Absolutely, I just wanted to mitigate the Netherland's reputation as a pool of vice, which of course it is, only not necessarily more so than a bunch of other countries. It's the same with drugs: the Netherlands has got the name for it because it's partly legalized, but it's swarming with foreign drug addicts who are making trouble. I've never done drugs in my life (nor fucked a horse, or any other animal, for that matter) but as soon as peope hear I'm from Amsterdam they assume I'm a carrying around all kinds of illegal substances. mod: nested quote removed Edited by - hardware on 9/5/2007 5:23:17 PM
Yes, the Netherlands of 2007 are not the Netherlands of 1995 or of 1981 ( God beware ! ). The Netherlands had their "conservative rollback", which is still going on. I doubt that we still will see animal porn in 2010 here in NL.
It remains a topic which stirs up a lot of emotion. Some Monica Mattos fans clearly do not appreciate Monica's horse scene and are getting all worked up about it in this thread.
This reminds me of an old joke... What is the difference between kinky and perverted? Kinky is when you use a feather. Perverted is when you use the whole bird.
The same thing frequently surprises me in this forum. I am amazed how much bigotry and prejudice finds its way in here. Gay haters, black haters, white haters and now this. You would expect people who like porn to know better. While I am always ready to say so when something is not to my taste, you will not find me fulminating with rage and demanding that everyone with different sexual tastes from me should be treated like a criminal. I have seen horse and dog porn, and personally, it did nothing for me at all, but for goodness sake, if people want to watch it, let them. The animals are not being harmed in any way whatever. Those who don't like it should be like me and not buy it. Apart from that, they should mind their own goddam business.
This reminds me that my grandmother told me, once, of a young man who'd been convicted of raping a cow. I asked her why. she said, and I quote - "He wasn't supposed to be doing that to that cow!" I guess nobody told the cow that.
why would you expect this? porn is a degenerate medium that exploits people for money, portrays dubious morals and double standards, and appeals to the lowest common denominator. it's not conducive to enlightenment or tolerance. that said, i expect it to. but, what're you gonna do?
"How many people walk away from such an experience satisfied, and how many walk away ashamed?" If this is ONLY done for the money, then this will haunt the women. But I think men dont know ( or dont want to know ), how many women fantasize about horses..... Of course, doing it and only dreaming about it, are two different things. But there really is nothing a women should be ashamed about, as long, as no horse (or other animal) is harmed.
Women fantasize about horses? Ok. I thought I was too ugly. But I guess I have a chance after all. I'm a little lacking "down there" But I can strap something on or somethin' I just need to advertise, I guess. "I'm single. I can do the hay smell, somehow. I'm uglier than a horse. I'll even wear a saddle, if you'd like" Edited by - randomprecision on 9/7/2007 3:45:13 PM
Sure they may not be harmed physically. How are you to know that no harm is being done to them, perhaps mentally? Are you just taking a wild guess? Can you read an animal's mind to see how it feels? No, you can't. Animals can be trained to do pretty much anything without attacking us. That doesn't mean we should fuck them and that makes it's ok. My guess is that certain animals are kept just for performing in bestiality movies over and over. I don't see how that could be good for them. Oh, but they aren't physically harmed! Perfectly ok then! I have absolutely no problem with people liking bestiality. I think it's sick, but it's ok if people want to watch it. I can understand a movie where the dog tries to hump the woman on it's own and then they film it. That's not nearly as bad and at least somewhat consensual! I imagine in some movies they force the animals to have sex with the woman. Don't tell me every single one of those dogs knows exactly what to do and they just suddenly get "wood". It's funny how you group the people who dislike bestiality and think it's wrong into the same category as gay haters, white haters, black haters etc. I'm pretty open minded about these sort of things. If it was suddenly legal in the USA I might be able to put up with it but it would be difficult. I just don't like bestiality and think it's wrong. So what?
This is crazy...animals do not have higher brain function. They are stimulous response. They get wood they fuck and they do not have hurt feelings about it.
So, why aren't you campaigning against people riding on the backs of horses? Why aren't you campaigning against blind people having guide dogs? Why aren't you campaigning against small irresponsible children having animals as pets? Why aren't you campaigning against birds in cages and fish in glass bowls? Can you read the animals minds to prove they don't dislike these things? Of course not. Why are you only complaining about animals fucking, which they do voluntarily and obviously enjoy? I'll tell you why. You have been exposed to puritan prudes disease, and it has left scars on your mind. You have bought into the whole big lie that sex is "abuse" and "sinful" and something to be ashamed of. It's a lie. Sex is not "abuse". Sex is not "harmful". Sex is a normal, everyday function of almost any living thing more complex than a bacterium. The only creature that can even BEGIN to feel ashamed about sex is a human being, and even then it takes years of childhood brainwashing by a perverse and sick society to make the shame happen. Relax. Free your mind. Take off the uniform and dance!
Women's necks are too damned sexy for me! 756 Posts 3/06
Posted - Sep 8 2007 : 1:22AM
Except maybe elephants, lions, tigers, pit bulls, coyotes, wolves, ostriches, rhinos, alligators, bears, and some kangaroos. They don't call them animals for nothing! A good many of people have died trying to train or believing the animals were trained. Most animals have a strong distrust of humans.
Wow! We not only have porn stars here on Adult DVD Talk, but psychologists as well! That's good to know. Thanks for explaining why I don't like bestiality. Good job! Sure, sex is perfectly normal. But when you get to the point where you think sex with animals is perfectly normal, then there is something wrong with your head. Sorry, but it's true. That's my opinion and I don't care what anyone thinks. Don't group people who like to fuck animals into the same group as homosexuals either. Not in a million years will fucking animals be socially accepted. If I preferred animals and told people, that's just as bad as someone being a pedophile. Not quite, but close. All my friends and family would disown me. But why? It's perfectly normal! It's just sex! I'm still kind of wondering why on earth you are telling me sex is normal? We are talking about sex between humans and animals here not man and woman!
If you don't break the rules, you'll never have any fun! 717 Posts 10/06
Posted - Sep 8 2007 : 7:11AM
The last line is the most important. Certainly not everyone likes the same things. But be open to new sensations and new pleasures. While I have never had a beastiality expereince, I think I would if given the right, safe opportunity. An earlier poster correctly said that some women fantasize about horses or dogs. Fantasy is a GOOD thing. For me, I would rather expereince doggy sex than be throat gagged by a cock until I puke, but certain companies make a fortune selling that! Pornography and adult sex is about exploration and pleasure. Don't be so closed minded. mod: snipped the quote (and properly sourced it) Edited by - hardware on 9/8/2007 7:22:38 AM
Way to go. Didn't answer a single one of my points. Great debating technique. May I say, you have a very interesting definition of what constitutes an "open mind".
And that's your argument in favor of bestiality? It reminds me of that one South Park episode with NAMBLA in which a child molester got all ethical about his attraction to children and how free love should overcome the boundaries of age because anything else would be close-minded. I think the response he got was pretty appropriate: "Dude, you have sex with children. Yeah. You know, we believe in equality for everybody, and tolerance, and all that gay stuff, but dude, fuck you. Seriously." Edited by - UnkwnUsr2 on 9/8/2007 1:15:23 PM
in those horse scenes, do the women actually get penetrated by the horse, I always thought it was pretty much just oral. and how do they keep from getting trampled?
Some do. They usually have a brace or something for the horse to lean over/on. I know this because I witnessed a small clip of it. The chick ended up with like a gallon of cum in her pussy. *Shivers*
There is penetration too. Its no problem with a Pony, but it can be difficult with a bigger horse. If the women have a good (sexual) relationship with a horse, then the danger of being hit is very low to zero. But Ive heard too, that in some brazilian and east european animal porn, they also used sedatives. ( But I dont want to know, what the women are taking in brazilian porn.......) I really dont like this. I would never give a horse a tranquilizer, only to "have a nice time" with it. I wouldnt insert this into a mans beer also......
By the Way - I don't really hate or like beastiality. I really don't even think about it. But to all those saying that Beastiality is no more extreme than a Max Hardcore film or Gag Factor(which I also dislike) or whatever...LMAO! Get real. You can't be serious. There is a reason why that is Illegal in most countries. Its not normal. And it is by far way more extreme.
Ok, so if i don't think bestiality is ok then I don't have an open mind? That's news to me. I'm sorry, but nobody is debating here. I've posted in what seems like half a dozen similar threads and they all end up the same way. You're trying to argue with me just because of the fact that i'm against bestiality and think it's disgusting. I guess i'm not entitled to my own opinion on this matter. Why are you trying to change it? You have your own opinion/beliefs and I have mine. End of discussion. I'm done with this thread. It's the same thing over and over again..
The point is that many people not only have a point , but also want that their point must be the only one allowed. I find scat disgusting , more than bestiality, and is also very unhealthy but I'm not trying to stop those who like to be covered with shit and even to eat it It is up to them
So is breathing. Are you saying it's all cyclical, or that the arguments are all circular, or am I completely perpendicular to your point? I await a rapier-like riposte. No bats allowed. Bats! This is bat country, you know.