Reviewers Recommend So Extra - review by Sean DPS Director: Mike Quasar Starring: Tommy Pistol, Ryan Keely, Seth Gamble, Isiah Maxwell, Robby Apples, Kay Lovely, Melissa Stratton, Chanel Camryn. Read review
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 5:11PM
That's crucial. Does Flash really not recognize how important his blackness is to his success?
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Daime Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 10:26PM
Afer that she wrote there going to be some mad IR fans and they will harass her for this. IR fans only said IR is black men with white woman and if you talk bad about there IR then they will started to fighting with people. I been to many fight with these fans before but at the same time they called out girls who don't do IR racist and they harass them too. There is no winning in IR discussions because the IR fans won't let it. I think Lana doesn't care for her IR fans anymore since she does more scene with white dude. It seem the indsutry does really care about IR fans because they think they are rude but at the same time they know the industry is they racist as hell
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Aug 21 2017 : 1:02AM
^The subset of IR fans who you are describing are usually called "IR watchdogs." I see no reason at all to believe that "Lana doesn't care for her IR fans anymore." She shoots what she's booked for, and nearly all pornstars will do "more scene with white dude." That's even true of most IR queens.
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I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Aug 21 2017 : 2:50AM
^Lana Rhoades isn't listed as available for IR because she does not believe that IR should be distinguished from b/g. lex von v wrote "I find that commendable, as I believe it should be understood that the actor's race should have absolutely no effect." That is his point. Rosco responded: "Actually, it should be quite the opposite, it should be trumpeted loud and clear as a selling point." That's Rosco's point. As for myself, I didn't make a point. Instead I just expressed my agreement with Rosco.
As time goes on and young girls become of age they will trip less and less on race. We're seeing it change now. Another reason blacked is so popular is because black culture is getting more and more popular always. Black dudes are cool and they have big dicks. White girls love black culture and black guys more and more everyday. I look at these girls social media and a lot of them don't follow white rock bands they follow rappers mutherfuckers. I think its fucking amazing and hot that these 90 lb white girls are taking these damn near foot length cocks.
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Posted - Aug 21 2017 : 5:51AM
So you think she should state that she does IR? Edited by - Snowbunny Sorcerer on 8/21/2017 5:52:50 AM
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Daime Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 21 2017 : 5:52AM
I be careful calling IR Fans watchdogs because they could harass you. Not everyone doesn't watch white porn, and I only watch IR and black on black porn but not too many of those being me right now. Like I said in the street to see even care for interracial porn fans because they choose to ignore them but not knowledge of them. I know Lana is reading this and sadly she doesn't care for those fans. Sad that IR fans are treated like Second class citizens in the white fans always first
I think she ideally shouldn't have to, as this should be implied. On the other hand, actors not wanting to to should have a model card such as this: G/G (no blacks please) B/G (no blacks please) Anal (no blacks please) etc. to simply call it what it is
Neither here we have an interracial sector, but you can see with your eyes what's in , a simploe look to a wall or the shelves would show what's in a DVD, you don't need to compartimentalize those ,but to do a search on a site it's quite different , you would know what's on a DVD only when you go in its page which you can't if you don't know what it is already unless it's tagged
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Posted - Aug 21 2017 : 7:50PM
^^Perhaps that would make sense in other countries. Judging from Misha Cross' complaints, directors in Europe tend to just assume that talent is available for IR. Apparently it never crossed the minds of those directors that Mischa was waiting to shoot her first IR for maximum benefit in accordance with US practices. In the US, IR has a distinct value that sets it apart from other b/gs. The concept of IR firsts is a big thing in the US industry. That is why Lana, who is uncomfortable distinguishing IR from b/g, has stated that she'll save her first IR dp for her own website if she ever starts one. A pornstar might not recognize any difference between a standard dp and an IR dp on a personal level, but on the level of business there's a very real distinction in the industry here.
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Posted - Aug 21 2017 : 9:00PM
I just saw an IR Watchdog in play, After what Lana Rhoades posted in her thread a few hours ago https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/lana-rhoades-new-movies/reply/3275845 this guy started tweeting that Lana is fake IR queen and when Lana replied the following, he blocked Lana and changed his profile to private and started posting abuses at Lana I don't get what is wrong with Lana's statement when in fact she is the one who is clearly not racist here and is putting her effort in removing the "race" descrimination in the industry. And instead of being proud of it, people starting to demean her. I just don't get it, do IR fans want performers to be more racist or for racism to get reduced on the planet. Racism will only stop when people will start looking everyone as equal and not on the basis of the color of their skin. And that firstly has to start in industries such as Porn industry where racism is clearly even in the way the scenes are booked, like for example performers waiting for a huge pay for first IR or charging more for IR. Edited by - sonofharpy on 8/21/2017 9:02:17 PM
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Aug 21 2017 : 9:33PM
^I doubt that the crazy IR watchdog you're describing is representative of paying IR fans. I think that it's up to Lana to decide whether she wants to be listed for IR or not. I also think that attacking her for her decision is pathetic. At the same time, I completely disagree with her tweet. She herself had stated twice now that she'll save her first IR dp for her own website if she ever starts one. Is that racist? IR is an existing category within porn. There are IR sites. There are IR fans. I am an IR fan. IR firsts are regarded as having a higher monetary value than regular b/gs because of consumer demand. Is it racist that there is a consumer base for IR specifically? I want to see black men have sex with non-black women. I'm not indifferent to Isiah Maxwell's dark black skin. I love his dark skin, and when he's in a scene with someone as white as Lily Rader, I love the color contrast. Is that racist? I don't believe that it is, and I am proud to be one of the consumers who is creating a sizable demand for IR. If a pornstar doesn't place IR on her ticket, it's reasonable to assume that she'll get booked less for IR than she would if she placed IR on her ticket. I hope that's not what happens in Lana's case. Many of us paying IR fans want to see her in scenes with black men, and we don't view non-black men as interchangeable with black men. Again, we want to see her with black men specifically. IR. That said, she has every right to her own values and is free to decide how best to reconcile those values with her work/career. I sincerely hope that she doesn't allow herself to be distracted by IR watchdogs and other trolls who attack her.
The thing about Lana is that contrary to some people's opinions, she does still shoot IR, and most of the major IR producers know that she is still available for it and that all they have to do is call her agent to book her for it (i.e. Lansky, Jules, Avalon/Mason with either XEmpire brand, Dogfart, etc). The only people possibly deterred by this are the producers that haven't already shot her for IR and don't know her stance, which wouldn't be that many people. Like, I get the theoretical argument, but in actuality I don't think we are getting any less IR scenes with Lana now than we would have gotten if she still had IR listed on her agency page.
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Posted - Aug 22 2017 : 1:14AM
In regards to Lana's recently stated positions on 1st IR DP and 1st IR G/G scenes...I can't help but find it ironic that, on the one hand, she tells us that both are no big deal and that the descriptor of interracial/IR shouldn't even be included, but on the other hand, she then informs us that she is reserving both for a site of her own.
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Posted - Aug 22 2017 : 2:04AM
^ yes this is weird. lana once said that ir was removed from her profile by accident, now she is saying, or implying, that it was removed because for her ir and non-ir is the same thing. she also said that she still does ir just only for directors who can capture it beautifully? hahaha if ir and non-ir are same for you and you are trying to removing the race discrimination in the industry then why this 'only for directors who can capture it beautifully'? she is doing the exact opposite of what she has been saying.Edited by - Sammys on 8/22/2017 2:11:28 AM
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Aug 22 2017 : 2:22AM
^Hmm. Was she not listed for IR when she shot her Dogfart threesome? I wonder if it's before or after that shoot that she decided that she would only shoot IR "for certain directors" (ie. is Dogfart on her "good" list?). I also kinda wonder what role Ben English is playing in all this.
^^ Truthfully, she'd rather work with directors of any type of porn that would "shoot it beautifully", it's just that she can't get away with that for everything and still have a flourishing career.
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Posted - Aug 22 2017 : 2:40AM
^^ yes when she shot dogfart bgg she wasn't listed for ir but i am sure dogfart booked her months before the shoot date. Edited by - Sammys on 8/22/2017 3:12:51 AM
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Aug 22 2017 : 2:41AM
^^Nonetheless, if she's singling out IR as something that she'll only shoot for certain directors and is not limiting her general b/g bookings in the same manner, then that is something that is not consistent with her more recent comments. In any case, I'm glad that she's shooting IR at all. Hopefully some black guys are in her Hard X showcase. Edited by - misspornUSA on 8/22/2017 2:46:10 AM
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Posted - Aug 22 2017 : 2:45AM
Edited by - Sammys on 8/22/2017 3:17:13 AM
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Posted - Aug 22 2017 : 7:55AM
^^ From what I can understand from her comments and tweets she has made, apparently she thinks not many directors make quality scenes nowadays and looks like she is planning to start shooting mainly for her own site and possibly only for "quality" directors, IR or regardless. Specially more after this Woodman fiasco.
I'm trying to get a focus here, there is a statement by Flash saying that to label anything with IR is downright wrong even though he works basically solely for IR sites , then there's a pornstar who doesn't specify she does interracial in her profile because she shoots with men and women whatever the race , so in her view just GG and BG already implies she would shoot with black men and women. And yet there are some IR fans/watchdogs who keep harassing her because she didn't list IR in her profile even after she commendably explained why she doesn't and even despite all evidence that she in fact did shoot IR material and still does They even call her racist because of that. So if someone tags sex between black and whites interracial it's racist, if you don't it's racist , whatever you do you do it wrong apparently as for LADirect I'm not a fan of them less of all its owner but what being there has to do with the price of the fish? There's a difference between agents maybe in her case, business wise it's the best choice I don't know , what should she do? Go away to worsen her incomes? Let's stay stuck to facts and evidences , she does shoot IR it doesn't matter whether what agent represent her or what's listed in her booking profile. Also Tiffany Watson doesn't have IR listed too and yet she did shoot and probably still shoots more IR scenes than Joseline Kelly who always had IR listed in her book Edited by - LCF on 8/22/2017 9:30:30 AM
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Aug 22 2017 : 11:34AM
^I doubt that the people who are going so far as to harass Lana Rhoades about her decision are paying consumers. I hope that Lana ignores those trolls. Many people believe that Ben English is anti-IR. That isn't a recent belief. Rather, it goes years and years back (you can find it mentioned on various old threads). So if Lana signs to LA Direct and suddenly isn't listed for IR anymore, then of course there are going to be people who connect that to Ben's perceived stance and become suspicious. Maybe Lana would have addressed this differently early on had she been aware of LA Direct's reputation among IR fans. There are all sorts of reasons why a pornstar who is available for IR may or may not be booked for IR regularly. However, if a performer is available for IR and wants to be booked for IR scenes, then it makes sense for her to list IR on her model page, no?
It makes no sense at all if one the girls says: "i don't ike the way the girlsare potrayed in the scenes" or "the way IR schemes is out there" They shoot a scene with Asians and Latinos,do anal, DP, Gangbang, threesome etc name it, are 5-6 years in the business and yet they're not ready? Look at Alexa Grace she has done over 200+ scenes, got 20 IR scenes, she been in the industry only for 3 years Yet girls like Alison Tyler was there like 7 years and has done one IR scene, "to shut everybody up" There is no excuse out there to why they "can't" shoot a IR, there were few agents who never let them shoot a IR scene BUt reasonings like the parents don't like it, is really ridicolous, they are shooting Porn, come on. They're just plain point close-minded.
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Aug 30 2017 : 10:27AM
^My view is that pornstars have been reluctant to say that they are waiting to shoot IR until they can get the best deal or best serve their career. They've been more comfortable giving false excuses, even when those excuses are nonsensical.
^I have no problem with them being truthful about their preferences, it's the ones that use those political campaign style excuses that irk me. - My family said I could have sex for money as a career as long as it is not with black guys - I dont like how smaller studios depict interracial, so I wont shoot interracial for any studios. - I cant handle the size of black guys, they are all 14 in. behemoths. Now excuse me as I have a airtight to shoot - I'd love to shoot with a black guy, I have black friends, but no one will book me even though my rates only triple for interracial - I shot with a black girl or semi-dark latino, that counts as interracial
It seems a lot of the time they are searching for the excuse that will come off as the least offensive and they will run through each of them until one works. When a girl cycles through each one of these excuse IMO they are come off much worse. If you are going to hold out and chose to give a reason then stick to it, if you constantly give the same answer then at least you wont up yourself up to being a liar and phony.
To be fair, likes do not necessarily equal endorsements, but it's not surprising if a performer does believe shooting with the black dude in the industry is degrading:
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Sep 1 2017 : 10:37AM
^To me that belief would be surprising. Years ago many of the most successful gonzo performers were shooting IR. Pornstars who had mainstream recognition like Sasha Grey and Belladonna shot IR. It was already clear then that although IR was something unique to consumers, the shoots weren't more "degrading" than anything else in porn. Today in the Blacked era it's especially silly that pornstars who aren't mentally challenged in some way would persist in the belief that an IR shoot is something exceptional and degrading.
Well, that belief is still there for a few, and it will probably always be there, no matter how many eras there are In this case though, again, a like doesn't necessarily indicate agreement.
^ I have liked Tweets before, too, with which I didn't totally agree, but only partly. One hopes that Elena has done so here as well, because of the "Love you so much" part. Of course, there are tweets I would not have liked no matter how much I like one half of it... because the other part is too wrong. This is such a case.
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Sep 1 2017 : 6:30PM
^Another possibility is that she's just humoring a racist fan in the off chance that he might be a paying customer, but that still doesn't change the fact that she liked a racist tweet. I also recall her making a nonsensical statement in the past in which she declared that if you shoot IR your career ends soon after. Perhaps that was also on Twitter?
There is a third option, which is that some performers literally like every tweet they are mentioned in, no matter what the context of it is. And given that her Twitter feed is a ton of retweets of her mentions, I think she is one of those people.
I guess I need to be clearer about this. There are scripts out there that allow you to like everything you're mentioned in without you having to do anything. It's automatic. Just because "she" liked the tweet doesn't mean "she" has ever even actually seen it.
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Sep 2 2017 : 12:11PM
^I'm open to the possibility that the likes Elena gives are automated and that she's not personally liking tweets. At the same time, liking such a tweet would be consistent with her irrational claim that IR is a career ender. Edited by - misspornUSA on 9/2/2017 12:13:21 PM
^ well that was the most idiotic think anybody could do these days especially in porn where there's an enormous crowd asking you to do just that hence you should figure it'd be hell
The person who tweeted the "degrade" tweet changed his/her her username to "KoshkaLover" and Elena just followed him/her. Now I don't know if Elena saw the "degrade" part of that original tweet or agrees with it, nor do I know that she is aware that she just followed the account that made that tweet.
Seriously guys, what the fuck are you talking about? Ofc IR is degrading, otherwise YOU WOULD NOT BUY IT. The "aesthetically pleasing" argument is laughable: Yeah, I like black on white chromatic contrast, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY it doesn't work if the woman is black and the guy is white... What you crave is a scenario in which a black man "dominates" "overwhelmes" "destroys" a white girl. Even if nothing degrading actually happens it's the narrative behind it that makes it so to the eyes of the buyer. THAT IS RACISM! Not a girl who refuses to do it. You know it and the pornstars know it, they are not stupid! Some are ok with it, some becomes ok with it for a crapload of money, some are not. You can't blame none of them, they all have reasons. And the hypocrisy of using the term interracial, which should be applied to any races and any gender combinations, just for 2 specific races and 2 specific genders combined says it all about the racist idea behind it.
So Extra - review by Sean DPS
Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 5:08PM
