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pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Feb 18 2009 : 4:55PM
This issue is for sure but I can never get over that these girls don't seem to realize that their refusal to do black guys doesn't make them classy or principled or whatever the hell they're thinking, but marks them out as thick as a post.
Couldn't agree more. Lets all STOP paying attention too and spending money on ( I know I don't)porno chicks that make issues about not doing films with black guys, and FOCUS MORE ATTENTION on the hot girls like Tori Black, Sasha Grey, or Bree Olson that do. You can totally tell when they are fucking a black guy that turns them on and these scenes are some of the hottest porn out there. As I white guy I think it's just silly and lately with the exception of 3 titles the stuff thats out there most of the good stuff has been IR. even online, If Brazzers or Reality Kings did more IR scenes instead of the same old blond with big tits fucking one the the many white guys that looks like he'd rather be out fishing I'd rejoin there sites.
No one is claiming that a white woman should be coerced into working with a black man on camera. If she is a bigot, the black man stays hired and SHE is the one who should be fired. It's that simple. You would would never know from this thread, especially from Alexis Love's apologists, that a black man is President and another black man is Attorney General. Does it make sense for the industry to piss off Obama and Holder? Note to moderator: Yes, it's me. So you know what that means - issue warnings and lock down the thread forthwith.
Maybe I'm missing something, but don't 100% of the Black males "stay hired" in Black male/White female IR movies I'll make you a deal Sheldon, don't start calling fellow posters "bigots," and I'll let you rant. Cross the line, and I'll speak to this forum's mods about dealing with it
BTW, you can't take what Type 9 Models says as the gospel truth. It lists Rayveness as not doing interracial, when in fact she has done several scenes with black men over the years, such as Sean Michaels. She even did a scene for Hush Hush where the black actor asked her to call him the N-word!
Kindly name the poster in this thread that I called a bigot. Or is there a poster called "If she"? IIRC, Veronica Hart fired Lexington Steele from a VCA shoot years ago when the talent did not want to do an IR scene when one was originally called for.
You weren't accused of calling anyone a bigot, you were warned where the line was. Learn to read. What does your Veronica Hart hearsay have to do with the "Black male/White female IR" porn I referenced? Furthermore, without specifics, your hearsay and your conclusion is absolutely meaningless.
OK, BigBrain, this is the deal.[Drawing a deep breath...] Your wording, "don't start calling fellow posters bigots" implied that I had done just that. If that's not what you meant, then learn to write. And how about that reading comprehension? The whole point of the Veronica Hart incident was to directly refute your statement that "100% of the Black males "stay hired" in Black male/White female IR movies. Obviously, Mr. Steele did not stay hired....
I never heard about this incident. But if it really happened it doesn't prove your point. Veronica Hart directed feature films for VCA, not gonzo IR flicks. If a contract girl, a VCA employee, refuses to work with Lex, an independent contractor, it is absolutely normal to stick with the employee. It works this way in any biz. When we talk about IR movies the situation is totally different because the black male performer is the star.
How about when you wrote:To which I responded with:Two posts. Mine directly following yours. Most people can make the obvious connection. You, however, take perverse delight in trying to misrepresent what others say. So, "[Drawing a deep breath...]" How about getting back on topic?
Don't know if I can agree with that last part. In any other business, I'd say it might be outright considered discrimination. Not sure it isn't there either, if in fact it did happen exactly like that. Never heard about it before, so I'm not gonna assume it's true. That kind of thing right there is probably my biggest issue and worry with stars refusing to work with whoever. I've said it many times here before, but I think I'll say it again. Performers can discriminate, businesses can't! Porn shouldn't get a free pass just because it's considered a different kind of business. Can't have it both way.
^ On a sidenote: If incidents like that are actually true, can you imagine how shit you must feel as that male performer if you go to your shoot etc and the girl outright says she's not going to work with you cause she doesn't work with your ethnicity? I'd imagine less shit than you would feel if she says she won't work with you cause you're a shit performer, but still.
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Posted - Feb 20 2009 : 9:37AM
What are you going to do...force the woman to have sex with someone she doesn't want to? That will go over real well in a court of law.
^ Not really no. But you can claim a breech of contract if she refuses after signing a deal. All this topic proves is that no matter how much people try to claim that porn is purely work, acting or even 'art', it will always remain sex on camera. If it was truly a different profession, then it shouldnt matter who you're performing with. How many mainstream actors refuse a role cause they have to act with a person they're not attracted to? I fully support people doing scenes with whoever they want, but to claim it's a no-feelings business clearly doesn't follow through. Let people fuck who-ever they want, but stop with the ridiculous ideas that it is anything more than fucking on camera for the majority of performers.
I am not sure. I go to Mr Marcus forum often and black guys there go ape-shit whenever someone posts asian men - white women IR clips. The amount of racial slurs tolerated there is unbelievable, all of them only directed at Asians. I have not seen the likes of such even in the Stormfront website.(no, I am just monitoring those guys) In my opinion, Blacks are as much perpetuators of racial hatered as they are victims of the same. Also it is entirely untrue that the stigma attached to IR is American-specific. Many big name European stars refuse to work with black men, Euro-, American- or African- black men. (brigitte bui for instance. Also Olinka, LeHaie, etc. have never done blacks. Even Ellen Saint declared that she would be very selective on IR. Simony Diamond had stopped doing IR for a while until she started doing it again a few years ago. etc. etc.)
Don't forget Homoerectus. It all has to do with the still moderately accepted stigma of porn being bad and still moderately accepted blacks with blacks and whites with whites. Not saying that is my view point. I have a friend who is white and her boyfriend is half black half white and her mother won't even discuss her daughters relationship with him due to that fact. it's all a matter of choice for people. You can't force someone to accept someone else. We have free will and can use it as we see fit, even if someone else doesn't like it.
It is interesting you brought up Mr. Marcus forum..I was on google looking for AM/XF porn and I stumbled on to a forum called sfbayvideos.com and the black guys on there were pissed about AM/XF porn. I guess there were a few Asian guys on there posting about straight Asian male porn and some black dudes were angry of the fact. They kept ragging on the Asian guys on there. It was fucked up...I got the sense that some of the black guys on there felt like Asian men shouldn't be able to have interracial sex. It was bizarre with all the hatred towards Asian men.
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john_qyoo_public Deactivated User
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Posted - Feb 20 2009 : 3:36PM
To each his own. I see it pretty much the opposite way.
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john_qyoo_public Deactivated User
265 Posts 7/05
Posted - Feb 20 2009 : 3:41PM
Also, just a pointer (I DON'T want to argue the subject), but the "there is only one race" thing is nonsense. Race (call it "population" or "ethnic group" or whatever the fuck you want, semantic games bore me) is real and applies to humans. Race is ancestry writ large. Please use Google to catch up with the 21st century and stop repeating the mantras of misinformation.
^Hey simmond, a quick hint: talking about downloading porn for free (i.e. stealing) is a sore subject around here, as a large percentage of our members make a living off of selling porn. So, as I've mentioned to others, talking about ways to download it for free, or celebrating having downloaded it for free, or just general talk about downloading it for free, unless germane to the discussion, is kind of in bad taste.
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Posted - Feb 20 2009 : 11:53PM
"the "there is only one race" thing is nonsense" No, it isn't... it's biology. (And it's not even particularly advanced biology) Maybe try getting your education from somewhere more reputable than Google.... KillBill69... it's pretty obvious, even to an idiot like me, Simon's comment was nothing more than a play on "That and a buck fifty will get ya a cup of coffee".... a fancy way of suggesting something is pretty worthless...
I just googled this Alexis Love girl, she's not pretty. Black men need not be disappointed.
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233 Posts 9/08
Posted - Feb 21 2009 : 12:52AM
As someone who regularly visits sbayvideos.com, lemme set the record straight. 1. The legit name of that site is sfbayvideos.com, not Mr Marcus Forum as you state. MMF is just one section of sfbayvideos.com. Mr Marcus himself hardly posts anythin there and if it wasn't for his name, you'd never have guessed it had anything to do with Mr Marcus. Sfbayvideos.com is owned and run by someone else with a couple of moderators. Mr Marcus has little or no say on how its run so before anyone tries to taint Mr Marcus name, I say: think again. 2. Sfbayvideos.com is an IR (BLACK MALE vs NON-BLACK FEMALE) porn forum - FULL STOP. IR as defined by the adult industry. 3. Sometime back, a genuine asian guy started an AM/WF porn thread on sfbayvideos.com with the permission of the owner and moderators. That was all going well until another nutcase asian poster reported him to the legit owners of those vids and the thread went belly-up. There was an altercation amongst asian folks themselves as a result of that. The race war with Blacks started with the same nutcase poster (using at least 50+ aliases on last count!) indiscriminantly hijackin and posting vids with dead links along with provocative racial slurs aimed at Black folks. Black members were merely reactin to his comments. I'm surprised you deliberately failed to mention the root cause of those race wars. 4. For every BM/XF IR forum out there, there are 20 similar AM/XF porn forums so why would asian folks desperately wanna post their stuff on a BM/XF IR porn forum - stuff thats of NO INTEREST WHATSOEVER to Black IR porn lovers? Frankly, I'd be alarmed if a black person turned up at an AM/XF porn forum disrespectfully demanding to post BM/WF porn against members wishes. (This is also in response to ^^ Reapers post) Edited by - Pentasa on 2/21/2009 1:15:50 AM
Working in an office and deciding you don't wish to work along side a black or other race is one thing. But thinking that women in porn should not be aloud to choose who they have sex with just shows the mind set of the kinds of people that they wish not to work with. There are many females in the industry that have no lists stopping agents booking them with other white performers, female or male due to disliking them as a person or over an incident that may have happened on a shoot. The best scenes in porn are generally down to both female and male talent wanting and looking forward to working with each other. The thought of putting a white girl with a black male of whom she does not want to work with would make for a really bad scene. As there are only six to eight good black males in the industry that are gentlemen and treat women well its no wonder why that these performers re the first to work with any white female looking to do there first interracial, because a level of respect is already there. Thank god for Lexington Steele, Mr. Marcus, T Reel, Justin Long, Sean Michaels, Deep Threat, Justin Slayer and Tyler Knight and a handfull of others. As they say (cream rises to the top)
I'm not familiar with Sfbayvideos.com forum. When I did discover the site after looking around for a few minutes it was clearly a black interracial forum. It was stupid for the Asian guy(s) to post AM/XF porn on that site when the forum was clearly a black interracial site. I don't know the history of the forum so I will take your word for it. 50+ user names and whatever else...the guy was a troll. As a principle the Asian stuff should not have been posted from the beginning. But that being said I was appalled by the anti-Asian messages on the forum as well. Yea, if I was a black member of the site I would be annoyed by the Asian troll as well but many of the responses I remember reading went beyond telling the troll to take a hike. It became ugly and personal and posters just trashed Asians as a group...it was a WTF moment for me. I didn't know blacks hated Asians that much was my immediate reaction visiting the site right or wrong. I don't think black people hate Asian people but it definitely made me look at black/Asian race relations from a different light. My belief is that no one would waste their time, energy, and effort to write hate speech unless they believed it to a small degree.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Feb 21 2009 : 5:01AM
Most internet forums are cesspools of reactionary bile. Look at some of the posters here, not to mention XPT. I doubt they reflect majority opinion, more likely it is only the most socially deficient who post the most often and drive out anyone with a thought rattling around in their heads.
If Marcus does not wish to be associated with the site he should ask his name to be removed from that site. I don't think he did. Who are you to speak on his bahalf?It is the right and responsibility of the site owner and moderators to delete those posts that they deem unsuited for their forum(and issue a warning).Actually I am surprised that you so deliberately lie and think you can get away with it. I know the site from as far back as 2003 as it was frequently mentioned by Luke Ford. Racial slurs directed at Asians were there all the time. "They did it first" LOL. I hope you are even vaguely familiar with the concept of shame. At least you can try to learn the superficial exterior of it so that you can minimally function as something more than just a 200 pound crybaby.Once again the request to stop has to come from the site adminstrator or moderators and they have not done that. They have yet to delete a post that has links to asian IR clips. If a forum is dedicated to research in northern European genetics and someone comes in to discuss African genetics, no one has the right to call the intruder "nxxxxr" even if his intention was malevolent. If he used racial slurs? he should be simply removed and ip-banned. But you couldn't do that because if you started doing that in Marcus Forum you would be banning about half the members. Edited by - wargamer on 2/21/2009 7:03:25 AM
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233 Posts 9/08
Posted - Feb 21 2009 : 8:14AM
^^^ And all this vented anger just coz you couldn't get to post your favorite AM/XF porn on an IR-dedicated forum like sfbayvideos.com? Look who is the 200-pound crybaby now, LOL!! And I should be ashamed? Of what? The humiliation you copped at sfbayvideos.com? Grow up man!! Seriously Wankamer, you got major emotional and psychological issues and are in desperate need of professional help!! You dont realise it but its obvious to everyone that you do! And this being ADT I shall say no more but if you wanna continue this conversation, meet me at sfbayvideos.com. Edited by - Pentasa on 2/21/2009 8:39:27 AM
I never post any porn material. Your fantasy is becoming detrimental to your health. I go to marcus forum only to monitor just as I do Stormfront and the two are quite simialr.
^Sorry Simmond if I misunderstood you, but it was your second post of your first eleven that mentioned filesharing/free porn, so I don't think it was necessarily crazy of me to give you the heads-up on the feelings here on that issue.
"Survive the droughts, I wish you well"........ Jay Z, American Dreamin 56 Posts 2/09
Posted - Feb 21 2009 : 9:22AM
I was being facetious. My point was merely that the attitude that porn is merely sex on camera diminishes the value of the content to the point that it is no more valuable than amatuer porn, or porn that can be easily appropriated. You cant appreciate Pirates or Deep Throat by just viewing the sex scenes on the net. But the average title can be fully appreciated by just lifting the scenes, because they are just that sex on camera. Im not for downloading free porn, but I do believe that the less we demand of porn stars the less distance there is between the content we want people to pay 40 bucks for and the stuff they can get for free. Its about professionalism. Being willing to perform with the best available actor regardless of race is part of that professionalism.
I could have sworn that I had seen Alexis Love do IR before. I know she doesn't do anal, but I was sure that she did IR. If what you say is true, then I guess I was mistaken. I really don't feel like going through the effort to check into it. Alas, she is yet another pornstar who I liked, but apparently doesn't care about insulting her own viewers. Am I the only one who wonders why a pornstar would even come out and admit this? Even if she doesn't do IR, wouldn't it make more sense to say nothing about it, rather than bring attention to it and offend a possibly large portion of your own fanbase? If she worked in any other industry besides porn, she's be lambasted for even saying such a thing. Atleast if she had kept quiet about it, I wouldn't now have a negative opinion about her, with reason to avoid her scenes in the future.
If the only thing she said is "no I don't do interracial", I'm ok with it. I mean, Howard had shown her a picture of most posters on this board, she probably would have said no as well. It is when there is a statement with racism in it that we can criticize a pornstar for it. You can _suspect_ all you want, but you can't know. So deal with it and go fight people that _are_ making blatant racist statements instead.
"Survive the droughts, I wish you well"........ Jay Z, American Dreamin 56 Posts 2/09
Posted - Feb 21 2009 : 8:42PM
I just dont understand the logic that says that a persons racist deeds are to be overlooked, until those deeds become words. There are people that would have sex with a person but would not kiss the on the mouth. For them kissing is intimacy. If a famous actress announced that she would not be willing to do kissing scenes, she would not be criticized. If however she announced that she would only kiss members of her own race, she would be called a racist. Saying "I dont do interracial" is racist.
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Posted - Feb 18 2009 : 4:55PM
for sure but I can never get over that these girls don't seem to realize that their refusal to do black guys doesn't make them classy or principled or whatever the hell they're thinking, but marks them out as thick as a post. 
How about getting back on topic?
