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Posted - Jun 20 2019 : 5:01AM
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I figured I would "bump" this thread because this topic has kind of taken over the Blacked.com Official Thread.
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Posted - Jun 20 2019 : 2:14PM
It isn't really about "waiting to shoot IR", but rather it's "running out of options that pay high".
When a hot white or Asian chick enters porn, she has numerous offers for non-IR porn (meaning porn with a white dude), but like every other porn actress, their demand usually drops with time. And this is true especially in the current generation, many porn stars just disappear after 3-4 years. So they shoot these non-IR scenes because that is their true preference, but once their demand for non-IR runs out they're forced to do other stuff - like IR, more kinky porn, gangbangs, bukkakes, etc..
A good example of this is Nicole Aniston.. she started with very vanilla stuff and then to maintain her position in the industry, she got a shit ton of plastic surgery and then started doing IR, else she would have become irrelevant.
I think Brett Rossi would have gone the same way, but she seems to maintain a good stripper type body, and is probably making most of her income through that manner and has escaped becoming irrelevant.
A perfect example of porn actresses going irrelevant is Kendra Sunderland, she became so popular with the library video, and then did some non-IR porn, she had to shift to IR to maintain that relevancy, and now after IR, she's hardly anywhere to be found (outside of some amateur manyvids content)
Also, don't believe the false pretense on many pornstars claiming "I don't charge more for IR". This is a really stupid take. They get paid higher when they're new, and as their pay drops over time, they do IR which offers them higher rates (similar rates to when they started in porn), so now they spin this fact to "I don't charge higher for IR", which is clearly a bullshit take!
^You make some interesting points but I can't agree with you on most of them. In the first place the number of IR porn studios has always been quite small when compared to non-IR studios but it's so much worse now that you basically have Blacks on Blondes(Dogfart), Blacked, Blacked Raw, Dark X and BangsBros(this last one is not a true IR studio per say) who regularly produce IR porn. Your average porn performer could have a decent career and never work for any of these companies and it wouldn't be because she didn't want to work with black people. The more popular the performer the less likely that she does work for those studios because all of the non-IR studios will want to book her.
Now that doesn't mean that some performer don't avoid shooting for IR studios for a variety of reasons that unless we are friends with them then we really don't know but most performers choose to work for IR studios and again we don't really know why because we aren't friends with them. We assume that they do it because even if the going rate is the same. It's still a job that will likely pay them at least 1000$ and if they are lucky than more than that and that's hard to turn down.
Do me a favor and avoid using the term vanilla to describe what is usually hardcore porn because most porn is never vanilla and for that reason do not say that Nicole Aniston was a vanilla porn performer in the beginning. The woman was doing facials and creampies almost from day one and these things are never and I mean ever vanilla. The bulk of her work was for Bangbros, Brazzer and Naughty America and only one of these actually shoots IR porn on a fairly regular basis so she is your proto-typical performer who may never do much if any IR porn because she is too busy working for non-IR studios.
I wouldn't use Kendra for most arguments because while she may have been a very popular performer with a very vocal fan base. She will never be anything other than a flash in the pan with a bigger following than she deserves for me. She basically worked for 2 studios and they are owned by the same company.
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Posted - Jun 20 2019 : 8:33PM
Here's one thing we haven't explored - as performers lose their 'newcomer' status but aren't propelled into the upper tier of models in their generation (like a Gianna Dior has) does their pay per scene lower or just stay stagnant? If they see that they're getting paid less or not getting paid more for the types of scenes they've always done perhaps it's not only a chance to stay relevant by branching out to IR studios but an opportunity to ask for more while they still can.
Don't ever recall seeing that angle brought up, maybe it's not happening though. *shrugs
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Posted - Jul 25 2019 : 5:38PM
As far as I know Kendra shot professional porn exclusively for Greg Lansky's websites. When her contract was up she retired from professional porn, which, I believe, is why now "she's hardly anywhere to be found." As for IR, only two non-IR scenes were released before her IR showcase was rolled out. She very well could have began shooting that showcase even before she shot her first two Vixen scenes. What's clear to me is that her professional career under Lansky was always going to include IR, right from the beginning. There was no "shift to IR to maintain relevancy."
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Posted - Jul 25 2019 : 5:48PM
My guess is that unless performers shoot exclusively with their significant others, they're going to shoot with people who they wouldn't otherwise have sex with regardless of whether or not they shoot with black men. If I'm right, that's probably even more the case for new performers than it is for vets.
Many porn stars disappear after 3-4 months , those lasting years are the "names" there are many reason for that some entered porn just to have a pornstar status to charge more for the side works that actually are their main activities.
As for true preference, I'm sorry would you make me believe that all those teen pornstars or even just those in their twenty have a true preference for mature , midle aged men often with wood problems? Is that what you imply? That pornstars actually work only to feed their true preference?
Just for the record even those with a real life true preference for black men to the point to date black men exclusively in their personal life have more non IR scenes than IR scenes.
So what a pornstar does for work proves nothing
Brett Rossi has been relevatn for years without even doing B/G she was a lesbian star she begun doing guys only relatively recently and even so she went on hiatus for a while and still has her strong fanbase.
The last part has no evidence unless you know exactly what the rates are for each performer
Along with waiting for a higher rate, there's this:Blacked is one of the best and one of the worst things which has impacted the industry regarding porn featuring black guys. On the bright side, a lot of companies started making scenes which are more "classy" and a lot of women are now open to working with black guys, but on the other hand there's a lot more stuff like this: (link)
Her first scene was for Shot Her First; there's nothing wrong with that, but that site is obviously not a Brazzers, Vixen or other major site. The thing that's irksome is that to shoot with someone who's black now it has to be for Blacked first?
I think the different standards are ridiculous, and that's not even mentioning that Branden is basically asking to book her but she's turning him down because she thinks 1) that Blacked will book her (and let's presume she thinks/hopes soonish) 2) waiting for Blacked is worth it and apparently much better than Dickdrainers and 3) she seems to think going on Twitter and offering a producer her "sloppy seconds" is a good marketing strategy.
Another factor is that just taking a glance at social media, Dickdrainers seems to be better at marketing than Blacked. For one thing, Branden seems to be catching up to Blacked's 400k Twitter followers, and also, pretty much every promotional tweet he posts gets tons of interaction, with thousands of likes and hundreds of retweets and comments, whereas Blacked doesn't get that on a consistent basis. He's also very interactive and seems to actually listen to fans. Blacked's posts seem all cookie-cutter and very straightforward, whereas Branden clearly makes an effort to be clever.
And comparing Dickdrainers to some sites that feature white men, Branden clearly has a more popular site compared to a lot of them.
The different standards performers have for working with black people is ridiculous.
Strong social traffic correlates with strong SE traffic for websites (it's different if it's platform specific such as snapchat or instagram). The low SE trend, and overly large twitter follower count, is suspicious. A deep dive into his followers list, shows many suspicious-looking folllowers (usernames with multiple numbers who follow many people but have no followers themselves)
This is correct. She was the prototype for the system: introduce the girl on VIXEN, then go to BLACKED and TUSHY. There are no scenes for TUSHY because she tried anal and couldn't do it.
She's doing her own thing now and last I heard, her boyfriend still works for Vixen Media Group
^^ That's a good point. Though I suspect that Blacked/BlackedRaw also have a lot of followers which are accounts like that as well. In fact, I'm guessing that goes for a majority of porn industry accounts.
Anyway, I'm certainly not arguing that Dickdrainers is more popular than Blacked - in fact, I think a better place than Twitter to look would be Pornhub, where Blacked has a much stronger presence - I'm just saying that a lot of companies which compete with Blacked are dismissed and overlooked.
I think that Branden overall is better at presenting his social media persona and using to promote his brand compared to how the Blacked accounts are very bland. I also think it's interesting that Blacked seems to be adopting trends which were started/popularized by Branden: on Twitter the #WhoDat? tweets, and I think that Blacked has included more rimming since Dickdrainers got more popular.
Even other mainstream companies like BangBros have to get Blacked's "sloppy seconds." One thing that's really interesting is that I don't see performers going on Twitter saying "I want my first IR to be for @Brazzers." It's always Blacked.
So to people who say that performers are waiting to work with black people based solely because of business, I disagree. For many of them, it's completely about skin color. MindGeek companies, to their credit (even though in the past they've been lacking in booking black performers) treat scenes with black performers like all of their other scenes. Brazzers' scenes aren't treated like "IR scenes," so performers don't want their first scene with a black guy to be for them.
I wonder if Brazzers even pays "black guy rates." It also makes me wonder how many performers "don't do IR yet" when Brazzers inquires. Which is ridiculous, Brazzers scenes trump Blacked scenes in terms of exposure. Which again tells me it's about performer's standards and expectations about working with black people rather than being about what they think is best for their career.
Waiting an arbitrary amount of time to work with black people isn't part of some magic formula for a successful career and waiting to work specifically with Blacked isn't either.
^^ Totally. Brazzers alone as a million members. Mindgeek's paysites probably have close to 2 million in total. BLACKED is big, but still a niche product with a tiny fraction of the userbase of ZZ. If a pornstar wanted to get exposure and fame, her first choice should be Mindgeek.
^ Blacked has a habit of paying for exclusiveness although I'm not sure how often they do that nowadays or if they still do that at all, but basically they paid the girls to not shoot . Of course everybody wants to shoot with them first , not only they get paid for their firsts but also the exlusiveness so there is no point with shooting with somebody else , not for firsts anyway.
^^I'm starting to wonder where you get your info. Brazzer who has been in business since 2007 currently has 222 IR videos. Blacked who has been in business since 2014 has 413. To give you an idea of where I'm going. Brazzer has 803 lesbian videos. If you don't see where I'm going then let me explain it. Brazzer may produce Ir content from time to time but that is a minuscule percentage of their total content and therefore Blacked is not a competitor to Brazzer and vice versa.
^While I do believe that Tushy pays for exclusiveness when it comes to anal. I'm not so sure that they do it for their other platform. I say that mostly because they probably don't have to. I mean IR is not well represented in the porn industry because there aren't many sites/studios that produce it. Paying exclusive rights would be a waste of money.
^ On Blacked they did in many occasions , but of late i'm noticing IR scenes from competitors issued a coiple weeks later than them , so it's probably only for certain names
Brazzers itself is inconsequential to the main point. You could take any other mainstream company which makes scenes with black guys like Naughty America, BangBros, Evil Angel, Elegant Angel, whatever, and the point stands. Brazzers is just the most extreme because they are at the top.
The Blacked brand inherently treats "IR" as a niche different from other BG scenes. Not only that, but from the start they've been the "not like other blacks" company of porn. I recognize other mainstream sites do sometimes treat their scenes differently from "'regular BG" as well. But Blacked gives the benefit of the scene being treated as something different and special compared to a scene with a white guy and also being "classy" compared to other "IR sites." That doesn't work if a company like Brazzers just treats it as a regular BG scene. Treating it like a regular BG scene also means it makes no sense to get a higher rate for the male talent's skin color.
Back to my original point, it seems like for a lot of performers, any company will do for a first BG with a white guy, but if he's black, then it has to be the definitive premium "IR site" for either the first scene or all of them. Again, "black guy rates" are only a thing because performers have different standards and expectations for working with black guys and they have to treat it as something completely different than working with a white guy; a different category.
As for exclusivity, I'm almost certain Blacked still does that. Many of the women who debut there like Naomi Swann, Lacy Lennon and also the long-time "dodgers" either have only shot with black guys for Blacked, or like in Lacy's case she only had scenes for Blacked for some months before doing so with other companies. As far as I know, Naomi Swann still has only shot with black guys for Vixen Media Group, and I seriously doubt it's because other companies aren't interested in book her for those scenes.
Hey melvinpowell I'm really enjoying a lot of your points here. No one could have explained this any better than you so far. About "Blacked" being the best and the worst thing for the industry the last several years (since the site launched in '14).
I always ask myself, without Blacked, think of all the performers we know of today who would have never done an IR scene, and if Blacked existed let's say 5 to 10 years prior, think of some of the performers who were big in the 00's or earlier 10's who may have done an IR scene who we never got to see do IR. These are some interesting statistics and facts being brought to the table here.
WOAH, this is alarming. I didn't even know these numbers, but at the same time, I'm not surprised. Blacked really has changed the industry and a lot of performers' perception about the Black side of the industry, for the better, or worse in those opinions.
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Posted - Jan 26 2020 : 11:43PM
melvinpowell mentions Dick Drainers...isn't that like an interracial version of Facial Abuse?
If that's an accurate description of that studio, I can understand why girls are not willing to go to them for their "1st IR".
^ No, I don't think that's accurate. A fairer comparison might be a black version of Hookup Hotshot, but I think it's tamer, as I have not watched anything Hookup Hotshot so I can't say for sure. But people in the industry treat them about the same, I'd say.
That's kind of my point anyway - she's willing to shoot for Dickdrainers, but since her "first iR" has to be special, she doesn't want it to be for them. Dixie in particular has shot for guys like Mark Rockwell and I think Alex Adams, not exactly at Vixen levels of porn, but for her "first IR" instead of treating it like just another BG scene she has shoot with a black guy for the first time for Blacked. Again, her first scene was Shot Her First; if she has such high standards for her "firsts" then why didn't she wait for Vixen or Brazzers?
The interesting thing is that performers are calling Blacked out. A lot of mainstream networks with dedicated "IR sites" are either updating them less often or shifting their content to be less racialized and just treating scenes as BG. Networks are also just casting black performers across all their sites, rather than keeping them separate. The Blacked brand, along with DogFart, kind of stand out in the mainstream industry.
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Another thing is that I often see people say that women should get higher rates because "IR is more popular." I don't believe that at all. They often cite the fact that Blacked DVDs are always at the top of the charts, but that just says that Blacked is popular. To really support that claim, show the data of sites like Elegant Angel and Arch Angel Video, show the comparisons between their scene sales.
Show the difference between the average views/reactions on subscription sites between the different scenes. If "IR" is really so much more popular that it warrants a higher rate, then why don't companies shoot more of it? Explain why Brazzers or any other mainstream site has so many white scenes. It doesn't add up.
^^ Ah, I understand you now Melvin. If a girl has already done BG, an IR scene is really just another BG scene and seems exclusionary if it has to be with BLACKED.Totally. To give some perspective, from what girls told me, when they think of IR, they never heard of dickdrainers, darkx, or even blackisbetter. They know BLACKED, so they want to shoot their first IR with a company they know and has a good reputation. Maybe that's a strong possiblity.Yes, your latter points explain your observation. Porn companies are not original thinkers. They like to ride the fad. Look at all the incest sites now, or the VR sites 3 years ago. Porn companies were trying to come out with IR sites back when BLACKED became huge, thinking IR was what everyone wanted. (regarding the percentage of sales, you are correct that IR is small compared to white guys, but if you are brazzers and you are pretty maxed out with member growth with white guys, you look for areas that appear to be growing, which was IR). Things have settled down now. If a company can't make extra money with IR, they treat it as a regular scene (although, IR still sells a bit better for some companies)Yes, agreed. The women shouldn't get higher. The guys get higher due to supply. VMG early on, had the genius idea of signing the good black guys to exclusive contracts. Since there were not many black males overall, this limited the pool for everyone else.
I'm not even sure if I have or haven't posted in this thread, to me it just seems as if companies market IR scenes in general and firsts in particular, differently. They treat those scenes differently, like they are something special, that's worth being mentioned. So why shouldn't performers ask for more money? Clearly there's a market for it.
Some of this discussion feels like it's being pushed by production companies wanting to pay less more to performers.
Let's punt a link to Dickdrainers and its previews the site is focused over humiliation and rough sex , spitting ,rimming, hard throating , you're talking about it as it was a regular sex site, it's not it's a lot rougher than Blacked , they aren't even in the same league , while blacked is more focused over arousal and passion DD is focused into exploiting situations. The few previews I've see depicted masked intruders forcing the women in there into deepthroating , drooling BJs are the main course over there .
It's not a matter of IR and BG sex as suggested and implied , such site would have hard times to hire firsts even if it wasn't an IR site
With no links or proof but Blair Williams has performed wottth a black male on camera already. The scene was on that porn reality show she was on. Seems to be impossible to find these days tho. It was always odd to me that she never did any subsequential scenes. Maybe she was fucking for free on the show?
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Posted - Jan 27 2020 : 10:28PM
Thanks for your post, that's what I was getting at with my previous post. Sure, Blacked and Dick Drainers are both IR sites, but there's a drastic difference in the "type" of scene that they put out. It's understandable why girls don't want to "waste" their 1st IR on studios like Dick Drainers and Dogfart Network. Not only do these studios make content that can be deemed "trashy" and "degrading", but the names of the studios themselves are off-putting. For instance, as much of a hardcore performer as Emily Willis is, she's specifically stated that she will not shoot scenes for Dogfart Network simply because of the studio's name.
^It's almost hysterical how much money they've (particularly Dogfart) probably left on the table off of their names alone. I'm sure they'd swear they disagree or don't care but it's painfully obvious.
^^I'm going to take Emily at her word that somehow the name Dogfart was a problem for her but I'm really curious to know what she was thinking about when she chose to appear in BangBros's Monster of Cock series? Dogfart is offensive but Monster of Cock isn't?
^I don't know how much money Dogfart leaves on the table because some performers refuse to appear on their site because of their name but I somehow doubt that their name is why they might have a problem getting some women to work for them. The fact that they are one of the few sites to only shoot IR content might have a lot more to do with it but there again we are talking about a site that has been in business for over two decades. They must be doing something right to still be updating new content every single week for more than 20 years.
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Posted - Jan 28 2020 : 11:25PM
^ The name "Dogfart" isn't really offensive, it's more just weird and gross-sounding. "Monsters of Cock" is more funny than anything else.
As for Dogfart's success, I get it, I know that Emily Willis is the exception and not the norm. I was just using her stance to exemplify one reason why girls would choose not to do their "1st IR" for Dogfart. Blacked is viewed as a glamorous and high-profile production, while Dogfart comes off as more trashy and obscure.
^^ Pat is correct. Just like no one calls BLACKED, madcheddar.
I don't know how the dogfart bookings are presented to the girls, but everyone else I know, present them by the site. For example, the agent would tell the girl she is shooting for exxxxtrasmall, or stepsiblings, instead of teamskeet. Most of the new girls are not aware most brands are owned by a handful of companies.
^ agreed. god damn, terrible names. I thought "team skeet" was because the founders were skeet shooters. I didn't know it meant jizz. Madcheddar is taken from Breaking Bad.
Looks like whoever this was trying to have her cake and eat it to, by shooting what she thought was an IR scene but wanting the company to no too release until she got that bigger and better offer. I think the company rightfully pointed out that it would be stupid for them to do that if she never gets that offer they would have shot and paid for a scene they could never released.
For starters, "Dick drainers" is off-putting? And "Blacked" isn't? I think I'll just link a tweet by Demi Sutra which basically says what I would: [Tweet is no longer available]My point wasn't specifically about Dickdrainers. It's not a problem if someone doesn't want to shoot for that site. I wrote about Dickdrainers in my post because that was what was in the tweet and I was using it as an example to make a general point. Like I said before, replace it with a different site, and you'll still find that the same thing happens.
(I wonder after Blacked/Blackedraw, what the second place site would be, DarkX? It would also be interesting to see how that compares to Blacked.)
Anyway, if the tweet in question had said something like "I don't want to shoot a rough scene," your points would be true. But that's not what she said. She specifically had a problem shooting for Dickdrainers at that point because it would be a scene with a black guy, and she wants to save herself for Blacked.
On DD, there are quite a few scenes which are just regular BG or BJ scenes. I also think it's okay to assume that Branden is not going to force a performer to do something she doesn't want to in a scene. And, taking her at her word, she's saying that she's willing to shoot with him, so it's not as if she's assessed his content and decided against it.
As for "wasting" a "first IR", what is being wasted? Oh wait, I know why people think like this - the first time an "innocent," "pure" white girl is "tainted" by the black people, it has to be special. And this brings me back to the actual point I was making: Why don't they feel like their first scene with a white guy is "wasted" if they don't shoot for Vixen or Brazzers the same way it's "wasted" if they don't debut on Blacked?
Not shooting with Blacked doesn't mean the scene it's wasted. It doesn't matter if it's a performer's first, third, or 1,000th scene, a Blacked scene is a Blacked scene. Of course, Blacked may market a "first IR" differently, but it's still a Blacked scene.
But again, just about any site will do for their first scene with a white guy. To really illustrate this point, how many girls will shoot their first scene with a white guy for Net Video Girls, but not shoot with a black guy for Casting Couch-HD because now they have higher standards and want to wait for Blacked? The same thing applies to Shot Her First and IR Pass/ Hussie Pass. These sites are owned by the same respective companies and use the same crews or shoot the same content, the only difference being the male performer's skin color for some scenes.
Shooting for Blacked isn't a magical career maker. There are quite a few who debuted on Blacked but then didn't go anywhere in the industry. It's a lot more about other factors, including looks, attitude and performance.
And when you think about it, Blacked and Blackedraw don't have a huge catalog of scenes (relative to other popular sites) and how many of those are a performer's "first IR"? Also, how many of those "first IRs" are from performers who weren't popular/rising stars already? So, the girls who wait a year or two, then debut on Blacked, which then has a noticeable impact on their career is an exception, rather than the rule. For every one of them, there are many more successful performers who either never have shot for Blacked, or they didn't do their "first IR" for them.
Anyway: [Tweet is no longer available] Unless she already shot for them, which I doubt, she clearly she decided that waiting indefinitely for Blacked (which has been getting criticized by performers on Twitter for its name, content and business strategy (especially higher rates for working with black guys)) wasn't the best option. She also clearly was completely fine with DD's content to shoot for that site, though from the preview it's unclear how rough the scene will be.
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Posted - Sep 1 2020 : 7:55PM
I know this is old, but great example of dodging and how it does not matter is Brandi Love. most of her IR scenes I have found stereotypes of lback men , rich white women cheating on white hubby, or very degrading ( blacked raw bbc). She is "conservative" and a "Christian " Trump supporter. When she did not do IR she was called racist at times. Now she does and still gets called racist and on her twitter often pics of IR scenes show up when she says she does not support blm or is "donating to his legal defense fund" of that rittenhouse kid who shot those protesting rioters in WI that was 17 and charged with murder. You thnk black men will refuse to work with her? LOL. I would fall off my chair laughing as 90% of black men wont turn down white tail that hott and to get paid for it?
She wrote and article and believe her and it makes sense to say how it was presented although it has not changed and she did it anyway in spite or nothing changing and how anyone can say she was not degraded in bbc for blacked raw is beyond me as she said no one is going to "dominate her" Yes brandi. you are in total control when a black guy creampies you and says lick it up. Or when two white guys cum in your face. You are controlling them. Sure right. POint is for most things money talks. Even if she was racist as hell that does not mean she wont have sex wtih black men and honestly i am sure there are people who are not racist that have no interest in sleeping with men of other races. The funny thing is looking back at old date it appears her doing IR actually has gotten her and cory chase much more popular than before. I mean even if someone liberal hates brandi they have to pay to see her "swallow black cum" Ever hear of a grudge bang? I can only imagine what some of the stars say during the cumshot in their head.
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Posted - Sep 1 2020 : 7:58PM
LOL funny thing is just like porn many of those black men think they are in charge instead of being used of performing in a minstrel show in the case of much porn.
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I find it hard to criticize a performer for asking for more money if they can do it as they have a pretty limited window to make money, particularly in today's porn market.
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I know this is old, but great example of dodging and how it does not matter is Brandi Love. most of her IR scenes I have found stereotypes of lback men , rich white women cheating on white hubby, or very degrading ( blacked raw bbc). She is "conservative" and a "Christian " Trump supporter. When she did not do IR she was called racist at times. Now she does and still gets called racist and on her twitter often pics of IR scenes show up when she says she does not support blm or is "donating to his legal defense fund" of that rittenhouse kid who shot those protesting rioters in WI that was 17 and charged with murder. You thnk black men will refuse to work with her? LOL. I would fall off my chair laughing as 90% of black men wont turn down white tail that hott and to get paid for it?
She wrote and article and believe her and it makes sense to say how it was presented although it has not changed and she did it anyway in spite or nothing changing and how anyone can say she was not degraded in bbc for blacked raw is beyond me as she said no one is going to "dominate her" Yes brandi. you are in total control when a black guy creampies you and says lick it up. Or when two white guys cum in your face. You are controlling them. Sure right. POint is for most things money talks. Even if she was racist as hell that does not mean she wont have sex wtih black men and honestly i am sure there are people who are not racist that have no interest in sleeping with men of other races. The funny thing is looking back at old date it appears her doing IR actually has gotten her and cory chase much more popular than before. I mean even if someone liberal hates brandi they have to pay to see her "swallow black cum" Ever hear of a grudge bang? I can only imagine what some of the stars say during the cumshot in their head.
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I may agree with you about Brandi Love. At least she has done IR for other companies, not just Blacked. As far as Cory Chase goes until she starts shooting IR for other companies AND starts doing anal scenes with black guys the jury is still kinda out on her.
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Posted - Sep 2 2020 : 1:52PM
I may agree with you about Brandi Love. At least she has done IR for other companies, not just Blacked. As far as Cory Chase goes until she starts shooting IR for other companies AND starts doing anal scenes with black guys the jury is still kinda out on her.
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I am a moron. What do you agree about brandi? That she went against what she said in the article as that was my point. With cory I got to hand it to her and both. It seems looking at pornhub ranking ( you can only go back so far) but it sure as hell seems both have shot up in the ratings since doing IR, but in brandi's case it appears she compromised what she said her issues were in the brandi chat. Now i am not trying to tick of one of the most famous porntars. I am sure she had a reason. I have a couple theories based on the time frame of when she did, but I will say some say it proves $ can do anything. I wonder if the price is right if we will see "Brandis' butt meets mandingo" I am sure she could get six figures for that. but with her its unique in that as a trump suporter and conservative i have no doubt just as many non fans who want to see a "black cumshot" watch them as fans I mean lets not forget lisa ann is a household name because of negative opinions oof sarah palin and wanting to see her "take it in the face" Well palin was not going to but a look alike could and thus we have the mega milf. Most of ms anns awards i beleive were not until after nailing paylin. I watched it and it was good even if i did not know the poltiical dynamics. If anyone knows an interview or article about her giving what changed her mind i would love to read it. As someone who has had to interview people for various things ( ok i used to wear a badge) The "its was the right time" is more of an evasive answer. If "blacked was the right company" well if you know history ( and many black people will tell you the meaning of blacked going back to slavery) I call them and dogfart probably the worst two as blacked seems to have 80% of more with at least a stereotype against black men ( notice how many look cast compared to hollywood actots. Kind of a big scary look is sought) often its a rich white woman cheating on a implied white husband with the black help , which i think was brandi's first scene with jax? You also have hte "only a black man can satisfy a white women" I think we all know that is bs as kaydon cross, brandi love, Kendra lust, corey chase, Dee williams, syren de mer and countless others show us oh and dani daniels and all are some of the hottest in porn in my opinino. I mean there are ways to do classy ir with out degrading anyone. I mean one scene with mia basically has jason luv as the over sexed black man that when a "lady" realizes she should not be banging another guy when she is about to get married she wants to leave and he cant take no. Yes she gave it but does anyone know what happened to black men just for looking at whtie women/ I think that is where part of this comes from is making light or a joke about it. I bet most also dont notice jasons house is a simple townhouse while when its the womans house its always a mansion? Small details matter.
This is not a threat but a curiosity. I doubt many parents want or ok with their daughters doing porn. SOme take the high road "whatever makes her happy" but we all know the stigma. I am really curious of any fathers either going after agents or directors like lansky. If there are any stories please link. I mean there is classy porn. If my daughter at 18 ( who likely is not thinking about future consequences see leah botti and belle knox) I could see a father wanting to "discuss things" with them. Some of these girls do a few years and regret it. Some never regret it. And some will never admit regrets. I recall watching an interviw on youtube with veronica vain when she talked of crying after scenes. I would think most ladies would after some hardcore stuff and i give every female the benefit of the doubt of being a lady. She also said porn is for maybe 10% of women and something to the effect of you have to be a total slut at least for a while to be successful. I wonder how many agree but never say it. I mean would a star be popular if they said "I really hate anal but it sells" or "I really would much rather be a nurse or banker than sleep with 150 men in a career and hope a guy can look past it one day" I doubt many would in the industry. If i were i know i would not no matter the guilt i felt with my raising. Hell at 19 i was a virgin and planned to marry the first girl i slept with. I ma far from a male slut but got around. More people than i would like but i was always in a relationship or watned to be the few times it turned out ot be hook ups. yes guys get used to.
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guiltypleasure46 Deactivated User
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Posted - Sep 3 2020 : 11:16AM
Oh i cant either, but I will say when i see blm all over , the performer going to protests and bashing the country there is a part of me taht says by holding out or taking extra IR rate that is at least complicit in racism even if its not the performer but taking advantage of societies as racism is a factor in why some like IR. The hypociricy is how i really got a facination with it. Never thought much of it until after mr floyd was murdered then really thought about some to the scenes and read a couple articles about IR in porn, why some dont do it, then really looked at some scenes and thought of some i had seen before. Now i thought at the time i seen some even years ago they were a bit racist, but today really brought out the racism. I mena honestly just hte names like bbc to an extent is. Why is noting the guy is black during the scene important unless its appealing to that fetish and in many ways shrinks will tell people part of it is in many cases racial even in the sub Cons
I don't blame them for more money but i do say screw them when they bash a country a young girl with little skill can make over 6 figures in ( many have skill not saying that but not many 18-20 yo ) would make the money they do in porn.
Kind of like it when porn was about tits and ass but many now enerject social issues into it
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Sep 3 2020 : 4:06PM
Fetishization in porn is the norm. Most of the fetishization that occurs in porn (outside of gay porn) is fetishization of women: big asses, big tits, age, ethnicity/nationality, hair color, etc. Black men and their penises are also fetishized.
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guiltypleasure46 Deactivated User
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Posted - Sep 5 2020 : 10:37PM
I am aware of that. I just find it funny that much of the IR fetishism borders on stereotypes or racism and porn is a very lefty industry. Hence the interest in it. While in college one of my favorite things was exposing all the racism ( different) taht was up north yet the south gets most of the blame. I just find girls taking the "ir rate" or being in degrading scenes or sterotyped scenes very hypocritical. It also seems like the average black male does not get to share in the benefit. I mean blacked was owned by a white guy, produced by a white guy, about 80% or more of the scenes have racist or stereotypeed plots where black men are paid less than white women getting bigger money for "the ir rate" for mostly white guys ( some pretty racist) to jerk off to. I am sure many black guys taking these roles complain about racism yet some of the scenes pepetuate it. We all know young kids look at porn. Just a couple themes. Hyper sexed black man that cant take no,,, ,rich white woman neglected by her "implied white husband/boyfriend fooling around often with the help. I mean black men used to lose their lives for some of the things ( not just hte sex) in these movies yet in spite of the name blacked being racist if you know history porn gets a pass yet the redskins change their name. It also seems like a certain "type" like Prince yashuva or jason luv. Now luv could be a phd holder but he looks like he escaped from a prison yard and i dont think that is not intentional yet you hardly see little d types on blacked. Also most of the time except for milfs and angela white women are almost always smaller and blonde blue eye most of the time. I mean some if it is hott and i never thought much of it until people got the whole cancel culture. and Brandi love being totally hypocritical on the issue from her brandi chat which has been discussed in other forumes. I mean anyone that has seen her scene bbc ( nothing racist in the name) with cory chase i would love to hear them tell me how that was about the girls as ms love says at the begining of the scene. They also make a point to ask "So who likes black dick more" well both are married to white men as most white women in and out of porn so what does that tell you? Slave owners used to get off on having sex wtih black women....There is also the plot of "only a black man can please a white woman" well i wont rattle off alll the names but it sure seems lots of stars are married or dating white men. I just think Ir can be done with class particular when so damn much like the dukes of hazzard is racist. I wonder with brandi love saying on twitter she is contributing to the bail fund of that guy who shot the protestors in WI with the ar15 what the guys will say in their heads during the scenes. If she thinks she was not dominated in bbc she really has issues. One guy told her to lick up the creampie that came out and I bet knowing how conservative she CLAIMS to be i really wonder fi those guys are saying things in their head she would slap them for. A couple rightly stars have specially called out a couple of those guys who were in the same for saying bad stuff about them being conservatives. Much of the scenes are hott and we know its becuase they are more extreme just like a dp is hotter than b/g sex. That is part of the racism is we know its hott as there is still that "taboo" even if some dont talk about it and many of the girls doing scenes might like black guys but lets say i am sure denzel washington would be more than type than snoop doggy dogg and snoop is the look they cast. Just my thought. I am sure many women knokw the scenes are hott because they get made to look like a cheap whore ( porn in general) and hey they get paid. If they and if married their husbands can deal with it that is the main thing. I just hate hypocrites and it seems many are. I recall one star was encouraging black stars to boycott brandi love. I am not 100% but i think it was alana evans. i have the convo somwhere that bandi posted. BUt alana said black stars should refuse to work with her. No offense, but I said in the post NO BLACK man is turning down white tail. We just have to be honest and when its brandi's that makes it even more hott. Then you combine that with with getting paid. SO I would say black men in general from when i was in high school ( i am 45) until now in general ( not all) are drawn to white women like ants are to sugar. I mean i mean no offense by that just what i have seen and often its guys pursing girls.
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Sep 6 2020 : 12:25AM
I don't know that porn is a very "lefty" industry, but whether it is or not I do know that fetishization, stereotypes, and roleplay scenarios are common in porn in general, not just IR. What's unique about IR in hetero porn is the extent to which the male is fetishized.
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