Porn is a dying industry.

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Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Apr 9 2009 : 9:22PM Stormy Daniels wrote. Actually the full msg reads, "I am beyond ready to retire from porn...it's a dying industry anyway. Time for something new and better!!!" I think Ms. Daniels is gung-ho about directing in mainstream and I understand that piracy is killing sales, but the industry is dying? Sex will stop selling? What do you guys think she's on to? Maybe she'll elaborate for us. [Link]
realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04	Posted - Apr 9 2009 : 9:42PM If porn is a dying industry, I think it has more to do with triteness than anything else. [Link]
ma meeshka Iconoclastic Member 3939 Posts 4/06	Posted - Apr 9 2009 : 10:30PM reads to me like someone who is losing at a game and says 'oh, this game sucks anyway! i'm not playing anymore!' [Link]
popdog Member 865 Posts 5/05	Posted - Apr 9 2009 : 11:05PM "Screw you guys, I'm going home." [Link]
john lyons Senior Member Co-founder of Vinegar Syndrome 1188 Posts 1/08	Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 1:52AM It is ding and it deserves to be, at least in its current form. There's next to no artistry these days, little genuine filmmaking talent, and let's face it: it's boring watching the same people fuck each other over and over with absolutely NO raison d'etre. And with the market so flooded with titles, nothing is unque or interesting anymore. It's all permutations of the same thing. So yes, PORN is a thankfully dying industry. With good luck though, the people who are smart enough to realize this will also be smart enough to devise a way of reviving it into something better, maybe stepping back 30 or so years and learning something from the successes of the past. [Link]

bouges Member 101 Posts 11/08	Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 1:56AM I think porn is alive and well. The industry is not without its faults such as lacking imagination too often, but the day sex stops selling is the day the world stops turning. Edit - posted before seeing John Lyons post... and I am in complete agreement with his view. Why there is not more creativity in porn is just weird, imo. Edited by - bouges on 4/10/2009 2:04:34 AM [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 2:37AM Stormy's winning at the game. My bet is she's just ready for new challenges, and is in a position to pursue them. [Link]
Shagdog Member Houston 626 Posts 1/07	Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 6:27AM Because Stormy Daniels is tired of porn she thinks everyone should be too. People like watching, other people fuck, always have always will. [Link]
lenscap Member everywhere 185 Posts 10/05	Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 7:01AM Perhaps her bookings to make pornos are down...hence, its a dying industry... [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 7:05AM I don't think the basic concept of porn can die. It's a simple matter of the current crop being out of ideas. Maybe they're resting on their laurels? Maybe they simply have no idea what's stimulating and erotic to the dude sitting in some shack in Nebraska beating off at 2 AM. But if the industry as it is "dies" something similar will almost certainly take it's place and anyone who is a part of the current industry who is hungry, ambitious and creative enough to adapt will no doubt be right there on top of it. The biggest problem (As I see it) is that too many people have exploited the truism that "Sex always sells" for too long. So much of what is made is crappy, trivial shit and yet enough people still buy it to finance more. Edited by - randomprecision on 4/10/2009 7:10:31 AM [Link]
ma meeshka Iconoclastic Member 3939 Posts 4/06	Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 7:09AM skronker wrote: Stormy's winning at the game. My bet is she's just ready for new challenges, and is in a position to pursue them. Click to expand maybe. but wouldn't it be more mature to say that instead of 'porn isn't cool anymore anyways'? [Link]
Dubious_Leftovers Senior Member And on that fateful day, the hatred consumed me... 1423 Posts 3/09	Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 7:52AM How can porn die? Yes, financially it can go into decline (as any business can), but a certain amount of adaptation is needed (as with the music industry). Fundamentally, people like sex. They like seeing it and they like partaking in it (if that option's available to them). Speaking as a guy, I like seeing beautiful women naked and carnal. It's been the same since forever and always shall be. I'm not alone in this, so there will always be an audience and people to pay in some way, to see these delights - from the inquisitive kids sneaking a peek at a crumpled-up nudie mag, to the "dirty old man" shuffling about on the periphery. Factor in the exhibitionists, the swingers or people that get a kick out of being watched in some way - that also gets its onlookers and people willing to get off on it. I think people who are in the industry or spend a lot of time on message boards (like this) are prone to getting jaded - complaining that there's no imagination or that they've seen it all before. It has all been seen before, but take a break from it, or remember that in some places porn is heavily restricted (or outright banned), then you'll realise how lucky we are to have what we've got. [Link]
fu_q All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09	Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 8:42AM If one looks back...say...15 years (when I first started watching porn), there was only a handful of actresses and content relative to today. Porn has been expanding at leaps and bounds over this time--to the point where there are hundreds and hundreds (or more???) of girls in it at any given time, in one form or another...and a ton of content--especially with the internet sites (I'm talking about the legit ones with original content here)... If anything, porn was such a growing industry, that it has over-expanded and is just simply shrinking down a bit to where it should be via market pressures (including things like the recession, etc.) The only thing that I can think of that might truly be causing the "death" of the porn industry would be the illegal downloading that goes on... Otherwise, I think that it's just fine and just settling out like any other industry would in a recession and after over-expansion. (Just my uneducated guesses) That said--good luck to Stormy if she chooses to pursue other endeavors. I just hope that she doesn't turn around and bad-mouth the adult industry that got her to where she is too much...(not saying that she has /will -- just that SOME have in the past) edit: typo Edited by - fu_q on 4/10/2009 8:45:45 AM [Link]
joneric Member 115 Posts 12/06	Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 9:33AM I don't know how to respond to this...it seems that Stormy and her films are quite popular, but I must admit, the big selling Vivid stuff and the like, the features, are not the vids I like to watch. I like the hot nasty stuff, with anal, ATM, dp's, and gangbangs, and there is enough of that being produced. Would I like to see features that had stories PLUS the nasty stuff (like the Dark Bros. films, which I loved, or Fashionistas)? Oh hell yeah. I would. Would I like more variety, some plotting, some more creativity in fuck scenarios? Oh yeah. JE [Link]
jayo All-Star Member 2117 Posts 7/04	Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 11:43AM fu_q wrote: Click to expand Pretty much everything I wanted to say. Funny--I still buy porn, I buy books, I even buy CDs. I just don't buy crap. [Link]

skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 2:38PM ma meeshka wrote: maybe. but wouldn't it be more mature to say that instead of 'porn isn't cool anymore anyways'? Click to expand Maybe she's right. I do think Porn Valley Porn is at the end of its cycle. When the DVD thing finally collapses, it's going to be a different landscape. It almost is already. Edited by - skronker on 4/10/2009 2:40:22 PM [Link]
mariemadison Member 57 Posts 2/04	Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 3:37PM I'm on board with most of this, especially the post by John Lyons. Where 'Porn Valley' went wrong, is the Studio's and Distributor's have been more or less putting out the same stuff for the last 10 years, to the point that it's all become interchangeable and frankly, disposable. Coming from someone who's spent most of her career jumping up and down and waving my arms to get the attention of the 'mainstream' porn engine running wild out in 'The Valley', I can tell you that the industry did it to themselves. They've taken the 'That's what's always worked... so why change?" approach for a decade now, while overtly ignoring anything too 'strange', 'different', or even remotely outside of the box of what they've always seen selling. "Someone Does Something Naughty (Again) On Someone Else Volume 297". Yeah, I'll pass. And I'm not alone, which is why you hear so much bitching about the decline of the porn industry. It's not that people aren't buying adult content, it's just that they're looking everywhere else, but their local porn shop. For fucks sake, when the fans aren't buying it anymore because they are just tired of it all, then we as an industry have missed the boat years ago. Since I began producing adult films in 2001, I've dealt directly with my fans and have built a following strictly through keeping my costs down and listening closely to what they are asking me for - and then delivering it in the best quality I can. You can't find my stuff in Video Stores because I've always released on DVD-R and lately in Downloads and VOD. So none of the stores want the discs, and pretty much every distributor in The Valley has done their best to ignore me and mysteriously 'lose' my submissions. But I'm doing just fine. In fact, I'm now expanding to include a manufacturing and distribution division that will enable Video Store owners to carry my stuff. And before everyone freaks out, I don't want anyone to think I'm talking about the entire industry. To the contrary, some of the brightest and creative mind's I've ever come across are working in adult. But the rest of them have gotten a little lost. Fell into a groove and forgot that we all work in the entertainment business, rather than the wholesale manufacturing of movies with close up girl parts. No, the fans aren't going to stop buying. They haven't yet, anyway. But they have made it pretty clear to the producers and hopefully the video stores, that they are a much more discerning audience with many more options, and a bigger intelligence than we give them credit for. - Marie Madison [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 5:26PM Too many stupid people fucking over other stupid people until they fucked themselves but are too stupid to know it. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. Like so many other industries right now, porn is thrashing around while new media races ahead at a dizzying clip. But as Marie notes, old-fashioned, person-to-person DIY entrepreneurship will always succeed if the goods are there. And social media makes that happen better than anything. [Link]
Dildoslime Member 177 Posts 4/09	Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 6:01PM Porn is dying because it has nowhere to go at it's current direction without crossing the decency laws. Look back at porn over the years. Black and white that was tame, 80's porn that got risky, current porn that regularly has anal, a2m, abuse, etc.. Just like the reality shows that got more and more extreme, they can only go so far. Hell, they aren't even eating bugs on tv anymore. [Link]
10000 days Deactivated User Keep on trolling. What a bullshit! Im fucking unstoppable now ... 717 Posts 3/06	Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 8:48PM Forgive my novice google searching skills, but where was this quoted from? [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 8:49PM Dildoslime wrote: Porn is dying because it has nowhere to go ... Click to expand It's actually dialed way back from aLL that. For the most part. The INternet offers far more extreme fare for free. [Link]
BAS Member 343 Posts 9/08	Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 9:14PM It seems hard to believe that people will lose interest in watching other people having sex. I'm a fan and have been since I watched my first film, a 16mm loop around 1980 somewhere. There's a great deal of porn in the market now, so much so that I don't have the time and resources to keep up, instead I concentrate on the few actresses who, for reasons having to do with quality of performances and appearance, I consistently enjoy. There are also a few directors, e.g. Mike John, that I follow but a great deal of the product out there doesn't appeal to me and I am so swamped when I wander in the on line media stores that it's hard to know what to buy. Maybe porn will move to more of a micro producers model instead of the studio models. Regardless of the model I'll still want to watch attractive women having sex. [Link]
Crucifixio_Jones Senior Member Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist 4727 Posts 10/03	Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 9:37PM How can fans/consumers continue to be excited or intrigued about porn currently when the performers themselves seem bored or are admittedly outright "done" with it? [Link]
BAS Member 343 Posts 9/08	Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 9:53PM Great Question. I just watch the women who interest me, who seem to enjoy what their doing or at least give a relatively accurate facsimile of that. I have absolutely no connections to the industry but to paraphrase Justice Potter Stewart, I know what I like to watch when I see it, and every year there are a few new women, as well as several longer serving ones, who provide me with a great deal of pleasure and enjoyment through their performances. As for Stormy I haven't seen that much of her work but if she feels its time to retire then she should move on, and God Bless. Someone else will take her place, and after her someone else. As long as there is a way for customers to provide money to women performers for their performances, there will be women performing in pornographic scenarios. What that form may be I don't know. [Link]
Jeff @ IAFD Webmaster IAFD.COM 931 Posts 6/00	Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 10:11PM I figure the demise of porn can be traced to the couch interview... and the director (not a character) talking from behind the camera. (Stagliano directed and Buttman talked behind the camera -- related, but oh so different.) IMHO, the porn that gets me going is the porn that has people invested in one another; and that's usually demonstrated thru some sort of set up. Having a girl say "I'm 19 and I'm here to suck some dick" really isn't a set up. It'd be better if the girl actually looked like she WANTED to suck some dick, and wasn't just there because the rent was due. The best performers to me are the ones who portray themselves as actually getting lost in the moment. I don't care if it's all fake and staged; if its convincing, that's good enough for me. At some point, people decided they didn't need to convince me that the people wanted to have sex with one another for some sort of animalistic urge -- they merely had to go thru the motions -- dick in mouth, dick in ass, dick in pussy, turn her around and jerk off on her face. God forbid she tries to get the guy off, he bats her hand away because -- as we know -- the best handjob in the world comes from your own hand... and when time is money, who has the time to let the girl get him off -- better he gets himself off and we can all go home... or at least move on to the next set up. After so much of that -- and it is all so interchangable -- the market goes elsewhere. That's not to say a formula is bad -- the Backseat Bangers series is just about the same every time -- guy picks up a chick, calls her "girlfriend" a lot, coaxes her into the back of the van, sweet talks her into getting naked and fucking the dude on the bench next to her -- but somehow, it's the little details that really make it all work. The slightest of convincing -- "no one's gonna know" -- thrusts the scene so far beyond the Vince Vouyer couch scenes and gauntlets... This actually doesn't really have anything to do with a dying industry. I don't think it's dying, just mutating. The shakeout over the end of DVDs will be challenging for a lot of companies, but the big guys will handle it; the smaller studios maybe not -- but they'll be replaced by the Janet Mason's and the Marie Madison's of the world -- long tail providers who can make a living out of as little as 300 guys paying $30 a month to watch them strut their stuff... Perhaps it's the era of the medium sized porn studio is over... [Link]

Porn Scout Deactivated User 3735 Posts 10/02	Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 12:39AM I've thought for a while that the porn industry is kind of like the snake eating its own tail. It's really expanded and gotten huge, but at the same time there are so many studios out there that everyone's slice of the pie is getting smaller and smaller. Add the various sources of free content that are out there - youporn, redtube, various torrent sites, etc. - and you can start to see how margins are getting squeezed. I don't think the industry will cease to exist, but it will look a lot different in five years than it does now. [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 2:02AM Jeff @ IAFD wrote: I Perhaps it's the era of the medium sized porn studio is over... Click to expand Same with mainstream. As I reported recently in Paste, and as noted by many others, there's going to be the blockbusters (Batman) and the super-low-budget indies (I'll pick Ballast, but could be any Sundance/SXSW fave) that reach most of their audience through services like IFC Direct or the Netflix servers. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 5:01AM Porn has been creatively dead for at least a decade or more, but there are a few exceptions these days (Jake Malone, Mason, Kink, William H, Eli Cross, Kimberly Kane). Hopefully the internet does wipe out the LA industry as I think some of the worst characteristics of that town have soaked into porn for too long. I think one of the reasons Kink is more interesting is because it is shot outside of L.A. It will be better if porn is produced in more areas than just one city, I'd love to see a return of NY porn in addition to Florida, Europe, etc. [Link]
juha Senior Member 2752 Posts 3/05	Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 5:30AM Savoy wrote: Stormy Daniels wrote. Actually the full msg reads, "I am beyond ready to retire from porn...it's a dying industry anyway. Time for something new and better!!!" I think Ms. Daniels is gung-ho about directing in mainstream and I understand that piracy is killing sales, but the industry is dying? Sex will stop selling? What do you guys think she's on to? Maybe she'll elaborate for us. Click to expand I am one of a handful Wicked fans on this board. I spent lots of Euro on Stormy. For me this statement is a slap in the face. This is Stormy's "I will no longer be spreading my legs for the industry anymore". It saddens me that the most successful adult stars turn their back on the industry as soon as they think they don't need it anymore. Probably Stormy is right about the industry dying, especially the part of the industry she spent her career in. Companies like DP, JKP and Wicked with their contract girls are the equivalent to the old Hollywood studio system. This studio system died in the 50s and 60s. But it didn't stop the mainstream film production. On the contrary in the aftermath of the studio system decline some of the most fascinating American films were produced. [Link]
Jeff Mullen Member Hall of Famer -Time to get out 219 Posts 1/08	Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 6:17AM There is really only so many ways you can portray people having sex and no matter how creative somebody gets, others will find it boring and be ready to complain and move on to something else. The main problem I think is an audience that is beginning to get used to jerking off for free and that quite possibly will make the lack of creativity many on this board are referring to find dizzying new heights. As the business evolves, you will see less and less money being put into production by most companies which will really make the interesting, different or wonderfully creative productions few and far between. You won't see many Corruptions, Uploads, or the next 8 million dollar Pirate 3 movie coming out as much as you have in the past. You will see a great majority of the companies in business today struggling mightily and sadly to say I think there most likely might also be a void of new producers willing to invest the necessary capital to create that special or fresh content you are so desiring. Those of you who think we are merely going through a transition are not seeing the entire picture I don't think. We are no longer like the music industry with a slew of other areas in which to generate major revenue. We have one single product and that is content which is greatly devalued when given away for free and sadly, everwhere you look there is free porn. The younger buyers are no longer buyers as they are expecting to watch for free. It might have seemed like a great thing for fans to be able to see thousands of still photos and video clips for free to bust a nut to, but in truth that is just a silent gun that is killing off the industry. Sure there will always be some new risk-takers that seek to create new movies which is a good thing but the sustainable business motive (although still there from my company X-Play) will be lacking for most. I know that many of you on these boards don't really love the parody/comedies as much as the harder core titles but the rest of America loves a good laugh with their porn and that is why X-Play and www.sitcums.com is thriving. Otherwise the future would look very bleak for us too. There is still life left in the porn industry as more porn is consumed today that ever before. It's just consumed for free. I love every minute of working in it and we will continue to be as creative as we possibly can in an attempt to bring something that is at least a little different from the same 5 guys fucking the same 5 girls. We're gonna take those same 5 guys, put them in costumes, build a fancy set, pretend to be on a TV show and THEN have them fuck those same 5 girls. I'm just kidding but you get the point. I hope some of you have fun watching our Cosby Show XXX spoof that comes out in early June. At least nobody has done that before. [Link]
dlhardin Member 62 Posts 3/09	Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 6:17AM Porn is a dying industry!?!?!? Wow! I never thought I would hear the day..... In reference to piracy hurting sales, take a look at mainstream music or film industry (duh). Porn is really not that different. However, in reference to Stormy's quote, like any other business, porn must evolve. It is only "dying" as how it has/was seen. What about the future of porn??? The gaming industry is close by, same demographics, etc. But the link is technology. 3D Graphics will be the next evolution. Advances in face recognition software will be able to implement into whole body schemes to where you could have any girl you could imagine doing any porn scene you want! The possibilities are endless, and so there will never will be (in the long term) a "dying" of the porn idustry. [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 8:48AM I'm indifferent towards if Stormy retires or not. But it stikes me kinda funny to hear Stormy imply it's time for something "new" in porn when she to my knowledge hasn't tried to do a whole lot of "new" or different things herself. As far as I know there's plenty of "new" boundries for Stormy to tackle porn-wise. Maybe I'm wrong but I've always seen Stormy as just another contract girl doing unadventurous scenes. [Link]
aussie_guy77 Member 121 Posts 4/07	Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 8:53AM As dlhardin says its part of evolution. The world changes everyday, from records to cassettes to cd's. Porn will not die, it will simply change its form to suit consumer demands and desires. I look forward to the future and what it holds, there's no need to be negative. [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 9:12AM Porn isn't dying by any means. DVD sales are down because more people are seeing it on the net. The reason so many here think it's not as creative or more repetetive is because (1) Many of you are watching too much stuff and no matter how "creative" porn gets if you're watching it all the time it becomes old hat. (2) With free stuff being available many of you are watching more of the free stuff and that isn't always the best stuff. (3) It's obvious some of you are one trick ponies and simply watch the same type of stuff all the time. Things would get better if tried new things from time to time. (4) There's only so many sexual tricks you can do. Some of you talk of features and set up but no matter what they do it all ends up with a intercourse and there isn't much if anything you can do that hasn't been done. Besides, when new elements are tried they're usually met with complaints from some of you. [Link]
Mike_Rach Member 89 Posts 10/03	Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 9:16AM Losing creativity? I think we're losing focus of why we watch porn. It's more than just two hot people having sex, they have to enjoy it, and go at it with some enthusiasm. Then there's some artistic talent of the director & camera man capturing it. When those things are lacking, then the scene is lacking. Nowadays, it seems creativity has gone to either circus acts, or into plots. You can skip that. I watch porn to watch hot women have sex. * Not to dismiss the feature market, as it's more woman/couple friendly, a valid niche. [Link]

Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 9:33AM aussie_guy77 wrote: As dlhardin says its part of evolution. The world changes everyday, from records to cassettes to cd's. Porn will not die, it will simply change its form to suit consumer demands and desires. I look forward to the future and what it holds, there's no need to be negative. Click to expand Exactly. Porn has always changed with the times and tastes of the current consumer. Porn from the 70s isn't the same as porn from the 80s and that porn isn't the same as the 90s stuff and 90s stuff is different than the stuff of today. Porn has gone from only being able to watch in a theatre to being able to rent them from a store on VHS to or buy the tape if you were willing to spend lots of money. It then became possible to watch it on cable. Then cheap DVDs and internet access became available. We've had pornstars who were generally not so good looking in the beginning to very beautiful girls. We've had big breast phases, Big Butt phases, "teen" phases, MILF phases, curvy, chubby. Feature girl era, gonzo girl era, "loving" sex era, extreme sex era. Anal, DP, IR, Choking, Bukakki(sp) Gangbangs, gagging, spitting, slapping, blowbangs, lesbian, squirting footplay and lots of stuff I'm probably forgetting. The only constant throughout the years has been people complaining that the old stuff better. [Link]
Webnasty Senior Member I'm looking at You Girls 1110 Posts 7/08	Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 9:50AM This. [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 10:01AM Like 10000 Days, I'm still hoping someone posts a link to this or at least tells us where they read this so any full context can be understood. Someone who doesn't like Stormy could post this just for the reaction we've seen in this thread. I'm not saying Savoy is doing this, just that nobody should start a thread like this without providing the source. Stormy posts here. Maybe give her a chance to clarify once we've seen the full context before we start saying she slapped our face? Just my two cents. [Link]
Crucifixio_Jones Senior Member Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist 4727 Posts 10/03	Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 10:28AM Jeff Mullen wrote: I hope some of you have fun watching our Cosby Show XXX spoof that comes out in early June. At least nobody has done that before. Click to expand Yeah, because someone doing a porn parody of something mainstream has never been done before. still awaiting the hopefully inevitable Facts of Life* spoof* [Link]
fu_q All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09	Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 10:36AM pringles wrote: without providing the source. Click to expand Her twitter account appears to be the source: http://twitter.com/PornStarStormy "@_________ I am beyond ready to retire from porn...it's a dying industry anyway. Time for something new and better!!! 8:20 AM Apr 8th from web in reply to ________" I removed the @ and to individual's name. Also from her twitter account--preceding the above-listed message: "got confirmation for an important meeting on friday...could mean I will be directing lots more mainstream music videos! Time for change!!! 7:26 AM Apr 8th from web" This may be the new direction that she will be going in -- I wish her well and all the best. (There's a lot of interesting stuff on the twitter site, btw--just from a cursory glance, it looks like she wants to continue to write and direct in adult...but I didn't do an exhaustive read-through) Edited by - fu_q on 4/11/2009 10:41:52 AM [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 11:11AM She was also asked afterwards why she said that and her response was: "@(withheld) Piracy and illegal file sharing are killing sales. It's destroyed the music industry. Even the new Wolverine movie got leaked" This was available at the time of the original post here. I can understand how frustrating it would be to put as much effort into her movies as she does for them to stolen. Good for her for having other career options to pursue. I don't see that she's said or indicated anything derogatory here about the industry. Sounds to me like she's excited about new opportunities. [Link]
Unferth Member 277 Posts 1/09	Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 11:17AM Yes it is definitely dying. I for one am sick and tired of watching beautiful naked women pleasuring themselves. Let's all go watch Dancing With The Stars, who's with me? Edited by - unferth on 4/11/2009 11:17:46 AM [Link]
Derek117 Senior Member 1605 Posts 1/06	Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 11:26AM IMO the Porn Industry is dying in it's current form, mostly for the reasons people have listed above. To sum up, the three main reasons are lack of creativity, too much greed which leads to very poor quality product, and a industry-wide business approach that trashes the very young & often immature female talent, both mentally & physically, so they leave the industry within a year. And prevents other young, sexually progressive women from considering entering the biz. But I also think porn will have a rebirth from the ashes of the current industry. It will start with new, creative talent behind the camera & in the front offices, the determination of female performers to make the industry a long-term career; and they will demand better treatment, more realistic (vs. "anger fantasy") sex scenes, more storyline & acting, and better product. And lastly, there will not be a porn rebirth until the porn buying fan-base expands. This means more mainstream-friendly, feature product. And less shock, extreme & over-the-top product--that has a small consumer base, that can't financially support the industry. Sex will never die, but the porn industry has been badly managed over the past ten years. [Link]
mariemadison Member 57 Posts 2/04	Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 11:46AM -- but they'll be replaced by the Janet Mason's and the Marie Madison's of the world -- long tail providers who can make a living out of as little as 300 guys paying $30 a month to watch them strut their stuff... Click to expand What's this about my tail now? Hahahaha. You're EXACTLY right Jeff. - Marie [Link]
Crucifixio_Jones Senior Member Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist 4727 Posts 10/03	Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 12:13PM Just another reason why Twitter is fucking stupid. [Link]
stormydaniels Member 171 Posts 3/04	Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 12:14PM As you can see, there was a lot more to the conversation I was having with some fans on twitter and I can see how the one sentence can be taken out of context....That being said, I DO believe porn is dying (or being killed is more like it) along with other forms of entertainment media. I never said people wanting to watch porn would end...it is actually more popular now than ever. Unfortunately it is a double edged sword because although I have way more fans now than before, most are illegally "burning" or downloading my scenes/photos. It is an equation that should not make sense: more fans=less money. I was devastated and completely heartbroken (not to mention PISSED) when a mere five fucking hours after ODS was on shelves, you could find it online in its three hour entirety for FREE on an illegal file sharing site. When studios (or girls who pay to maintain there own sites by funding contents shoots) have their income reduced by theft (piracy) then those companies (girls) will go out of business. It costs the same the produce the product but if you're not seeing the return then you have to start cutting back. People like me who pour their hearts and creative spirit and finances into what they do will of course be bitter. To steal my product upsets me as much as if I walked outside to find my car missing from my driveway. It also makes me very very sad that I have to cut my budgets and cannot necessarily make the quality product that I want. Yes, the poor economy is having an impact on every industry but it is hugely compounded by the piracy. As most of you know, I truly LOVE what I do. Why do you think I spend so much time defending our industry in the media and being a positive example of what a porn star/director can be? And this is something I will continue to do. I also was not lying when I said I was ready for something new and better. I am ready for a bigger challenge and to see how successful I can be in other arenas. I may fail terribly but I cannot sit around complacent while watching my income go down. You guys know I am never happy. You never know how high you can fly if you're afraid to step off the ledge! I always want my creations to be bigger and better than my last attempt. It is also no secret that I have been making advances to expand into some mainstream directing/producing. This is something I have been aiming for and working toward for years. I would hope that my fans would cheer me on and be proud, especially knowing that I am not the type of person that would turn my back or speak ill of an industry that has essentially taught me the skills of directing/producing/writing so that I can branch out. I am not that fickle and I would hope that you guys are not either.... [Link]
stormydaniels Member 171 Posts 3/04	Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 12:28PM ooohhh.. BTW, I have a very full shoot schedule with Wicked in the coming months (as a PERFORMER) so I will not be going anywhere in the immediate future! Wicked has some exciting projects for me this summer and of course, I have Operation Tropical Stormy to promote with tons of appearances after its (june) release. And I hope to always be able to write and direct for Wicked even well into my old age :) [Link]
juha Senior Member 2752 Posts 3/05	Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 2:04PM ^^ Thanks, Stormy for explaining the facts behind the quotation. [Link]
4theheart Senior Member pornologist 3102 Posts 8/01	Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 2:07PM ^ Hi stormy thank you for your reply & to those that also helped to provide context, I must say I pretty much agree with everything that you wrote, and while I am not a regular purchaser of wicked movies(though I can assure you it's not because I'm downloading them instead, lol),I do however wish you luck in your future 'mainstream' pursuits, in which ever form it may take. [Link]
fu_q All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09	Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 3:24PM I would also like to thank Stormy for being such a positive force in the industry, making good movies (I do buy Wicked films b/c I am more of a plot person), and also speaking out against the piracy that goes on. The quality of everything--music, porn, mainstream movies, etc.--will diminish if it continues as it is. Thanks also for your comments, as they will clearly put an end to any and all speculation. Good luck with the mainstream stuff and everything else! [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 10:06PM Draxxx wrote: But it stikes me kinda funny to hear Stormy imply it's time for something "new" in porn when she to my knowledge hasn't tried to do a whole lot of "new" or different things herself. Click to expand I would guess your notion of 'new' probably doesn't extend beyond anal, DAP, etc. I think we're talking about more than that, it's that limited idea of 'creativity' that has stunted modern pornography. I know you're happy with modern generogonzo Draxxx, good for you, but you'll have to excuse others for not agreeing. Your complaining about others complaining is kind of ironic. Edited by - BlackSix on 4/11/2009 10:32:08 PM [Link]

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Savoy

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Posted - Apr 9 2009 : 9:22PM

Stormy Daniels wrote.
Actually the full msg reads, "I am beyond ready to retire from porn...it's a dying industry anyway. Time for something new and better!!!"
I think Ms. Daniels is gung-ho about directing in mainstream and I understand that piracy is killing sales, but the industry is dying? Sex will stop selling?
What do you guys think she's on to? Maybe she'll elaborate for us.

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realtip
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Posted - Apr 9 2009 : 9:42PM

If porn is a dying industry, I think it has more to do with triteness than anything else.

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ma meeshka
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Posted - Apr 9 2009 : 10:30PM

reads to me like someone who is losing at a game and says 'oh, this game sucks anyway! i'm not playing anymore!'

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popdog
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Posted - Apr 9 2009 : 11:05PM

"Screw you guys, I'm going home."

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john lyons
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Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 1:52AM

It is ding and it deserves to be, at least in its current form.
There's next to no artistry these days, little genuine filmmaking talent, and let's face it: it's boring watching the same people fuck each other over and over with absolutely NO raison d'etre. And with the market so flooded with titles, nothing is unque or interesting anymore. It's all permutations of the same thing.
So yes, PORN is a thankfully dying industry. With good luck though, the people who are smart enough to realize this will also be smart enough to devise a way of reviving it into something better, maybe stepping back 30 or so years and learning something from the successes of the past.

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bouges
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Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 1:56AM

I think porn is alive and well. The industry is not without its faults such as lacking imagination too often, but the day sex stops selling is the day the world stops turning.
Edit - posted before seeing John Lyons post... and I am in complete agreement with his view. Why there is not more creativity in porn is just weird, imo.
Edited by - bouges on 4/10/2009 2:04:34 AM

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skronker
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Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 2:37AM

Stormy's winning at the game. My bet is she's just ready for new challenges, and is in a position to pursue them.

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Shagdog
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Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 6:27AM

Because Stormy Daniels is tired of porn she thinks everyone should be too.
People like watching, other people fuck, always have always will.

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lenscap
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Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 7:01AM

Perhaps her bookings to make pornos are down...hence, its a dying industry...

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RandomPrecision
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Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 7:05AM

I don't think the basic concept of porn can die. It's a simple matter of the current crop being out of ideas. Maybe they're resting on their laurels? Maybe they simply have no idea what's stimulating and erotic to the dude sitting in some shack in Nebraska beating off at 2 AM.
But if the industry as it is "dies" something similar will almost certainly take it's place and anyone who is a part of the current industry who is hungry, ambitious and creative enough to adapt will no doubt be right there on top of it.
The biggest problem (As I see it) is that too many people have exploited the truism that "Sex always sells" for too long. So much of what is made is crappy, trivial shit and yet enough people still buy it to finance more.
Edited by - randomprecision on 4/10/2009 7:10:31 AM

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ma meeshka
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Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 7:09AM

maybe. but wouldn't it be more mature to say that instead of 'porn isn't cool anymore anyways'?

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Dubious_Leftovers
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Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 7:52AM

How can porn die? Yes, financially it can go into decline (as any business can), but a certain amount of adaptation is needed (as with the music industry).
Fundamentally, people like sex. They like seeing it and they like partaking in it (if that option's available to them). Speaking as a guy, I like seeing beautiful women naked and carnal. It's been the same since forever and always shall be. I'm not alone in this, so there will always be an audience and people to pay in some way, to see these delights - from the inquisitive kids sneaking a peek at a crumpled-up nudie mag, to the "dirty old man" shuffling about on the periphery.
Factor in the exhibitionists, the swingers or people that get a kick out of being watched in some way - that also gets its onlookers and people willing to get off on it.
I think people who are in the industry or spend a lot of time on message boards (like this) are prone to getting jaded - complaining that there's no imagination or that they've seen it all before. It has all been seen before, but take a break from it, or remember that in some places porn is heavily restricted (or outright banned), then you'll realise how lucky we are to have what we've got.

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fu_q

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Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 8:42AM

If one looks back...say...15 years (when I first started watching porn), there was only a handful of actresses and content relative to today. Porn has been expanding at leaps and bounds over this time--to the point where there are hundreds and hundreds (or more???) of girls in it at any given time, in one form or another...and a ton of content--especially with the internet sites (I'm talking about the legit ones with original content here)...
If anything, porn was such a growing industry, that it has over-expanded and is just simply shrinking down a bit to where it should be via market pressures (including things like the recession, etc.)
The only thing that I can think of that might truly be causing the "death" of the porn industry would be the illegal downloading that goes on...
Otherwise, I think that it's just fine and just settling out like any other industry would in a recession and after over-expansion.
(Just my uneducated guesses)

That said--good luck to Stormy if she chooses to pursue other endeavors. I just hope that she doesn't turn around and bad-mouth the adult industry that got her to where she is too much...(not saying that she has /will -- just that SOME have in the past)
edit: typo

Edited by - fu_q on 4/10/2009 8:45:45 AM

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joneric
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Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 9:33AM

I don't know how to respond to this...it seems that Stormy and her films are quite popular, but I must admit, the big selling Vivid stuff and the like, the features, are not the vids I like to watch.
I like the hot nasty stuff, with anal, ATM, dp's, and gangbangs, and there is enough of that being produced. Would I like to see features that had stories PLUS the nasty stuff (like the Dark Bros. films, which I loved, or Fashionistas)? Oh hell yeah. I would.
Would I like more variety, some plotting, some more creativity in fuck scenarios? Oh yeah.
JE

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jayo

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Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 11:43AM

Pretty much everything I wanted to say.
Funny--I still buy porn, I buy books, I even buy CDs. I just don't buy crap.

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skronker
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Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 2:38PM

Maybe she's right.
I do think Porn Valley Porn is at the end of its cycle. When the DVD thing finally collapses, it's going to be a different landscape. It almost is already.
Edited by - skronker on 4/10/2009 2:40:22 PM

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mariemadison
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Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 3:37PM

I'm on board with most of this, especially the post by John Lyons.
Where 'Porn Valley' went wrong, is the Studio's and Distributor's have been
more or less putting out the same stuff for the last 10 years, to the point that
it's all become interchangeable and frankly, disposable.
Coming from someone who's spent most of her career jumping up and down
and waving my arms to get the attention of the 'mainstream' porn engine running
wild out in 'The Valley', I can tell you that the industry did it to themselves.
They've taken the 'That's what's always worked... so why change?" approach
for a decade now, while overtly ignoring anything too 'strange', 'different',
or even remotely outside of the box of what they've always seen selling.
"Someone Does Something Naughty (Again) On Someone Else Volume 297".
Yeah, I'll pass.
And I'm not alone, which is why you hear so much bitching about the decline
of the porn industry. It's not that people aren't buying adult content, it's just
that they're looking everywhere else, but their local porn shop.
For fucks sake, when the fans aren't buying it anymore because they are just tired
of it all, then we as an industry have missed the boat years ago.
Since I began producing adult films in 2001, I've dealt directly with my fans
and have built a following strictly through keeping my costs down and
listening closely to what they are asking me for - and then delivering it
in the best quality I can.
You can't find my stuff in Video Stores because I've always released on
DVD-R and lately in Downloads and VOD. So none of the stores want
the discs, and pretty much every distributor in The Valley has done their
best to ignore me and mysteriously 'lose' my submissions.
But I'm doing just fine. In fact, I'm now expanding to include a manufacturing
and distribution division that will enable Video Store owners to carry my
stuff.
And before everyone freaks out, I don't want anyone to think I'm talking
about the entire industry. To the contrary, some of the brightest and creative
mind's I've ever come across are working in adult.
But the rest of them have gotten a little lost. Fell into a groove and forgot
that we all work in the entertainment business, rather than the wholesale
manufacturing of movies with close up girl parts.
No, the fans aren't going to stop buying. They haven't yet, anyway.
But they have made it pretty clear to the producers and hopefully the
video stores, that they are a much more discerning audience with many
more options, and a bigger intelligence than we give them credit for.
- Marie Madison

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skronker
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Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 5:26PM

Too many stupid people fucking over other stupid people until they fucked themselves but are too stupid to know it. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
Like so many other industries right now, porn is thrashing around while new media races ahead at a dizzying clip. But as Marie notes, old-fashioned, person-to-person DIY entrepreneurship will always succeed if the goods are there. And social media makes that happen better than anything.

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Dildoslime
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Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 6:01PM

Porn is dying because it has nowhere to go at it's current direction without crossing the decency laws. Look back at porn over the years. Black and white that was tame, 80's porn that got risky, current porn that regularly has anal, a2m, abuse, etc.. Just like the reality shows that got more and more extreme, they can only go so far. Hell, they aren't even eating bugs on tv anymore.

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10000 days
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Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 8:48PM

Forgive my novice google searching skills, but where was this quoted from?

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skronker
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Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 8:49PM

It's actually dialed way back from aLL that. For the most part. The INternet offers far more extreme fare for free.

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BAS
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Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 9:14PM

It seems hard to believe that people will lose interest in watching other people having sex. I'm a fan and have been since I watched my first film, a 16mm loop around 1980 somewhere. There's a great deal of porn in the market now, so much so that I don't have the time and resources to keep up, instead I concentrate on the few actresses who, for reasons having to do with quality of performances and appearance, I consistently enjoy. There are also a few directors, e.g. Mike John, that I follow but a great deal of the product out there doesn't appeal to me and I am so swamped when I wander in the on line media stores that it's hard to know what to buy. Maybe porn will move to more of a micro producers model instead of the studio models. Regardless of the model I'll still want to watch attractive women having sex.

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Crucifixio_Jones
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Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 9:37PM

How can fans/consumers continue to be excited or intrigued about porn currently when the performers themselves seem bored or are admittedly outright "done" with it?

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BAS
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Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 9:53PM

Great Question. I just watch the women who interest me, who seem to enjoy what their doing or at least give a relatively accurate facsimile of that. I have absolutely no connections to the industry but to paraphrase Justice Potter Stewart, I know what I like to watch when I see it, and every year there are a few new women, as well as several longer serving ones, who provide me with a great deal of pleasure and enjoyment through their performances. As for Stormy I haven't seen that much of her work but if she feels its time to retire then she should move on, and God Bless. Someone else will take her place, and after her someone else. As long as there is a way for customers to provide money to women performers for their performances, there will be women performing in pornographic scenarios. What that form may be I don't know.

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Jeff @ IAFD

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Posted - Apr 10 2009 : 10:11PM

I figure the demise of porn can be traced to the couch interview... and the director (not a character) talking from behind the camera. (Stagliano directed and Buttman talked behind the camera -- related, but oh so different.)
IMHO, the porn that gets me going is the porn that has people invested in one another; and that's usually demonstrated thru some sort of set up.
Having a girl say "I'm 19 and I'm here to suck some dick" really isn't a set up. It'd be better if the girl actually looked like she WANTED to suck some dick, and wasn't just there because the rent was due.
The best performers to me are the ones who portray themselves as actually getting lost in the moment.
I don't care if it's all fake and staged; if its convincing, that's good enough for me.
At some point, people decided they didn't need to convince me that the people wanted to have sex with one another for some sort of animalistic urge -- they merely had to go thru the motions -- dick in mouth, dick in ass, dick in pussy, turn her around and jerk off on her face. God forbid she tries to get the guy off, he bats her hand away because -- as we know -- the best handjob in the world comes from your own hand... and when time is money, who has the time to let the girl get him off -- better he gets himself off and we can all go home... or at least move on to the next set up.
After so much of that -- and it is all so interchangable -- the market goes elsewhere.
That's not to say a formula is bad -- the Backseat Bangers series is just about the same every time -- guy picks up a chick, calls her "girlfriend" a lot, coaxes her into the back of the van, sweet talks her into getting naked and fucking the dude on the bench next to her -- but somehow, it's the little details that really make it all work. The slightest of convincing -- "no one's gonna know" -- thrusts the scene so far beyond the Vince Vouyer couch scenes and gauntlets...
This actually doesn't really have anything to do with a dying industry.
I don't think it's dying, just mutating. The shakeout over the end of DVDs will be challenging for a lot of companies, but the big guys will handle it; the smaller studios maybe not -- but they'll be replaced by the Janet Mason's and the Marie Madison's of the world -- long tail providers who can make a living out of as little as 300 guys paying $30 a month to watch them strut their stuff...
Perhaps it's the era of the medium sized porn studio is over...

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Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 12:39AM

I've thought for a while that the porn industry is kind of like the snake eating its own tail. It's really expanded and gotten huge, but at the same time there are so many studios out there that everyone's slice of the pie is getting smaller and smaller. Add the various sources of free content that are out there - youporn, redtube, various torrent sites, etc. - and you can start to see how margins are getting squeezed. I don't think the industry will cease to exist, but it will look a lot different in five years than it does now.

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Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 2:02AM

Same with mainstream.
As I reported recently in Paste, and as noted by many others, there's going to be the blockbusters (Batman) and the super-low-budget indies (I'll pick Ballast, but could be any Sundance/SXSW fave) that reach most of their audience through services like IFC Direct or the Netflix servers.

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BlackSix

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Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 5:01AM

Porn has been creatively dead for at least a decade or more, but there are a few exceptions these days (Jake Malone, Mason, Kink, William H, Eli Cross, Kimberly Kane). Hopefully the internet does wipe out the LA industry as I think some of the worst characteristics of that town have soaked into porn for too long. I think one of the reasons Kink is more interesting is because it is shot outside of L.A. It will be better if porn is produced in more areas than just one city, I'd love to see a return of NY porn in addition to Florida, Europe, etc.

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juha
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Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 5:30AM

I am one of a handful Wicked fans on this board.
I spent lots of Euro on Stormy.
For me this statement is a slap in the face.
This is Stormy's "I will no longer be spreading my legs for the industry anymore".
It saddens me that the most successful adult stars turn their back on the industry as soon as they think they don't need it anymore.
Probably Stormy is right about the industry dying, especially the part of the industry she spent her career in. Companies like DP, JKP and Wicked with their contract girls are the equivalent to the old Hollywood studio system. This studio system died in the 50s and 60s. But it didn't stop the mainstream film production. On the contrary in the aftermath of the studio system decline some of the most fascinating American films were produced.

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Jeff Mullen
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Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 6:17AM

There is really only so many ways you can portray people having sex and no matter how creative somebody gets, others will find it boring and be ready to complain and move on to something else. The main problem I think is an audience that is beginning to get used to jerking off for free and that quite possibly will make the lack of creativity many on this board are referring to find dizzying new heights. As the business evolves, you will see less and less money being put into production by most companies which will really make the interesting, different or wonderfully creative productions few and far between. You won't see many Corruptions, Uploads, or the next 8 million dollar Pirate 3 movie coming out as much as you have in the past. You will see a great majority of the companies in business today struggling mightily and sadly to say I think there most likely might also be a void of new producers willing to invest the necessary capital to create that special or fresh content you are so desiring.
Those of you who think we are merely going through a transition are not seeing the entire picture I don't think. We are no longer like the music industry with a slew of other areas in which to generate major revenue. We have one single product and that is content which is greatly devalued when given away for free and sadly, everwhere you look there is free porn. The younger buyers are no longer buyers as they are expecting to watch for free. It might have seemed like a great thing for fans to be able to see thousands of still photos and video clips for free to bust a nut to, but in truth that is just a silent gun that is killing off the industry. Sure there will always be some new risk-takers that seek to create new movies which is a good thing but the sustainable business motive (although still there from my company X-Play) will be lacking for most. I know that many of you on these boards don't really love the parody/comedies as much as the harder core titles but the rest of America loves a good laugh with their porn and that is why X-Play and www.sitcums.com is thriving. Otherwise the future would look very bleak for us too. There is still life left in the porn industry as more porn is consumed today that ever before. It's just consumed for free.
I love every minute of working in it and we will continue to be as creative as we possibly can in an attempt to bring something that is at least a little different from the same 5 guys fucking the same 5 girls. We're gonna take those same 5 guys, put them in costumes, build a fancy set, pretend to be on a TV show and THEN have them fuck those same 5 girls. I'm just kidding but you get the point. I hope some of you have fun watching our Cosby Show XXX spoof that comes out in early June. At least nobody has done that before.

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dlhardin
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Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 6:17AM

Porn is a dying industry!?!?!? Wow! I never thought I would hear the day..... In reference to piracy hurting sales, take a look at mainstream music or film industry (duh). Porn is really not that different.
However, in reference to Stormy's quote, like any other business, porn must evolve. It is only "dying" as how it has/was seen. What about the future of porn???
The gaming industry is close by, same demographics, etc. But the link is technology. 3D Graphics will be the next evolution. Advances in face recognition software will be able to implement into whole body schemes to where you could have any girl you could imagine doing any porn scene you want! The possibilities are endless, and so there will never will be (in the long term) a "dying" of the porn idustry.

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Draxxx
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Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 8:48AM

I'm indifferent towards if Stormy retires or not. But it stikes me kinda funny to hear Stormy imply it's time for something "new" in porn when she to my knowledge hasn't tried to do a whole lot of "new" or different things herself. As far as I know there's plenty of "new" boundries for Stormy to tackle porn-wise. Maybe I'm wrong but I've always seen Stormy as just another contract girl doing unadventurous scenes.

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aussie_guy77
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Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 8:53AM

As dlhardin says its part of evolution. The world changes everyday, from records to cassettes to cd's. Porn will not die, it will simply change its form to suit consumer demands and desires. I look forward to the future and what it holds, there's no need to be negative.

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Draxxx
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Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 9:12AM

Porn isn't dying by any means. DVD sales are down because more people are seeing it on the net. The reason so many here think it's not as creative or more repetetive is because (1) Many of you are watching too much stuff and no matter how "creative" porn gets if you're watching it all the time it becomes old hat. (2) With free stuff being available many of you are watching more of the free stuff and that isn't always the best stuff. (3) It's obvious some of you are one trick ponies and simply watch the same type of stuff all the time. Things would get better if tried new things from time to time. (4) There's only so many sexual tricks you can do. Some of you talk of features and set up but no matter what they do it all ends up with a intercourse and there isn't much if anything you can do that hasn't been done. Besides, when new elements are tried they're usually met with complaints from some of you.

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Mike_Rach
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Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 9:16AM

Losing creativity? I think we're losing focus of why we watch porn.
It's more than just two hot people having sex, they have to enjoy it, and go at it with some enthusiasm. Then there's some artistic talent of the director & camera man capturing it. When those things are lacking, then the scene is lacking.
Nowadays, it seems creativity has gone to either circus acts, or into plots. You can skip that. I watch porn to watch hot women have sex.
* Not to dismiss the feature market, as it's more woman/couple friendly, a valid niche.

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Draxxx
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Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 9:33AM

Exactly. Porn has always changed with the times and tastes of the current consumer. Porn from the 70s isn't the same as porn from the 80s and that porn isn't the same as the 90s stuff and 90s stuff is different than the stuff of today. Porn has gone from only being able to watch in a theatre to being able to rent them from a store on VHS to or buy the tape if you were willing to spend lots of money. It then became possible to watch it on cable. Then cheap DVDs and internet access became available.
We've had pornstars who were generally not so good looking in the beginning to very beautiful girls. We've had big breast phases, Big Butt phases, "teen" phases, MILF phases, curvy, chubby. Feature girl era, gonzo girl era, "loving" sex era, extreme sex era. Anal, DP, IR, Choking, Bukakki(sp) Gangbangs, gagging, spitting, slapping, blowbangs, lesbian, squirting footplay and lots of stuff I'm probably forgetting.
The only constant throughout the years has been people complaining that the old stuff better.

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Webnasty
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Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 9:50AM

This.

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pringles

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Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 10:01AM

Like 10000 Days, I'm still hoping someone posts a link to this or at least tells us where they read this so any full context can be understood.
Someone who doesn't like Stormy could post this just for the reaction we've seen in this thread. I'm not saying Savoy is doing this, just that nobody should start a thread like this without providing the source.
Stormy posts here. Maybe give her a chance to clarify once we've seen the full context before we start saying she slapped our face?
Just my two cents.

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Crucifixio_Jones
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Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 10:28AM

Yeah, because someone doing a porn parody of something mainstream has never been done before.
*still awaiting the hopefully inevitable Facts of Life spoof*

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fu_q

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Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 10:36AM

Her twitter account appears to be the source:
http://twitter.com/PornStarStormy
"@_________ I am beyond ready to retire from porn...it's a dying industry anyway. Time for something new and better!!!
8:20 AM Apr 8th from web in reply to ________"
I removed the @ and to individual's name.
Also from her twitter account--preceding the above-listed message:
"got confirmation for an important meeting on friday...could mean I will be directing lots more mainstream music videos! Time for change!!!
7:26 AM Apr 8th from web"
This may be the new direction that she will be going in -- I wish her well and all the best.
(There's a lot of interesting stuff on the twitter site, btw--just from a cursory glance, it looks like she wants to continue to write and direct in adult...but I didn't do an exhaustive read-through)

Edited by - fu_q on 4/11/2009 10:41:52 AM

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pringles

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Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 11:11AM

She was also asked afterwards why she said that and her response was:
"@(withheld) Piracy and illegal file sharing are killing sales. It's destroyed the music industry. Even the new Wolverine movie got leaked"
This was available at the time of the original post here.
I can understand how frustrating it would be to put as much effort into her movies as she does for them to stolen. Good for her for having other career options to pursue.
I don't see that she's said or indicated anything derogatory here about the industry. Sounds to me like she's excited about new opportunities.

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Unferth
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Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 11:17AM

Yes it is definitely dying. I for one am sick and tired of watching beautiful naked women pleasuring themselves. Let's all go watch Dancing With The Stars, who's with me?
Edited by - unferth on 4/11/2009 11:17:46 AM

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Derek117
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Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 11:26AM

IMO the Porn Industry is dying in it's current form, mostly for the reasons people have listed above. To sum up, the three main reasons are lack of creativity, too much greed which leads to very poor quality product, and a industry-wide business approach that trashes the very young & often immature female talent, both mentally & physically, so they leave the industry within a year. And prevents other young, sexually progressive women from considering entering the biz.
But I also think porn will have a rebirth from the ashes of the current industry. It will start with new, creative talent behind the camera & in the front offices, the determination of female performers to make the industry a long-term career; and they will demand better treatment, more realistic (vs. "anger fantasy") sex scenes, more storyline & acting, and better product. And lastly, there will not be a porn rebirth until the porn buying fan-base expands. This means more mainstream-friendly, feature product. And less shock, extreme & over-the-top product--that has a small consumer base, that can't financially support the industry.
Sex will never die, but the porn industry has been badly managed over the past ten years.

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mariemadison
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Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 11:46AM

What's this about my tail now?
Hahahaha.
You're EXACTLY right Jeff.
- Marie

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Crucifixio_Jones
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Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 12:13PM

Just another reason why Twitter is fucking stupid.

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stormydaniels
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Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 12:14PM

As you can see, there was a lot more to the conversation I was having with some fans on twitter and I can see how the one sentence can be taken out of context....That being said, I DO believe porn is dying (or being killed is more like it) along with other forms of entertainment media. I never said people wanting to watch porn would end...it is actually more popular now than ever. Unfortunately it is a double edged sword because although I have way more fans now than before, most are illegally "burning" or downloading my scenes/photos. It is an equation that should not make sense: more fans=less money. I was devastated and completely heartbroken (not to mention PISSED) when a mere five fucking hours after ODS was on shelves, you could find it online in its three hour entirety for FREE on an illegal file sharing site. When studios (or girls who pay to maintain there own sites by funding contents shoots) have their income reduced by theft (piracy) then those companies (girls) will go out of business. It costs the same the produce the product but if you're not seeing the return then you have to start cutting back. People like me who pour their hearts and creative spirit and finances into what they do will of course be bitter. To steal my product upsets me as much as if I walked outside to find my car missing from my driveway. It also makes me very very sad that I have to cut my budgets and cannot necessarily make the quality product that I want. Yes, the poor economy is having an impact on every industry but it is hugely compounded by the piracy. As most of you know, I truly LOVE what I do. Why do you think I spend so much time defending our industry in the media and being a positive example of what a porn star/director can be? And this is something I will continue to do.
I also was not lying when I said I was ready for something new and better. I am ready for a bigger challenge and to see how successful I can be in other arenas. I may fail terribly but I cannot sit around complacent while watching my income go down. You guys know I am never happy. You never know how high you can fly if you're afraid to step off the ledge! I always want my creations to be bigger and better than my last attempt. It is also no secret that I have been making advances to expand into some mainstream directing/producing. This is something I have been aiming for and working toward for years. I would hope that my fans would cheer me on and be proud, especially knowing that I am not the type of person that would turn my back or speak ill of an industry that has essentially taught me the skills of directing/producing/writing so that I can branch out. I am not that fickle and I would hope that you guys are not either....

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stormydaniels
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Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 12:28PM

ooohhh.. BTW, I have a very full shoot schedule with Wicked in the coming months (as a PERFORMER) so I will not be going anywhere in the immediate future! Wicked has some exciting projects for me this summer and of course, I have Operation Tropical Stormy to promote with tons of appearances after its (june) release.
And I hope to always be able to write and direct for Wicked even well into my old age :)

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juha
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Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 2:04PM

^^
Thanks, Stormy for explaining the facts behind the quotation.

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4theheart
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Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 2:07PM

^ Hi stormy thank you for your reply & to those that also helped to provide context, I must say I pretty much agree with everything that you wrote, and while I am not a regular purchaser of wicked movies(though I can assure you it's not because I'm downloading them instead, lol),I do however wish you luck in your future 'mainstream' pursuits, in which ever form it may take.

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fu_q

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Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 3:24PM

I would also like to thank Stormy for being such a positive force in the industry, making good movies (I do buy Wicked films b/c I am more of a plot person), and also speaking out against the piracy that goes on. The quality of everything--music, porn, mainstream movies, etc.--will diminish if it continues as it is.
Thanks also for your comments, as they will clearly put an end to any and all speculation.
Good luck with the mainstream stuff and everything else!

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BlackSix

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Posted - Apr 11 2009 : 10:06PM

I would guess your notion of 'new' probably doesn't extend beyond anal, DAP, etc. I think we're talking about more than that, it's that limited idea of 'creativity' that has stunted modern pornography.
I know you're happy with modern generogonzo Draxxx, good for you, but you'll have to excuse others for not agreeing. Your complaining about others complaining is kind of ironic.
Edited by - BlackSix on 4/11/2009 10:32:08 PM

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