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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 10:53PM
hahaha the fake display of a lack of understanding...nobody can really be like this. You reply so quickly, it begs the question, if you read or understand anything I type. Lets try again ... I explicitly accused you of deflection because that's exactly what you did. You asked me to provide correlating evidence that raceplay leads to dead black males. I showed you that was an asinine, almost child-like question (no offence to children). Because Porn is part of entertainment media. Media in all its forms is perception management first and foremost. More people get their reality from media than books or speeches of politicians. You deflected because I explained to you that there is this large cog which operates to further white supremacy when it can. I gave you examples of hollywood, news and other such things. I made it clear porn is a face of this media. Hence the negative depiction of males in porn does not directly pile up young black bodies on the streets, but its part of a system which does. A system which makes people totally apathetic to the plight of black Americans. By portrayals over the centuries of blacks being less than human etc. Having explained that you asked me for evidence these people are white supremacist, anybody with a working mind, can see that you do not have to be something to directly further its goals. I don't have to be a teacher, to lobby for increased funding for schools. for example. This is deflection. Constantly changing the topic and dropping red herrings all over the place, because you refuse to admit that there is an element that porn plays in perception of reality in mainstream america. And you won't admit it, because of white fragility makes you uneasy about racial issues.LMAO what a load of cobblers indeed. You said I am cut from the same cloth as someone who blames it all specifically on Ashkenazi Jews. We're on the internet. We all KNOW about this group of people who have an issue with all types of Jews. some of which take those views very very far indeed. They look for jews under every rock and every pillow. Don't be surprised if I am offended by being lumped in with these people. Its also funny how someone can talk about negative portrayal of a race of people, and be lumped in with such a group. hahaha almost like me speaking out is a problem to your sense of racial comfort perhaps? It's often these snide attempts and low blows I am very good at picking out, you will find
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 10:55PM
^^^^No, I don't think that there's a Hollywood agenda to depict blacks in the worst way possible. You can go ahead and call me naïve and other names if that's what you need to do to feed your sense of intellectual superiority. TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles has used the word "coon" multiple times throughout this discussion to describe various people, so I guess just being called naïve is getting off easy. Edited by - misspornUSA on 3/14/2016 10:55:46 PM
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 10:56PM
Game, Set, Match. /Thread Silicone Is Evil, Razors Aren't Much Better
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 10:57PM
Its anyone's right to play up negative stereotypes that have even contributed to the misery of an entire race of people. It is also people's right to speak out against those practices and choose not to support them. As I said, its understandable how you or any person who's not black can't seem to see what the big deal is. Its not like whites are being jailed and or murdered at record pace by police officers. Its not like white hollywood male stars have coined the term "driving while white". The fact that so many people seem to not understand the incredible affect ALL forms of entertainment has on their subconscious is really telling. Majority of white people in this country see nothing wrong with a man who was told NOT to confront a "mysterious young black male wearing a hoodie", confronting said younger and killing him "in self defense". Approaching a young black male, then killing him in self defense. That entire scenario seems perfectly fine with the majority of whites in america. Meanwhile, "its not real, so what is the problem.". Anyways, the whole reason i commented here is because the question as to whether or not something is getting too "PC" because they're making an effort to not play up destructive narratives, is mind boggling to me.
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 11:00PM
^^^^I disagreed with your conspiracy theory. Simple as that. As for your mistaken conclusion that I accused you of anti-Semitism, I wasn't implying that you were anti-Semitic. I think most readers know what I meant, and that you missed it only confirms the accuracy of what I implied. Edited by - misspornUSA on 3/14/2016 11:00:42 PM
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 11:04PM
^^There you go again, suggesting that anyone who defends or enjoys raceplay is probably indifferent to or supportive of real life racism. Edited by - misspornUSA on 3/14/2016 11:05:47 PM
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 11:04PM
The attitude in this thread from the people who are not castigated by negative stereotypes on a daily basis. From what they see in advertising, to hollywood blockbusters, to modelling agencies, to TV news media etc. the attitude of people who are not on the receiving end of such castigation on a daily basis appears to be to "go along to get along". It appears to be this implicit denial that there is really anything to complain about. Never mind the fact their forefathers never had to endure 400 years of dehumanization and slavery (look up Willie Lynch manual), their forefathers were not BOMBED on American soil for the color of their skin. Their so-called "leaders" were not assassinated in broad daylight for asking for peace and fair integration. Their forefathers were not subject to Jim Crow laws due to skin color. etc. It's so easy to say "Let those who want to enjoy the enforcing of negative stereotypes and racist language enjoy it" - when your people have not ever been subject to such brutality and injustice for the last few hundreds of years. What a world we live in indeed. Some people are telling you raceplay IR helps reinforce the negative view of black people subconsciously embedded in American society, the response? "Its harmless fun"....
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 11:09PM
Your refusal to understand raceplay IR can contribute to a subconscious reinforcement of negative views of black people in society means that yes you are indifferent or supportive of real life racism. Indeed you most certainly are. ....Once again, Because you refuse to acknowledge the reality of the subconscious mind and what certain images can imprint on it. Refusal to acknowledge this means you are obviously tap-dancing around an issue with a real world consequence. Listen, at no point in this discussion will I ever try to uphold your sense of entitlement to racial comfort or your white racial expectations. I will tell it as it is. Of course, that doesn't stop what I say from being dismissed out of hand... because how could a castigated population ever be taken seriously? White fragility means "blame the victim"
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 11:14PM
^Most of what you wrote in that comment was already discussed on the previous page. As for the rest, while you've violated forum etiquette repeatedly I'd rather not do so myself, and so will not respond to you further.
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 11:16PM
Well guess what, reality must persist. We still see black historical figures depicted as white in Hollyweird. Whether the directors are white supremacists is none of my business, if the film is wholly inaccurate and puts forward a ridiculous notion of black African civilization, then it furthers the white supremacy agenda. We still see black young males who are unarmed gunned down for the silliest of "misdemeanors", of course the mainstream media will blame the small black child for having a toy gun. We must blame the victim to avoid discussing reality. This is white fragility, makes certain white people so uncomfortable they will do anything to avoid discussing race issues. We still see black history movies almost all entirely focused on the Trans Atlantic slave trade in North America. Nothing about Ancient black KEMET, nothing about the Songhai Dynasty in Africa, nothing about Kush, nothing about the Mali empire. Nothing about strong successful black empires. just the slave trade. . Of course you dismiss this. We still see deflection and obfuscation from racist media turning things like Beyonce's Superbowl performance to be "Anti-police" when it was nothing of the sort. We see establishment media saying "BlackLivesMatter" means "BlackLivesMatterMore" when obviously its saying "BlackLivesMatterToo" - but there's this intentional muddying of the waters. You say you disagree with the conspiracy theory, of course you quickly reach for a CIA-created phrase to make my views unimportant Reality must persist.
No and no.You're so lost. Her point went way over your head. If you ever bothered to consider the grievances of others, you might discover other people have arguments which are reflective of yours, even if they come from opposite ends. They believe "zionist jews" are controlling all the media and trying to eradicate their "aryan" race. It's all over Youtube now. There's hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of hostile white-pride types who see the very same exact things in the media that you see, but they believe it is at their expense. That's what is so ironic. That is why I posted that link to the interview with the white separatist and the black separatist.
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 11:20PM
I can only give thanks and praise to all things Holy, righteous and Good. Thanks for playing. Score: 5.5/10. Final verdict: Must study harder NEXT!
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 11:21PM
As i've already said, people have the right to be racist or fucked up. What I dont get is this new thing where they wanna be racist or fucked up, and not have anyone say anything. This is a forum thread. Obviously I don't watch the kind of bullshit like "ghettogaggers" (fuck outta here with that). However, a question was asked in this thread. I dunno if you're the OP, but you can't get upset if the answer is not what you like or agree with. It is what it is. I think whites will continue to ignore shit until is blows up in their faces. Its the same cycle with every issue. Drugs in the community? ignored because it affected only blacks and hispanics until little billy started going across the train tracks to buy crack. Guns in the school? yeah only inner city schools, who gives a fuck, until columbine happened. My personal favorite is the fucking AIDS outbreak. People gave ZERO FUCKS because it was "the gay disease". Keep in mind that a homosexual's DNA is mapped out in a double helix, the same as hetero's. Suddenly, because it was ignored, it blew up into a total fucking epidemic. This shit keeps happening because people go to sleep on major issues that they think don't affect them. Nobody is even talking about censoring things. We're talking about the fact that people should be socially conscious enough to say "yeah i'm not gonna film this type of scene. I mean, there's a reason why people are ok with the disproportionate number in which black men are murdered/imprisoned by police officers compared to white men. I don't wanna contribute to a system that further indoctrinates people to devalue the lives of other human beings.". I really don't think thats a lot to ask and if a person feels like its their right to continue on in a disgusting culture, then fine, but don't pull sour grapes when other people are not cool with it. PS: I will say personally, that if you get off on hard race play such as KKK members fucking black women, or "ghettogaggers" or bullshit porn thats soley meant to completely degrade and humiliate women, then yes you are a piece of shit. If its your fantasy to see someone else suffer and be humilitated, then you are a sick fuck. That is a plain definition of what a sick person is. Why would someone need to see someone dressed as a nazi, fucking "jewish" women? What kind of fucked up shit would a person have in their skull, for that to be a turn on. Again, i'm not talking about the stuff that you see on kink.com. That stuff is still about the sex. Ghettogaggers and facial abuse.com is on some other type of shit. Even throated.com is still within the realms of healthy sexual fantasy. Its extreme, but its not overboard.
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 11:24PM
I can't legislate for mental illness. At least, not at this time... Anybody who looks at American society today and thinks its Anti-white is living in a truly Phantasmagorical version of reality. Most certainly so. Only a clear lack of historical context and understanding can bring someone to think the establishment is anti-white. Anybody who denies this is not living in the same world I'm afraid. Edited by - TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles on 3/14/2016 11:26:14 PM
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 11:26PM
Funny how people who champion "free speech", always get pissy when someone else calls them out on some fucked up shit they say. If you're gonna be racist or offensive, then at least have the backbone to not whine when people call you out on it. The whole trumpeters culture is basically about saying "let me say what i want, but please don't tell me how foul i am because i'm real sensitive about that. I want to be free to offend whoever i want without suffering any social backlash.". Example: complaining about people because they have the nerve to talk about social political issues in a thread that asks the question, "is IR becoming too PC?".
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 11:27PM
^^^Ah, so while TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles thinks that anyone who disagrees with him is a coon or a racist, you think that people who enjoy porn that you don't are pieces of shit and sick fucks. Now I see what the difference is: Tolerance. Fans and defenders of raceplay have it, you two don't. Edited by - misspornUSA on 3/14/2016 11:28:02 PM
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 11:29PM
uh, that is, by definition, what indifference is. If i'm aware that Nike uses child slave labor to make its shoes, and I buy their shoes anyways, i can't turn around and try to say "but it doesn't mean i'm indifferent to the plight of those children". People don't give a fuck and they don't want to be reminded that they don't give a fuck. These are interesting times.
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 11:32PM
You're still fishing for Gazelle's in a lake, even as 10-15 bystanders have notified you that Gazelle's don't live in water he is asking the question Why would anyone see the need to enjoy porn that displays a completely destructive and negative portrayal of an entire race of people, or a type of porn which is entirely based on degrading or dehumanizing the participant? And its a damn good question. Ghetto Gaggers to me is absolutely despicable and disgusting. And anybody who likes that stuff obviously has severe problems which are not being addressed. That much we can all see. Mind you that doesn't mean I am advocating its censorship. But rather questioning why people are getting upset at porn moving forward by not displaying animalistic and negative imagery for an entire race of people who have been subjugated in American society for 400 years?
You do understand that said dehumanization and slavery didn't start in America, right? Slavery was a thriving, economy-driving industry originating in and pervading throughout Africa, not just from coast to coast, but also spanned continents for almost 1,000 years before the first slaves were brought to the Americas. Dredging up history only to the point which it is convenient to you does not make for a compelling argument. If you want to go back that far, then why not keep going? World history doesn't start simply where it becomes convenient to your narrative. But none of that is an answer for the plain and simple fact that some people are into masochism. Some people are into degradation. It's just like BDSM. It's just like women who like being called bitch and slut and aggressively fucked up the butt. It's just like men who like being cucked. Some guys like having their nuts trampled. All of this would exist regardless of any episodes in history you want to refer to. All of it.
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 11:35PM
You're comparing buying a real sneaker made by real children who are really living in miserable conditions to watching a fictional fantasy-based roleplay scenario in porn. Interesting times indeed. Edited by - misspornUSA on 3/14/2016 11:36:05 PM
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 11:46PM
You don't want to debate history with me. Lets start the session.Right off the bat there's an informal logical fallacy of Equivocation on the word "slavery" which can contain many propositions. The most common form of slavery was debt-slavery, punishment for crimes, prisoners of war. A wholesale economy of chattel slavery did not really arrive on the continent until the Arab slave trade. So don't sit there and lecture me about slavery. Nobody in Africa was branding slaves with hot irons, systematically lynching slaves, tying them to horses and decapitating slaves, they were not forcing babies out of the slave mothers womb. They were not feeding slave babies to animals. Nor where they forcing slaves to have sex with their mothers and fathers. There is a distinct difference between one tribe of Africans enslaving another tribe due to conquest, and a systematic destruction and dehumanization of another race of peoples. Like I said most accounts of slavery in African was debt-based or war-based conquest. What did I say earlier in the thread? White fragility will always boil down to BLAMING THE VICTIM. Instead of looking at what the European did to Africans, which is the root of Black America's problem in society today, you say "hey but those Africans enslaved each other" .... Newsflash, every country, culture and continent has enslaved themselves. Asians on Asians, Europeans on Europeans, Arab on Arab etc. There is no documented form of chattel slavery where a child was FORBIDDEN from learning about its ancestry. African tribes didn't do that to children of another African tribe. But white Europeans did it to Black chattel slaves. Europeans tied pregnant women to horses and beat the horse, splitting the female in two. That's not slavery, that's systematic genocide and destruction of a people. So spare me.I would advise you to take your own advice. And please don't blame the victim. Its unbecoming of you. Just address reality.Indeed. But do not be surprised if people who are aware of an on-going castigation of their people, take offense to such material. Edited by - TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles on 3/14/2016 11:48:18 PM
Do you spend time going into BDSM threads, specifically male on female, preaching to them about how fucked up they are? Do you spend time going into FEMDOM threads to tell them how sick they are? You're way too judgmental. I don't think you have even a layman's grasp of what most people who are into that stuff are like. For you to judge them all like that is galling. What are you even doing here? You could complain about virtually every topic here and call people sick. I think you, like Tasty, have incredible difficulty with the concept of fantasy v. reality. As I've declared several times, like you I'm not a fan of Ghettogaggers or facialabuse, but much unlike you, I tolerate those things and would not been so eager to cast sweeping aspersions against the people into those themes. You and Tasty are displaying extreme intolerance.
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 11:54PM
Do you realize Gazelle's don't live in water? Those two things are easily equatable and absolutely valid cognition. Seemingly, you may never understand this. Yes indeed, what you consider a "fictional fantasy based roleplay" is a subset of an entertainment medium that imposes or imprints subconscious imagery on the mass society at large. Some of the message imprinted in the subconscious can be negative, destructive and wholly unhealthy due to the nature of the IR raceplay in question. So by ignoring the fact that porn does have a role to play as part of a large machinery which furthers this agenda, you in fact are indifferent to the situation. And in fact propagate the continuation of something that has very real consequences. As you touch yourself to IR raceplay, you think you live in a bubble. You don't realize its a segment of media that reiterates and reinforces certain views about black males to the general society, whether you choose to accept it or not. The pre-cognition or presuppositions some white people have about black people come from all sectors of media and entertainment. Not just porn. But porn can in fact reinforce it. That's the point. Once again, white fragility will not allow some people to ever truly examine what I am saying
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 11:59PM
You and misspornUSA are displaying extreme ARROGANCE by dismissing our concerns out of hand. Edited by - TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles on 3/14/2016 11:59:54 PM
Your analogy doesn't make sense. Missporn was contrasting fantasies with reality. You're only describing actual indifference to actual oppression. No one in porn is being oppressed within the parameters we're discussing. Certainly none of the dudes in HushHush porn, or those who keep working for Dogfart. They don't have to do that if they don't want to. Comparing that to child labor is repugnant and absurd. Kids born into such destitution that they are forced to work in order to live, where families have to send their kids off to work on plantations like in the Ivory Coast, is in no way comparable to Rico Strong playing a kidnapper in a porn fantasy scenario. If he didn't want to do that, then he could turn it down. I'm getting sick of this argument of perpetually passing the buck. Shane Diesel, Richard Mann, Boz, Rico Strong, and all other black male pornstars have rights. They can turn down offers. They don't even have to work in porn, for fuck's sake! This isn't forced on them. Perpetually denying self-agency and self-empowerment is in essence to forfeit your rights and power. Sure, if you keep doing that and insisting you are a victim, to the point if affects your behavior, you're just making yourself a slave. This is fucking laughable when you contrast it with the reality, in which these dudes are getting paid to fuck countless hot women. This is a real life fantasy for them, and they can take it or leave it. They are NOT SLAVES. They are NOT OPPRESSED.
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Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 12:07AM
....uh oh, looks like we have a scholar here. You even mentioned Kush. I know this is a porn forum, but lol I always get thrilled when I see someone who also READS and educates themselves.
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Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 12:10AM
lol thank you
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Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 12:10AM
I've long held the position that discussing race in america is a complete and utter fucking waste of time. I'll continue to hold that position.
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Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 12:16AM
I'm slightly startled at the lack of willingness to comprehend anything in this thread on the part of you and misspornUSA. I'm ever so slightly amazed by it, but not at all shocked nor even surprised by it. 50 cents, Snoop Dogg, Lil Wayne, Jay Z, Ja Rule, Migos, Lil Durk, The Game etc. these black males had rights too, they could turn down offers too. They didn't have to make music. Nobody forced it on them. Guess what? It doesn't change the fact these black males made catchy music about selling drugs, pimping hoes, shooting guns and killing each other - all vices which have destroyed black neighborhoods all over America and continue to do so. Is it therefore all okay because they are black men themselves? The fact these men have personal agency to do as they please, and so they decide to do something which is inherently destructive to their own people, does not get them off the hook in anyway. Nor does it mean that the mere mentioning of their name is a warrant for wholesale approval of their actions. Nor does it imply that the members of the society they represent do not have logical and valid concerns for their portrayals of black males. We can see their personal agency, and we can also castigate and criticize these black performers for perpetuating a negative stereotype of black males in American culture. They are not above reproach. Try and understand that simple concept. Edited by - TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles on 3/15/2016 12:18:12 AM
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Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 12:17AM
If you've read any of my posts, i don't know why you'd ask if i go into BDSM threads and attack them. Also, yes, i'm cool with being intolerant to things that are destructive in our society. You're cool or indifferent or comfortably oblivious, thats your deal. I'm not gonna just ignore it. The shit isn't cool, I don't support it, I don't tolerate it. Deal. I mean you guys talk about fantasy vs reality, but as I already asked, why the fuck does the fantasy always have to be negative? Why is the black male the thug,rapist,gangster,convict,etc.?. Why does the woman need to be pissed on or have her head stepped on during anal sex? Seriously, do you have an answer? also "its not real" is not an answer. I'm asking why those things are always the fantasy? I like weird shit in porn, but I don't like shit thats there soley to humiliate or dehumanize someone for the sake of someone else rubbing one out. Thats fucked up anyway you slice it.
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Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 12:21AM
I really want you to try and understand something here. The purpose of my analogy has NOTHING to do with the realities of child slavery. My analogy is to display how being indifferent works. Both you and miss porn have conveniently played simple and focused on "omg you compared child slavery to porn.". This is what is known as strawmanning and argument.
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Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 12:23AM
Always succinct and full of impact. For some strange reason they want to be able to revel in their ability to enjoy porn which constantly depicts black males in a derogatory unhelpful destructive and unhealthy manner, yet strangely, they get upset when some people criticize them for this "acquired taste" that they have developed. Is the incessant need to hear the "N word" coming out of a white female's mouth as she's being dicked down by some black thug so important to these folk, that they lose the ability to comprehend rational discourse?
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Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 12:29AM
I know how indifference works, and I know that you have no evidentiary basis for your theory that fans of raceplay don't care about the real life oppression of black people.
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Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 12:33AM
clearly not. You don't care about the real life oppression of black people. If you did you would acknowledge the fact that people can be influenced on a subconscious basis. And that subconscious mental imprints can be imposed on people (they may not even be aware of it). But watching raceplay IR porn will implant ideas and suggestions into your subconscious you will not be directly aware of. The question is still unanswered...Why in this fantasy, is the black male always a thug, a criminal, a lay-about, a vile destructive character who imposes his will on an innocent white female?. What aspect of your reality makes you gravitate towards black males depicting themselves in an unhealthy and destructive manner? This is the question you will never answer because it challenges your white racial expectations and your inherent sense of entitlement to racial comfort and security. Something I will never provide to you. Ignoring this fact, means you ignore the obvious fact that entertainment media is perception management. It means you ignore the race-divide in America, where white establishment has systematically done everything to keep black people down in America using any means necessary. I already told you porn is just a subset of a larger media machine. People's prejudicial thoughts and opinions on black people have already been implanted from other forms of media, porn however is capable of reinforcing these. The fact you choose to willfully act oblivious to this, means you obviously don't care for real life oppression of black people. Even if you think you do. The sad reality of this all, is you know I am right, you KNOW you don't really care, but you do not like being told you don't really care. That's the issue Edited by - TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles on 3/15/2016 12:37:38 AM
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Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 12:38AM
"whataboutism" does not excuse a behavior. Also, slavery in the ancient world was more akin to indentured servitude. I've seen people try to deflect, when faced with the subject of the trans atlantic slave trade, by citing slavery in africa. Slaves in africa were usually POWs who eventually integrated into their new society. It was not unusual at all for a slave owner to free and marry a slave. One of the things that was so unique about the trans atlantic slave trade, was the fact that the dehumanization of the enslaved was central in its practice. Slaves in antiquity were often educated right along side the children of the master. Enslaved africans in the TAS were killed if it was discovered that they could read even a little. They weren't allowed to even groom themselves or marry. They were cut off from their history and any knowledge of it was denied to them as well as europeans. This is how even to this day, if you say "Egyptians were Black" a person who's knows absolutely shit about ancient egypt, will debate you till their fingers fall off. If people would actually open a book once they graduate high school, they wouldn't do such silly things like try compare slavery in antiquity to the TAS trade. Of course, that attempted deflection is a prime example of the mentioned "white fragility". When confronted with the disgraceful history of this country, your response is to turn to "whataboutism" as if to say "well we weren't the only ones so...we weren't so bad.". Well you're wrong. Americans need to own up to their fucked up history. Its the mature thing to do. Wait till you really start reading the journals of slave masters and of columbus.......... oh and the native americans did not come to this continent by walking across a fucking glacier. Edited by - Jedi Master Bates on 3/15/2016 12:47:29 AM
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Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 12:46AM
You know how indifference works.....but then you say this: I know that you have no evidentiary basis for your theory that fans of raceplay don't care about the real life oppression of black people. Ironic. Look, maybe i was wrong. People like that aren't indifferent. They suffer from an extreme form of delusion.
Which is exactly what I am talking about. The trans-Saharan slave trade began nearly 1,000 years before the first slaves were brought to the Americas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Saharan_trade I highly recommend you listen to this lecture by Marcus Garvey's son. 2 hours of vast knowledge on the subject. Learn About the Trans-Saharan Slave Trade Summarized comparison: Trans-Atlantic slave trade - 4 centuries, beginning circa 17th century AD. 12 million slaves Trans-Saharan slave trade - 14 centuries, beginning circa 7th century AD. 50 million slaves Chattel slavery certainly didn't start in the Americas. And of course slavery did not either. But it was abolished there and in all other European nations. Which is more than could be said of regions like Mauritania, which only formally outlawed slavery in the previous decade.I don't have to because you just defeated yourself, citing precisely what I was talking about, only very clearly not knowing the extent it entailed.No, you are grossly misinformed. As you would learn from the links I posted above, chattel slavery, and not just chattel slavery, but also including specifically sexual slavery, was all a regular part of the trans-Saharan slave trade. They were treated as chattel. They were owned and forced to labor, deforesting vast regions for African ruled kingdoms, and working to death on plantations for arab owners as well as Indian. The routes spanned from the west coast to the east, and up into the Arabian peninsula, and along the coasts to India. Men were commonly castrated, forced to become eunuchs. Listen to Garvey. He's not lying.This explains it perfectly. There you go again, making yourself a perpetual victim. You're still acting like you are forbidden from getting an education. As if you are forbidden from educating yourself. You know you could just look all this up for yourself, don't you? No one is holding you back. You aren't shackled. You aren't banned from libraries.Spare yourself. Get educated.Who brought up slavery?So now you get the whole point of this? All of this conspiracy and history amounts to infinitesimal significance, in light of this last concession. I am not at all surprised that someone might find some porn offensive. But I am shocked when people are so outraged and intolerant of the fantasies of others that they would try and jump on a platform to disparage, malign, and cast sweeping aspersions toward enormous populations. That is going overboard, and it's insulting. Sure, the sensitive PC police can say aggressive porn where females are manhandled is offensive. But it's entirely another issue when they want to declare the people who are into that as perpetuating oppression and actual victimization. These are serious allegations. And you should never feel it is safe to assume you can conflate the tolerance of some adult fantasies with tolerance toward actual oppression.
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Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 12:51AM
^^Naïve, delusional, pieces of shit, sick fucks, coons, racists... What a merry couple you and TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles are. What adjectives will you two think of next? Edited by - misspornUSA on 3/15/2016 12:58:36 AM
That part in bold is key, because it rather perfectly crystallizes why both of you are wasting your time and energy. NO ONE IN HERE IS IN FAVOR OF WHAT YOU HAVE DESCRIBED, SOMETHING THAT EXISTS SOLELY TO DEHUMANIZE SOMEONE NO ONE IS SUPPORTING OR EVEN TOLERATING THAT You guys keep projecting that idea. But we have to keep reminding you, virtually all the regulated porn out there involves willing participants who enjoy being on both ends of the porn you are watching, and not only do they enjoy it, they profit from it. This automatically constitutes multiple grounds for which merit is established which exceeds the purposes of solely dehumanizing someone. If indeed you came across some type of sexual exploitation which exists solely to dehumanize someone, then yes, that's fucked up. We're on the same page. I think anyone could agree that is fucked up. Fortunately, 99.99999999% of all the porn I've been aware of exists for much more than that - even if it SEEMS to be ostensibly dehumanizing. Even if it seems to be harsh toward women or men or any particular demographic. Because what you would be quite shocked to find, as Tasty is so quick to dismiss, is that as a matter of fact, the audiences for that type of thing often include many of said, ostensibly victimized demographic. People lashed out against porn saying it was inherently misogynistic. How ironic that sooooo many porn viewers, enthusiasts and consumers happen to be women. How doubly ironic that so many women who enjoy porn may also particularly enjoy porn that is especially aggressive toward women! Just like how it is so ironic that someone complains that IR/Ethnic porn is sooooo offensive toward various demographics, and yet you would find that its consumers are largely represented by those very demographics. This is the elephant in the room which keeps being skirted. I can already predict you might object that "but I am not that elephant, nor am I concerned with that elephant's business." It doesn't matter whether you are that elephant or not. The elephant exists, and he is the main reason why the very types of porn you disapprove of exist. Women enjoy porn, and many enjoy the type that exhibits extra aggression toward women. Various ethnicities enjoy ethnic and IR porn, even stuff like Dogfart which typically had portrayed black males as thuggish. You would be shocked by how many black fans there are for that. I personally used to criticize Dogfart about the very same things you and Tasty decry. But then I realized, tons of other black people enjoy it. I'm not about to waste any more time trying to castigate people about their fantasies and kinks, so long as they are acted out with consent. Just let it be.
You're not making a cogent argument with that. What she said makes perfect logical sense, on top of which she has been considerate and well meaning. You guys are just resorting to insults instead of rebuttals. This has become a textbook example of projection. Those who had been railing on and on about something being so offensive so far have been the only ones to result to offensive insults. And are you sincerely denying that it was not a deliberate attempt to demagog this issue by invoking child labor concerns? It's patently obvious your argument was predicated on shaming people for their indifference, and then you bring up indifference toward child labor. This is shameful demagoguery. Now whether you backpedal from that or not, it doesn't matter. You've conceded that there is no comparison with actual serious victimization such as that with whatever you think enthusiastic pornstars enjoy doing. Again I have to refer to HushHush. It's clear as day those guys had fun doing porn their way and no one forced them to do it. And that's specifically to the topic and the point where this whole debate took off. Actually, if anyone was being forced into that N-word raceplay, it wasn't the guys. It was the girls. Some of them didn't seem comfortable with it, but they were continually goaded on. That was all on the bros. But I'm not judging them. You and tasty are the most judgmental people in here. So you're going to have to judge them. And it seems Tasty is content to just shrug and dismiss it like its irrelevant. How inconvenient. He chooses to ignore it, to look the other way and say "but that's none of my business."
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Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 1:33AM
I am well aware of this fact already. This should be evident in my previous commentThis is a nonsensical statement, because I already made it clear I knew about the Trans-Saharan slavery. I knew it went on for longer than the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. There is no aspect of what I said that would imply I did not "know the extent it entailed" as you nonsensically put it. Pseudo-intellectualism at its finest. The reality is Black America's problems do not stem from the Trans-Saharan slave trade, because that happened in Africa. it stems from the Trans-Atlantic slave trade because that is the one that brought black Africans to America. And it was vile and absolutely inhumanely cruel in its deployment, something that debt-slavery or punishment-slavery or POW-slavery between African tribes was not. You're talking about the Arab Trans-Saharan slavery once again. Which is already addressed. Notice this was perpetuated by Arabs, NOT Africans. I am telling you AFRICANS NEVER PARTICIPATED IN CHATTEL SLAVERY AGAINST OTHER AFRICANS. It took place on the continent as I clearly said in my response "when the Arabs arrived". The statement "chattel slavery was not practiced until the arrival of the Arabs" is not just a sequence of words my friend, it contains in it many propositions. These are the fact that chattel slavery exists as a 'thing', Arabs are a group of people that exist, Arabs went to Africa, and Arabs brought chattel slavery with them into Africa. Once again, You tried to conflate and equivocate the meaning word "slavery" and I called you out on it. Explaining to you that it wasn't until the Arab slave trade arrived that chattel slavery was a thing in Africa. Africans however, never subjugated fellow Africans to chattel slavery. And NO the invading Arabs were NOT Africans. So not sure what your point is?I have forgotten more about this history than you will ever know. This comment had nothing to do with the historical context I laid out for you when describing the type of slavery Europeans inflicted on Africans. What a pathetic attempt at being an intellectual. You are deceitful to the very core and its absolutely amusing to me. I was explaining the difference between African Prisoner Of War (POW) style slavery or debt based indentured servitude to the European style chattel slavery. To which I made reference to the fact black slaves were not allowed to learn about their ancestry and heritage. Something I explained was never done by Africans enslaving other Africans prior to the Trans-Saharan slavery AT NO POINT IN THAT COMMENT DID I SAY I WAS PREVENTED FROM HAVING AN EDUCATION!!. We can safely put that away as a pathetic, ultra-strange, hyper-weird attempt at a straw-man argument. Ditto and make it quick.What does that have to do with you failing to remain intellectually consistent and truthful? I brought up slavery to which you tried to chastise me with facts you think I didn't know or wasn't going to be aware of. All in a sly bid to perform "whataboutism" where you can look at your dreadful blood-soaked history and deflect by saying "Africans did it too" - until of course, you were promptly schooled on the matter. Only someone who's people did not have to endure 400 years of dehumanization would make such a statement. I am even more outraged when the complaints and concerns of people who are members of a particular group which is undergoing constant oppression and subterfuge are arrogantly dismissed by people who completely lack all ability to self-evaluate and actually examine their likes and desires in context. People who are more willing to deflect and try to rationalize away their own disgusting history simply because their sense of entitlement to white racial comfort is challenged and examined, or because white racial expectations and racial codes are challenged. You love to point to black males who perform these IR raceplays. As if pointing to 50 cents, Ja Rule, The Game, Lil Wayne, NWA as black entertainers that rapped about selling drugs, and killing other black males, somehow makes it okay? so what if a bunch of black people derive finance and entertainment from a self-destructive culture, does that mean other members of the group cannot criticize them for promoting a self defeating message? Lets get down to it, For some reason you love seeing black males depicted in a violent, unhealthy or derogatory way, yet you take offence when others ask you simple questions such as Why the black man always has to be the thug, the vile criminal, the beast like character, why the black man always has to be the escape convict in your so-called fantasies?...of course no reply is forthcoming. In which case we have to contend that your views are simply predicated on your belief that people should be free to enjoy what they want to enjoy, blissfully unaware of the reality that entertainment media can be used to enforce or reinforce as the case may be. But once again white fragility never allows you to see it from any bodies perspective because you are so used to psychological white authority. its 2016. things have changed buddy. Your stance is arrogant, insulting and derogatory in nature because you do not wish to accept there could be a genuine issue with the way black males are portrayed in porn. for you we must "go along to get along". But its easy for you to say that because you grew up with the spoils of Africans who built your nation. Your contempt for blacks taking issue with a type of entertainment you enjoy shows your true character. Nobody ever said you directly perpetuate the oppression, but your lack of deeper understanding means you are in fact, indifferent to it.It's one and the same at the end of the day, you enjoy hearing the N word thrown around a studio and seeing black males being depicted as thugs and criminals, even when I have told you such depictions can cause a subconscious imprint on white america, further reinforcing their views on black males. that simply fact is always ignored and by your refusal to accept that simple reality you in fact indirectly support and further perpetuate actual oppression. Yes you bloody well do. Edited by - TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles on 3/15/2016 1:35:09 AM
You mentioned the arab slave trade, and yet if you knew anything about it, you could not have come to the conclusions you did.The trans-Saharan slave trade was the blueprint for the TAS. It lasted for nearly 7 centuries before the Europeans came to buy slaves to take to the Americas. There were infrastructures established. Trade routes. Way points. Political alliances. They had cities built of cages which dotted the trade routes within Africa, spanning the continent. The Euros couldn't ever manage to get that far into the continent, and if they could, the cost of such expeditions would have been far too deadly and certainly not economically viable. Africans rounded up weaker Africans. Mostly they were ensnared in the arab slave trade aka the trans-Saharan slave trade, which went north, south, east and west from the desert. When this practice becomes so prevalent that it is a driving force in the whole continent's economy, and it goes on for several centuries, it is impossible that the emergence of the trans-Atlantic slave trade did not stem from it. If you're trying to make the leap that Shane Diesel and other black male pornstars in the 21 century are powerless and forced to engage in raceplay which they happen to also enjoy but also means they are hapless victims at the same time, then the connection of the slave trades is ironclad. That's why I say you can't just stop and start history at your convenience. These things are all related.Of course. As usual you're just passing the buck. Arabs traded with Africans. That implicates Africans. Do you not know of any African kingdoms or empires which profited off of slave labor? Do you not know of any tribes, kingdoms, or empires which participated in the acquisition of slaves and the selling? Slaves came and went. You know how most civilizations had currencies like coins or minerals or food? These folks had slaves. They were either conquered by dominant warring tribes and then sold to the African elites and royalty, or the Arabs would buy them. No foreign force could do that alone. This system lasted for over 1,000 years. And while tens of millions of Africans suffered from this, many became wealthy and powerful. You cannot just shrug at that, and act like there is no culpability to go around. I know all you want to do is point fingers at everyone else. You've been doing it the entire discussion.I have conflated nothing. What do you call it when Africans are conquering weaker tribes, tens of millions of other Africans, rounding them up and selling them like so much chattel? Africans had been living alongside and intermixing with Arab-descended peoples for thousands of years by this point! Asiatics had been in Africa for at least 3 thousand years by the time the trans-Saharan slave trade began. They were as much a part of the African milieu as possible.And yet you keep saying you are a victim of all this. So what does it matter that you dredge up instances in which some people were victimized in ways which they no longer are, unless you wanted to insinuate you're being robbed of information. But you're on the same world wide web I am. You have the same access to information as I do. But you keep explicitly stating you're a victim.My history? Who the fuck do you think you are and who the fuck do you think you're talking to? You want to play the perpetual victim and just blame everyone else and talk about how your plight is unique. The only thing that makes it unique is that unlike the trans-Saharan slave trade, which Africans profited off of for over 1,000 years and built empires off of, the trans-Atlantic slave trade ended in a comparatively short amount of time and cost over half a million lives of people who had no slaves. They were victims too. My history? You know nothing about me. You've got some fucking gall, while slave systems which began in Africa several centuries before the trans-Atlantic slave trade began, and continued for over 140 years after abolition in the Americas, to judge people you know nothing about.People who are willing to deflect? That's all you have been doing this entire discussion! Not once have you acknowledged that the principle activity this thread is about involves WILLING participants! You're fucking talking about conspiracies. You're talking about terrorism. You're talking about the Nazis. You're talking about slavery. YOUR WHOLE ARGUMENT HERE IS A MASSIVE COLOSSAL GALACTIC CLUSTERFUCK OF DEFLECTIONS.Again, you know nothing about me or my history, and the fact you think you can judge others that way is quite telling. You need to deal with your disgusting present day individual reputation. Not forever concern yourself with presumed ancient histories of others ancestors.I never mentioned "50 cents, Ja Rule, The Game, Lil Wayne" but it's great you realize there are plenty more examples who have power and with that power comes responsibility. But you don't believe in power, so of course you say all of that is "none of my business." You just blame the FBI. Blame the CIA. Blame slavery. Deny power in any capacity. You don't see black people with any power, so you can't see them as having any rights. That's why you keep going to victimization narratives of slavery."So what?"? "SO WHAT?"? That destroys your whole narrative of helpless, powerless, perpetually oppression and victimization. You're criticizing the wrong people. You're blaming shit on things from over a thousand years ago. You're blaming shit on the FBI. NONE OF THAT HAS SHIT TO DO WITH SHANE DIESEL OR ANYONE ELSE AND THEIR RIGHTS TO ENGAGE IN CONSENSUAL ROLEPLAY FANTASIES. "WHATABOUTISM" INDEED! Your whole argument is whataboutism.You're a despicable troll, and this preceding quote clearly demonstrates you've not understood my position from the first page. You want to misrepresent me so deliberately, so isn't the door open for others to do the same with you? You clearly don't care to accurately characterize the views of those you're speaking to. So couldn't someone use your same tactics and say "For some reason you love seeing black males as helpless, powerless victims, who are forced to rap and celebrate poor values, and forced to do porn and tell girls to call them the N-word"? Go back. All the way back. To the first arguments I put forth. I explicitly stated I do not support those types of portrayals exclusively. I explicitly stated it's better if portrayals are varied, not all the same. You are the one injecting such characterizations of exclusively vile beast like characters. That's your interpretation and your words. No one else here has called for that. You're misconstruing tolerance for idealization. You're conflating acceptance of a varied range with insistence on the same restricted note. This is only like the 9th time you have totally distorted and mischaracterized the views of others here... It's getting old.Blissfully unaware is your condition of ignorance toward the fact that many black people have power and have their own fantasies and are not victims in every last scenario. Certainly not in pornos where they say what they want and act how they want and do what they want and tell others to say what they want them to say. That's as free and liberated as almost any pornstars get.Arrogant, insulting and derogatory? You're the only person in this thread saying that another person's skin color in here invalidates their views, indeed that their skin color automatically means they are cognitively incapable of caring about this or other issues outside a racist mindset. You keep banging on about white fragility, but no one has attacked your ignorance based on your presumed race. Has anyone said your ignorace is "black ignorance"? Has anyone said any racially charged insult about you personally? This thread is a record filled with your insults towards others, your intolerance, and your deliberate ignorance of greater principles that transcend myopic self interest.You just accused me of loving intentionally dehumanizing portrayals which according to you do perpetuate this oppression. Again this shows you haven't been following what I have said. My view is respecting the fantasies of others, regardless of their race, as long as what they entail are legal and consensual.Ok, if I indirectly support it, then who directly supports it? Oh right, the black guys you clearly don't care about. Cuz that's none of your business... And the black audiences who do also pay for that type of porn. The cognitive dissonance is real. At the end of all this, after all the history lessons and conspiracies, we are left with the same divide. You don't tolerate open-minded acceptance of fantasies of others, and you don't respect black entertainers in music who portray themselves as gangstas and you don't respect black porn performers who sometimes portray themselves as disreputable characters. I do tolerate and respect these creative decisions. It is not freedom when you tell others what they can't do in the domain of artistic expression or fantasy or entertainment. I do not insist they all need to adhere to negative portrayals, but in fact, I insist they do not. I insist they be varied. But in order to be varied you have to accept good and bad. That is freedom. Edited by - Melvyn on 3/15/2016 3:52:10 AM Edited by - Melvyn on 3/15/2016 3:58:13 AM
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Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 7:21AM
Right off the bat, simply a nonsensical statement...moving right along Utter rubbish from someone who is truly NOT a scholar on the subject. The Trans-Saharan slave trade was absolutely not a blueprint for the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. the trade routes and way points were entirely different, the means of acquiring slaves was entirely different, the methods of capture, coercion and sale were entirely different. The reasons for the growth were entirely different. Just more nonsense and garbage from someone who tries to appear learned on the subject. Just a veneer of course None of that is even relevant to the TAS at all. The trade routes of the TAS did not even converge with the trade routes of the Arab slave trade because much of the Arab slave trade was inland, taking place in areas like Yemen and Djibouti, Somali etc. whereas the TAS was primarily carried out from outposts located on the coasts of Africa's vast geography and also islands located nearby such as the Canary Islands, south west of Morocco. Areas such as the Canary islands were conquered by the Portuguese under the direction of the King of Castille. It was done by conquest initially and then developed into a trade with goods coming in from Europe via the coast. And then from this outpost the 1st phase of the major slave trade began conducted by the Portuguese, with slaves being exported to the Caribbean primarily. The 2nd phase featuring the British and Dutch would rely more heavily on working with vassals, kings and governments to arrange trade deals with emissaries.Yes the Europeans didn't go deep into Africa. But you are once again wrong (unsurprisingly), most of the slaves were absolutely NOT ensnared by the Arab Slave trade, rather most of them were prisoners of war and criminals who had been captured by different warring African states. The vast majority of slaves exported during the TAS trade were either captives due to war (POW), criminals or free men who were simply kidnapped. Hardly any where actually already slaves on the continent at the time. You would know that if you were a scholar - but alas, all you do is watch YouTube videos And thus, you are not really a scholar so of course you wouldn't be expected to know this. The reality is most African states did not have a prison system at the time and sold most of their criminals as slaves. In addition, crimes started being punished with enslavement when previously they were not. This was to cash in on the slave trade which was booming business. In other words, Principalities were using the slave trade to get rid of their criminals and unwanted folk. But eventually kidnap parties also began as people started plundering the continent. But by far the major reason for the number of slaves was actually due to war on the continent, there were large expansions of empire taking place in Africa at the time and warring tribes would take POWs and transport them to the outposts on the coasts of Africa and sell them on to places such as the Canary islands which acted as a holding depot for the slave cargo. One such example was the Asante' empire which was expanding and conquering areas of Africa at the time. Recent historical analysis of course shows that many of these slave traders in Africa where completely unaware of what was being prepared for these slaves in Europe and the Americas. Perhaps if they knew these slaves would be tortured, beaten to death, branded with hot irons, forced to have sex with their mothers and fathers, forced to remain uneducated without a knowledge of self etc. Perhaps they wouldn't have been so keen to sell so many slaves to Europeans. Remember the African idea of slavery was much milder. So in effect, we're talking about an entirely new commerce which was a triangular trade, goods shipped from Europe into Africa, slaves from Africa shipped to the Caribbean and other such slave plantations (including some in the New World), and then goods from the Caribbean et al - shipped to North America and Europe. The inception of this has nothing to do with the Arab slave trade taking place further inland in the continent. Furthermore, if the Arab slave trade was a blueprint for the TAS trade, why did so many slaves die en route to the docks? I mean if you have a system that has been running for 1000 years, you'd have your way points, trade routes and transport road maps pretty much nailed on. it would be efficient and run like a well oiled machine. Well it didn't run like a well oiled machine, it was chaos. You wouldn't have people dying en route to be loaded unto ships if you were using established practice for over 1000 years. Anywhere from 25-50% of captives died before boarding ships..... Oh wait, I forgot, you're not actually a scholar. You just pretend to be one Also, the inception of the TAS trade lies in shortages in the labour force in Europe and the New World. Please get educated! To conclude, You are WRONG yet again and are not a true historian. The Trans Atlantic Slave trade did NOT stem from the Arab slave trade. Get your facts right Mr. Psuedo-Intellectual, Get educated. What a joke comment in its entirety. Nobody says anything about these black male pornstars being forced to do anything. I already told you people can do things for financial or personal gain and still be perpetuating a negative image of their own people unbeknownst to them. I gave you examples of musicians who make violent music, promote drugs and encourage gang lifestyle. These people are not above reproach just because they happen to be the same color as the people they are doing a disservice to. try and understand that finally. Its not that hard, you can do it. I believe in you :)The point I am making is Arabs instigated the chattel slavery in Africa. Before that time, slavery was primarily debt-based or a punishment for crime. And slaves would be free to marry and get an education. They were often seen as part of the family. Likewise, children of slaves did not automatically become slaves (it was not hereditary). my point is the inception of the Arab slave trade changed all that for the worse.I'll grant you this.Are you really implying the Trans Atlantic slave trade has nothing to do with the state of black people in America today? You truly are deceitful beyond words if so... So you mean to tell me that a group of people being subjugated, dehumanized, brainwashed, beaten, kept uneducated, brutalized, killed and forced to work for nothing in a foreign continent has no bearing on the fact that today black people are a broken and shattered people all over the the United States? You mean to tell me that even after slavery as black people tried to get themselves together, the repeated violence, segregation, Jim Crow laws, KKK lynching, bombings etc had no effect? That is something only a historical truant could say. Of course it has everything to do with it. 400 years of brutality and Willie Lynch dehumanization is bound to have some sort of effect on the mindset of the peoples affected. hahaha Of course you are not aware of the study of Epigenetics, largely because you're not even a scholar. It's always so easy for people who were not affected to tell other people to "just move on" from certain tragedies that befell their people. Yet its funny, you would never tell a Jew "what does it matter that you dredge up instance in which some Jews were put in furnaces and concentration camps by the Nazi's?" - I dare you to say that to a Jew. You don't have the balls for it... But you'll readily say it to black people, even though you are aware of the 400 years of black Holocaust in America. How utterly shameful. But it doesn't surprise me, your ancestors were not the ones affected. It is statements like this that let me know white america is not prepared to understand cause and effect, its totally lost on you. And therefore you will never be able to understand the historical context of the nature of black people today. short of a miracle.I think I'm talking to an inconsiderate Liar, and an intellectual FRAUD - That's who. Yes I said it, I'm talking about your YOUR FUCKING HISTORY. so fucking what??? You have utter contempt for my ancestors by telling me to "what does it matter...". It matters a whole lot to people who can see their race was put through immense suffering at the hands of foreigners. That's why it matters. The way you speak about such events, means I have no need to respect your own fucking history.This is just projection of course. Many times I have basically stated I am pleased with the way IR is progressing. I have stated I am totally and completely against raceplay IR but in no way do I seek its censorship. But I do have a right to speak against it. Your PERVERSIONS combined with white fragility do not allow you see that. Point blank period, I do not understand why in your fantasies, its always the black man depicted as the thug and criminal. I also have no understanding of why you would seek out such material featuring racist language and unhealthy, destructive, negative imagery. I therefore speak out against it which I have a right to do, whether you like it or not.I know enough about you based on the way you come across. So I am qualified to discuss your disgusting history. And will do so un-apologetically. You are not used to having your sense of white dominance challenged. There is no way I will allow you any entitlement to white racial comfort. I will speak candidly and you must deal with it. You obviously do not care for my ancestors going by the type of things you've already stated in this thread, who the FUCK cares for yours?It also comes with the ability for members of that same group to challenge, criticize and chastise these males who perpetuate a negative image of black society to racist establishment white america.What a bizarre comment. I blame the FBI where they merit blame, I blame the CIA were they merit blame. Are you going to deny the FBI had a COINTELPRO operation against black people? deny it and then you deny reality. Are you going to deny the Iran-Contra affair did not specifically target black neighborhoods with crack cocaine? deny that and you also deny reality. Perhaps you'll deny the sun exists too? Who doesn't believe in power? What are you talking about black people with any power. I told you in a previous comment I can recognize the self-agency of black people to create the type of music they want, and to perform what they of porn they want. But it does not come with a shield from criticism. You constantly fail to understand this point. I already told you just because somebody is black and decided to make music which promotes violence, drug dealing, macking hoes, shooting other black males or somebody black become a pornstar and decided to act like a thug, a criminal, an animal or perpetuate the pre-conceived suppositions or racial stereotypes that race-divided white america already has, does not shield them from criticism if their actions are deemed to be negatively impacting the black people they are ostensibly representing whether they are aware of it or not. LOL at how you keep bringing up the FBI, you must likely have family involved in the FBI...your so obsessed with it. Yet at no point have you displayed that the blame I laid at the feet of the FBI was not warranted. There are declassified documented. When you're ready you can engage Google. This is what you just said: NONE OF THAT HAS SHIT TO DO WITH 50 CENT, JAY Z, LIL WAYNE OR ANYONE ELSE AND THEIR RIGHTS TO MAKE MUSIC WHICH PROMOTES DRUG DEALING, PROSTITUTION, STRIPPING, GANG VIOLENCE IN THE COMMUNITY AND MATERIALISM. That is literally what you are saying to me. You sound like you have a bad case of Van Buchem or Paget's disease. In other words Hyperostosis of the skull. Does anything even get through to your brain sir? I HAVE THE RIGHT TO CRITICIZE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE ENGAGING IN ACTIVITY WHICH COULD BE SEEN AS OR DEEMED TO BE NEGATIVELY IMPACTING A RACE OF PEOPLES. Let that sink in for just a moment please. They can have all the rights and freedoms to do what they please, I have the rights and freedoms to chastise them and criticize them for doing so. It's a 2 way street. Just because a black person happens to do something does not mean he/she is above reproach.DittoDid you or did you not admit you like watching raceplay IR? if you do like watching it, everything I said is true. You like watching porn where black males are depicted as criminals and the N word is thrown around. Correct? You do not support those portrayals exclusively. So sometimes you like to see black males depicted as thugs, hoodlums, criminals, dope dealers ? Sometimes you like having the N word thrown around on set? As far as I'm concerned, I made it clear I am against raceplay IR. so who cares what you're in the mood for. I am against raceplay IR completely. Again, not saying it should be censored. But I am happy to see less and less of it being produced. You may like to watch it sometimes, that's your prerogative. Obviously there's some reason why your fantasies might involve black males being depicted in a derogatory manner. Yet you do not answer the question as to Why you are (sometimes) interested in such media which depicts black people in a destructive light?They may be free to do as they please, but they are NOT free and NEVER will be free from my criticism if I feel their actions negatively affect a race of people. WILL YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND THAT!White fragility is a 'thing'. You might want to take an afternoon off being so condescending, preaching from your shoe box and generally being dismissive and actually go watch a YouTube lecture on the subject of white fragility which is a recognized ill in society. It's not something I made up. Although your natural tendency to deflect and dismiss did not allow you to see that.My view is raceplay IR is wholly destructive and unhealthy to the image of black people in race-divided America. Our views are entirely not compatible. Thankfully I am winning this battle as less and less raceplay IR is being produced. Clearly the path of the future is on my side on this issue. Eventually society will not have IR raceplay porn. I look forward to the day Once again, you think people can express whatever fantasies they feel like expressing. I would rather we didn't express negative and destructive race-based fantasies. I find IR raceplay abhorrent and unhealthy and this our views are not reconcilable.Only in you my good sir. The people who directly support it are anybody who fucking watches it, genius. The performers can only do so much. When you have time Google "supply and demand". If people didn't watch raceplay IR, nobody would be producing or directing it. The people who watch, support it. Whatever their color. Your all twisted and hung up on the fact that if some black people are into something, it therefore cannot be detrimental for black people as a whole. Hence why you cant understand why gangsta rap is a problem, it doesn't affect you. hence why you don't care about raceplay IR, it doesn't affect you. selfish selfish self-serving all the way. truly shameful.Our primary difference is you seem to think all is acceptable, whereas I believe negative stereotypes of a race should not be encouraged. Of course, you dismiss out of hand my concerns. there's that white fragility of course. You're absolutely correct. I do not respect black males who tell young black boys to deal drugs, and shoot each other. do you? I do not respect black males who tell black females to become prostitutes and gyrate in public for money? do you? apparently you do. Not surprising considering it doesn't affect you. It's not hard to work this all out. yes, I do not respect black porn performers who portray themselves as disreputable characters. Because they are unwittingly advancing white supremacy by reinforcing prejudicial views already held by a subset white america. I make no apologies for this. None whatsoever.Of course you do, it doesn't affect you when you promote and tolerate gangsta rap, because at the end of the day some little black boys in the hood get killed dealing drugs. Its no big deal, right? You see you don't surprise me. You're liberal and you're in favor of everything, which means you are essentially just a blow with the wind type of person I would rather gangsta rap did not exist in this form. I'd rather a brighter future for young black males. You are indifferent to this.They better be open to criticism when they inevitable do what they want to do. Applies to gangsta rappers who encourage gang violence and drug use, it also applies to porno actors who promote an idea of black males to establishment white society at large. Indeed.What you insist is meaningless to me and always will be. I do not agree with raceplay IR in any of its forms. I am not calling for censorship. But I do not agree with it at all. I do NOT want it to be varied. I would prefer no raceplay IR at all. Again, not calling for censorship. But I do not support it in any form. I'm afraid. Our views are not reconcilable. You are wishy washy and unaffected by it all, so your sense of perspective does not allow you to see things like I see them. I see a race and culture being attacked subliminally, you see fun and games. Its a warrior mentality (me) vs some sort of fly by night anything goes, hippy love personality (you). Again, our differences are irreconcilable. More hippy garbage for which I have barely any patience. I do not agree with raceplay IR because I see it as destructive and harmful to a race of people. They may have the freedom to engage in such activities, I therefore have the freedom to complain about it and express criticism of it. Thankfully I am winning this battle, as less and less IR raceplay porn is being produced. And hopefully the trend will continue. Edited by - TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles on 3/15/2016 7:23:28 AM
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Ben Mockridge Deactivated User
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Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 8:43AM
Its only natural that people are relatively indiferent to things that dont impinge on them directly - like white people being indiferent to rascism against black people, i mean why would white people eat themselves up about black peoples problems when white people have problems of their own. 4 sure some black people perceive IR race play to be a smallcog in of a larger evil of white supremacy and therefore objectionable but unless your indoctrinated with this way of thinking then people are more often than not simply watching gheetto gaggers etc cos they like black chiks and listening to gangsta rap cos they like the music. The black women on ghetto gaggers are amazing - not all of them but most are very sympathetic characters. Like Vixen comes over very well--Sweet chik.
And if your objection is the negative portrayal of black people then isnt hooking whoring prostitution and pimping a negative thing period so do you disapprove of all black involvement in pornography ? In fact berating the girls for whoring is a mainstay of what Jimmy at ghettogaggers does so your probably more in agreement than you think.
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Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 10:52AM
^ Thank You. Silicone Is Evil, Razors Aren't Much Better
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Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 11:11AM
That doesn't apply to me or most of the other white people whom I know.
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Ben Mockridge Deactivated User
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Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 11:23AM
^ I dont doubt it. However for me personally compared to how seriously tasty and Jedi obviously take the problems of the black race i am relative to them relatively indifferent. Not totally indiferent of course.
hahaha the fake display of a lack of understanding...nobody can really be like this. You reply so quickly, it begs the question, if you read or understand anything I type. Lets try again ... 
Thanks for playing. Score: 5.5/10. Final verdict: Must study harder
-Sweet chik.