't doesn't shoot much or any black content. It's simply not that cut and dry...or black and white.
Can you name another work environment in which a performer is supposed to have sex without saying a word and with no right of refusal? A pornstar has the right to refuse anything she or he deems not fit for whatever reason. A pornstar may refuse a single performer An ex boyfriend or husband May refuse to have sex with a kin May refuse to have sex with entire categories (for example granny porn) May refuse to perform BDSM either sub or dom or both Anal sex and all its variants such as double anal or double penetration Multiple sex including gang bangs Gay sex Straight sex in other word she has the right to refuse without even giving you a reason , just that. Unless you mean she must perform all of this or the very moment a performer is granted the refuse one of what i listed then he/she must also be granted to refuse anything he/she is not comfortable performing either personal tastes and inclination or career choices for example performers such as James Deen, Nacho Vidal, Rocco Siffredi and many black performers are dominant in porn , they wouldn't perform a cuckold scene playing the cuckolded one it doesn't fit their image and would harm their business, so they have every right to refuse based on this alone.
