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misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 12:47PM ^I know you're only speaking about your personal experience, but you spoke in more general terms earlier so I just wanted to make sure that whites weren't all lumped into the category of "indifference." I haven't been to a single protest march against police terror in which I was the only white face. Far from it. Bates is calling TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles a "scholar" of black history for knowing about Kush, which I first read about as an adolescent. I know about Egypt's 25th dynasty. These two are characterizing anyone who doesn't agree with their views as ignorant, uncaring racists, which isn't the truth at all. [Link]
Jedi Master Bates Deactivated User 383 Posts 9/11	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 12:55PM Melvyn wrote: Jedi Master Bates wrote: Melvyn wrote: TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles wrote: Never mind the fact their forefathers never had to endure 400 years of dehumanization and slavery Click to expand You do understand that said dehumanization and slavery didn't start in America, right? Slavery was a thriving, economy-driving industry originating in and pervading throughout Africa, not just from coast to coast, but also spanned continents for almost 1,000 years before the first slaves were brought to the Americas. Dredging up history only to the point which it is convenient to you does not make for a compelling argument. If you want to go back that far, then why not keep going? World history doesn't start simply where it becomes convenient to your narrative. But none of that is an answer for the plain and simple fact that some people are into masochism. Some people are into degradation. It's just like BDSM. It's just like women who like being called bitch and slut and aggressively fucked up the butt. It's just like men who like being cucked. Some guys like having their nuts trampled. All of this would exist regardless of any episodes in history you want to refer to. All of it. Click to expand "whataboutism" does not excuse a behavior. Also, slavery in the ancient world was more akin to indentured servitude. I've seen people try to deflect, when faced with the subject of the trans atlantic slave trade, by citing slavery in africa. Slaves in africa were usually POWs who eventually integrated into their new society. It was not unusual at all for a slave owner to free and marry a slave. One of the things that was so unique about the trans atlantic slave trade, was the fact that the dehumanization of the enslaved was central in its practice. Slaves in antiquity were often educated right along side the children of the master. Enslaved africans in the TAS were killed if it was discovered that they could read even a little. They weren't allowed to even groom themselves or marry. They were cut off from their history and any knowledge of it was denied to them as well as europeans. This is how even to this day, if you say "Egyptians were Black" a person who's knows absolutely shit about ancient egypt, will debate you till their fingers fall off. If people would actually open a book once they graduate high school, they wouldn't do such silly things like try compare slavery in antiquity to the TAS trade. Of course, that attempted deflection is a prime example of the mentioned "white fragility". When confronted with the disgraceful history of this country, your response is to turn to "whataboutism" as if to say "well we weren't the only ones so...we weren't so bad.". Well you're wrong. Americans need to own up to their fucked up history. Its the mature thing to do. Wait till you really start reading the journals of slave masters and of columbus.......... oh and the native americans did not come to this continent by walking across a fucking glacier. Edited by - Jedi Master Bates on 3/15/2016 12:47:29 AM Click to expand You've got a few hours of education to catch up on. See the links I posted a few comments back about slavery. Click to expand You posted a wikipedia link as scholarship............. Also, you're still applying "whataboutism" in regards to the TAS trade. So here is what i understand. You don't find anything wrong with a site called "ghettogaggers.com" that features almost if not entirely, black women. You don't see how that perpetuates a negative image of black people in america. There is nothing more you and I need to discuss. [Link]
Ben Mockridge Deactivated User 382 Posts 9/15	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 1:13PM @ Misspo - Rest assured you have made your point that you are as equally (if not more) passionate about the problems of the black race as Tasty and Jedi. [Link]
Jedi Master Bates Deactivated User 383 Posts 9/11	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 1:15PM misspornUSA wrote: ^I know you're only speaking about your personal experience, but you spoke in more general terms earlier so I just wanted to make sure that whites weren't all lumped into the category of "indifference." I haven't been to a single protest march against police terror in which I was the only white face. Far from it. Bates is calling TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles a "scholar" of black history for knowing about Kush, which I first read about as an adolescent. I know about Egypt's 25th dynasty. These two are characterizing anyone who doesn't agree with their views as ignorant, uncaring racists, which isn't the truth at all. Click to expand actually, i was calling tasty a scholar of human history. I'm glad you first read about Kush as an adolescent, but your average american has never even heard of it. Your average american thinks that europeans were basically the only ones to sail the high seas, when they were actually the last to start doing so. Your average American is completely unaware of actual American history, not to mention human history outside of the eurocentric curriculums found in our public school system. I'm almost curious as to where you read about Kush as an adolescent and who pointed you in that direction. Especially since most people call it "nubia". To set the record straight, we have been very clear in our posts. Hard race playing in porn is contributing to a society wide trend of portraying black people as savage or animalistic. If a person can see a site called "ghettogaggers" which features only black women, and think "there's nothing wrong". That person is indeed, indifferent to the issue of a continued negative narrative of black people in porn/entertainment. You disagree. You think that a person can take in images that constantly paint a race of people as criminals,convicts, etc. , yet remain unaffected by it. Regardless of the fact that reality strongly suggests otherwise. Edited by - Jedi Master Bates on 3/15/2016 1:17:09 PM Edited by - Jedi Master Bates on 3/15/2016 1:17:42 PM [Link]

DiamondJackman Deactivated User Straight From My Brown Balls, Using Good Pussy 501 Posts 10/15	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 1:30PM misspornUSA wrote: ^I know you're only speaking about your personal experience, but you spoke in more general terms earlier so I just wanted to make sure that whites weren't all lumped into the category of "indifference." I haven't been to a single protest march against police terror in which I was the only white face. Far from it. Bates is calling TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles a "scholar" of black history for knowing about Kush, which I first read about as an adolescent. I know about Egypt's 25th dynasty. These two are characterizing anyone who doesn't agree with their views as ignorant, uncaring racists, which isn't the truth at all. Click to expand As a white blonde women, that makes you even more sexy. (white women schooled on African history) [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 1:34PM ^^Average Americans are ignorant of any number of things that have nothing to do with race or history. Either way, that doesn't mean that because I'm a white woman who enjoys raceplay I am ignorant of world history or black history. I initially read about Kush in the eleventh volume of The World Book Encyclopedia. My dad owned the entire set. I already responded to those posts, and it's perfectly possible to enjoy raceplay while taking exception to the depiction of black people in non-pornographic film and television. Sexual fantasy is sexual fantasy. Edited by - misspornUSA on 3/15/2016 1:34:31 PM [Link]
TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles Deactivated User It just looks and feels so fucking good! 142 Posts 3/16	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 1:45PM Ben Mockridge wrote: Its only natural that people are relatively indiferent to things that dont impinge on them directly - like white people being indiferent to rascism against black people Click to expand hahaha and the truth is finally revealed. It only takes a little prodding and eventually people just admit they don't care about racism towards black people. Your honesty is very much appreciated. I had figured this out on my own a while back just looking at the way white america responds to the police killing of unarmed black youths. Majority of white America does not care at all. A few of them pretend to care, and then of course there is a very small contingent that actually do care. Thanks again for your honesty about your complete indifference to racism against an entire race of people i mean why would white people eat themselves up about black peoples problems when white people have problems of their own. Click to expand Yeah, why would white people see the burden of responsibility for enslaving an entire race of people and dramatically altering their history on the continent of America? Why would white people feel the need to ever own up to the fact that what they did was beyond inhumane, when they have their own problems? Finally, somebody who doesn't pretend to care. How refreshing Not entirely surprising considering white people don't seem to care about what they did to the native American population either. Seems to me other people's lives really just doesn't matter as much. 4 sure some black people perceive IR race play to be a smallcog in of a larger evil of white supremacy and therefore objectionable but unless your indoctrinated with this way of thinking then people are more often than not simply watching gheetto gaggers etc cos they like black chiks and listening to gangsta rap cos they like the music. Click to expand I noticed the used of the word "indoctrinated" hahahah So somebody getting educated about their history and the possible ramifications of depicting black males and black females in a derogatory manner is classified as "indoctrination".... It all keeps getting more and more bizarre on this forum. Somebody decides to read up on the history that was denied to black people AND white people in America, and you consider it "indoctrination". Anything to avoid self-reflection. People watch Ghetto Gaggers because they like black chicks? I've never heard anything more bizarre. People listen to gangsta rap because they like the music? And so we must only discuss things on the shallowest level? I am not allowed to notice that gangsta rap is directly a bad influence on black people? Its amazing how once you point such things out, people want to stop you talking. Its okay for gangsta rappers to promote gang violence, drug use, prostitution and shooting each other. As soon as you speak out against it, people are quick to defend it by saying "its just harmless fun". "harmless fun" which leads to black broken societies. Oh wait, I forgot, You don't care about racism towards black people or black people's issues, my bad...makes sense now Rather than looking at the complaint and seeing if there is any merit to it, as usual, the complaint of the anybody who disagrees with you can always be dismissed out of hand, such is the nature of pathological white supremacy The black women on ghetto gaggers are amazing - not all of them but most are very sympathetic characters. Click to expand LMAO what is that supposed to mean? The women are sympathetic characters? sympathetic to who? do you even know what that word means? And if your objection is the negative portrayal of black people then isnt hooking whoring prostitution and pimping a negative thing period so do you disapprove of all black involvement in pornography ? Click to expand Pornography can be empowering to the female if done correctly, you don't need me to tell you that. I am against the obvious degradation of the black female that sites like "Ghetto Gaggers" perform. Anybody who looks at GG and does not see total degradation and humiliation of the black females, is simply not on the same wavelength as myself. There's nothing more that can be said. If you do not see some form of race-based aggressive misogyny in "Ghetto Gaggers", we are just living in 2 different realities. Once again, you already outlined you don't care. This isn't very surprising. This is one of the most Ultra-weird, hyper-bizarre threads I've ever been involved in since my birth. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 1:50PM ^^^I should make clear that I'm not some sort of an exceptional white woman. Plenty of white people are informed. A lot of us do not deserve to be subjected to the prejudicial assumption of Tasty and Bates that we are ignorant of black history or are in denial about the current existence of racism. Two of the finest books about the origin of racial oppression in the United States were written by a white man, Theodore W. Allen. They are volumes 1 and 2 of "The Invention of the White Race." Many white people are horrified by the racist murders of black youths and know about the history of black people in America and in the world. [Link]
TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles Deactivated User It just looks and feels so fucking good! 142 Posts 3/16	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 2:00PM Jedi Master Bates wrote: To set the record straight, we have been very clear in our posts. Hard race playing in porn is contributing to a society wide trend of portraying black people as savage or animalistic. If a person can see a site called "ghettogaggers" which features only black women, and think "there's nothing wrong". That person is indeed, indifferent to the issue of a continued negative narrative of black people in porn/entertainment. You disagree. You think that a person can take in images that constantly paint a race of people as criminals,convicts, etc. , yet remain unaffected by it. Regardless of the fact that reality strongly suggests otherwise. Click to expand +100 [Link]
Mister Fahrenheit All-Star Member Meh 4655 Posts 10/13	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 2:02PM It seems this thread has come to a permanent impasse. On one side are people who think that the negative images of black males in hard raceplay porn contributes to or is symptomatic of the real social oppression Blacks face in American society. They also believe that any enjoyment of hard raceplay is the result of latent or full-blown racial prejudice on the part of the viewers. The other side doesn't see a causal connection between the depiction of black males in hard IR porn and the institutional racism that pervades America. They also believe that the origins of an individual's internal fantasy life can be complex and varied, and in the case of IR porn can't be so simply reduced to bigoted impulses. Both sides have articulated their arguments clearly (and repeatedly) and neither side has budged an inch from their original position. At this point I don't see what purpose will be served by continuing the debate. Edited by - Mister Fahrenheit on 3/15/2016 3:09:18 PM [Link]
Ben Mockridge Deactivated User 382 Posts 9/15	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 2:53PM TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles wrote: People watch Ghetto Gaggers because they like black chicks? I've never heard anything more bizarre. People listen to gangsta rap because they like the music? And so we must only discuss things on the shallowest level? I am not allowed to notice that gangsta rap is directly a bad influence on black people? Click to expand You think that white people are indifferent to the problems of the black race so what makes you think they will discuss rap music on any other level other than the shallowest. [Link]
fredgee Deactivated User 350 Posts 12/13	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 3:18PM The issue is the industry is dead because it excluded people not whether IR is too PC. There are no Black women active in porn and the few Black men still left are probably working on a exit plan. [Link]
TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles Deactivated User It just looks and feels so fucking good! 142 Posts 3/16	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 4:06PM MOD: Read the forum etiquette. Insults will not be tolerated. Edited by - flash on 3/15/2016 4:22:45 PM [Link]
Jedi Master Bates Deactivated User 383 Posts 9/11	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 4:11PM misspornUSA wrote: ^^^I should make clear that I'm not some sort of an exceptional white woman. Plenty of white people are informed. A lot of us do not deserve to be subjected to the prejudicial assumption of Tasty and Bates that we are ignorant of black history or are in denial about the current existence of racism. Two of the finest books about the origin of racial oppression in the United States were written by a white man, Theodore W. Allen. They are volumes 1 and 2 of "The Invention of the White Race." Many white people are horrified by the racist murders of black youths and know about the history of black people in America and in the world. Click to expand Notice how I said "AMERICANS", not "white people". I said "Americans", are largely ignorant of both american history and human history outside of a eurocentric agenda. You're starting to come across as disingenuous. Its one thing to speak about how whites feel about race relations in the US, but its another thing entirely to observe that majority of whites agree with the way many of the cases in which an unarmed black male is shot dead by the police, are handled. In fact, its mostly white people who then turn around and criticize neighborhoods for rioting in the face of blatant terrorism at the hands of the local police. You're one person saying otherwise VS the reality of the situation. If white people are so horrified, then why has darren wilson been able to retire on a fat stack of money raised by the white community? Why haven't the feminists gone apeshit over the sandra bland case? Why is there over 4 million dollars sitting in Dylan roof's defense fund? Your words do not line up with reality. Even if you personally feel that way, to speak as if your outlook is the common view among white americans is completely naive. You are basically trying to imply that there is no such thing as indoctrination in this country. Edited by - Jedi Master Bates on 3/15/2016 4:15:29 PM [Link]

misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 4:12PM ^I was responding to DiamondJackman. My response to you is two posts above that. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 4:19PM ^^Why do you view the people who raised money for Darren Wilson as representative of "the white community"? Are you saying that no one who was outraged by the murder of Sandra Bland is a feminist? If yes, how did you arrive at that conclusion? Why do you view the people who raised money for Dylan Roof as representative of "the white community"? No, I am not implying that there is no such thing as indoctrination in this country. Edited by - misspornUSA on 3/15/2016 4:19:18 PM misspornUSA wrote: ^^^I should make clear that I'm not some sort of an exceptional white woman. Plenty of white people are informed. A lot of us do not deserve to be subjected to the prejudicial assumption of Tasty and Bates that we are ignorant of black history or are in denial about the current existence of racism. Two of the finest books about the origin of racial oppression in the United States were written by a white man, Theodore W. Allen. They are volumes 1 and 2 of "The Invention of the White Race." Many white people are horrified by the racist murders of black youths and know about the history of black people in America and in the world. Click to expand Notice how I said "PLENTY", "A LOT" and "MANY", not "all" or "most." Is it really so hard for you to accept the fact that many white people are not the ignorant racists that you believe them to be? Edited by - misspornUSA on 3/15/2016 4:27:53 PM [Link]
TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles Deactivated User It just looks and feels so fucking good! 142 Posts 3/16	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 4:24PM Its just amazing how this site operates...it appears to be a test of human patience. Somebody can admit to something in their OWN WORDS. When you quote them and expand on it. They turn around and say you said it... Totally oblivious to their earlier comment, what is that? ..then there's all these games were people act like they can't understand simple things And then they hide behind their feelings... Edited by - TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles on 3/15/2016 4:27:19 PM [Link]
Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 4:24PM MOD: Again. Insults are done. Your post will be deleted and you get a warning if you can't act civilly in this thread. [Link]
TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles Deactivated User It just looks and feels so fucking good! 142 Posts 3/16	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 4:31PM misspornUSA wrote: Notice how I said "PLENTY", "A LOT" and "MANY", not "all" or "most." Is it really so hard for you to accept the fact that many white people are not the ignorant racists that you believe them to be? Click to expand Do you believe majority of the white population in America is like yourself? in that they truly care about race relations and the plight of black people. I do not believe this to be the case and I can cite many reasons why, including journalistic articles that back me up on my claims I believe most white people are blissfully indifferent. And a large contingent actually support the further brutalization of black people by police. Not realizing the police are merely practicing with black people, what will eventually be used on the rest of the population in event of catastrophe. [Link]
Ben Mockridge Deactivated User 382 Posts 9/15	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 4:31PM TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles wrote: Its just amazing how this site operates...it appears to be a test of human patience. Somebody can admit to something in their OWN WORDS. When you quote them and expand on it. They turn around and say you said it... Totally oblivious to their earlier comment, what is that? ..then there's all these games were people act like they can't understand simple things And then they hide behind their feelings... Edited by - TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles on 3/15/2016 4:27:19 PM Click to expand Yeh but that dosnt explain why you expect people who are relatively indifferent to black problems to be interested in discussing rap music on a level beyond the shallowest. [Link]
TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles Deactivated User It just looks and feels so fucking good! 142 Posts 3/16	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 4:37PM Ben Mockridge wrote: Yeh but that dosnt explain why you expect people who are relatively indifferent to black problems to be interested in discussing rap music on a level beyond the shallowest. Click to expand Please leave me alone. If you want to engage in discussion, let me know when you are ready. Okay? The mod very carefully and conveniently made sure to take down my entire post which addressed this issue. A simple removal of my "insults" would have sufficed, so people could still read the content of my post. Alas, this was not to be Making a long story short, white people can discuss rap at a deeper level, yes they can. white people are intelligent too. it takes education and a willingness to listen and learn. That's all. If they are made aware of the complex issues surrounding gangsta rap, they can appreciate why some black people take offence to music which promotes violence, hedonism, gang lifestyle, prostitution and crime. Now, just leave me alone until you stop acting like you can't understand simple things, I can see you are trying to get me banned very sneaky indeed..... [Link]
Ben Mockridge Deactivated User 382 Posts 9/15	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 4:47PM ^ Yeh white people are inteligent too but if they arnt interested in a subject as you assert they arnt interested in the problems of the black race then logically they arnt going to be interested in discussing rap music beyond a level other than the shallowest. Logically they will discuss inteligently on subjects that they are interested in - for example the economy wrestling etc etc. Now if you wish to cease the discussion you dont have to reply. [Link]
Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 4:48PM TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles wrote: The mod very carefully and conveniently made sure to take down my entire post which addressed this issue. A simple removal of my "insults" would have sufficed, so people could still read the content of my post. Alas, this was not to be Click to expand MOD: You made the choice to continue to insult people. I am not going to take the time to edit out just your insults if you can't be bothered to follow the rules. [Link]
TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles Deactivated User It just looks and feels so fucking good! 142 Posts 3/16	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 4:58PM Ben Mockridge wrote: ^ Yeh white people are inteligent too but if they arnt interested in a subject as you assert they arnt interested in the problems of the black race then logically they arnt going to be interested in discussing rap music beyond a level other than the shallowest. Logically they will discuss inteligently on subjects that they are interested in - for example the economy wrestling etc etc. Now if you wish to cease the discussion you dont have to reply. Click to expand You willfully ignore the fact you admitted white people were indifferent to black suffering. hahaha Its okay. Things will happen at some stage, the story isn't over. I think I know exactly what is being deployed here ....... It's okay. [Link]

TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles Deactivated User It just looks and feels so fucking good! 142 Posts 3/16	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 4:59PM Flash wrote: TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles wrote: The mod very carefully and conveniently made sure to take down my entire post which addressed this issue. A simple removal of my "insults" would have sufficed, so people could still read the content of my post. Alas, this was not to be Click to expand MOD: You made the choice to continue to insult people. I am not going to take the time to edit out just your insults if you can't be bothered to follow the rules. Click to expand Like I said, this is obviously a test of patience. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 5:04PM TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles wrote: ... You willfully ignore the fact you admitted white people were indifferent to black suffering. hahaha Its okay. ... Click to expand Whereas as I see you 're very much informed about the suffering of civilians Arabs caught in the middle between fanatics and dictators do you even know how many died yesterday? [Link]
TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles Deactivated User It just looks and feels so fucking good! 142 Posts 3/16	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 5:08PM LCF wrote: Whereas as I see you 're very much informed about the suffering of civilians Arabs caught in the middle between fanatics and dictators do you even know how many died yesterday? Click to expand What is it with the participants of this thread? How is that relevant to the discussion currently ongoing about hard IR raceplay? There is a name for the logical fallacy you just sprouted. You're trying to discredit my opinions on one subject, by bringing up an entirely unrelated one? How does that work? Isn't it funny whenever you talk about black suffering, people accuse you of not caring about the Jews, or the Arabs in the middle east? But if you talk about Jewish or Arab suffering, nobody jumps in to say "hey, what about black people?" The only people who are not allowed to discuss their problems and issues are black people. Why is that? I think I have an idea.... Edited by - TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles on 3/15/2016 5:10:41 PM [Link]
Jedi Master Bates Deactivated User 383 Posts 9/11	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 5:20PM misspornUSA wrote: ^^Why do you view the people who raised money for Darren Wilson as representative of "the white community"? Are you saying that no one who was outraged by the murder of Sandra Bland is a feminist? If yes, how did you arrive at that conclusion? Why do you view the people who raised money for Dylan Roof as representative of "the white community"? No, I am not implying that there is no such thing as indoctrination in this country. Edited by - misspornUSA on 3/15/2016 4:19:18 PM misspornUSA wrote: ^^^I should make clear that I'm not some sort of an exceptional white woman. Plenty of white people are informed. A lot of us do not deserve to be subjected to the prejudicial assumption of Tasty and Bates that we are ignorant of black history or are in denial about the current existence of racism. Two of the finest books about the origin of racial oppression in the United States were written by a white man, Theodore W. Allen. They are volumes 1 and 2 of "The Invention of the White Race." Many white people are horrified by the racist murders of black youths and know about the history of black people in America and in the world. Click to expand Notice how I said "PLENTY", "A LOT" and "MANY", not "all" or "most." Is it really so hard for you to accept the fact that many white people are not the ignorant racists that you believe them to be? Edited by - misspornUSA on 3/15/2016 4:27:53 PM Click to expand I haven't seen anything from feminists online regarding sandra bland. Going by whats there, it seems its mainly black people who are outraged. Why do you have such a hard time understanding that hardly anyone has been called "ignorant racists". The word "indifferent" has been pushed around a lot. "Indoctrination" has also been pushed around a lot. You've been trying to dispute the use of those words too. On one hand, you talk like there's almost no problem, but then on the other you talk as if the general white community cares deeply about the race relations here, regardless of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. If it offends you to hear someone talk about the state of the white community in america in regards to race, tough shit. Your babies aren't the ones getting murdered by the police. Imagine how black people feel. Its like most of you don't want people to even bring this shit up. I'm really tired of this now pointless exchange. You don't find anything wrong with hard race play in porn. I completely disagree. The fact that a site called "ghettogaggers" exists and only features black women , yet people don't see anything wrong, is sad irony. PS. my questions still stands. If a person wants to see black women being face fucked, why does the site have to be called "ghettogaggers"? why the word "ghetto"? A site featuring white women being face fucked is simply called "facial abuse" or "throated". Black women? "ghettogaggers". Yeah i'm sure the film makers totally don't mean to be racist with that. I guess we're all fucking idiots. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 5:20PM ^^ you were the one talking about "black suffering" that too is irrelevant with the race play on a PORN movie , if you talked about "black sensitivity" on the matter I may agree but the suffering refers to other things, serious thing way more important than a porn , also while I agree with you generally speaking (I don't like the hard race play too) I believe that some blacks actually like it, some performers did , I may not understand their reasons or fantasies , maybe I likes to be called "nigger" by his partners because he's actually pounding hard his partner or stretching her butt out very wide , which may represent some revenge as if he was fucking hard a owner or even the very idea of slavery EDIT you edited your post , as it appears you have only one idea and are trying hard to misinterpret whatever we say for your purpose. someone said he doesn't pay much attention to rap music and you translated it as obliviousness to black suffering I told you that you too are very much indifferent to most of the current suffering in the world (perhaps including that of Africans, did you help any fund raising against Ebola in sub Saharan West Africa? but you transformed it into forbidding black people to discuss black matters Edited by - LCF on 3/15/2016 5:30:01 PM [Link]
Jedi Master Bates Deactivated User 383 Posts 9/11	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 5:25PM TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles wrote: LCF wrote: Whereas as I see you 're very much informed about the suffering of civilians Arabs caught in the middle between fanatics and dictators do you even know how many died yesterday? Click to expand What is it with the participants of this thread? How is that relevant to the discussion currently ongoing about hard IR raceplay? There is a name for the logical fallacy you just sprouted. You're trying to discredit my opinions on one subject, by bringing up an entirely unrelated one? How does that work? Isn't it funny whenever you talk about black suffering, people accuse you of not caring about the Jews, or the Arabs in the middle east? But if you talk about Jewish or Arab suffering, nobody jumps in to say "hey, what about black people?" The only people who are not allowed to discuss their problems and issues are black people. Why is that? I think I have an idea.... Edited by - TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles on 3/15/2016 5:10:41 PM Click to expand That was a blatant attempt at a very weak and obvious strawman by LCF. A thread about IR in porn explodes into a discussion on race relations and negative depictions in entertainment. Yet, this guy busts in with arabs and why we aren't talking about them.....wat? [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 5:30PM ^^^What you've seen doesn't determine reality, and you're bizarrely implying that no black people are feminists. In fact, a majority of social activists across racial lines, be them female, male, genderqueer, etc. identify as feminists. There's not a large protest against police terror in this country that's occurred over the past several years in which a sizable number of protesters were not feminists. I don't want to condescend, so I'm not going to explain to you how "PLENTY", "A LOT" and "MANY" do not mean "all" or "most", although it's not clear to me that you understand the distinction. Edited by - misspornUSA on 3/15/2016 5:31:52 PM [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 5:37PM ^ He does but he chose to misinterpret anything coming from a white, it's very apparent Jedi Master Bates wrote: That was a blatant attempt at a very weak and obvious strawman by LCF. A thread about IR in porn explodes into a discussion on race relations and negative depictions in entertainment. Yet, this guy busts in with arabs and why we aren't talking about them.....wat? Click to expand Nothing like that I explained above what I meant with that , as I said many times on this board I don't like hard race play , so I basically agree with him, however I strongly disagree with his tunneled vision that implies anything pertaining races that doesn't match his view is just because of that racist Edited by - LCF on 3/15/2016 5:42:40 PM [Link]
Ben Mockridge Deactivated User 382 Posts 9/15	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 5:43PM TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles wrote: Ben Mockridge wrote: ^ Yeh white people are inteligent too but if they arnt interested in a subject as you assert they arnt interested in the problems of the black race then logically they arnt going to be interested in discussing rap music beyond a level other than the shallowest. Logically they will discuss inteligently on subjects that they are interested in - for example the economy wrestling etc etc. Now if you wish to cease the discussion you dont have to reply. Click to expand You willfully ignore the fact you admitted white people were indifferent to black suffering. hahaha Its okay. Things will happen at some stage, the story isn't over. I think I know exactly what is being deployed here ....... It's okay. Click to expand I said "Its only natural that people are relatively indiferent to things that dont impinge on them directly - like white people being indiferent to rascism against black people" and you agreed with this. We agree on this. What is still unexplained is why you expect white people who you agreed were indifferent to black problems to be interested in discussing rap music beyond the shallowest level. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 5:43PM LCF wrote: someone said he doesn't pay much attention to rap music and you translated it as obliviousness to black suffering Click to expand You may have missed this since this thread is endless LCF but Ben did say earlier he saw no reason the white community should care about the suffering of the black community. That is what Jedi is referring to, so there's no translation or leap taking place. [Link]

Ben Mockridge Deactivated User 382 Posts 9/15	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 5:46PM BlackSix wrote: LCF wrote: someone said he doesn't pay much attention to rap music and you translated it as obliviousness to black suffering Click to expand You may have missed this since this thread is endless LCF but Ben did say earlier he saw no reason the white community should care about the suffering of the black community. That is what Jedi is referring to, so there's no translation or leap taking place. Click to expand that is obviously untrue and just trolling. [Link]
TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles Deactivated User It just looks and feels so fucking good! 142 Posts 3/16	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 5:57PM LCF wrote: ^^ you were the one talking about "black suffering" that too is irrelevant with the race play on a PORN movie Click to expand What a joke Porn is an element of entertainment media. Entertainment media can be shown to be vastly influential in molding people's minds and affirmative beliefs and paradigms. Ignoring this is ignoring reality. It is not at all irrelevant because raceplay IR porn is a facet or an aspect of a much larger media machination which can be used to reinforce negative stereotypes which directly impact black people in the real world. I don't know how many damn times this has to be stated, STOP PLAYING GAMES WITH ME BY PRETENDING NOT TO UNDERSTAND ME. You are way out of date and not up to speed on this discussion. You might want to do some reading. We have a conscious and subconscious mind. Do you realize what IR raceplay porn can imprint on the subconscious mind? do you understand how this can reinforce already prejudicial negative views held by white america about black people? if you talked about "black sensitivity" on the matter I may agree but the suffering refers to other things, serious thing way more important than a porn Click to expand Read what I typed above also while I agree with you generally speaking (I don't like the hard race play too) I believe that some blacks actually like it, some performers did , I may not understand their reasons or fantasies , maybe I likes to be called "nigger" by his partners because he's actually pounding hard his partner or stretching her butt out very wide , which may represent some revenge as if he was fucking hard a owner or even the very idea of slavery Click to expand Some blacks produce negative self-destructive music too. What is your damn point? How many times must this be explained? I recognize the free will and free-agency of some black people to watch and make hard IR raceplay porn. IT DOES NOT EXCLUDE THESE BLACK PEOPLE FROM CRITICISM IF IT IS DEEMED THIS TYPE OF PORN IS REINFORCING NEGATIVE OR DESTRUCTIVE IMAGES ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE. Try and understand this simple point. Additionally, because some black people do things which might send out the wrong impression about black people, DOES NOT MEAN THE ACTIVITY IS BEYOND REPROACH. I CAN CRITICIZE IR RACEPLAY EVEN IF BLACKS ARE INVOLVED IN ITS PRODUCTION. ITS NOT HARD TO UNDERSTAND. EDIT you edited your post , as it appears you have only one idea and are trying hard to misinterpret whatever we say for your purpose. Click to expand total rubbish someone said he doesn't pay much attention to rap music and you translated it as obliviousness to black suffering Click to expand Sigh He didn't say he didn't pay much attention to rap music. I do hope you can read? He said he enjoyed rap music and therefore made it seem like criticism of rappers or gangsta rap is somehow wrong because some people simply like that type of music. Can I make it clear once again, just because somebody likes a type of music. does not mean it is above criticism. When I can clearly see gangsta rap promotes a DESTRUCTIVE, NEGATIVE MESSAGE TO BLACK PEOPLE. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS? DO YOU UNDERSTAND I HAVE A RIGHT TO PROTEST MUSIC THAT PROMOTES VIOLENCE, GANG WARFARE, DRUGS AND PROSTITUTION.?? The music helps destroy the black community, do black people not have a right to protect their community? I am so bloody stunned I STILL have to explain this I told you that you too are very much indifferent to most of the current suffering in the world (perhaps including that of Africans, did you help any fund raising against Ebola in sub Saharan West Africa? but you transformed it into forbidding black people to discuss black matters Click to expand Unbelievable stuff. more red herrings and totally changing the topic. The topic is about hard raceplay in IR. It deals with black and white people. so race issues would obviously be discussed. STOP TRYING TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT TO THE MIDDLE EASY AND EBOLA. STAY ON TOPIC. If you're uncomfortable and can't hang with the topic, gracefully bow out then. Edited by - TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles on 3/15/2016 6:06:09 PM [Link]
TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles Deactivated User It just looks and feels so fucking good! 142 Posts 3/16	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 5:58PM Jedi Master Bates wrote: That was a blatant attempt at a very weak and obvious strawman by LCF. A thread about IR in porn explodes into a discussion on race relations and negative depictions in entertainment. Yet, this guy busts in with arabs and why we aren't talking about them.....wat? Click to expand Indeed. Very strange behavior taking place right about now.... I've got to start copying and pasting stuff now...this is becoming unreal. The amount of times I have to explain the same thing over and over and over again. Its almost as if people are not actually reading my comment. Or have IQs dropped overnight? Edited by - TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles on 3/15/2016 6:04:45 PM [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 6:15PM Ben Mockridge wrote: that is obviously untrue and just trolling. Click to expand No trolling intended it took me all the time from posting that to now to track down the previous post in this forest of arguing and I now see that you said that white people were 'relatively indifferent' to the problems of black people and that wasn't surprising or something to that effect. Regardless, it puts Jedi's post into a context that LCF was probably unaware of. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 6:25PM misspornUSA wrote: ^^^What you've seen doesn't determine reality, and you're bizarrely implying that no black people are feminists. In fact, a majority of social activists across racial lines, be them female, male, genderqueer, etc. identify as feminists. Edited by - misspornUSA on 3/15/2016 5:31:52 PM Click to expand As you know for decades many, perhaps even the majority, of black female activists refused to identify as 'feminists' for a variety of reasons. It is probably only since the 80s that this changed slowly. Not being American I'm unsure how many young black women identify as feminist. Certainly a higher number among activists but of course 'social activists' make up a very, very small number of the population. Update: found a reputable source that among millenial women race doesn't make a huge difference in identifying as a feminist. In fact young black women are a little more likely to identify as feminist as opposed to white women (43 to 47 percent). But that variation isn't really large enough to be meaningful. That certainly shows a huge change, encouraging news even if most people continue to misunderstand what the term feminist means (eg. another poll found 82 percent believe in the equality of the sexes and gender). I think that misunderstanding can be laid at the distortions of the right wing AND the wild rhetoric of the radical feminists in the 70s. Edited by - BlackSix on 3/15/2016 6:45:16 PM [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 6:32PM TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles wrote: LCF wrote: ^^ you were the one talking about "black suffering" that too is irrelevant with the race play on a PORN movie Click to expand What a joke Porn is an element of entertainment media. Entertainment media can be shown to be vastly influential in molding people's minds and affirmative beliefs and paradigms. Ignoring this is ignoring reality. Click to expand Aside that nobody is preventing you from freely say whatever you want , I see THE problem here, porn is not just entertainment is mostly SELF entertainment it doesn't depict what it does to entertain or educate a crowd , it is aimed to one viewer sometimes two, and it's aimed to raise a sexual response , people gets off with whatever gets them off , are you questioning the right of a black guy to like some hard race play? Also keep in minfd that the hard race play rather often humiliates the whites especially the girls Shouldn't we be pissed by the way some IR porn depicts us? Cuckolded, pencil dicked , eager to see our girl destroyed in front of us. Really? And yet none of us is asking for major changes ,there are those who get off with such staff. So? Edited by - LCF on 3/15/2016 6:39:01 PM [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 6:36PM BlackSix wrote: into a context that LCF was probably unaware of. Click to expand Yes I was indeed , thank you [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 6:40PM We've yet to have a single poster here in favour of hard IR raceplay who is black, from what I can see. Something to consider. This does raise the question of just who does hard IR raceplay sell to? The popularity and numbers of IR certainly suggest it is of much interest to a white audience. The success of Blacked seems to be that their videos appeal to white men and women interested in IR, black men and perhaps black women (?) and to a general porn audience just interested in better quality scenes. As the market for profitable porn has shrunk the financial vulnerability of certain niches has been exposed. Generally this has favoured porn that has wider appeal although certain subgenres assumed to be 'niche' like g/g, TS and romantic light S&M have proven hardier than expected. Perhaps hard IR raceplay is one of those niches that won't survive. Edited by - BlackSix on 3/15/2016 6:54:45 PM [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 6:53PM ^ True also I pointed out when they were relevant to the marked that black owned companies did not play hard race play Also hard race play may also be related in humiliating the whites such as a wife forcing her husband to watch her fucking a black guy calling him names , or a white girl being humiliated and called names, Though that too wasn't seen on black owned companies or on black directors material Edited by - LCF on 3/15/2016 6:53:37 PM [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 6:59PM ^^I know and have known black men who sometime or regularly engage in hard raceplay in their personal lives and enjoy the depiction of that kind of raceplay in porn. Of course, I also know and have known black men who feel differently about hard raceplay than the black men I just mentioned. Some of these men are indifferent to that kind of raceplay while others perceive it negatively. That's just my experience, but ultimately I don't think we know what the overall numbers are. What's problematic to me about the Blacked comparison is that Blacked is different from traditional Dogfart in a lot more ways than just Lansky's milder approach to raceplay. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 7:02PM Good point, once the producers in control are black most hard raceplay seems to fade to the background. Even the Alexander DeVoe titles that Melyvn previously referred to that were built around kidnapping and bondage scenarios, and were frequently excellent btw (one with Gianna and Luscious Lopez was particularly great) didn't play up the race angle in any significant way, as I recall. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 7:05PM BlackSix wrote: misspornUSA wrote: ^^^What you've seen doesn't determine reality, and you're bizarrely implying that no black people are feminists. In fact, a majority of social activists across racial lines, be them female, male, genderqueer, etc. identify as feminists. Edited by - misspornUSA on 3/15/2016 5:31:52 PM Click to expand As you know for decades many, perhaps even the majority, of black female activists refused to identify as 'feminists' for a variety of reasons. It is probably only since the 80s that this changed slowly. Not being American I'm unsure how many young black women identify as feminist. Certainly a higher number among activists but of course 'social activists' make up a very, very small number of the population. Update: found a reputable source that among millenial women race doesn't make a huge difference in identifying as a feminist. In fact young black women are a little more likely to identify as feminist as opposed to white women (43 to 47 percent). But that variation isn't really large enough to be meaningful. Edited by - BlackSix on 3/15/2016 6:34:45 PM Click to expand I definitely recognize all of those facts and appreciate your sharing them. There's no question that many of the people who were and still are outraged by the murder of Sandra Bland are feminists. [Link]
TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles Deactivated User It just looks and feels so fucking good! 142 Posts 3/16	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 7:11PM LCF wrote: Aside that nobody is preventing you from freely say whatever you want , I see THE problem here, porn is not just entertainment is mostly SELF entertainment it doesn't depict what it does to entertain or educate a crowd Click to expand utter nonsense. There is no such thing as self entertainment. You could just as easily categorize movies as self entertainment. PORN CAN IN FACT BE USED TO ENTERTAIN A CROWD. As there are people who quite often watch porn in groups. You have no idea what you are talking about and should stand down immediately. Porn is a part of the global entertainment mass media whether you like it or not. Entertainment media is where majority of people get their ideals, paradigms and affirmations on life as they know it. Not from reading books or listening to speeches by paid actors or the political class. Because porn is a facet of this entertainment media it must be included in examination. Reglardless of the fact you choose to ignore subconscious and conscious reality. Reality will persist. the sun will still come up every morning. THE FACT STILL REMAINS PEOPLE ARE SATURATED WITH IDEAS, SUGGESTIONS AND BELIEFS WHICH THEY PRIMARILY GET FROM MAINSTREAM MEDIA. Some of these beliefs are quite toxic and damaging. Over the many years a number of negative stereotypes about black people have surfaced and been downloading en mass to a large contingent of white America even if they choose to deny this. I know what people in denial do...they deny things. Porn can be used to reinforce those negative and destructive images about black people. When you have 4 black males dressed as escaped convicts and thugs boning a white girl in the ass, while she screams the "N word" some of us find this damaging to the image of black males in society. So I must ask this question, WHY IS IT THAT THE OPINIONS OF BLACK PEOPLE IN THIS THREAD ARE CONSTANTLY BEING IGNORED? AND PRIMARILY BEING IGNORED BY WHITE PEOPLE? Just incredible...... The pathological refusal to examine or accept testimony of the affected party is striking it is aimed to one viewer sometimes two Click to expand BULLSHIT. Porn is aimed at whoever is watching the video, it could be one. two or 3000 people. Secondly, the number of people watching the pornographic film has absolutely no bearing on its potential damage or negative subconscious imprints. It could affect 1 person at a time, or it could affect 3 people at a time, makes no difference. the fact is people who consume hard raceplay IR are being affected in some way, it might be subconsciously. It's still having an effect of some kind. And I am here saying, why do we seek for a medium that promotes the nastiest and most vile depictions of black males? Hence why I will always be against it. and it's aimed to raise a sexual response , people gets off with whatever gets them off Click to expand Your argument could easily extend to Bestiality and Kiddie-porn, do not think people's sensibilities and feelings should not be taken into account when making porn. There's a reason certain types of porn is not being made. Just because people want to get off to hard IR raceplay does not absolve it of criticism. The question still remains. Why is it that in these fantasies the black male is a thug, a criminal, a gangsta, an escaped convict, a prisoner, a thief, a mugger, an armed robber? etc is there no room for IR fantasy that doesn't project black manhood as "naturally" criminal? Of course, the question goes unanswered, why do so many long for such media concerning black people specifically are you questioning the right of a black guy to like some hard race play? Click to expand How many times must this be explained? I recognize the free will and free-agency of some black people to watch and make hard IR raceplay porn. IT DOES NOT EXCLUDE THESE BLACK PEOPLE FROM CRITICISM IF IT IS DEEMED THIS TYPE OF PORN IS REINFORCING NEGATIVE OR DESTRUCTIVE IMAGES ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE. Try and understand this simple point. Additionally, because some black people do things which might send out the wrong impression about black people, DOES NOT MEAN THE ACTIVITY IS BEYOND REPROACH. I CAN CRITICIZE IR RACEPLAY EVEN IF BLACKS ARE INVOLVED IN ITS PRODUCTION. ITS NOT HARD TO UNDERSTAND. Also keep in minfd that the hard race play rather often humiliates the whites especially the girls Click to expand Maybe we can have some white females protest this then? or maybe YOU want to take a stand and protest this aspect of IR porn? I dunno, however given that my main concern is largely with the depiction of black males in hard raceplay IR porn, the fact you bring up the humiliation of white females, in no way undermines my position. Sometimes the Jews are only worried about Jews. Sometimes women only pay attention to women's issues. Somethings the French are only worried or concerned about French issues. When a Jew talks about the holocaust, nobody mentions "what about the blacks?" or "what about the aborigines in Australia?" or "Well, what about the Kurds?"..... Likewise, Sometimes black males are more concerned about the depiction of black males. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT If there is, you better be willing to apply that to everything else and judge it the same. Therefore, the very next time we have Jewish Holocaust memorial day, you had better stand up and ask "what about XYZ"??? but of course you won't do it. See, Jews get to worry about Jewish issues, but blacks must worry about everybody's problems. We're not allowed to worry about black issues, everybody else can worry about their own issues. I'm simply not interested in playing that game in further. Again, I do not approve off aggressive misogyny in any way, part of the reason I hate raceplay in IR, is THE WAY FEMALES ARE TREATED, this is because anything that degrades females is offensive to me, when they stamp on their head it is offensive, when they insult the woman and call her names, this is offensive to me. No matter the race of the female in question. But this is not my fight at this moment. You do understand that, right? Shouldn't we be pissed by the way some IR porn depicts us? Cuckolded, pencil dicked , eager to see our girl destroyed in front of us. Click to expand You have every right to be. Why you are not pissed about it is beyond me. Do not expect me to be pissed off for you. Once again, you have every right to protest what you want to protest. If I were you, I'd be pissed off too. Really? And yet none of us is asking for major changes Click to expand THIS IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT TO THE DISCUSSION AT HAND. The fact none of you are asking for major changes in no way implicates me or my protest with the way black people are portrayed. I DO WANT MAJOR CHANGES, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YET??? You just do you, and I'll do me. If I want to criticize and protest hard raceplay IR, I'll fucking do it. there are those who get off with such staff. So? Click to expand There are does who get off to all sorts of vile and nefarious things too. Should those be permitted too? Once again, you stay in your lane and I'll stay in mine. If you do not see a need for protest, state it and move on. Others who do want to express the view that perhaps black males should not be depicted constantly as thugs, low lifes, drug dealers, escaped convicts and criminals will continue to do so WITHOUT YOUR PERMISSION, THANK YOU VERY MUCH I'll state it again, WHY ARE THE OPINIONS OF BLACK PEOPLE BEING DISMISSED OUT OF HAND? IS THERE A PATTERN PRESENTING ITSELF?? [Link]
FlacFan Deactivated User 10088 Posts 8/15	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 7:12PM {And people wonder why I don't need cable.} Silicone Is Evil, Razors Aren't Much Better [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 7:13PM BlackSix wrote: As the market for profitable porn has shrunk the financial vulnerability of certain niches has been exposed. Generally this has favoured porn that has wider appeal although certain subgenres assumed to be 'niche' like g/g, TS and romantic light S&M have proven hardier than expected. Perhaps hard IR raceplay is one of those niches that won't survive. Click to expand The question to my mind is whether or not hard raceplay is inherently less profitable than other niche forms of porn. I'm not calling for hard raceplay to take over IR, only for it to exist in porn outside of Clips 4 Sale. I've already mentioned Psycho Thrillers. People with that fetish have at least that one site. Can't fans of hard raceplay have our one site? I guess I just have a hard time believing that Psycho Thrillers is more profitable than what Dogfart was occasionally doing. Edited by - misspornUSA on 3/15/2016 7:18:18 PM [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 7:14PM misspornUSA wrote: ^^I know and have known black men who sometime or regularly engage in hard raceplay in their personal lives and enjoy the depiction of that kind of raceplay in porn. Of course, I also know and have known black men who feel differently about hard raceplay than the black men I just mentioned. Some of these men are indifferent to that kind of raceplay while others perceive it negatively. That's just my experience, but ultimately I don't think we know what the overall numbers are. What's problematic to me about the Blacked comparison is that Blacked is different from traditional Dogfart in a lot more ways than just Lansky's milder approach to raceplay. Click to expand For sure, I don't doubt there are those out there in the black community who do enjoy it, it just seems they may not be enough in number to keep it financially viable, it relies on a white audience to do so. The white cuckold scenario common to some hard IR raceplay that LCF mentions would seem to be made for white male masochists for instance. The director of Manojob once mentioned on here that those cuckold scenes were among the most requested and popular material they shot. For sure Blacked's success if beyond just the absence of hard raceplay, the higher quality in all aspects is what makes them of interest to viewers who aren't even the traditonal IR base I think. One sector unfortunately hurt by the downturn seems to be black-on-black porn, black female performers and black producers in general (with the exception of Mimefreak). I wonder if a higher end black-on-black would perform well enough to be financially viable? I know Mimefreak has expressed interest in producing more black-on-black content and I wonder how it would do if Lansky experimented with it? I don't want to go back to the bad old days of the 80s and 90s where most black-on-black material was cheaply shot and produced. [Link]

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