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| misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13 |  Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 1:12AM[Link] |
| misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13 | Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 1:14AM [Link] |
| TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles Deactivated User It just looks and feels so fucking good! 142 Posts 3/16 | Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 1:15AM hahaha people need to pay attention a whole lot more. I Just explained the idea of a counter culture. And do tell, what do you consider gender stereotyping? surely if a female porn star (a person who sleeps with random men on camera for a living) is called a "slut" during a porn shoot, you must forgive me for not ringing Washington D.C?And let me be clear, If I am watching a scene and the male performer begins calling the female performer things such as "stupid fucking worthless piece of shit" .... I do not partake any further. Do you see the clear distinction between calling a pornstar a "whore" or a "slut" and calling a female pornstar a "worthless useless piece of shit"? I detest all porn that has women verbally degrading themselves or saying ultra weird things of that nature. But once again, Its amazing how so many people just don't bother talking about the FEMDOM category, some of which includes females tramping on male performers genitalia while calling them all sorts of names... I guess its that pesky "the women are good" syndrome again ;)[Link] |
| TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles Deactivated User It just looks and feels so fucking good! 142 Posts 3/16 | Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 1:16AM [Link] |
| TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles Deactivated User It just looks and feels so fucking good! 142 Posts 3/16 | Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 1:21AM hahahahaa where is your outrage for females trampling on the male genitalia of their male performers? Where is your outrage for women inflicting pain and calling their male counterpart all sorts of derogatory names? It doesn't seem to be such a big deal to you? I really do wonder why.... Indeed, people love to have their cake and eat it too, I'm sorry to inform you, quantum physics says we'll never get to do that. When you eat your cake, the atoms that make up that cake are now inside the atoms that make up your stomach. This is how the world works. Edited by - TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles on 3/13/2016 1:22:59 AM [Link] |
| misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13 | Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 1:27AM If in a raceplay scene a black man is depicted as neither a criminal or as subhuman, but is referred to as a nigger by his scene partner, do you have a problem with that? Edited by - misspornUSA on 3/13/2016 1:28:07 AM [Link] |
| misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13 | Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 1:29AM [Link] |
Mister Fahrenheit  All-Star Member Meh 4655 Posts 10/13 | Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 1:31AM [Link] |
| TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles Deactivated User It just looks and feels so fucking good! 142 Posts 3/16 | Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 1:45AM...In fact, if you go back and look over all my replies I never once said IR hard raceplay "shouldn't be produced at all" as you put it. I said I was against it and happy to see the medium moving to a more natural place without the hard race play. At no point does that statement contain a proposition that the material should not be produced at all. I'm happy less of it is being produced. These 2 are not the same thing you see... Go back and look. I say I am pleased with where IR is heading, and then laid out my reasons against hard raceplay. So I'm afraid I have no idea what you are talking about at this time............. I am against racial stereotyping. At no point did I say any fetish that I'm not into should not be made, in that case, it'd be a whole lot more than just racial stereotyping not being made ;) Its actually quite simple really. I don't like black men being depicted as subhuman and white women being depicted as these dainty victims of the black monster thug, what is the problem with that simple cognition?? Edited by - TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles on 3/13/2016 1:47:30 AM [Link] |
| TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles Deactivated User It just looks and feels so fucking good! 142 Posts 3/16 | Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 1:53AM I came in the thread and talked about why I didn't like hard raceplay because of nasty negative racial stereotypes especially related to black males. YOU come in and ask me why don't I feel the same way about gender stereotyping, to which I easily shut down your bizarre question by explaining to you the equilibrium and counter culture which exists in porn. Including describing female performers who inflict pain on male performers and call them abusive and derogatory names...by explaining this to you, it should be clear the FEMDOM is a counter culture to the misogyny. I went even further and explain I am against verbal degradation of women and rape scenarios. I said all that to outline where I stood in gender stereotyping (that's what you asked me about by the way...) Having done all that, you made a flippant remark about my views on gender stereotyping, to which I asked YOU where YOUR outrage was on males being subjected to genital mutilation by females? Of course, I got no reply Not very surprising...You finally came back with the remark in the quote, "When did I say that the stereotyping of women in porn was an issue for me?" - this remark leaves me flabbergasted and discombobulated. Firstly I never asked you about stereotyping of women LOL I asked you where your fake outrage was for men having their genitals stamped on?? secondly, If it isn't an issue for you, why did you bring it up in the first place?I really do worry... [Link] |
| misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13 | Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 3:00AM I understood your questions about my "outrage" over femdom to imply that I was outraged about the stereotyping of women in porn but fine with femdom. Edited by - misspornUSA on 3/13/2016 3:01:31 AM [Link] |
| Mister Fahrenheit All-Star Member Meh 4655 Posts 10/13 | Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 3:19AM Edited by - Mister Fahrenheit on 3/13/2016 3:21:22 AM [Link] |
| LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 5:56AM [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 9:11AM Funny that the actors improved his films by NOT following his direction and so introducing an ambiguity to what he seems to have intended to be more one dimensionsal films. At times Lee's best films seem to be made DESPITE him and his 'vision' rather than because of it. Also Sciorra, Rosie Perez and even his sister (!) also tell of how poorly Lee handled shooting their sex scenes. [Link] |
| Melvyn Senior Member 2797 Posts 12/12 | Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 2:31PM But you're equivocating that with... black men portraying themselves as gangstas and thugs, of their own volition? I don't know where you are getting animals from. When do you see them portrayed as animals in porn? The only reference in this discussion that comes close to that is in the acknowledgment that Prince proudly proclaims himself the king silverback. That is his own choice. You're trying to make everything degrading and offensive. But this is these dudes personal choices. It's like you're deadset on taking away their power or self-agency. You're trying to make them into victims. I'm sorry man, but these false equivalences do not work, and you're just reaching to extreme lengths right now. [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 2:45PM Another 70s xxx film that deals with racially loaded material is the infamous Hot Summer in the City where a group of black militants kidnap and repeatedly rape a rich white girl. One of them is even mentally disabled (apparently for real). It is pretty vile (more for the disabled guy than anything else) yet apparently Tarantino has declared it his favourite xxx film and screened it publically. [Link] |
| Melvyn Senior Member 2797 Posts 12/12 | Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 2:52PM You're in such deep denial to act like gangsters OR gangstas aren't both glamorized. It's the same damn effect. I love how you're trying to equivocate Nazis and the KKK with common gangsters/thugs, but now you are trying to act like there's a huge moral distinction between Italian gangsters and black gangstas. You're all over the place. The Nazis and KKK practiced genocide and terrorism against innocent people. No one but racists nowadays think that shit is cool. Gangsters/thugs regardless of race are seen as cool by many people, even those who know objectively that gangbanging is fucked up and dopedealing is often predatory. But many people do have romanticized notions of outlaws and gangsters. If you don't see the huge distinction here, then you are blind. But let's just assume for your sake, so you can have an argument here, that indeed Nazis and the KKK are morally equivalent with gangstas/thugs. That is what you are contending. Ok, so if that was the case, and the latter is truly as evil and heinous as the former, then why would so many black males be so proud to portray themselves that way? Do you understand what you are saying? You're saying Snoop Dogg, Ice-T, Tupac, Biggie Smalls, etc were happy and proud to portray themselves as something as evil as Nazis. That is just astonishingly fatuous. You sound like them fringe right wingers who try their best to vilify black men as the biggest threat facing society. How ironic is that? [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 3:00PM I think both sides are making well reasoned points. But we do seem to be arguing more in circles now. I think it is significant that the posters who have the issue with this kind of raceplay are apparently from their posts black males. I think their perspective, thoughts and feelings on the matter deserve respect and to not be dismissed out of hand. Edited by - BlackSix on 3/13/2016 3:01:56 PM [Link] |
| Melvyn Senior Member 2797 Posts 12/12 | Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 3:30PM I bet next you're going to move the goalposts again saying, yeah but the whole nation doesn't love and admire them! Well no shit! The whole nation does not love and admire Scarface or the Godfather either. Many condemn that type of cultural glamorizing, and just like I pointed out the allure and glamor attached with outlaws which goes back to the tales of notorious pirates, and certainly further back than that, there have always also been critics. That there has been criticism does not deny the fact that there has also been romanticism in popular culture. What is your point now? You're now mad that fake black "gangstas" don't seem to be as beloved as fake white "gangsters"? Is that what you're beefing about? But weren't you just saying how much worse gangstas and thugs are? Weren't you just equating them with Nazis? So in that case, shouldn't you be happy that black gangstas are condemned more by the mainstream? That's not even true either. In terms of popular culture, the most admired and celebrated criminal personas in the last 25 years have been propagated by black artists. But you want to blame the FBI for that. Man, you can imagine a world where the FBI does not exist. Go and do it. Black gangster rap would still be enormously successful in the 90s just how rock and roll blew up in the 50s. People would still idolize all these rappers with musical and criminal records, even if they are fabricated. The facts remain which contradict your narrative. Common thugs and gangsters are not as evil as Nazis, despite your labored efforts to equate them. And gangsta/thug personas have been glamorized and romanticized and celebrated for over two decades now. Not just by any particular race, but by all. They are popular with black, white, Hispanic, asian, etc. We have an entire generation that grew up idolizing them. You're trying to act like it doesn't exist. You're in some kind of alternate reality. Have you written any essays or columns about why Snoop Dogg, Dr Dre, Ice Cube, Ice-T, Tupac, Biggie, Jay-Z, T.I., et al need to be condemned because you think what they do is as bad as glamorizing Nazis and the KKK? That would be fascinating I'm sure. No conspirators in the history of the world could ever take credit for the popularity of such artists. It's decided by the people. All told, there must be 50 million fans of that wave of music in America alone. You're trying to act like they are not celebrated and idolized, just like you're trying to act like Jake Steed, Shane D, et al had no power or control over their behavior. And the reason you rely so much on the notion that they all have no power is because that's how you push the victimization narrative. Because to the extent which they have power, that diminishes the notion of victimization in terms of how they are portrayed. It's no longer about others portraying them, but about how they portray themselves. Bring it home to the topic at hand, this is all about respecting how people wish to portray themselves. I respect Jake Steed, Shane, Richard, Boz, etc. You apparently do not. We can agree to disagree and just attribute it to taste. But you really go off the rails when you want to blame everything else in the world, dredging up false equivalences with the Nazis, blaming government conspiracies for the decisions of these pornstars. It doesn't hold water. Quit vilifying and politicizing issues which are simply a matter of taste. Porn is supposed to be about liberating, not castigating -- even when it involves bondage. Because some people are simply into BDSM stuff. [Link] |
| TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles Deactivated User It just looks and feels so fucking good! 142 Posts 3/16 | Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 3:45PMBlack coons trying to make money...yes, what's your point. it doesn't make it right. Just like if a bunch of german males decided to create a porn flick where they play Nazi's and absue Jewish girls, it doesn't make it right or culturally sensitive to do such a thing. It can come across as offensive. But they could decide to do it out of their own volition because there is a market for it. There is a market for hard raceplay in IR porn, so not surprised a bunch of coons decided to exploit it. Next you'll be telling me the sun will come up tomorrow.Learn how to read. When you portray someone with animalistic / savage instincts or behavior as many hard raceplay IR films do, you are essentially portraying a person as an animal. Come on you're more intelligent than that. Surely?Bunch of black savage gang members kidnap white innocent little females, then proceed to somehow force innocent white female to have sex with them. Seems savage and animalistic to me. You can continue to ignore the obvious. Your intent is clear, you want to hear black men being called the N word because it stopped in the mainstream a few years ago, admit it.Talk is cheap, just prove my points wrong. Your lecture is not required. Once again, I am telling you coons will be coons. A black man decided to portray himself in a way which ostensibly projects a negative light on black people, towards institutionally racist white america is simply a black coon doing what he does best. No different from black people who go on the local news to intentionally say silly, stupid and ultra weird things on camera so they can be the next big meme on the internet. People do things for a paycheck, doesn't mean they are not doing harm in some way or another. Coonery is coonery. And there is a market for this "silverback" style gangsta porn, so they make it. of course you can never ignore the fact it projects a negative image to establishment white america. who are always looking for a way to further marginalize black people in the media. [Link] |
| TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles Deactivated User It just looks and feels so fucking good! 142 Posts 3/16 | Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 3:57PM Black so-called "ghetto" gangstas have not received this treatment. denying this is denying reality. You might as well deny the laws of gravity. FACTS are facts, the fact is America looks DOWN upon so-called hood rats or "gangstas" and it looks SYMPATHETICALLY to Mafiosi. I will not explain this again. Do not conflate these 2 things. Dope dealers and black ghetto thugs are not viewed in the same romantic way as Italian Mobsters. THE FUNNY THING IS YOU DAMN WELL KNOW THAT.UTTER RUBBISHThat's your lack of reading skills again..........Nazi's are a subset of German history and culture. They may not like it but its there. KKK clansmen were and are a subset of White America, it may not be proud of it, but its real and its there. Black thugs, dope fiends, drug dealers, gangstas etc. are a very real subset of black culture in America, its real and its there. All these are negative portrayals of the group. Why is it okay for black males to be depicted in such a way, but not okay for Germans or White males to be depicted in a negative way? yet you want to hear racist language on set...hahahahaMORE LIES As if the mainstream media's portrayals of black thugs, people like Bill O'Reilly as if such people actually think black gangsta's are cool. You're talking about the Italian mob again. What a joke. The reality is most people think black gangstas are stupid uneducated lazy foolsYou are obviously the one who is blind. You're being systematically deconstructed and you don't like it.This is such an unbelievable ridiculous comment I don't know where to begin. do you have any understanding of supply and demand? do you have any realization that if someone can make money by selling a negative image of their culture they might be inclined to do so? How hard is that to grasp? black males sing about shooting guns, dealing drugs and macking hoes, because guess what? it makes them money. Your question is childish and asinine. They are happy to portray themselves in that light because it makes them money as there is a market for such material. Please speed up.??? What a bizarre comment LMAO [Link] |
| Melvyn Senior Member 2797 Posts 12/12 | Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 4:07PM Don't you think it's also unfair how not only do these guys get attacked by racist whites who accost and denigrate and attack them, for no reason other than their being black males in the spotlight of adult entertainment, but now they have to be attacked by you? It seems like their rights and freedom of expression are being whittled down from opposite sides by people who simply cannot tolerate them.And you know that is not remotely comparable. Genocide is not on the level of common outlaws. Enough.Have you not seen Cuckoldsessions? Are you kidding? Are you telling us you would rather be the cuck with panties on his head, saturated in the nut of a bigger man? Easily the most humiliated demographic on that site is the white guys who are emasculated to the extreme. What about Kink.com? Have you never heard of them either? They do similar femdom/cuckold scenarios as well, even some with raceplay where the white males are at the bottom of the totem pole. What about CumEatingCuckolds? They actually force white guys to suck up the nut of the alpha male from the female's pussy. Dude, once again you prove to be incredibly myopic in your concerns. You're making everything about your victimization, your oppression, like everything which does not appeal to your taste must therefore be a deliberate offense targeting you personally. The world does not revolve around you or your identity politics. You're just going to have to accept the fact like everyone else that most of the world may not be totally in sync with your tastes or interests. We all accept this here. This is a civil and tolerant community. As long as people aren't attacking others or harassing or imposing regulation, we get along pretty well here.I've been on record here in this thread repeatedly saying as long as the parties involved are consenting and approve of what they are getting into, and it's not breaking any laws, then it should be tolerated. I'm pretty sure 99% of society would agree. But you don't? If some people want to do their Nazi or KKK themed porn fantasy, then so be it. There are plenty of jewish females in porn, e.g. Sara Jay. If she wanted to do a very dark and twisted scenario wherein she portrays herself as a jewish damsel being victimized by a villainous SS officer, then that is her decision. I respect your opinion and that you may not like every aspect of IR porn. But you must respect the rights of others to portray or be portrayed how they please. You still have to respect Shane Diesel's and other black performers' right to be on whatever side of the raceplay themes they choose to engage in. And for the record, it goes both ways. I remember in those HushHush scenes how Shane and others would tell the girls to use the N-word. But then Shane and others would also appear in stuff like Cuckoldsessions, where they command a different type of respect, and they will degrade the white guys. That may shock and disturb you, and you may not comprehend how this can be tolerated, but it all comes down to respecting their rights. When you say people shouldn't do that, it borders on censorship. It seems that if you had the authority, you would prohibit these things. I hope that's not the case, but you are coming off as strongly anti-liberty. [Link] |
| Melvyn Senior Member 2797 Posts 12/12 | Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 4:11PM Newsflash for you, there also exists porn that degrades white guys. In fact, it seems that the majority of IR these days is geared towards that whenever white guys are mentioned. Your whole grievance is predicated on this notion that it's only one-sided and always supporting your victimization narrative. But there are countless examples of white guys being humiliated. You really are in a bubble, so like I said, it's laughable when you lecture others on what all type of porn is out there. [Link] |
| TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles Deactivated User It just looks and feels so fucking good! 142 Posts 3/16 | Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 4:13PM I decided to respond to this bit because you claim porn is about liberating and not castigating. You say its simply a matter of taste. How convenient of course for you to make such statements. Meanwhile............in reality, we see that porn studio's who had an idea to perform some KKK clansmen material, quickly found they couldn't pursue those "tastes"...studio's who tried some Nazi material quickly found they couldn't explore their version of "liberation". Yet all these are subsets of the overarching culture. there are still Neo-Nazi's in Germany as we speak. All of a sudden DVDs come up missing, websites seem to go on walkabouts. People just can't find this stuff.....it seems when you portray other peoples as a negative element of their society they get uppity and take those videos down. But when it comes to black people humiliating themselves by portraying themselves as a creature of the crack cocaine epidemic which specifically targeted black neighborhoods in the 80s (a lot of it brought in by the CIA during Iran-Contra, all declassified) That's allowed and perfectly fine. You seem to have comprehension issues, so you're going to bring up the fact black males are direction these moves too. Guess what? I already told you where there's a market to make money for something, people will do it regardless. There is a market for hard raceplay so some black males did it. Coonery will never leave this planet. What else is new? The sun will rise tomorrow also. It still doesn't make it right or acceptable for the continued portrayal of black males as stupid animalistic criminal thugs who coerce or sometimes force innocent white females into sex. This is a white supremacy idea. This is an idea that spreads from the social Darwinism which engulfed America and brought us all sorts of nonsense including Human zoo's in America. No other group can portray this same dynamic (Nazi on Jew, KKK on black female etc). Blacks are a victim of dehumanization for over 400 years in America, and you think its okay for them to continue to be portrayed as animalistic criminals and thugs? And you think its okay for the "N word" to be banded around the stuido set, but its not okay to use the word "Kike" for some reason???  But I get it. My bad !!! You want to hear more black males being called "N*ggers" on set, never mind the fact that 30 Years Ago Philadelphia Police Bombed an all Black Neighborhood and destroyed over 60 homes. Race relations in America are still fractured, but you want to jack off to white women using the "N word" and that seems to be what is most important [Link] |
| Melvyn Senior Member 2797 Posts 12/12 | Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 4:20PM None of that supports your argument. It supports the idea that people complain about other people's taste and think that gives them the right to force action.LMAO fucking seriously, he doesn't get it. He really truly doesn't get it. Outrage brigade confirmed... Edited by - Melvyn on 3/13/2016 4:21:26 PM [Link] |
| TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles Deactivated User It just looks and feels so fucking good! 142 Posts 3/16 | Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 4:28PM What a time and place to be, a world were people think they understand things, but really don't have a single clue. Not even one clue. [Link] |
| Melvyn Senior Member 2797 Posts 12/12 | Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 4:30PM You're relying on false equivalences and straw man arguments. And conspiracies which have no relevance to how black males choose to portray themselves. [Link] |
| TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles Deactivated User It just looks and feels so fucking good! 142 Posts 3/16 | Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 4:35PM who cares what you said? I'm TELLING you its off limits because when studios try to create such material, their DVDs come up missing...What a black coon decides to do is and always will be none of my business. I don't care too much for it. You should know that by now. A simple understanding of supply and demand explains why a black man degrades himself to do things to further the ideas of white supremacy. Not hard to figure out. Its why gangsta rap which is so damaging to black society, keeps being produced. Its a money thing. Simple as that. The black man in America is hardly in full control of his own destiny. You and I both know this to be true, 1 of us chooses to admit it. But that's okay. Of course to you its conspiracies, to any knowledgeable researcher this is just reality. Soon it will be a conspiracy that the sun came up every morning. Edited by - TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles on 3/13/2016 4:36:30 PM [Link] |
| Melvyn Senior Member 2797 Posts 12/12 | Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 5:10PM Not only are you telling them they cannot be called what they want to, that they cannot do what they want to, you are insulting them to boot.You do understand that conspiracy is not mutually exclusive with reality, don't you? From your response, it seems you think for something to be a conspiracy it must be bogus. I never said those conspiracies were untrue. I have long been familiar with them. I'm trying to sum up the disagreements here. I think that people should be allowed to portray themselves as they wish. You don't. I think in the realm of fantasies, anything is fair game. You don't. I think in the domain of a regulated porn industry, as long as the participating parties are consenting and the activity is legal, it's fair. You don't. I think Nazis and the KKK are not equivalent with common gangsters. You think they are. I think government conspiracy does not explain why several black male pornstars enjoy the fetishes they do. You think it does. I think that BDSM in porn can be accepted as raceplay can also be, with the approval of performers. You don't. I think performers can individually determine what they are comfortable with, and this is ok. You don't. Seriously, this would be like going into a discussion about BDSM and saying it's wrong and should stop because one feels it dehumanizes people and portrays them as slaves and masters. Because, like any compassionate human being, one finds slavery to be abhorrent. So that means people should not be allowed to have their own fantasies? Of course not. [Link] |
| TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles Deactivated User It just looks and feels so fucking good! 142 Posts 3/16 | Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 5:43PM BlackSix gave you examples of films which were made about such fantasies, and they all came up missing...I'm telling you its not allowed because of empirical pragmatic reality where i can point to examples of such "fantasies" being attempted and suddenly the studio's get a lot of heat. that lets me know its not acceptable. You will of course intentionally misunderstand this point yet again.Nice little red herring there. Seeing as I never said it shouldn't be allowed. But merely argued a case against it. I keep stating I am pleased IR is progressing the way it is. You love to put words in peoples mouths i'm afraid. You systematically fail to comprehend my point due to failures in logical reasoning and understanding of economics (supply and demand). Children have already understood my point. I already explained to you where there is money to be made, people will try to make that money. Black rappers denegrade females and promote drugs, not because they want to, but because there is money in doing so. Black pornstars knew there was money in acting a fool for white CEO's. So that's what they did. Of course, some black pornstars are just uneducated and don't know any better.Due to your reading comprehension weaknesses I have to address you in a certain way. the general public hears conspiracy and things "nutcase fantasy". Of course, I assume you are a member of this general public way of thinking, not least due to your responses which have been less than articulate.I am happy IR hard raceplay is slowly dying away. Yes indeed.Obviously in an ideal world this would be the case, I am happy to see studio's are producing less raceplay in IR films. So that black people can get on par with other groups who do not seem to allow these so called "fantasies" to exist for themselves. You claim everything is "fair game", patently we can see that is false, because no other group is subjugating themselves to negative portrayal in porn but black people. So obviously everything isn't "fair game", pretending it to be so, is like a child pretending their finger is a gun. It's fun for a while, but reality must persist.I would make it clear, I have never said this. This was a particularly nice strawman argument. Keep it coming  What a nice 3rd grader level of understanding you display, hahaha psuedo-intellectual all the way. Obviously the point is lost on you, something about pearls and swine? Clearly, I must try 1 more time. Nazi's and KKK are negative aspects of not just German and white American history, but are on-going subcultures of both groups. the KKK still exists, and Neo-Nazi's still persist. Black gangbanging, dope dealing, crack addicts, hustlers, dope fiends, gangsta's and thugs are a negative aspect, a sort of creature of the crack cocaine epidemic targeted on black neighborhoods by the CIA and the FBI in the 80s. Only a childlike mind cannot grasp what I am saying. I am telling you some negative subcultures are not displayed in porn, the only one that consistently is displayed is race-based and its this hard raceplay IR. Hence I am against it entirely. Of course, you will not understand what I just wrote. Asinine statement with so many false propositions within it. Clearly never really paying attention. I explained supply and demand. You might want to look into some of that economics stuff. It's not dangerous. I promise ;)I have made no mention of BDSM and will ignore it. As far as this statement goes, I have said I detest hard raceplay, even with the approval of the performers. That does not mean it cannot be allowed to go on. Obviously it does. Thankfully we see less and less of it.This would be the case in an ideal world. Thankfully BLACKED continues to take IR to a whole new level. Making things more realistic and everyone else will likely follow.??? More mentioning of BDSM which might indicate ADHD. As I haven't strayed onto those pastures. This is a  and a complete and utter waste of my time.I will end my involvement by saying, the future looks bright indeed. Clearly we can see the strides that have been made in IR indicate a future with less and less hard raceplay. Obviously as cultures continue to race-mix and as people begin to grow spiritually and become more educated and realize that we are all human, IR as a category will ultimately eventually disappear entirely. 100 years from now it is unlikely to exist in any form. We can see that no matter what side of the argument you are on, the days of hard raceplay are well and truly numbered. This of course remains a wonderful thing for me to behold. And nobody can even argue this point with an semblance of reality. Arguing this point would be surreal and phantasmagorical in nature. You just can't argue with it. At some stage on this planet, IR will not exist which certainly means the hard raceplay will no longer exist. So I win in the end With that said, I shall derail the thread no further. It is inconsiderate of myself. Have a nice day to all. [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 5:47PM To say that black gangsters who help bring in and profit from the selling of drugs that have brought so much death and misery to the black lower class communities of the US are in no significant way better than the KKK seems at least a reasonable supposition. Those who pretend to be those gangsters to sell that image back to the black community and sell records to a white audience who are having their prejudices confirmed certainly are not beyond criticism, particularly from those within the black community. Also in terms of gangster rap I'd recommend Tricia Rose's excellent The Hip Hop Wars: What We Talk About When We Talk About Hip Hip for a critique of the misogyny, homo-hating and materialism of mainstream rap and how it has been exploited by large music corporations to sell the music to white audiences with the collusion of some black men and women to the disadvantage of the majority of the black community. Edited by - BlackSix on 3/13/2016 5:50:17 PM [Link] |
| whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11 | Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 7:42PM I want to start this out by saying that I'm not actually a big fan of raceplay (even some of the milder stuff I've witnessed), and I've said that multiple times on this forum, including in this thread. I'm arguably someone that Melvyn would call a "social justice warrior". I'm a fan of Anita Sarkeesian (or more specifically, I'm a fan of her Tropes vs. Women series dealing with video games). This isn't me coming from an angle of something I personally want to see. The reason I called your argument a strawman is because you're building up this idea of what hard raceplay is that isn't necessarily what people are arguing that they want to see. On top of that, you're projecting your issues with it onto the people that are making it and the people that are watching it. Hard raceplay doesn't have to be any more animalistic than your typical gonzo scene. It doesn't have to "show a monstrous black male who is a combination of a dope-dealer and an ape". I'd argue personally that it doesn't even have to have "an innocent little white female who gets duped, or tricked, kidnapped or in some way forced to have sex with the black ... male" either. She can go into it fully desiring to have sex with the male in question, but using the opportunity to emphasize his race whenever possible. Hard raceplay doesn't technically have to have a scenario to it at all. Just a very heavy emphasis on the race of the performers, which you can do without setting up a story behind it. And now to my real point: The truth of the matter is that sexual fantasies don't have to be (and honestly, very often are not) politically correct. And seeing as one of the best things about porn is being able to watch (or as a performer, live out) your sexual fantasies, that means porn doesn't have to be (and usually isn't) politically correct either. Like some of the other people in this thread, I basically equate fantasies with hard raceplay to dom/sub or BDSM fantasies. Both aren't for everyone, but both very obviously have their place in the world. There doesn't have to be anything wrong with the people making it, and there doesn't have to be anything wrong with the people consuming it. I believe you should be aware of the consequences of what you put out there, but if you're fine with that, it doesn't make you an evil person. It's just entertainment, at the end of the day. And as to why the other things you're asking about don't exist: It's not because people would be offended by it. It's not because it would be protested. It's because of the belief that it wouldn't sell, plain and simple. They aren't refusing to make Nazi porn because of the ADL, but because they think the investment isn't worth it. Same with KKK porn (though arguably, sites like Ghetto Gaggers do exist, and are about as close as you can get without actually wearing hoods). Hard BM/WF raceplay hasn't gone down to where it was because it wasn't selling (because it was), but because something else is selling better, and the current producers of IR porn are deciding to chase that money instead (which is a perfectly valid thing for them to do). There's a difference there. And real talk? I can make an argument right now that the de-emphasis on hard raceplay isn't why Blacked sells better than most of the IR that came before it. The reason it sells better is because of the de-emphasis on the gonzo style of shooting porn, which is something that has absolutely been making a comeback over the past few years with sites like X-Art. Which is why I said I'd like to see the reaction a site that features hard raceplay but also a higher-end aesthetic, to see how correct my hypothesis actually is. [Link] |
| misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13 | Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 7:52PM Edited by - misspornUSA on 3/13/2016 7:53:00 PM [Link] |
| FlacFan Deactivated User 10088 Posts 8/15 | Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 7:45AM |
| Ben Mockridge Deactivated User 382 Posts 9/15 | Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 10:07AM The allusion that GGG is somehow a racist or kkk site seems to me to be the kind of lazy arguement usually aired by people who havnt seen much GGG nor actually given the subject much thought. (no offence whatsaphone) Ive watched alot of GGG and for me it is celebration of black womanhood with a little playfiul and always good humoured raceplay thrown in. I have never heard the wprd nigger coon or any other racially insulting terms used nor have ever detected that vibe at all. It should be recognised that While its true that Jimmy isnt averse to calling the girls morons etc etc he isnt reticent in giving girls recognition and respect where fitting , nor is he unknown to be wanting to have a bit of the ass in question himself. Here is Sarays who Jimmy calls a good girl for not whoring and working in a telepjone exchange -  So i refute the general racist notion. And moreso in the context of porn for sexual gratification arnt kkk members more likely to go for white porn with white chiks ? Id think black chiks would be the last thing an upstanding kkk member would want to be caught watching. Unless they have a secret craving for black chiks in which case it would be like a homophobe secretly jaking off to gay porn . [Link] |
| FlacFan Deactivated User 10088 Posts 8/15 | Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 10:28AM I'd tend to think seeing any race other than white people fucking would make a true believer puke. Silicone Is Evil, Razors Aren't Much Better [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 10:47AM [Link] |
| misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13 | Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 10:51AM [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 10:59AM [Link] |
| Ben Mockridge Deactivated User 382 Posts 9/15 | Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 11:06AM I see it that going out of your way to intereact with these women in this way (although it is admittedly an unconventional way) is symptomatic of a love of these woman. I realise that this may appear somewhat counterintuitive to the obvious degradation dynamic thats going on on the surface. But consider it like this - in rough play where a guy roughs women up is that a display that the guy loves women or loathes women ? [Link] |
| misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13 | Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 11:22AM [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 11:30AM I understand that some porn is about degradation (Max, Tusion) and some people like that and I personally don't usually have an issue with it even if I don't want to watch it, but I think the intention to degrade is pretty clear. I also wish a lot of this stuff was better made. Although I wonder if the amateurish and cheap vibe isn't part of the attraction for many of the viewers. [Link] |
| Ben Mockridge Deactivated User 382 Posts 9/15 | Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 11:41AM Seeking women out and sharing their space and intimacy in however bizaare a manifestation does not indicate misogny (i know you never said it did but im just reiterating) it indicates a love of women - albeit possibly a slightly disfunctional appreciation of women. In the same way as a compulsion for roughing women up might similarly be viewed as a slightly disfunctional manifestation of love for women. I have watched plenty of Dukes stuff , mainly GGG and i get a strong sense of cameradery and affinity for the women. [Link] |
| misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13 | Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 11:56AM I do think that the cheap look is part of the allure for some members. Edited by - misspornUSA on 3/14/2016 11:58:01 AM [Link] |
| A-ten Deactivated User 581 Posts 8/07 | Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 12:21PM [Link] |
| FlacFan Deactivated User 10088 Posts 8/15 | Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 2:36PM See also: Meatholes and Pornstar Punishment Silicone Is Evil, Razors Aren't Much Better [Link] |
| misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13 | Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 3:19PM [Link] |
| Ben Mockridge Deactivated User 382 Posts 9/15 | Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 3:55PM I mean guys are not going to serially seek out and pay women to intereact with them unless they are into women. However bizaare it may seem they are into women - if they wernt into women they would be doing it to guys. As Flacfan said this isnt about rape this is about choosing which women you are actively going to seek out and pay for their services - a kkk guy may rape black women but when it comes to paying for womens sexual services logic would suggest that hes going to go for the white chik. I guess your point is because the aim is to put the girls through the trial and test their limits without them enjoying it its bad - maybe - i just think the girls choose to be their and accept the challenge , the atmosphere seems quite light hearted so as long as the girls are cool with it i dont see the harm. [Link] |
| misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13 | Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 4:06PM EDIT: I haven't speculated in my comments about whether it is "good" or "bad" for Skywalker to present his work in the way that he does. Edited by - misspornUSA on 3/14/2016 4:10:08 PM [Link] |
| FlacFan Deactivated User 10088 Posts 8/15 | Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 4:26PM With few exceptions, I can't recall anyone with any type of agenda {other than getting laid and making money} producing porn. It's the outside idiots that fuck shit up. And I always thought Pornstar Punishment was far more mean spirited. Kink IMO has been about the girls fantasies. PP was about demeaning them. Edit: Is there/Has there been "agenda porn"? Silicone Is Evil, Razors Aren't Much Better Edited by - FlacFan on 3/14/2016 4:31:59 PM [Link] |
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