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Jacco  All-Star Member "liable to deprave and corrupt" 2673 Posts 5/04 |  Posted - May 10 2009 : 4:37PMJacco [Link] |
| SexyHard Member 673 Posts 6/07 | Posted - May 10 2009 : 5:28PM It's an interesting article, but like quibbles about whether the cost of network capacity is dropping by 50% every nine months, or is following some slower linear slope down, it doesn't undermine my fundamental argument. I quote: What's interesting, from a collecting society's perspective, is that when you have a dramatic increase in both rights holders on one side - more artists and songwriters - and rights users on the other side - an explosion of more digital music start ups - then, regardless of what the Long Tail is or isn't, the case for a common platform grows. This common platform pools rights, reduces transaction costs and prevents fragmentation - and everyone sees benefits. I would also point out that whether you have power law curve or a log normal distribution, the big successes of the internet era have been those companies that have helped connect users with products. Whatever the shape of the tail, consumers need a way to navigate the explosion of content available to us. Companies that have helped us do this have been very successful. [Link] |
| juha Senior Member 2752 Posts 3/05 | Posted - May 10 2009 : 5:58PM do you really think you're smarter than Stormy, Mike, Steph and Jacco? Four successful people who work in porn or do porn-related business, and you want to tell them how it really works?I don't want somebody to navigate me to torrent sites. I just want to go to my video store for the latest Wicked DVD. The original point of this thread was that the director Stormy Daniels is annoyed at people stealing her films. This country has to protect the rights of the originators of intellectual property. And this country will protect the rights of the originators of intellectual property. But I'm afraid the day this happens not much feature porn will be left. Everybody who has a career option beyond porn leaves the industry. The consumer will be left with cheaply produced scenes. Edited by - juha on 5/10/2009 6:18:37 PM [Link] |
| Janitor Retired Porno movies, sexy videos, xxx. Adult DVD Talk at your service. 6409 Posts 11/99 | Posted - May 10 2009 : 6:35PM SexyHard - where do you get that porn is 10% of Google's business? I've bought keywords both for a porn site and mainstream sites. They make it very difficult to advertise a porn site - deactivating ads, cutting out keywords, etc. I really doubt porn is 10% of their business. Show me some proof that billions are made in porn. I've seen a few exaggerated articles claiming that, but no real numbers. [Link] |
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| skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02 | Posted - May 10 2009 : 6:49PM [Link] |
| SexyHard Member 673 Posts 6/07 | Posted - May 10 2009 : 7:05PM I've already referred to an article analyzing web searches, and saying ten percent of them are porn related. I couldn't post a link because it was published in an academic journal, and I had to access it through a library database. If google isn't accepting porn ads, then they are leaving a lot of money on the table. Sorry if the bit about exit strategy was patronizing. [Link] |
| Zaer Deactivated User 249 Posts 10/07 | Posted - May 11 2009 : 3:52AM And Copyright Infringement isn't going to cause the industry to disappear however it will lower profit margins, but then again the tremendous expansion of content produced by smaller producers that's taken place in the past 5-10 years was already doing that, which seems to be ignored in this discussion. Edited by - Zaer on 5/11/2009 4:00:27 AM [Link] |
| melt Pornstar Diplomat The pride of Manchester 3763 Posts 1/09 | Posted - May 11 2009 : 7:42AM I find this thread absolutely fascinating and the vast majority of contributions are from what appears to be highly intelligent individuals. All are in some way concerned about what the future holds in store and of course the producers of material are quite rightly outraged by the fact that people are prepared to steal their products with no shame or any compensation to the producer. There does however appear to be a resistance to the changes that have already taken place. I really dont know that much about the mechanisms of the internet except that from my limited knowledge more and more consumers are using this medium rather than purchasing dvds. To be able to download whatever it is that takes your fancy and place it on a hardrive protected by a password - easily stored in a safe place is probably what makes this form of porn storage appealing. Accepted that the quality at the moment is not always of a high standard but quite a few sites are improving this and that is where the consumers right to choose will play a role. I still believe that producers will need to seriously look at the way they produce and market their products in order to survive not only the pirates but also this severe downturn in the economy. Spare funds are not available for poor quality products and discerning consumers will only support the very best on offer with their ever dwindling supply of cash that can be spent on non-essentials. Edited by - melt on 5/11/2009 8:35:03 AM [Link] |
| SexyHard Member 673 Posts 6/07 | Posted - May 11 2009 : 10:38AM Jensen Huang, a co-founder of NVidia was on ETLS and talked about the importance of "perspective." He preferred the word to "vision", because everyone has a perspective on life, but visionaries are rare. From his perspective, the core of his business was semi-conductor technology, so he felt that every year or two, NVidia should make a graphics card that was twice as powerful as the previous model. He met a lot of resistance for the first five years, including from his customers (IBM, DELL, Gateway, etc.) who didn't want to pay for the new cards. But he felt, "Until the industry is created, there is no common sense about the business, so there is no way they could possibly know." He didn't think he was smarter than Michael Dell. Michael Dell was his customer. Yet he ignored Michael Dell! He thought, We're in a new territory, where Michael Dell's experience isn't useful. From my perspective, I see TV and the internet merging, and the death of the DVD. "Piracy" is a sign of this larger shift in process, but it won't reach maturity until most homes have a remote-operated internet-connected device hooked up to their TV. I believe that creating a tool that helps customers find and watch porn that turns them on, and then coupling this tool to innovative monetization strategies can help reinvent the porn industry. That's my perspective. I could be wrong. I will say this much as a porn consumer: 1) If someone created a good search/recommendation engine, and gave it a nice clean interface, so it didn't look like a typical porn site, I would use it. 2) No online porn company has ever pulled a dollar out of my pocket unless my dick was already hard. Jensen Huang also said, "If you're not re-inventing yourself, you're just slowly dying. Dying, unfortunately, at the rate of Moore's Law." [Link] |
| LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06 | Posted - May 11 2009 : 11:50AM Specifically re: Videobox, Videosz, and other all-you-can-eat content sites What I find interesting with your comments here is the revelation that to the average porn consumer there is no significant difference between the content on sites like Videobox, videosz and others versus content owner sites such as your own. From my perspective, and I'm a subscriber to many different porn websites, the fundamental LACK of a difference between these sites and "original/exclusive" content sites is indicative of the problem with porn in general.....the average toe-dipping consumer doesn't recognize ANY difference at all. THAT is the problem...porn has become so generic, so similar, as to have lost the fundamental rule of product differentiation. For example, by and large, Videobox/Videosz only offer dated content. There is very little content on either site that has been released in the past 2 years. All, or almost all, of the content available there is 2+ years old, released on a DVD in 2007 or earlier. Now compare that to the "mainstream" DVD publishing house websites such as Evil/Elegant Angel, Anarchy Films, etc. In almost no cases will you find first-run DVD content on their sites either. It's all dated...perhaps not 2-3 years old, but certainly not first-run stuff. So where is the difference between "aggregator" and "original" content sites? There is none, at least not to the average consumer. Other than price and breadth of selection, of course. I have literally terabytes of content gleaned from my various pornsite subscriptions. Technically, the quality is all about the same. What differentiates the content for me is that some of it is simply digital content that originated from DVD-releases. Other content (Kink.com, FTVGirls.com, Twistys, GiveMePink for example) was never designed for DVD release. And maybe it's just a personal bias, but the stuff that was never intended for DVD release seems FAR more valuable to me than the stuff that was once released on a DVD. The content FEELS exclusive. It LOOKS exclusive. I'm seeing something that, proportionately speaking, relatively few porn fans have or will see. To me the "made for DVD release" content is the part of the porn industry that is dying. It is made for mass market appeal. I'll pay something for it...$15 a month for porn DVD's that are 2+ years old for example. That is the going sub rate for Videobox BTW. But I won't pay $15 a DVD for that same content. It's just too repetitive and too mass-market to be of any value to me. There is just nothing that "special" out there today that didn't exist 2+ years ago. Same blondes. Same brunettes. Same boob jobs. Same sex acts. Same shit...different day. [Link] |
| mrbluelouboyle All-Star Member mrbluelouboyle and Alexis Tae 1334 Posts 12/03 | Posted - May 11 2009 : 5:10PM I don't know if it's possible for the porn companies to try to duplicate what the music business is doing, or if it's even worth adding the extras with online purchases. I'm sure alot of fans would want a shirt/calender/poster/keychain etc. Something that a you can't get with a pirated movie online. Anything to stop the financial bleeding. Just my two cents. [Link] |
| Zen Master 2007 Member 356 Posts 3/07 | Posted - May 11 2009 : 6:14PM In all honesty, I think the only way to stop the "financial bleeding" within our beloved porn industry is for some forward-thinking group of individuals to invent a proprietary content delivery method that provides an unparalleled "user experience" (completely independent of and unconnected to the internet), then develop, market and license this proprietary technology as aggressively as mainstream media has done with VHS cassettes (over beta), DVD and Blu-Ray (over HD-DVD). Not entirely outside of the realm of imagination (think of the "wire-tripping" sequences in Kathryn Bigelow's STRANGE DAYS), but it would likely require millions spent in research and development to make the process and technology inherently "pirate unfriendly," but user friendly enough for the average porn-hound to intensify their concentration on the "business at hand." - Zen [Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08 | Posted - May 11 2009 : 6:32PM (By 'decent', I mean much better than in private chats, which essentially pay no thought at all to lighting or camera work.) [Link] |
| SexyHard Member 673 Posts 6/07 | Posted - May 11 2009 : 8:36PM [Link] |
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| Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01 | Posted - May 12 2009 : 1:04AM [Link] |
| juha Senior Member 2752 Posts 3/05 | Posted - May 12 2009 : 3:49AM But how can the porn industry protect the films that are produced? [Link] |
| Zaer Deactivated User 249 Posts 10/07 | Posted - May 12 2009 : 5:05AM You can no more make digital content uncopyable than you can make water not wet. Digital Content is supposed to be copyable not uncopyable. And the sooner content producers work with the intrinsic nature of digital content instead of against it, wasting millions in the process, the better. And you wouldn't be able to keep such content off the internet with a proprietary content delivery method, because the content would be converted and end up on the net anyway. Because the fact of the matter is that anything that can be digitized will end up on the net eventually. That's just how it is. [Link] |
| juha Senior Member 2752 Posts 3/05 | Posted - May 12 2009 : 5:30AM But we all spend lots of money to prevent this from happening. And we don't consider this wasting. Nobody is stealing my TV because the odds are high that he gets caught by the police. Raising the odds to get caught for illegal filesharing won't stop filesharing completely. But I'm sure we can achieve a substantial decrease. Edited by - juha on 5/12/2009 5:31:49 AM [Link] |
| Zen Master 2007 Member 356 Posts 3/07 | Posted - May 12 2009 : 8:10AM Though stepping backward in time, it was as recent as the 1980's that any person who wanted to watch pornographic films outside of a conventional theater or "semi-private" bookstore projection booth (in Europe and the US) had to own an 8mm projector, which while being even more frustrating and user challenging than the most complicated VCR, constituted enough of the adult retail sales market that all of the major companies of the day produced and distributed 8mm loops to XXX retail outlets. Within a very short period of time, premium-cost consumer availability of Sony's Betamax (followed by the VHS format and machinery) coupled with an initially narrow field of feature-length adult offerings on videocassette made the 8mm loop portion of the standing business model obsolete. All of this to say, the "billion dollar question" is not whether unauthorized digital content can be kept off of the internet, but what is the content delivery method that will present itself in months or years ahead, providing a unique, sensual experience that cannot be duplicated by internet video streaming or a straight-forward media file download? There are companies currently in operation who possess the vision to embark upon such an entrepreneurial adventure (no need to weigh in - as regulars on this board you know who you are), but it can be difficult for the most savvy businessperson to survey the "big picture" while wrestling in the eye of a devastating financial hurricane. You are correct in your opinion that ALL adult content will eventually appear in some form over the internet, partially out of piracy, and partly out of most content producers (from Adam & Eve to Zane) cross-promoting all of their wares across as many media formats and publishing platforms that make business sense in order to cement their market presence and procure an increased percentage of consumer expenditures specific to the realm of adult entertainment. - Zen [Link] |
| Mike Quasar Zero Tolerance Reluctant pornographer 1765 Posts 7/01 | Posted - May 12 2009 : 10:54AM [Link] |
| LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06 | Posted - May 12 2009 : 12:11PM I think the future of porn lies in content-on-demand similar to what you are talking about here, but the majority of it being made up of pre-recorded clips/scenes that can be searched/indexed/retrieved via a very intelligent search engine. Today, most searches are tag-based. You want redheads....fine, search for redheads. But you want redheads with matching pubic hair who are engaged in oral sex while wearing a maids's costume with a black corset, boobs exposed (C-cup or larger, hold the chest freckles)....well good luck searching for THAT. Such scenes exist, of course, but you'll have a helluva time searching for them given the primitive nature of tag-based search engines. These are only as good as the tags that are assigned to the scenes. And to get THAT kind of detailed search will require a heavy community involvement of viewer-generated tag/search criteria. Then you take these scenes, heavily tagged 8-ways to Tuesday, and wrap them into an extremely easy to use custom scene generator. Give users a choice of a variety of formats to view right there, download to their PC, download to their mobile device, download to their Tivo-type device, etc. Better yet, find a way to build an iTunes style of interface for Mac/Windows that lets the user catalog their collection and easily synch it up with other connected devices on their own network (DNLA standards make this simple and already built-in for most video game consoles). And put a reasonable (by mainstream content standards) pricing model around them....$3 per scene or so. Now you've got the worlds' porn library at your disposal, with an easy on-ramp for the average porn consumer to go grab just what they want, when they want, at a price they want. "But we already have VOD today and it's not really working!" Sure it doesn't work that well....with the average VOD-to-own model at about $20 per DVD release. And even the scene VOD purveyors are pricing the DRM-protected scenes at damn near the cost of a bargain bin porn DVD. VOD isn't working that well (although by all accounts I've seen...it _IS_ working as a profitable model) because the fundamental model STILL tries to protect the DVD channel. DVD is seen by porn as the mainstay and all the digital outlets for porn are seen by the DVD producers as "premium add-ons" or "also ran" affairs. Mainstream hollywood still suffers from this and the record industry did also for many years. Only recently have you seen the record industry allowing for simultaneous releases in both digital and pressed-CD format. Look at the success of Amazon with the Kindle. I need to go find the link but they have already determined that the average Kindle reader buys 3X the number of eBooks from Amazon as they did BEFORE they bought their Kindle. Amazon knows this as most kindle users are long-time Amazon customers so they retained the same user accounts. And in the same article, interestingly enough, Kindle iPhone users bought almost twice the books of Kindle-hardware-only users. Accessibility of the content is a big factor there, but so is the instant-gratification. And c'mon...porn collectors, book collectors and music collectors all share one thing in common....they are COLLECTORS. They may be consumers in the "traditional" sense in that they buy their content from traditional sources using traditional transactions. But if you appeal to their manic impulse behaviors, they will change their behaviors. This has been proven in other content arena's and the only thing preventing it from happening in porn is a lack of trying. Now take what I've said above and plug in your "private cam chats" model. You search for what you want and it doesn't EXIST yet? Or maybe it does but just NOT exactly the way you want. So instead, your search engine returns a list of redheaded models who, for a small price, would LOVE to make your video of choice cum true.......NOW you've got a distribution engine, willing (and horny) consumer matched to a willing and technologically ready provider AND a transaction model ready to go. That, IMHO, is the future of porn. Well, in my dreams at any rate. The content is very important, no doubt. But porn has LOTS of content out there ready to go. What's missing is the distribution vehicle and accessibility layers. All it takes is some investment to get us there. [Link] |
| LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06 | Posted - May 12 2009 : 12:31PM In a market where all products are identical, or near enough to represent no differentiation to the consumer, you can only differentiate yourself as a business along three dimensions: Price, Selection or Accessibility The gallon of milk you buy at the Safeway is no different than that you buy at the corner convenience store. The differentiation there is found in Accessibility. It's easier (not always cheaper) to grab that gallon of milk at the corner store in a 2 min trip than to haul alllllll the way back to last aisle of the cavernous Safeway to do the same thing. There IS a reason why milk and bread are in the BACK of the store in the first place....retailers know all about Accessibility and how it impacts your shopping behaviors as well. That's also how they tempt you over to the Selection side, but I digress. I am very outspoken against illegal content sharing, sometimes to my own detriment. I pay for what I consume and I pay a lot for it. But in full admission of my baser self, I do NOT pay for it out of a sense of what is right versus wrong. I do so because I am very selective in my porn tastes and refuse to pay for a full DVD when all I want is a single scene. I don't keep DVD's around that often as everything I purchase is destined to end up on my digital home media server and to buy it already in digital format saves me time. So for me, it's an Accessibility thing. The problem with this metaphor is that there is far too much concern over the piracy issue as it relates to best practices in retailing porn.....the focus is on those who are ALREADY not paying for the stuff. Every retailer knows that your absolute best way to generate more sales is to somehow persuade your CURRENT customers to spend MORE with you rather than trying to recruit NEW customers to spend the SAME. This is why loyalty and customer frequency incentive programs are all the rage in travel, retailing, dining and other industries. Marketing geeks get this....they find ways to manipulate the current customers to spend more. Sometimes, these very programs might attract new customers who aren't getting that treatment at their current business of choice. But even THESE "new" customers are simply someone elses' PAYING customers. The billion dollar question is how to take the consumers who are spending that billion dollars and get them to spend $1.5 billion dollars next year. Focus on your customer, not on the segment of the population that isn't paying for shit in the first place. You already aren't making any money off of them.....but maybe if your top-line spenders spend even more, it won't matter quite as much. [Link] |
| BigBobxxx Senior Member 2681 Posts 5/04 | Posted - May 12 2009 : 1:59PM Anecdotal evidence would suggest these are younger, tech-savvy people who, as Quasarman put it, "the next generation will never pay for porn; ever." Your premise of getting your best customers to spend more is a sound idea. However, as these customers die, age and/or move away from porn, they are not being replaced. I know this sounds ridiculous to those who love porn and value quality, but, if I were going to try and reach the younger generation and turn them into porn consumers, I'd find some way to tie it to their fucking cell-phones. And, I'd give them a few free tastes -- just like the drug dealers do. I'd give every college student 30 free minutes a month to my pay sites (you tell me they won't pay for some content when they find a girl they just have to see more of, and their free minutes just ran out). The important point is that they're visiting my site. If you can't get them to visit your site, you can never turn them into a customer. Ever. And, how do we get them to our sites in the first place?... their goddamn cell-phones, that's how. And, we better make the sites incredibly good. If they're not going to be of an Apple iTunes quality experience, don't waste your time. [Link] |
| Zaer Deactivated User 249 Posts 10/07 | Posted - May 12 2009 : 3:51PM As for a TV, it's a physical object and thus if someone takes it from someone else without permission, it's obvious to virtually all that that's theft, but if someone has a matter replicator machine and makes a copy of it, is it theft? And does the owner care? Not likely in both cases, because one still has their tv. However the TV manufacturer might care, because in their opinion the nebulous concept of "potential profit" becomes an issue. Because they would argue that the person copying the TV deprived them of "potential profit," because they assume, erroneously though, that every person that copies their tv's was going to purchase one if they hadn't had the opportunity to copy it. But that's flawed reasoning, even when only being cursorily examined. Edited by - Zaer on 5/12/2009 3:52:54 PM [Link] |
| prototype Member Bad Taste 113 Posts 6/06 | Posted - May 16 2009 : 1:29PM I think me and oscar agree this thread needs to be disposed of.  zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...........................................................Edited by - LexRated on 5/16/2009 2:29:09 PM [Link] |
| Mr. Sausage Deactivated User 330 Posts 11/06 | Posted - Jul 9 2009 : 4:20AM [Link] |
| mbuck Member 75 Posts 2/08 | Posted - Jul 9 2009 : 10:30AM [Link] |
| stormydaniels Member 171 Posts 3/04 | Posted - Jul 9 2009 : 10:56AM [Link] |
| BigBobxxx Senior Member 2681 Posts 5/04 | Posted - Jul 9 2009 : 11:17AM [Link] |
| juha Senior Member 2752 Posts 3/05 | Posted - Jul 9 2009 : 11:56AM She's the most popular contract girl currently. And her popularity hasn't peaked yet. Not everybody is interested in barely legal girlies. In fact the majority wants to see true women. [Link] |
| Mr. Sausage Deactivated User 330 Posts 11/06 | Posted - Jul 9 2009 : 12:24PM It was nothing personal. It seemed from your comments you were coming against the industry and your fans that pay your bills. That is all. [Link] |
| Drafty New Member Perfect 10 in 2010 3 Posts 7/09 | Posted - Jul 9 2009 : 11:28PM And as far as job security is concerned, Miss Daniels is only getting sexier with age. [Link] |
| Mr. Sausage Deactivated User 330 Posts 11/06 | Posted - Jul 10 2009 : 12:23AM You think one way and some others think differently. If the quality and content are good enough people will buy the product or should. If not I will agree they are leeches. But, what about out-of-print and obscure movies of any type? Sometimes free downloads are a good thing. [Link] |
| Rick James Jr Deactivated User 72 Posts 7/09 | Posted - Jul 10 2009 : 9:34AM thats why 2/3rds of the DVD's you now see in the new and soon to be released section of DVD porn e-tailers are comps of previously released material.what suprises me is that studios are now putting scenes on comps that were just released to DVD originally just a month earlier. this never used to happen, scenes were usually 2 or more years old before ending up on a comp. Porn probably peaked in 06-07. I also think it will be long long time before the number of porn shoots will ever come close to the amout shot over the last several years. [Link] |
| DRACO Member 31 Posts 4/09 | Posted - Jul 10 2009 : 2:37PM - Zen [/quote] Won't work. You can no more make digital content uncopyable than you can make water not wet. Digital Content is supposed to be copyable not uncopyable. And the sooner content producers work with the intrinsic nature of digital content instead of against it, wasting millions in the process, the better. And you wouldn't be able to keep such content off the internet with a proprietary content delivery method, because the content would be converted and end up on the net anyway. Because the fact of the matter is that anything that can be digitized will end up on the net eventually. That's just how it is. [/quote] You can make water so hard and so cold that it will burn you! So there might be hope yet! This seems like its going to be a Fire and Ice war! [Link] |
| Mr. Sausage Deactivated User 330 Posts 11/06 | Posted - Jul 10 2009 : 2:58PM What happens when the video is out-of-print and obscure, or the stars all die? Why should anyone make money off someone else's work indefinitely? [Link] |
| Carnoscenti Member 23 Posts 7/09 | Posted - Jul 10 2009 : 3:52PM [Link] |
| Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Jul 10 2009 : 4:13PM [Link] |
| bouges Member 101 Posts 11/08 | Posted - Jul 10 2009 : 6:37PM [Link] |
| Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Jul 11 2009 : 1:45AM Why is it that if something is out of print you feel you have the right to just get it for free? Why is it that if something is obsure you feel you have the right to get it for free? [Link] |
| DRACO Member 31 Posts 4/09 | Posted - Jul 11 2009 : 3:02AM Lets see what you come up with if I set something on fire  lolI was kidding about it being a Fire and Ice War. No Porn Stars need to die! [Link] |
| shank Member 119 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Jul 11 2009 : 4:34AM [Link] |
| Pinkwater4110 Member 81 Posts 5/07 | Posted - Jul 11 2009 : 5:08AM The porn industry is as popular as ever, everyone is just about doing porn in some way; whether you're sexing in it, producing it, watching it, buying, writing about it, etc., and that's part of the problem. Porn is so mainstream now that it's somewhat going out of style, NOT LITERALLY (for you people that can't comprehend), just that it's not taboo anymore for most people. In the early 90's Porn wasn't as mainstream, only a few would dare participate in it, it was thought of as rebelious & edgy, the "new cool," there was only a handful of drop-dead-gorgeous women, nowadays, there are so many good looking women doing porn. Rhetorical question, in the early 90's, how many 18-19 year old babes were doing Porn, how many interracial couples were getting it on, how much anal did you see? The answer to all, not many, not many, not a lot. Today, the industry is flooded with teenage babes, interracial sex is being filmed all the time, and anal is everywhere. All of this is great for the consumer, when you can pretty much find an overdose of whatever you want on the store shelves, there are high school girls across the land waiting to graduate so they can jump into Porn as a career, but this also makes the quality watered down. For every cute female that enters the business, there's probably 5 guys that start directing their own movies, but don't know the first thing about filming sex, 5 studios that produce & distribute this junk, 5 lazy internet sites selling sex, and that cute female that just graduated high school who is now sexing on camera, turns out she's not that good at sexing on camera in the first place. But she's cute so she'll hang around the biz for awhile, make about 60 scenes, then do some girl/girl, then retire at 22, move down to San Diego and go back to school to get her Veterinarian license. Porn is not dying, it's just that everyone is doing it, which really makes it crowded--and when everyone is talking at the same time, it's hard to hear the quality in the room(industry). And I'm an outsider, I can just imagine how Stormy feels being an insider--I see why see says the "the porn industry is dying." [Link] |
| Prophit Member 378 Posts 1/07 | Posted - Jul 11 2009 : 8:40AM [Link] |
| Rick James Jr Deactivated User 72 Posts 7/09 | Posted - Jul 11 2009 : 9:36AM [Link] |
| Prophit Member 378 Posts 1/07 | Posted - Jul 11 2009 : 10:08AM [Link] |
| Zaer Deactivated User 249 Posts 10/07 | Posted - Jul 11 2009 : 10:32AM But of course the facts indicate that the industry isn't going anywhere, anymore than the movie and music industries are going away because of their sales dropping. [Link] |
| mbuck Member 75 Posts 2/08 | Posted - Jul 11 2009 : 11:27AM Someone on another forum did their homework: Wow, the prices are falling for pussy The 300 Club Pornstars on the radar at $500 or less. Pornstars "escorting" names, rates and contact info. deleted. Please see following post. -- BigBobxxx Edited by - BigBobxxx on 7/11/2009 12:17:26 PM [Link] |
| BigBobxxx Senior Member 2681 Posts 5/04 | Posted - Jul 11 2009 : 12:13PM Saying that pornstars earn a living by escorting, is a valid observation and opinion. HOWEVER, listing girls, their rates and contact info. has NOTHING to do with this topic. PLEASE DO NOT CONTINUE IN THIS DIRECTION! [Link] |
| ninja1 Senior Member 2939 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Jul 11 2009 : 1:19PM [Link] |
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