you totally understood what i meant... same thing as porn was in a different place 10, 20 or 30 years ago. Like the rest of the society, with the apparence of progressism, the only tings thats going away is a form of freedom.
But i'm sorry to contradict you, i forgot you got the almighty word of wisdom and talk for 109 % of the world out there. But please, be cautious, put a mask on ;-)
^ Yeah, it's a real shame that we've moved on from the good old days where men with power and authority had the 'freedom' to abuse and rape women without fear of being held to account.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Apr 22 2020 : 7:17AM
Agree about the played out scenes of faux-incest (70s features made it all feel more taboo and sleazy because it wasn't so frequent) and phoney 'models or college girls tricked into sex for cash' scenarios. Zzzzzz...
Also so many of the director/performer chats are so false and boring, why even bother? Just cut to the tease if its gonna be a bunch of bs about how much the girl loves giving blowjobs or whatever, I'd prefer more dirty talk in the scene to that nonsense.
^ Mason does this a lot with the perfomer, especially with blowbangs. She always asks what do they like about giving head, I know it's a repetitive question she seems to be interested.
The most annoying question is "What age did you lose your virginity?"
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Posted - Apr 22 2020 : 7:31AM
At her best Mason is more relaxed and playful with the performers, her talks with Annette Schwarz, Kristina Rose, Charley Chase, Liza del Sierra and Asa Akira before their scenes come to mind.
I HATE the fact that "What are some things you HATE in porn" thread has 68 pages worth of hatred while "What are some things you LOVE in porn" thread only has 8 pages worth of love. Why cant we show more love than hate? Why does the glass have to be half empty or just completely empty rather than half full or overflowing? Just a thought.
With all that being said, I was watching "Lesbian Performers of the Year 2020" and I HATE the fact that right after each interview they have the girls dancing with the awards in their hands. Like thats corny to me. I love the interview but afterwards I want them to get down to straight sex. I dont want to see them dancing or trying to dance with the awards in their hands. Again its corny.
I think the obvious response to your #of pages on a hate versus love complaint is that the love for porn is so great that 99.5% of the threads would go under a "love" header. It's not like there is a "I hate so and so" thread appearing daily for each individual performer. Look at the Top 50 threads and see how many are a fan topic versus a hate topic. If enough fans voice their dislike of an act, it might go away, IE the concept of "Quagging" or whatever it was called years ago.
That and the fact that when we love something our hands are a bit busy handling other matters ; )
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Posted - Apr 24 2020 : 10:53PM
As a member of this forum for over 6 years who checks in on it pretty much on a daily basis, I'm increasingly annoyed by guys who complain, obsessively, about the guys in porn scenes. I swear, there are threads on this forum dedicated to certain sites where the discussion just gets stuck on the male performers, basically, guys just complaining about the guys in each scene. It's as if the guys featured in each scene are all that matters, while the girls are nothing more than props. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the male talent doesn't matter at all, but some guys here just seem to obsess over the dudes in porn scenes.
^^ Absolutely! The other thing that irritates me are comments when a scene is released along the lines of '(male pornstar) is in it so it's a pass from me'. Who really gives a damn?! Also......people who drag up issues from the past EVERY time James Deen or Marcus Dupree release a scene. E.g 'I don't know how she can work with him after what he did to (female).' We all know the past now let's move on. Perhaps we could start up a thread like this one specifically for those people along the lines of 'What are some of the things you HATE about a male pornstar' and these people can spend their days irritating the hell out of each other with such comments banned from other threads.
^^ It isn't right to say we should "move on" considering sexual abuse is a serious thing in any kind of industry. Because if everybody stopped making a protest that would be excusing/enabling that kind of behaviour. Discussing this issue on a certain thread is more ideal yes, but if somebody has been strongly accused of sexual abuse, regardless of when it was, they shouldn't ever be performing again.
For example, when allegations came out against Kevin Spacey, Netflix cut ties with him completely, even when he was the main star of House Of Cards. Which was the right decision.
The thing is that it's not so much guys complaining about all male performers so much as a very small select group of male performers (which I will not name). If you take out those names out then there aren't that many people posting negative comments about the male performer.
That said. I think that the male talent is pretty important in a porn scene because like it or not. He's in the scene for about the same amount of time as the woman. That's why I prefer seeing certain male talent because my expectation that scene will be better is increased because he is in it rather than if it was another male performer. It's also important to point out that some women prefer working with specific male performers and if their are paired with them then comfort level will likely show on screen.
Something else I hate in porn is people giving a pass to abusers because the industry did so.
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Posted - Apr 25 2020 : 5:03PM
I hate the fact there's just one generic look that all the girls have to have now- long hair with big curls, big lips, all glamoured up
I like how girls like Riley Mason, Sasha Knox, Lexi Belle, Skylar Price looked when they started: short hair, natural looking. Girls who were naturally hot that fucked on camera without the glamorous Hollywood production garbage
Just what kind of 'protest' are you making?! So how many people who've made these comments on these threads have lobbied their politicians about the issue, contacted studios to take the issue up with them, organised a campaign against other pornstars who have been involved in bullying or rape? If all you're prepared to do is make a token comment on a porn thread that you know has no impact then that's still 'excusing/enabling that kind of behaviour'.
^ The protest I was referring to was the female performers who accused them on social media. The only time I express my opinion on it is on this site. And that's not enabling, ignoring it is.
Ummm... what happened to innocent 'till proven guilty. You are fine with allegations ending someone's career (and ruining their life)?As we now know, or should know, these Hollywood studios have been aware of these allegations for years. They only did anything when the public found out.
As an aside, that has actually been my main takeaway from the Weinstein case: all these Hollywood bigwigs lecturing us on morality and social responsibility have been knowingly working with current sexual abusers so they can make their millions.
^ Yep.....look at poor August Ames and what they did to her with their 'social media' protests. If someone has done something wrong it needs addressing in the proper way, not by social media hounding.
^ Well, I believe the bigwigs in Hollywood knew what was happening. I'm not saying people should be put in jail or have their reputations ruined based on allegations. But if you know someone is a sexual abuser, you can't willingly work with them to make millions of dollars, and then lecture the world on morality and social responsibility.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Apr 26 2020 : 8:14PM
So it is okay for the porn industry to ignore what they 'knew as happening' why?
Oh I see, you want to score political points against what you see as the 'Hollywood elite' so who you do and don't decide to hold to account is selective.
^ Well, my initial comment was regarding allegations.
And as stated, I highlighted multi millionaire Hollywood actors, directors etc. as they have been the ones lecturing us on morality while knowingly working with current sexual abusers.
I don't think the porn industry has contracts stating: "if ... "treated someone improperly in violation of the company's Code of Conduct," he must reimburse TWC for settlements or judgments. Additionally, "You ... will pay the company liquidated damages of $250,000 for the first such instance, $500,000 for the second such instance, $750,000 for the third such instance, and $1,000,000 for each additional instance.""
^^ Funnily, when I went through the lyrics looking for that section, I couldn't find it. That was because I always thought that first line was: "Was it once with no desire?"
Porn studios VASTLY overuse males. It's as simple as that. Dislike a certain girl? Very easy to just ignore her scenes. Dislike a certain male? Get used to seeing him pop up again and again and again and ruining scenes with girls you like. For example, I cannot stand Jax Slayher, Isiah Maxwell, Prince Yashua or Dredd. Yet easily 90% of interracial porn includes one of them. This wouldn't be an issue if porn studios diversified and invested in finding better male talent. But that's difficult and expensive so let's just use Jax for billionth time instead.
Also, believe it or not, not everyone who watches porn is a heterosexual male.
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Posted - Apr 27 2020 : 11:30PM
I don't get having to use these baseball bat dick dudes in every scene. I'd rather watch a hot girl deep throat a regular dick than watch her suck on just the tip of some tree trunk the whole time
^&^^ Can't argue there. Especially for a rather petite girl. But then again, there must be a market because I've seen numerous comments about how guys like to watch the girl struggle to take it.
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Posted - Apr 29 2020 : 2:55AM
What you described is exactly why, years ago, I just stopped being "picky" when it comes to the male talent. There's no point in continuously complaining about the dudes when it's obvious that every director and studio out there is going to stick with their small roster of guys. Sure, I could jump into the fray and bitch about Markus Dupree's antics like everyone else, but why bother? He's obviously a go-to guy for most of the sites I like, there's years of proof. So, as a viewer, I'm just focused on the girls, I don't let the male talent get in the way of my enjoying the scene.
Oh, and, yes, I understand that "not everyone who watches porn is a heterosexual male". I totally get a female viewer, or a gay/bisexual male viewer, putting much more stock in the male talents and their performances. With that being said, my previous comment was in regards to heterosexual male viewers, specifically.
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Posted - Apr 29 2020 : 7:59AM
Honest question. You like a certain TV show and after one season, the main cast has been replaced. And the new cast is incredibly bad. Could you just keep enjoying the show?
If there is a scene where I like the girl but the guy has no erection or is not able to penetrate properly, what am I supposed to enjoy? Just the naked woman? Real sex does not work in either case. Every 30 seconds a blow job, because the guy is limp again, or 1 inch of the tip is not an enjoyable sex IMO. And when the sex appears ridiculous, what is left of the scene?
^ It's hardly the same! Porn scenes aren't arranged in a series in that way!
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Posted - Apr 29 2020 : 3:57PM
I would say we come for the girls, but it is the man who makes or breaks the scene. I've scene plenty of scenes when the man cannot perform. This often happens in DP's when one of the men, probably inhibited by the other male or in a gang bang when one cant' perform. As a subscriber to PureTaboo I've seen all these scenarios and sometimes in a MF shoot that goes on too long the girl literally carries the male. Then their are the male performers, one I call The Beard, that trashes a scene even making the worst possible episode of Pascal Subsluts when on it's American sojurn. I do wonder what directors in porn actually do.
Edited by - BobBrent on 4/29/2020 3:58:11 PM
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Posted - Apr 29 2020 : 11:22PM
To your first question, your analogy doesn't quite work because, for me, at least, the female performers in the scene are by far the most important thing in determining whether or not I'm going to enjoy the scene. So, for me, I look at is as: "Hey, as long as the main star of the show is still there, it's not that big of a deal to me if the show's supporting cast gets replaced."
As for your second point, actually, simply seeing a hot girl's body fully naked does do a lot for me. Additionally, I always enjoy the blowjob portions of scenes, especially if it's shot POV style. And in regards to the rest, I personally don't obsessively inspect a guy's dick throughout a scene to make sure that it's "100%" hard and that the guy is shoving his dick in all the way with every thrust he makes into a girl's pussy/ass. Guys like you, who demand and expect perfection from the male performers throughout an entire scene, are just bound to be disappointed with EVERY porn scene, basically.
Edited by - Mass Facialties on 4/29/2020 11:23:21 PM
What Have You Done To My Little Cable Boy? 2966 Posts 5/10
Posted - Apr 30 2020 : 3:00AM
^But I'm not a 'dick-Nazi'. I do not expect perfection without mercy. Guys like Chris Diamond rarely go deep and actors like Roman Nomar sometimes need a 'break'. Still, I wouldn't complain about them, because they are good actors after all. But if you're half-flaccid from start to finish, or using only the tip for the WHOLE scene, even though you are far from being hung....then I'm critical of that. I do not expect perfection, I expect the standard. And the standard is not half hard from start to finish and only the tip from start to finish IMO.
BINGO!! I don't know why guys complain about the guys in scenes. Hell, do you just want a floating dick to be fucking the woman? Then go watch machingfucking.com
If I find a really hot scene that has lots of passion, lust, eagerness, enthusiasm, etc., and I look at who the guy and girl is in the scene, 9 times out of 10 if I go look at other scenes that that same woman is in (with other guys), most the other of her scenes are going to be "meh". But if I go look at other scenes that same guy is in (with other women), 7 times out of 10 those scenes usually turn out to be pretty hot also. It's something out how certain guys fuck the girls and get them to respond to being fucked with eagerness and enthusiasm.
I've already responded once to this thread, I'm sure.. but to reiterate and to add to the list:
1) Lackluster scenes (no passion, lust, eagerness, enthusiasm). Granted I have high standards for these things, but this alone is why I think 99% of porn is boring. I'm simply looking for that 1% gems out of a mountain of meh.
2) Guys jacking off to finish. I would rather have a guy so turned on with lust/passion towards the girl he's fucking that the scene only lasts 5 minutes before he can't hold back and cover her with cum, than to have an hour long passionless scene where they have to cut to the guy jacking off and coming on her face.
3) When a guy cums multiple times in a scene (which I LOVE), but the female performer pays it little to no attention and they just go on fucking like nothing just happened. I want her to be over the moon that she made the guy cum, but he's still so turned on he can't stop fucking her and she's going to be able to get more cum out of him. When you skim thru a scene that has multiple cum shots and you can't even find where they are in the scene, that's a problem with the girls attitude/performance.
4) When there's anal in the scene, then a cut, then oral. If the woman isn't going to eagerly do A2M, then don't even pretend that you didn't cut the guy washing his dick after the anal before the oral. Just don't even do that.. do the oral early in the scene, do the anal later in the scene and then don't do oral afterwards. If a woman doesn't want to do A2M, that's perfectly fine, don't do it. But don't try to pretend that she's is doing it by using a cut.
5) Women (who do more than just a couple of scenes)who can't deepthroat. I mean if the guy is Mandingo or something, sure, I'll cut some slack, but for the 99% of other guys out there, come on, if you are a "porn star" you're supposed to be a pro at sex. Grab a dildo and practice.
^^I could go the rest of my hetero porn watching career without ever seeing a guy's face again. The cuck and bi stuff would be a bit different though as the guy's face is kind of necessary when the girl stuffs a dick in the guy's mouth directly from her cunt.
Edited by - Mike Hawk CEO Dixon Cider on 4/30/2020 6:04:50 PM
2. No one will argue the jacking off part and 95% should be edited out. However, you do realize that it's a job first and foremost, right? Show me a guy who has to bang Bunny Slippers a few times as part of a job, and unless there is undeniable chemistry between the 2 of them on a personal level, you'll see a guy who is tired of banging Bunny Slippers. If you're a content provider how can you sell a 5 minute scene for $20? You probably need an hour of material to put together a 20 minute scene. The guy has to be a machine and if he's cumming after 5 minutes , he's not going to get hired again.
3. Again, it's a performance. Maybe some girls like the fact that the guy cums and keeps going. You also have to realize that they get paid by the scene not the hour, so if the guy cums too quickly and they don't have the required number of positions, she's probably thinking, "shit, I"ll be here another 2 hours!"
4. Regarding the cut between anal and oral, maybe there was some residue or crumbs on the guy's junk.
5. Not every girl wants a viagra fueled piece of wood jackhammering down their throats.
Edited by - Mike Hawk CEO Dixon Cider on 4/30/2020 6:39:48 PM
Secrets Shared By Two - review by Captain Jack
Posted - Apr 19 2020 : 1:24PM
