They have an update every day be it photograph or video. They do primarily solo and G/G, though solo is the more numerous in terms of updates. Each scene, G/G ones, are between high 30-ish to just under a full 60 minutes long, normally falling into the mid 40 minutes or so. The solo scenes tend to be about 15-20ish minutes long. I wouldn't say that it's story-based though there is often a light one in place, or some conversation/dialog that takes place (I love the ones that are them simply talking to or about one another as opposed to a contrived storyline, as a generality in G/G not specific to these sites).
For me, and on the topic of sex, that's one of the key things that I enjoy about their content - it is not frantic, it is not rushed, it is not filled with shrieking performative pornstar bullshit, no keening/wailing/mewling and the like. It sounds, more often than not, much more realistic than most of the G/G offerings out there. There is fingering, yes, and there is a scene that at the end Aislin gives a full on dissertation regarding fingering and how to do it, from a woman and it was delightful. They take their time, they build up often to the sex. The recent scene with Evelin and Nancy - slow and sensual, with deliberate intention, taking it's time with foreplay and leading up to the actual acts of sex. You will find rimming, you'll find some toy use (WG/UF has told us that the toys used are the girls choice, as in the one to be used shapes/sizes/type/etc) but I'd say there is less of it than more of it. Tribbing is rare and I LOVE that. Tribbing I feel is absolutely porno-drivel, nonsensical as presented in nearly every way, every time and I love that I can tune into their content and generally not be assaulted with that.
They have excellent quality film, your choice of 30fps or 60fps, in up to 4k and offering many now in 6k HEVC (getting a file size only marginally larger than 1080p 60fps size though much higher quality). Their photo sets are also offered in similar high quality. Their camera work is rock solid - it's not herky or jerky, it doesn't wobble all over, the few times they do go into handheld it's also super steady. That's something I love, I cannot stand all the shaky camerawork all over in porn nor the overuse of handcams. I love that they allow us to fully bask in the delights of the women's full bodies, giving us long lasting views of them. Close-up fans are not left out as they offer some of the best closeups in the business (the only competition in this regard for closeup work is Slayed) and their meaningful in their length, before coming back out to the full body views. They also have a signature where they give us the ladies eyes, having them grace the camera (our eyes) as they eat pussy or masturbate and it's super hot, always getting great feedback from the members. They also have a signature where they give you a medium length sort of shot, a near closeup, that's just delightful in it's sort of "lewdness" - like a view of one woman from behind while she's in doggy position, eating pussy, and giving us that unadulterated view for a handful of seconds before coming back out - all in rock solid and steady camerawork.
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Favorite new scenes released in the last week?
The latest Ultrafilms scene was alright, and Viv was ok but the rest of my subscribed sites were down bad.
^^Do they have the pull to get most of the known Euro Performers on the site, or do they tend to use the same few women? Would love see a number of ladies in their scenes.
^ Who are you wanting to see? For me I enjoy the casting as they have some they bring back regurlarly (Nancy Ace or Hayli Sanders) as well as bringing in really promising new talent (Alissa Foxy, Sonya Blaze, Freya Mayer, Emily Mayers, Elizabeth T, Sherice among others). The one thing I would not want to see is an onslaught of Legal Porno/Anal Vids veterans plaguing the site which is something I would dread to see and would be a demerit to both the worth of my membership as well as the quality of their content (though they still work with some, you'll see Rebecca Volpetti there for instance). Over the years though it seems they've brought in a who's who of performers, from Gina Gerson to Aislin to Nancy; they've got current VMG girls on there like Sia, Lottie Magne, Jia LIssa, Lika Star, Stacy Cruz. If you're looking for mature models I think you're better off at VivThomas (one of the reasons I'm not there - their bent on either mature/older models or newbies already put through the LP grinder). For me, I'm a big fan of the WG/UF casting and pull (minus the occasional LP girls).
^love wow girls & ultra and generally feel that european girls > americans by a mile when it comes to who I want to watch these days, it's not close. but man. was watching older-time movies last night from 10+ years ago and was so struck but how sexy american porn girls are versus everyone else. Europe has always proffered babes of incredible prettiness, for pure beauty they're ahead, but when it comes to sexy talk and sexy enthusiasm and sexy star power the american women are just in another league. maybe it's a language thing but I don't think so, there just seems to be something in the culture that generates a hotter porn star. or used to be anyway :(
Likely UltraFilms/WowGirls operation pays decently in helping them get the more attractive Euro talent. Definitely helps them that their content falls in the vanilla area of the porn spectrum.
One of my biggest pet peeves is when fans try to tell performers what chemistry is in their scenes. I just saw on twitter some guy tell Natasha Nice how in a Brazzers scene with Abigaiil Morris and Skylar Snow that Abigaiil didnt belong in the scene bc she messed everything up. Then Natasha responded by saying he was tripping. How Abigaiil was pulling her and Skylar to the side making out off camera the whole time. Then the guy responded by saying how he just doesnt like threesomes and feel like since Abigaiil is new she isnt on Natasha level yet. I feel like thats irrelevant too. Case in point, I remember when I first saw Whitney Wright when she was new. She did multiple scenes with Angela White right out of the gate. She was fantastic and never once did I ever come away thinking that Whitney was new and thus she isnt on Angela level yet. Btw Skylar also responded how great the threesome was and how hot Abigaiil is. Plus she said she has the guy blocked so she dont know what he said lol.
I get that we have things we like and things we dont like. Im not really even a fan on Brazzers but these performers know when they have chemistry with someone or not. Just like this one time this guy suggested how Kenna James wasnt into girls. That led to Kenzie Reeves responding how in her scene with Kenna for AHL "Romantic Charades" how even when the camera stopped rolling after the scene they were still going at it. She knows for a fact that Kenna loves girls. Again just a pet peeve of mine. I felt like the guy shouldve never responded to the tweet bc he dont like threesomes and apparently he wasnt high on Abigaiil since she is new. But to say she messed up the scene idk I just think thats going too far and Im glad Natasha set him straight lol.
I want to talk about AdultTime bc Im seeing recently people are talking about it on here. I love the fact they have so many different options. I wouldnt say like someone said on here that Im weaving through alot of crap to find a good scene. I think there are plenty good scenes Im seeing. I know this is a lesbian thread but I love the fact that AdultTime has quality trans content as well. But sticking with lesbian I think they produce alot of good content. WeLikeGirls, True Lesbian, and Im even intrigued by Modern-Day Sins. Not to mention in the past when they were doing Girlcore and I wish they brought back along with Lesbian Revenge. Also the mini series they still do for Girlsway. I wish they would continue mini series for WebYoung and MommysGirl. They really dont have much mini series for AllGirlMassage. Then they used to do alot of features for Girlsway they dont do anymore. But I think there is alot of quality stuff.
Is it what it used to be? No. I think the reason is bc alot of the performers are no longer available. When I think of back in the day I think of Cherie DeVille, Abigail Mac, Angela White, Abella Danger, Keisha Grey, Kristen Scott, Shyla Jennings, Sara Luvv, Bree Daniels, Elexis Monroe like the list goes on and on. Those performers arent available to be used for AdultTime. There are still good ones I would like to think like Kenna James, Spencer Bradley, Alex Coal, Serene Siren, Syren De Mer, Karla Kush to name a few. Even they could try to bring back Elexis Monroe who wants to still shoot. Id love for them to reach out to Magdalene St. Michaels whom never shot for AdultTime. Reach back out to Julia Ann to see if she would be interested in shooting again for Girlsway. She did a few scenes back in the day. But I do think its better than what is being said but its definitely not like it was back then. I do think them trying new things I really like. I know Im in the few who loves the fact they are incorporating trans into their scenes. Thats just my opinion on how I feel about AdultTime. I like it. I would say though that AllHerLuv is the best G/G site for me but AdultTime would be second.
^Personally, I think that when Bree Mills' focus shifted to other genres and creating AdultTime and the whole StillsByAlan scandal leading to him leaving, were the major factors that resulted in the decline in the quality of content on GirlsWay. Not to mention, they stopped investing in their features, eliminated Girl of The Month, etc.
But in regards to the other topic, there is a small but vocal contingent of G/G "fans" who equate not seeing what they want = bad. And they seem to get a perverse kick out of harassing performers about it on social media, and on here too before eventually getting banned.
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I think AHL is tops as well. Sometimes I wish there was more than one scene per week, as this week's release is a waste, but scenes are definitely of a high quality at a higher rate than the other sites, speaking specifically about the American sites. Adulttime is disappointing specifically because they can put out really awesome scenes every blue moon and when it's good it's really good, but it's often stupid, and sex in most scenes is a distant afterthought to extremely dumb antics.
I like how seriously AHL presents content. I feel like much of the time, Adulttime wants to show how dumb and fake lesbian sex is. I know that's really a function of them targeting their audience but it still grinds the gears lol It's like an athlete intentionally scoring 10 points when they could average 25 if they played hard all the time.
^^ I agree with you on why the Girlsway genre started to decline. Plus when Stills By Alan was there he used certain girls more than when he wasnt there. One of those girls was Abella Danger. And it always made me think as to why Abella wasnt a part of the We Like Girls project before she signed with MindGeek? Her and Keisha Grey wouldve been great. But again when Stills By Alan left there were girls that normally would be regulars for content wasnt anymore. We dont even see Judy Jolie do content for Girlsway anymore. I know she is dating Stills By Alan so that has to be the reason she isnt shooting anywhere but SheSeducedMe or any other project he is directing. But I agree, there arent any more features for Girlsway. I used to like the cross over stuff too. Like Reena Sky scene with Melissa Moore where Melissa was preparing for her role for the feature "Vampires" or Jelena Jensen doing a scene with Dana DeArmond and they used what Jelena did in the feature "Vampires" in the scene with Dana. Like they dont do that anymore in the Girlsway scenes.
I agree. And those certain "fans" should get banned and blocked bc its just not going to sit well at all. Its ok not to like something even if its with your fav performer but to publicly confront them about it is imo very disrespectful.
^When it comes to AHL, I do monthly subs but I got caught up with all their scenes so I decided to skip a month or two and waiting till they release alot of scenes so when I do sub again Ill have plenty scenes to download and watch. I dont hate the fact that they release once a week bc as I say all the time I like quality over quantity. AHL produces quantity. And AHL is proof that they evolve. I didnt think AHL back then was as great as it is right now. It got alot better over time.
Thats a nice way of putting how you feel about AdultTime lol. I feel like AdultTime tries alot of new things and sometimes when you try new things it can fail. As I said before, I like We Like Girls, True Lesbian, and even Modern-Day Sins. The scene with Alex Coal, Anny Aurora, and Spencer Bradley was really really good. I wish AdultTime would have another season of Girlcore. I know Lesbian Revenge was Whitney Wright creation and as far as I know she isnt directing right now especially for AdultTime. She was directing for AHL. But I think Bree need to go back to the basics with what made Girlsway great at one point. She can still try new things and see if it works.
At the risk of alienating the 3 or 4 people on this thread let me just bring up a couple of topics completely unrelated to the preceding discussion.
First, may I just say how much I enjoy Charlotte Stokely's dramatic facial expressions? Love her.
On Riley Reid: "Of course, I sat on her face" Imitating Aidra Fox: "Oh Charlotte, best sex ever!" Aidra is not impressed. Dr. Stokely trying to convince Whitney Wright to take off her shirt: "Because it's... science."
Second, apologies if this has been brought up before, but here you can listen to a podcast with Porno Dan and Talia Mint on lesbian porn released about a year ago . Porno Dan is an American (I assume) male performer/director who has been in the industry for a long time and apparently now lives in Europe (judging form the conversation). Talia, if you don't know, is an Ukraine performer who has appeared in many Viv Thomas productions, among others. As you may expect, their discussion mostly focuses on Europe, not US. The real discussion starts at around 17th minute. They don't talk about what you may think: what makes lesbian porn good, who makes good lesbian porn, who the best performers are, etc. However, here are some topics they do talk about.
1. Talia on scissoring: it's a real thing, but it's not two women thrusting against each other; one person needs to be the dominant one -- I wholeheartedly agree (see the screen caps between Jillian and Karla as an example).
2. Talia on the reality of working with girls who don't want to be with girls -- it's as ugly as you imagine.
3. Porno Dan and Talia discuss the perhaps cultural, perhaps geographical differences in terms of which countries' girls are more likely to be into girls.
4. Talia on losing some of her male fans after she started doing b/g, who felt she betrayed them. It's interesting to listen to her interpretations of this.
5. Talia and Porno Dan disagree on the merit of douching.
6. On toys: Porno Dan on Aiden Ashley showing no mercy to new girls, and showing his age when he talks about how when he directs scenes he always uses toys.
On the very last point, I must admit I was a little surprised when I heard it. In this day and age, even if I want to find toy filled g/g porn, where would I go? Amidst all the discussion of essentially toy free sites, is there really a parallel universe of g/g content out there that still never left the late 1990s/early 2000s era?
^Not surprised about point 4, it's pretty common, and has been for long time. But the girls usually gain more fans than they lose and significant amount of their fanbases are just waiting for them to crossover.
But nowadays there really aren't any G/G only performers around. If they are not retired, then they are G/G only for studio productions and do B/G on their Onlyfans or personal sites.
All the talk about how girlsway declined in quality after they fired Stills by Alan fails to mention how the projects he has done since then haven't been all that great as well. Girlgirl.com was short lived for whatever reason, sheseducedme was supposed to be this grand old return to taboo, but wasn't because as it turns out cc companies make the rules. And now there's lesbiansexaulity, which I have no idea how it differentiates itself from the other site.
Making good porn isn't easy, maybe girlsway was just a fluke. At least we got some good porn out of it.
Who knows what the future holds. Jules Jordan posted on here about a new GG site, which was a couple of months ago, and since then nothing has materialised.
^The implication wasn't that StillsbyAlan was the reason GirlsWay was good, it was that the combination of Bree Mills and SBA were key to the original success of GirlsWay, among other things.
Till this day, no company has put forth the a similar amount of effort of making good G/G content that they originally did.
^^ Have to disagree with the take on AdultTime. Look at it this way, think about the number of scenes released on AT, and then think about how many of those are better than, as good as or can even compare favourably with the quality of the older scenes. I'm not seeing this wide variety of good content IMO, and honestly 90% of it comes down to casting, they seem hell-bent on casting girls who are either not interested in g/g or just aren't good g/g performers. How can a director film a scene and have girls who kiss with their mouths closed, no tongue, fake moan the whole way and look terrified to go down on another girl. And that's what I'm seeing on a ton of scenes they put out, it's incredibly disappointing really when you consider that other sites like SHV and VivThomas have managed to keep their quality pretty decent (although SHV dropping the video sizes sucks). It's honestly sad that most of the good scenes I see on AT aren't produced by GirlsWay but come from partners who are just gonna release like 7 scenes before stopping.
^ Yeah basically what I've been saying about casting. I'm just curious though of who are some of the girls y'all think is not kissing good and don't act like they want to go do on the other girl? Please DM so we can compare notes bc I have girls too that I feel the same way about but I know we all have some differences in opinions about some girls which is ok. I'm just curious so I can pay even close attention to the girls y'all aren't too fond of when it comes to their G/G scenes. Thanks!
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On the topic of not really going down, one of my pet peeves is when performers move really energetically and dramatically, but you actually halfway pay attentiontion to the action and realize they kinda aren't doing much beyond silly exaggerating. Then the Adulttime audience will be like "I love her passion" lmao.
^The question is if that is because of the performer or the director.
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I think it's the performer in this case. I just think "you are making more noise than the person who is 'cumming' and they are exaggerating too" lol. But on the other hand, people seem to mostly dig it.
I'm the type to prefer to not watch porn if the performance is going to be very performative. There's no point in it if the performers have to pretend very hard to enjoy what's happening. It comes off either comical or sad.
This nails most of my complaints also. There is no passion but plenty of "flailing about." All acting and zero excitement if you can tell they aren't enjoying themselves. But hey, they're in business so someone enjoys it.
I also give negative marks for tats and silicone which they also seem to cast more than other sites. Just personal preference.
So the guy I was mentioning about how he was talking negatively about Abigaiil Morris being in the threesome scene with Natasha Nice and Skylar Snow. He was still targeting Lacy in particular about her first film "Twisted Passions 31". And I find out that Aaliyah Love said this guy has been doing that sense the early 2000s. I must admit this guy is a tool. He goes by DeepKissLover on twitter. Like how does someone say they love a performer, in has case Lacy, but then turn around and result to name calling? Again that guy is a tool.
On the topic though of saying the decline of G/G is due to casting the wrong girls, I also think it could be putting girls in situations that they arent comfortable with. There are girls who love the rough type scenes and they are placed in vanilla type scenes. Then some girls dont shoot well with different girls. Directors have to book them with girls they feel comfortable and confident with. Im always the guy who says girls should be booked with who they want to be booked with. All directors should be on social media seeing how the performers interact with each other. There shouldnt be a situation where a girl shows up to set and just meeting someone new for the first time that she has to work with. Not saying that it cant work on occasions but I think scenes are much more better when the girls have some interactions with each other either on social media or met at conventions or dare I say even shot together for their onlyfans. Bc regardless if the girls arent fully into girls in general they are into each other and that would still make the scene at least decent to watch. The one thing that made GFF back in the day great and as people have mentioned about the old Girlsway scenes is the pairings. Those pairings had meaning to them and thats why the scene was so hot. It wasnt just random pairings and hope that the scene works out fine.
I don't agree that g/g is in general decline, however your point about casting is important. Back in the 2011 Nica Noelle directed a film called Lesbian Truth or Dare 6.
The two cover girls Chastity Lynn and Evelyn Lin had an absolutely amazing scene together. The scene was with Chastity playing a stripper who challenged the uptight and ostensibly straight Evelyn for being insecure in her sexuality. Evelyn was offended and accepted a lapdance as a challenge. She was at first very rigid and looked intensely uncomfortable but was eventually was seduced into some of the best oral sex I've ever witnessed. There was a discussion on a different forum with Nica Noelle, who revealed that the casting was not at all accidental:
"It's funny, when I first posted pics of Evelyn on this forum and talked about how excited i was about her, the response from members was tepid; many said they'd seen her in other scenes and that she didn't look all that into g/g sex. Now, of course, you're coming around. :-)
I think many of you don't realize that when I write I work with the natural inclinations and temperament of the performer so that they CAN reach the level of passion I envision - and that you, the fans, want to see. Making someone behave like a completely different person and go against their true sexual nature rarely results in a passionate scene. More often it makes performers self-conscious and unsure of themselves.
Evelyn is naturally reserved and dignified, but she obviously has a very fiery, passionate sexuality that can be tapped into if you approach it the right way. To me, she is an extremely compelling creature, a mass of contradictions and juxtapositions, and beautiful as any woman in porn. I gave her a role where she could indulge both her natural reticence and also allow her underlying passion to come through at a pace that felt right to her. Evelyn isn't the sort of girl you rush. The scene and the casting was done with her in mind."
Moral of the story: 1. Brand new girls are hot and in demand, but what are they really like? Nobody really knows. Good scenes are more likely to emerge with more experienced girls, as long as we have... 2. People who know how to mix and match the right girls for the right scenarios.
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^^It's been my theory that if they give the girls more time to break the ice and shoot the shit before shooting the porn, the better the scene would be. It does all come down to comfort and the want to though. Some people like numbers and clerical work and become accountants. Meanwhile, some have the capability to be accountants and so they pick that withouut any real affinity for it beyond the capability to do so. Overall, we need more of the scenes to go to women who like shooting with women.
But the industry is so used to stuff like Darcie Dolce fucking up scenes left and right while getting recognition for it, so they just cast whoever. whenever.
With some free time on my hand, I've decided to compile a list of award winning lesbian scenes. From what I understand, there are 2 main awards in the adult industry in the USA, AVN and X Biz. I went back ~10 years and came up with the following list.
Some notes about this list. 1. Award categories change, so not every one of them will be present in every year. I have tried to list everything relevant to girl/girl scenes. This is accurate to the best of my ability. 2. There are 5 tabs. The first 2 (best scene and best movie/release) are meant to be comparative that list AVN vs X Biz; the last 3 list categories that only exist in one of the 2 awards. 3. From 2016 to 2020, X Biz had a category called "Best All-Girl Release Non-Feature." It's essentially unconnected scenes collected as one video. For example, in 2020, the winner was We Like Girls Volume 2 from Girlsway. I have decided to exclude this category. 3. The 3rd tab -- AVN Group Sex -- exists soley because this category, for some reason, exists every year. 4. The 4th tab -- AVN international scene -- has only existed in the last 4 years. 5. The 5th tab is for best actress in an All Girl release. I guess with the decline of feature films, they stopped this category in 2020.
Looking at this list, here are some of my observations. 1. Anyone knows what the equivalent awards are in Europe, if any? This is particularly notable when I saw Viv Thomas never showed up anywhere, and the winners for the international category from AVN for the past 2 years are totally unknown to me. I'm vaguely aware of Little Caprice, but I didn't know she's a producer. I guess I'll try to track those down and take a look, if possible.
2. Also notable by their near-complete absence: Girlfriends Films, with two exceptions. I wonder if they inadvertently made lives more difficult for themselves by producing such a huge quantity of videos that it's difficult for any individual ones to stand out.
3. When you look at them side by side, though both are "mainstream," there are more differences than overlaps between the two awards. For example, from 2016-2019, Angela White won 3 out of 4 AVN best releases, while Girlsway series made a clean sweep for X Biz during those 4 years. There's even a win for Abby Winters for X Biz. I guess they are more for an "enthusiast" market?
4. Things that I need to check out because of the list: Sweet Sweet Sallie Mae; Lust Cinema; Angela Loves Women (I must confess I had skipped her scenes because her looks didn't appeal to me); Terror Camp (how did I miss this?); Alexis and Asa (a rare agreement between the 2 awards).
5. Things that I should re-watch: basically all the Girlsway series; Jessie Loves Girls; Sweetheart's features from 2017-2019 (Lefty, The Candidate, Talk Derby to Me).
6. I have never liked group sex scenes. I guess I'll try to go through a few in that list to see if my prejudice is still justified.
7. Under the "Best Actress from An All Girl Release," I've never seen those early films. One should win the award for the worst porn title -- it's literally called Against Her Will, I mean come on. Lesbian Vampire Academy just sounds awesome, especially since it had Carter Cruise and Ryan Ryans. Though considering it's produced by Hustler, I have my doubts ("OK guys, everybody loves lesbians, Twilight, and Harry Potter. How do we get them together?").
The Vampire Mistress sounds solid. How can you go wrong with Dani Daniels and Lily LaBeau?
The interesting thing is that it's from a studio called Sparks Entertainment, which I've never heard of. It only had one other feature called "Lesbian Obsession," which had a cast that included -- get this -- Sandra Shine, Eufrat, Silvia Saint, Zifira, Aneta Keys, Cindy Hope! Which made me suspect this probably was a compilation from 21 Sextury.
8. After going to their website, it looks like by now this studio has changed into a cosplay focused website. I must admit some of these images look amaaaaazing: Alex Coal looks beyond fantastic as Wonder Woman. Too bad it looks like it's mostly a solo site?
^ Casting is very important. You mentioned Nica. She was one of my fav directors. I had the pleasure of chatting with her alot when I was sub to her OF and she is just an incredible and insightful human being. She was straight forward with me in some of the things I asked her. Some of the things she told me she didnt want me to speak on but she definitely told me some things that shocked me bc I had no idea. But Nica seemed to know the casting. Even her last scene she did for SHV was "A Mothers Secret" she had Elexis Monroe, Kasey Warner, Jelena Jensen, and a new girl that she was so impressed with in Ingrid Mouth. Turns out Ingrid was great for that movie and I enjoyed her three scenes each of them with great G/G performers in Jelena, Kasey, and Elexis.
You also mentioned Girlsway feature "Vampires" That casting was great. Anytime you can have Angela White, Jelena Jensen, Carter Cruise, Abigail Mac, Shyla Jennings, and Georgia Jones all in one movie that will make for a great movie and thats why its one of my fav features. My fav Girlsway feature is "Wasteland" and that too had the likes of Abigail Mac, April O'Neil, Kenna James, Cherie DeVille, Georgia Jones, and Alexis Fawx. So again casting is extremely important.
^^ You talk about new girls that people dont really know. I struggle with that personally. Perfect example is Vanna Bardot. First saw her in a scene with Gina Valentina for GFF. That scene was over an hour long. I really like Gina Valentina but I didnt think highly of the scene bc I didnt know who Vanna was so she just didnt jump out at me. Then the more I started to see Vanna the more I started to like. Ive seen her in more GFF scenes as well as SHV, AHL, and Girlsway scenes. Also I see her in some of her OF content. Again the more I saw of her the more I like. I realize that she is an amazing kisser and she really is into girls. I do think its important though to pair the new girls with veteran girls.
Its similar to what they do in B/G. I remember the story of Kayden Kross shooting her first scene under contract with Vivid. Her first scene was with Manuel Ferrera. She told the story how on her way to set her boyfriend at the time called and broke up with her bc he didnt like the fact that she was shooting porn. So she was already an emotional wreck. Then she showed up to set and saw Penny Flame in a scene and she wanted to do exactly what Penny was doing. So then when her scene started she was going to give Manuel a blowjob and she was terrible at it. So terrible that 1) Vivid changed the title from "Kayden Loves Manuel" to "Kayden's First Time" and 2) Manuel originally put her on his no list. He dont even have a no list but since Kayden was so bad he originally never wanted to shoot with her again. Oh and btw Kayden turned out to be a great performer at least imo. She definitely is a great director as well.
I said all that to say new performers have alot going on shooting for the first time. Thats why its important to pair them with a veteran performer who knows what they are doing. Its rare for me to watch a scene with two new performers and truly enjoy it. Not saying those performers are bad but unless they truly jump out to me like a Lena Paul did for example when I first saw her in "A Soft Touch 3" with Ivy Jones which was directed by another fav directors of mine in Jacky St. James. Unless a new performer jumps out to me then its going to take me some time to get used to them if I even do. Darcie never made an impression on me and the frustrating part with her is she shot with seemingly all the top names in the industry. If Darcie was even in the slightest any good she would have plenty of good if not great scenes but unfortunately that was never the case.
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How did you tell that Kayden/Manuel F story and not end it mentioning that they are now a couple? lol. That's a great story. They should get a couple of young performers to play them in a feature. I don't even watch BG but that would be neat.
Back on topic, I agree that in most situations a new performer should be paired with a more experienced performer. An anecdote: I had written Anna Claire Clouds off until I saw her with Alex Coal.
You know, I have been significantly taken by Vanna Bardot exactly one time. Mentioned a bit upthread that I really only care about scenes where it looks like one at least one of the performers is arguably getting off for real. Well it seemed like Brooklyn Gray gave Vanna a genuine good time in their Girlfriends Films scene. I don't remember seeing any other convincing Vanna scene.
The person who comes to mind for me as being good right out of the gate is Freya Parker. Her first GG was for GFF, and she seemed to give Michelle Anthony a genuine good time. Stepped on the scene like a 10-year vet, and that's ironic because she often tweets about how nervous she is around women.
^ I left that part out with Kayden and Manuel bc everyone should know that they ended up together lol.
My first scene I saw of Anna was with Alex and it was good. Alex help a lot of girls be good bc I think she get that nice vibe and chemistry with them even with her "we did it" dance vids. Plus Alex is so passionate with her partners it's not hard to have a good if not great scene with her.
As for Vanna my fav scene with her is AHL scene with Jane Wilde another excellent performer. Funny you mention Brooklyn as it comes to Vanna. They did a threesome together with Jade Baker for their platform. They seem to have nice chemistry together.
I first saw Freya in an OF scene with Ryan Keely then a threesome with Julia Ann and Kayla Paige. Both times she impressed me so I started watching her mainstream stuff and she continues to impress. Some girls just jump out at you right away and Freya was that girl for me as well.
^ Agree, I think the out of the newer girls the standouts for me are Alex Coal (I know she's been around for a bit but I think she's only recently been doing more g/g), Lily Larimar, Freya Parker. I also might be imagining it but I think with Freya especially you can tell when she's frustrated being paired with a bad performer lol
It would be nice if the industry allowed for the time to assess a girl's experience, strength and weaknesses, and pair them up accordingly. But it's more of a sink or swim situation where girls just get thrown into scenes often at the last minute or as replacements, and you often don't know what kind of scene you will end up with.
^Very nice looking cast! I like the outfits too. I wonder if they will play the "reluctant" angle again. If they have to, I hope it's the younger students who are the seducers. It's somewhat more novel and a tad less ethically problematic. Also, if they want to do this in a less episodic fashion and produce a more coherent drama, they can just play this up as a forbidden mutual romance, which may give more interesting stories (e.g. the young student having trouble with her same-age girlfriend, the older teacher struggling with past episode of indiscretion with student, etc.)
So Violet Myers is exclusive to Vixen now. Im so happy for her bc I think she is awesome but as a fan I wouldve love to see her shoot a few times with AHL and GFF. Maybe she will still get to do that eventually if she dont stay under contract with Vixen for an extremely long time.
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Violet is super hot and I would probably be a huge fan, but she has that SLAYED kind of performance style in the GG I have seen from her. Good fit for them.
^Speaking of Violet Myers and Slayed, have you seen that scene? I just posted something about that in the Slayed thread. I'm actually more impressed by Vicki Chase than Violet.
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Posted - May 4 2022 : 6:24PM
I saw it and it has the very comical and "energetic" sex SLAYED is known for lol.
I have been moved by Vicki Chase exactly one time. She has an old scene with Sara Luvv for InTheCrack and they just seemed so into each other. I have never seen Vicki Chase like that any other time.
But then again Sara Luvv was pretty sexual in everything I've seen her in so maybe that ITC was Sara's greatness showing.
Yeah I think that scene has a lot of problems, which are mainly driven by their evident desire to emphasize Violet's physique, which in turn distorted a lot of things. I still think Vicki did as good a job as can be expected. Comparing that scene to the most recent one between her and Jazlyn, and it's clear to me that once that distorting factor is taken away, Vicki is a very good g/g performer.
I haven't seen Violet and Vicki Slayed scene yet. I've only seen about four Slayed scenes so far so I have a lot of catching up to do.
Speaking of scenes I've currently started watching Lacy Lennon scene with Kay Lovely for GFF and I'm sorta impressed by Kay. I saw her scene with Kenna James for SheSeducedMe and it was alright mainly bc of Kenna. Kay didn't really jump out at me in that scene mainly bc of the storyline I'm thinking where she was reluctant. In the scene with Lacy she isn't reluctant but rather the take charge one and she has sorta impressed me. So I have to continue to watch the rest of the scene but so far what I've seen it's really good.
Pick some retired paired with some active performers that would make for the perfect scene. Ill give you mine:
1 Lacy Lennon and Samantha Ryan. I think their scene would be full of intense orgasms, passion, and energy. I would love the kissing that would take place as well as all of the tribbing especially Samantha famous missionary trib. Oh and not to mention the great orgasm faces both would be making.
2 Magdalene (technically she hasnt retired but currently inactive) and Angela White. This wont happen regardless bc Angela is under contract with Brazzers but talk about the perfect scene. Magdalene loves kissing and big breasts. Angela loves kissing and she has big breasts. I could see Magdalene just going absolutely insane playing with Angela big breasts and just getting off in all different ways as a result. Just thinking about that scene has me excited lol.
3 Lacy Lennon and Carter Cruise. Another passionate and just full of energy type scene. Both girls would just be rolling through orgasm after orgasm and literally exhausted by the end of the scene.
4 Lily Carter and Kenna James. Oh how I would be so intrigued with this scene. Ive been on the record to say how I took Lily for granted when she was in the industry and I regret it bc of how amazing she was. Her performances were epic. Talk about alot of intense orgasms. She literally would apologize during scenes after some of her orgasms. I would just love to see the amazing Kenna and the amazing Lily go at it.
5 Scarlet Red and Alex Coal. Just them doing the "we did it" dance vid alone would be worth it. I know how playful Scarlet is in her scenes and she just have an overall bubbly personality. Her and Alex would make for an excellent scene together. It would have to be where Scarlet seduces a reluctant Alex. But then eventually Alex gives in and goes with the flow and everything just becomes playful and fun and just overall passionate and hot.
I have more but for now these are the ones Im mentioning lol.
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Posted - May 5 2022 : 10:35PM
I hate that Freya Parker missed out on Annika Albright.
Lacy Lennon and Bree Daniels would be interesting.
I'd want to see Marilyn Johnson with one of the best of all time, Georgia Jones. Just to see if Marilyn's got it or not.
This made me laff...becuz I perfectly understand what your saying. So, I did a quick check to see which models had shot G/G for WG/UF AND also shot -stomp on her face, piss in her mouth, shove 87 peens up her poophole- type scenes for LP.
I prob'ly missed a couple but here they are: Rebecca Volpetti, Alexis Crystal, Lottie Magne, Gina Gerson, Cherry Kiss, Sasha Rose, Taylor Sands, Emily Mayer, Cindy Shine, Timea Bella, Lady Dee, Kiara Lord, Lovenia Lux, Kristy Black.
Taylor Sands' G/G scenes at WG are pure dullsville...it's where the vast majority of her G/G scenes have permanent residence. With the notable exceptions of some wonderful scenes Taylor shot at AbbyWinters. Perhaps Taylor liked the all-girl crew at AW and the fact that there was no male director standing over her micro-managing the scenes.
Alexis is a good G/G performer and her scene at WG with Nancy A is pretty good. Same with Gina Gerson and her WG scene with Nancy. Gina can shoot some decent G/G when she skips the morning caffeine/nicotine fix.
Lovenia and Kristy shot a G/G together at WG and they shot a G/G/G with Sasha Rose. Both scenes are perfectly boring, background eye-candy. Boring eye-candy also describes Rebecca's 3-wheeling clusterfuck with Freya Mayer and Kate Quinn. 3-somes (and more-somes) are such a boring fanboy affectation...but, Freya Mayer is so so so yummy.
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^Yes, threesomes are terrible. But I think I am the only guy who thinks that way lol
If only ITC shot much more lesbian scenes. I cannot get enough of close up and deep ass licking. There just isn't enough or the camera is too far away!
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^I only like ass-licking if the women really go for it, otherwise it's a waste of time. I assume you have seen the scene with Kalina Ryu and Luna Star. Talk about deep ass-licking! God, I wish there were more uninhibited girl-eaters like Luna!
Honestly, if ITC put out two GG scenes a month, I likely wouldn't need any other site. I have been sustained on like the best six or so scenes from that site for years!
Good Idea. I would love to see Prinzzess and Malena Morgan be able to take their time and have their way with the following ladies: Anna Claire Clouds Octavia Red Liz Jordan Skye Bue Tristan Summers Natalia Nix
Well personally I wouldn't classify this as a parody, it's just a porn version of blaxploitation. I mean very little is played for comedic effect (other than what's already in blaxploitation). On pussy eating, I'd agree with you on Scarlit and Valentina. I'd add Ana and Julie too. However, I don't think Kira did any pussy eating at all.
Anyway, as part of my effort to catch up on some of the award-winning g/g scenes, below I post my detailed review.
Scene 1: Misty Stone and Sizi Sev
The plot is that Sally Mae (Ana Foxxx) goes to visit a (presumably) corrupt cop Polly (Misty Stone), pays her, and is then sent onto to a "Miss Jane." Polly's girlfriend Ella (Sizi Sev, a brand new girl to me) comes in, expresses some concern about it, and is then soothed with sex (it is porn after all.)
I think all three women did well with the acting, not that there's too much of it. What there is, I especially like Misty Stone -- she projects an oily swagger that is just right. Both Misty and Sizi are very beautiful with great bodies. But what about the sex? In a word, very uneven.
First, I think the makeout is lacking. The kissing is much too brief and it's entirely closed-mouthed. There's just one brief moment where Sizi extends her tongue but Misty keeps her mouth closed (pictured above); thereafter Sizi seems to have gotten the hint. The first major part of sex is when Sizi sits on Misty's face. The angle shows off Sizi's magnificent butt, but I'm not convinced that there is nearly enough mouth to pussy/clit contact for Sizi to get off, and since it's on a rather small couch, they even have to bend and twist into some rather seemingly uncomfortable positions for that. When Sizi returns the favor, things improve: whether it's oral or fingering, you can see she tries pretty hard and the Misty's pleasure is likely quite real, although I think Misty exaggerates the effects too much. The scene ends on a long segment of, well, terrible tribbing with Misty on top. Multiple times we can clearly see not only there is no contact between pussies, there is likely minimal contact between pussy and thigh. Their positioning frankly makes no sense. Overall, I wish Sizi had been paired with someone a lot more into the action.
Scene 2: Kira Noir and Noemie Bilas
The plot gets actually quite complicated here (for porn), and Ana's character Sally has significant screentime in a non-sex role, so do others like Valentina Nappi as a drug kingpin, Julie Kay as her enforcer, Scarlit Scandal as Sally's step-sister, and Isiah Maxwell in a cameo as a martial arts teacher. A lot of information is provided and quite a few characters are set up very nicely, foreshadowing future development. The martial arts training is brief but quite fun and done well.
The sex is between Anita (Kira Noir) and Brandy (Noemie Bilas). As it is with the first scene, I find the kissing far too lacking -- again close mouthed. However, Kira plays the dominant girlfriend well and takes charge in bed. She fingers Noemie in multiple positions: this is done really well (I really enjoy seeing girls fingering each other), and Noemie is clearly wet (you can even hear squelching sounds and see Kira's wet fingers). When Noemie eats Kira's pussy while fingering her (a huge favorite position for me), I thought it's done really well, but this part is unfortunately too brief. Alas there's again a long segment of bad tribbing in the middle. Their positioning is not quite as bad as those between Misty and Sizi, but it's again entirely unconvincing to this viewer that they got any sexual pleasure out of it. Overall it's better than the first scene. The main problem I have is that I just don't find Noemi attractive. I feel pretty bad saying this, not only because it's a kind of a mean thing to say, also because she's almost certainly genuinely sexually excited and probably has provided the most convincing performance out of all four women so far. Sigh.
Scene 3: Ana Foxxx and Scarlit Scandal
A tied up Sally is about to be tortured, which triggers further flashbacks to her karate training and sex with her step-sister Emily (the ridiculously cute bespectacled Scarlit Scandal). Why the fauxcest? Why can't they simply be girlfriends? Anyway eventually Sallie breaks out.
The makeout is excellent with prolonged deep kissing. They don't treat it as some "phase" to be rushed through. They would kiss, touch, kiss each other's breasts, then go back to kissing on the mouth again. Wonder of wonders, there is even repeated neck kiss! Just beautiful! Ana then proceeds to perform by far the most conventional (lying on her stomach between Scarlit's legs) and by far the most convincing oral sex on Scarlit. Porn is often criticized for being too formulaic, but I feel this formula -- good oral sex as the central component of a g/g scene -- is rather a good one; too bad it only shows up now. Scarlit returns the favor mostly with her fingers (nicely done) but occasionally with her mouth too. A much better face sitting (compared to the first scene) evolves into a sexy 69. Scarlit also uses her mouth and fingers (in combination) on Ana very energetically. Another element present here that's absent in other scenes: the transition between various positions is filled with kissing on the mouth and on each other's bodies -- gorgeous! There is still tribbing of very dubious quality; however, it's at least much shorter than earlier scenes, and neither girls exaggerate the effects too much.
Scene 4: Valentina Nappi and Julie Kay
The setup is very brief: drug kingpin Miss Jane (Valentina) tells her enforcer Tina (Julie Kay) "I pay you not to be smart, but to look good," and they get it on. After the sex, the story wraps up with Sally charging in to exact revenge for what Miss Jane did to her step-sister.
I like this scene a lot: the kissing and makeout is excellent. Both women have gorgeous breasts and both the camera and they pay a lot of appropriate attention to them. The oral sex is good: you can see the tongue-on-clit action again and again in multiple positions, where they kneel between each others' legs, sit on each other's faces, or 69. For my taste, the lack of fingering is bit unfortunate, but it's not a deal breaker by any means. Also there is no awkward tribbing of any kind -- good! I would rank the quality of sex just a bit below the Ana/Scarlit scene. The strange thing is, the vibe just doesn't fit the setup. The whole thing comes off very slow and tender (you can see the gorgeous kissing the last 2 screen caps, which come after the sensual oral sex). Their vibe just don't fit their existing characters (Miss Jane the cold mob-boss and Tina the violent enforcer, who had beaten up Sally in an earlier scene). Everything is very romantic and lover-like. It's not at all what I expected after that "pay you to look good" line. Very weird. I mean as a sex scene it's good, but it just doesn't fit the story easily.
let me just bring up a couple of topics completely unrelated to the preceding discussion. 
