Yeh . I know you havnt said its bad , i just felt that things were pointing that way and that the suggestion that it was bad needed answering thats all.
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 4:57PM
Just my opinion, but I don't think those scenes were about demeaning pornstars themselves, regardless of the site's name.
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 5:10PM
Its amazing how people have re painted the term "PC", as some sort of uptight mindset. Being PC just means being a considerate human fucking being. Not calling black people "niggers" or gay people "faggots" does not make you "PC". Being mindful of the negative aspects of our society and choosing not to promote them is not a bad thing. What the fuck is wrong with so many of you poeple? Making a scene where four black men play escaped convicts who then ass bang a white girl, is playing into negative stereotypes. I understand why most of you don't give a shit about that, i mean, its not like the police are killing unarmed white males at a record pace. Oh excuse me, i was being "PC" by pointing that out.
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 5:10PM
Fair enough. Silicone Is Evil, Razors Aren't Much Better
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 5:46PM
Same thing I've been trying to convey all this time, and you did it so succinctly. I have been arguing it is playing into negative stereotypes about black people, only to be told by what I must suspect are white people, that it's not a problem at all, and my concerns should be dismissed . I talk about how violent rap music which promotes drug dealing is poison to black society and black neighborhoods, only to be told by what I suspect are white people that "its okay because black entertainers enjoy themselves making such music" ... How often does that seem to happen? There seems in this thread, to be a COMPLETE and absolute DISMISSAL by non-black people about the ills going on in black society, issues are just disregarded out of hand for some reason... Not to change the subject but young black males get shot for no apparent reason and the first thing establishment society does is blame the victims. It's sickening to watch. Back to the issue of raceplay in IR scenes, all people like me are asking for, is the negative portrayals and negative stereotype reinforcements of black people to be taken more seriously. But I guess its too much to ask.
Are you really making a no true Scotsman argument about racists being aroused by black women? Does having a black daughter make Strom Thurmond less of a racist? Without a doubt, there are racists who secretly watch white on black porn and would love to see more of the kinds of scenes TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles mentioned. Both wm/bf and bm/wf hard raceplay borrow heavily from the racial holy war worldview that is so prevalent in modern white supremacist circles. It's passionate, classy black-white scenes which are bonerkillers for them. I do think it's important to remember not everyone into hard race play is a racist. I know there are both black and white subs who incorporate it into their bdsm activities.
It would be nice if you didn't make assumptions about the people that disagree with you. That being said, I don't believe that we should censor entertainment because some people might take it the wrong way. That goes for music, movies, and porn. We should be able to take things in context, understand that this isn't real, and allow it to be the fantasy that it is. I'd be more upset about it if that negative portrayal were the only portrayal of African-American men in porn, but it isn't, and contrary to what some people might tell you, it hasn't been since long before Blacked and its clones came around.
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 7:08PM
Porn deals in the depiction of fantasies, so the question is: do fantasies need to be politically correct? It seems that most porn consumers would answer no, since there is nothing PC about the "negative stereotypes" of women that so very much of mainstream porn plays into in order to meet viewer demand. Perhaps an underlying question is whether or not adults are intellectually capable of distinguishing between fantasy and reality when they watch porn. To what extent should porn change to meet the special needs of viewers who believe that porn is a reflection of real life? Ashley Fires once did a scene for Brazzers in which she had sex with her boss to make amends for having shown up late to work. Will someone's boss watch this and conclude that it is reasonable to expect sex from employees who show up to work late? Should Brazzers have not shot the scene because of the special needs of that one, challenged individual? Then again perhaps there are many bosses, not to mention employees, at businesses all over the world who internalized the bad message that they received from that scene. If you honestly believe that cops are gunning down blacks in the streets because of raceplay in pornography, then I don't what I can do for you. Edited by - misspornUSA on 3/14/2016 7:13:28 PM Edited by - misspornUSA on 3/14/2016 7:14:25 PM
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 7:34PM
This is a truism created by some feminists in the 70s to rebut the sexism and ignorance around rape during the period but I think most would recognize it as a simplification of the motivation for rape. Rape most certainly is about power but to say it has absolutely nothing to do with sex is stretching the point. Regardless, if one wants further proof of racists being attracted to black women, in the American South of you read the narratives of say James Brown, who spent his youth in a whorehouse, the customers of the black prostitutes were more often than not the same white racists who looked down on blacks and enforced segregation. During the slave days not all the black women slaves were outright raped, some were coerced into becoming mistresses or 'fancy ladies' as the term was known for these slave 'lovers' who often would have their master's children. This is shown in 12 Years a Slave (and many other slave narratives) and of course we have the well known example of Jefferson and Sally Hemmings. In modern times we have Strom Thurmond and his daughter by his black housekeeper for further proof. Jennifer Nash's The Black Body in Ecstasy deals with the surreptitious attraction to black women often tied up with racism, most cearly crystalized in Anthony Spinelli's famous scene between John Leslie and Desiree West in his amazing Sex World. Edited by - BlackSix on 3/14/2016 7:40:20 PM
Read the paragraph above where he said that again. White people(or mostly white people) don't see anything wrong with racial sterotyping in porn the same way a lot of them see nothing wrong with the police shooting unarmed blacks. And the same way a lot of white conservatives see nothing wrong with trump inciting violence and being everything opposite of politically correct. One is not the result of the other. They are all problems steming from America's deep rooted racism that (some) white people refuse to acknowledge.
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 8:31PM
So what context should people take from a scene where two white men dressed in KKK hoods, DP a black woman while uttering racist slurrs throughout the scene? What context should black people take when seeing yet another major hollywood movie about Egypt (Kemet), starring white people using british accents? What context should people take when hearing the millionth modern rap song thats basically telling an entire race of people to kill themselves? Especially when the music industry is controlled by four companies that are mysteriously not black owned. The disappearance of conscious rap music from the mainstream makes total sense now. Btw, given your "context" remark, I really hope you weren't one of the idiots that lost their shit when beyonce made a song that dared to tell the police to "stop shooting us". Isn't it funny how everything is cool until something in entertainment goes against the status quo? Watching a scene where a white girl gets gangbanged by a bunch of black guys in a prison cell is not about "entertainment", its about indoctrination. We get it from all angles in our society, even porn. That image of black males in porn has been the norm and still is the norm. Blacked is basically the first real serious attempt at making honest interracial porn. Ever notice how black women are all but absent from porn today? Hint: it is not at all because they are unattractive.
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 8:32PM
No one in this thread has called for censorship. Criticizing something is not calling for censorship, nothing should be free from criticism.
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 8:43PM
False equivalency. You won't see a woman banging her boss for being late when watching a sitcom. Black men are imprisoned far more frequently for doing less, compared to white males. Black men are far more likely to be murdered by the police than white males. Do you see what i'm getting at? These images in our entertainment, train us to view a race of people as not worth caring about. When a black boy is shot dead by the police for carrying a bb gun in an open carry state, you have to begin to understand how american society conditions you to, not only not give a shit, but to vilify the victim. Dylan Roof walked into a church and killed 9 black people. The police took him out for burgers before taking him to jail. The surrounding white community has since, raised over 4 fucking million dollars for his defense fund. Its pretty oblivious to hold a view that "entertainment is just entertainment". If entertainment was just entertainment, then how come most people still walk around thinking that ancient egyptians, were white/"middle eastern"? Why do americans instantly associate terrorism with arabs, while completely overlooking the loooooong bloody history of domestic terrorism committed by whites in this country? Why do average americans think black and hispanic women are insatiable sex freaks? Why do people assume that if they see a rich black male, that he must be a rapper or a ball player? If you honestly don't understand the role entertainment plays in painting our views of people, then I don't know what i can do for you.
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 8:55PM
I am very aware of police terror and would never deny the very real presence of racism in American society. I think that you and Jedi Master Bates are assuming that most or many fans of raceplay are indifferent to the racism that occurs in real life. Perhaps you think that our sexual fantasies somehow require us to ignore the victims of killer cops and racist vigilantes, but on what grounds do you make such an assumption? Earlier Pornstars Punishment was discussed. I enjoyed that site's content, but I don't want to be raped and when friends of mine have spoken to me about having been raped I didn't masturbate to the details. Why do you think that is? Edited by - misspornUSA on 3/14/2016 9:08:09 PM
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 8:57PM
^^I'm not talking about entertainment in general, I'm talking about raceplay in porn. Porn deals in the depiction of fantasies, so the question is: do fantasies need to be politically correct? Perhaps an underlying question is whether or not adults are intellectually capable of distinguishing between fantasy and reality when they watch porn. To what extent should porn change to meet the special needs of viewers who believe that porn is a reflection of real life?
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 9:00PM
Do you hear the word "nigger" used during interracial sex in a lot of sitcoms? BTW, I should apologize for forgetting that sexism no longer exists in our society and that the depiction of women in porn is therefore a non-issue. Silly me.
Edited by - misspornUSA on 3/14/2016 9:05:28 PM
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 9:15PM
Whether you realize it or not, a large percentage of the population gets their paradigm of reality from entertainment. This is the exact stock and trade of Hollywood. Which has been successful in creating false realities which the mass population believe wholesale. In fact more people get an idea of their reality from media and entertainment than politicians or taking time to read and study. In fact Entertainment is often perception management. Even if only subconsciously. And I want to stress this word SUBCONSCIOUSLY So its highly amusing to me, that all of a sudden we want to ignore the obvious fact that porn can be used to REINFORCE negative racial stereotypes about black people, this is the main issue some people on this forum FAIL to understand or accept. There seems to be something in that statement that is a challenge to white racial expectations and the entitlement to racial comfort. Notice the word "reinforce" contains the prefix "re" before the word "inforce" (enforce). So its not the first time this affirmation is being made. REINFORCING negative stereotypes means these negative stereotypes already exist in the minds of some people in white america. Porn (like all media) can help reinforce racial prejudices subconsciously. When you see 4 black so-called "thugs" who are escaped convicts manhandling a white dainty young girl and then banging her in the ass while "N words" are flying around the place, even if on a conscious level you KNOW its not reality, on a subconscious level, are you truly aware of what its doing to you? This is the problem. its okay to depict black males in this manner because its just entertainment. You do it with any other peoples, and the studio comes under fire. Such duplicity
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 9:20PM
^Ashley Fires once did a scene for Brazzers in which she had sex with her boss to make amends for having shown up late to work. Will someone's boss watch this and conclude that it is reasonable to expect sex from employees who show up to work late? Maybe that person already had those expectations, and the scene reinforced them. Should Brazzers have not shot the scene because of the special needs of that one, challenged individual? Then again perhaps there are many bosses, not to mention employees, at businesses all over the world who internalized the bad message that they received from that scene. Perhaps others had already internalized such a message and had that message reinforced when they watched that scene. How horrible! EDIT: If raceplay is spreading and/or reinforcing racist attitudes, then the majority of mainstream porn is also spreading and/or reinforcing sexist attitudes. Period. Full stop. Give up your double standard. Edited by - misspornUSA on 3/14/2016 9:25:04 PM
Jedi went in a totally different direction than I did but to his point yes, some adults do have trouble distinguishing between fantasy(and entertainment in general) and reality.
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 9:29PM
^So, how much do you expect porn to change because of that? Should we get rid of most roleplaying scenarios? Should pornstars state before every scene that this is just their job, that they're more than a big ass or a pretty face, talk about their boyfriends, etc.?
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 9:30PM
So, if someone's fantasy was to fuck a black woman in the ass while wearing a kkk hood, and calling her "darkie", you wouldn't consider that person racist? If a white woman has a fantasy to be ass fucked by 5 black men, fine, but why do they have to be in a prison cell? If people were intellectually capable of distinguishing between fantasy and reality in general, then we wouldn't have people tensing up when they see a black man walking down the same side walk as them. People are affected by what they see/hear. Porn is only apart of a larger system of indoctrination in this country. Recognizing that does not = "PC" or censorship. It just makes you not dumb. As for how porn should change? I think its not a good idea to insult the very people you're trying to sell to. Imagine being a black man and watching some of this shit. Don't you find it odd where most IR have to have the males talking in a forced "urban slang" style? Some of my favorite IR scenes don't have any of that. Sheena shaw and lex steel. Sheena shaw and mandingo. Halona vog (OMG) and 3 white dudes. At no point is her race even mentioned. The guys were just enjoying her very perfect asshole. Why would making it about her race be someone's fantasy? I wonder where that outlook even comes from. I've had sex with latinas in the past. I've never been like "aw yeah bitch, after you're done you can go cook me some beans and rice. fuck yeah." That kind of shit is corny in porn. I'm not talking about a girl/guy commenting on their partner's looks in a complementary way. Kelly wells once referred to her black co star as "some kind of black god". Mind you he had his dick in her ass, but I didn't see that as racist or even a problem. She's basically geeking our over her partner. Now if she started screaming, "give me that nigger dick" or "pound my little white ass with your big black dick", then that just makes me roll my eyes. Interracial sex can carry fantasies or even stereotypes, but how come its always negative? Why does the black man always have to be a "thug" or a "convict"? It just plays into the big scary black man that makes america all to comfortable with the mass incarceration/ murder of black males. I'm obviously a male, but seeing porn where its more about degrading the woman, is a turn off. I fucking hate pissing scenes. Pissing is not even something i can associate with top/bottom fantasies. On facialabuse, it seems to be about making the woman break down and cry. That shit makes me flaccid because instead of being horny, my empathy is kicking into high gear. If i can empathize with that sort of thing in regards to females, I don't know what its so difficult to understand where others are coming from in regards to perpetuating negative narratives involving black males.
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 9:34PM
Where is your outrage on females inflicting pain on their male performers? sometimes involves trampling on their male genitalia and using abusive and crude language to describe these men? I notice you never talk about the FEMDOM category and some of the sick and twisted stuff that goes with the most hardcore clips in that category. But why would you even be truly concerned about it, this is all "fake outrage" as usual. When I pressed you on the issue, you famously admitted you had no problem with the way females are portrayed in porn, then as soon as I raise an issue about race (an issue you obviously cannot refute nor contend with because it fucks with your white fragility), you go back and bring up the same sexism argument - which you already stated you have no problem with. What a confused person you are
That's actually mostly only true for white males. They do this with white women every time slut or bitch is used. Porn also frequently depicts Latinos as non English speaking maids or hard labor workers. Edited by - Chessmaster on 3/14/2016 9:36:56 PM
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 9:35PM
thats a strawman. You don't see them calling black men "niggers" on sitcoms, but you will see black men portrayed as thugs, convicts, bad people, etc all throughout entertainment. I dunno where you're getting any of the sexism stuff from. The fact that black people and women in general still do not enjoy the benefits of a free society to this day, is proof that its by design. When i was growing up, saying "fag" was like whatever. By the time I got to college, it was a word that was not acceptable in mainstream society. The turn around on that just shows that positive social changes can happen in the span of one generation if people really want it. So how the fuck is it blacks and females are still so fucked? Finn and Rey are such a big deal because they go against what you'd expect to see on the big screen. I know we're talking about porn, but all of this shit is connected.
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 9:36PM
^^^The question is what you have a problem with, and why race matters to you but gender doesn't. If you believe that femdom balances out the general depiction of women in porn, then why do you not believe that IR cuckolding (described to you by Melvyn) does the same for raceplay?
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 9:37PM
Checkmate Once you are intellectually deconstructed, you often resort to silly things like this. I have a right to post whatever and whenever I want. At one point in time I felt I needed to end my involvement in the thread, at this point in time, I've changed my mind. So just try to deal with the arguments instead of running away next time.
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 9:41PM
^^^If you don't know where I'm getting "any of the sexism stuff from" then maybe you think that: 1. Sexism is no longer a widespread issue in American society. 2. Only porn scenes in which men pee on women and sites like Facial Abuse feature stereotypical depictions of women. 3. Both 1 and 2 are false. Edited by - misspornUSA on 3/14/2016 9:42:48 PM
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 9:42PM
At this point, I think its clear black people and women (regardless of color) are still the subjugated members of society. Which is of course by design. We can trace this all the way from Jim Crow laws, right down to Black Wallstreet and then the so-called "integration" movement. All of american history shows that race-relations is still a massive problem in America. This is why I am against raceplay IR. It's also why I'm against degrading females in porn, anything abusive towards females turns me off instantly. But one group of society is getting openly gunned down in the streets primarily due to the colour of their skin. this makes everything to do with race a more pressing issue for me. It's really quite simple. Edited by - TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles on 3/14/2016 9:43:36 PM Edited by - TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles on 3/14/2016 9:46:19 PM
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 9:42PM
^^^I didn't question your rights, but I am laughing at your lack of discipline and will continue to do so. Edited by - misspornUSA on 3/14/2016 9:43:27 PM
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 9:44PM
Laugh away, its of no concern to me. Here I am still posting after I said I wasn't going to, the sky didn't fall on me. The world hasn't ended yet. Seems everything is just fine and dandy. Please, laugh away. I'll laugh too, at who's expense remains a mystery... Edited by - TastyFilthyGirlStinkHoles on 3/14/2016 9:45:25 PM
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 9:48PM
^^^We're talking stereotypes here, not merely "abusive" content. The police murders of black youths are abhorrent, but you've neither demonstrated a correlational relationship or a causal relationship between those murders and the consumption of raceplay porn.
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 9:53PM
I thought I just made it clear that gender does matter to me as well.
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 9:58PM
That's because you are out to sea trying to catch a gazelle. It doesn't work like that. And when someone tells you "Gazelle's do not live in the sea" you respond "I am trying to bait a Gazelle". It's entirely hopeless it seems to get this into your skull. Raceplay porn of course does not directly lead to black people being gunned down on the street. 5 year old children have already understood that. You conflate, discombobulate and scatter a load of rubbish around trying to muddy the waters. When caught, you quickly change topics. Getting very predictable indeed. but I understand white fragility very well. It is hard to deal with your entitlement to racial comfort being challenged LMAO. Not to mention the challenge to white racial codes my statements seem to invoke in you NUMEROUS MEMBERS have already told you Porn is just a small cog in a HUGE machine called "Media and Entertainment" that perpetuates white supremacy in all its forms. No different from Hollyweird showcasing White British people as Ancient BLACK Egyptian Pharaohs. Or the obvious crack cocaine epidemic fostered on black people in the 80s with Iran-Contra. Or the segregation laws in the 60s. Or the destruction of Black wall street. Or the portrayal of black american's as naturally or inherently lazy in the news media and hollywood films. Or the constant depiction of slavery movies, where the only time black history is brought up its something to do with slavery in America. Black history is the history of the HUMAN RACE but for some reason, its narrowed down to 400 years in the continent of America. This is an on going fight which has many facets. Of course someone laden with white fragility is unable to see that depicting 4 black males as escaped convicts "assaulting" a white female, or depicting them always as gangbangers and thugs can reinforce prejudicial views already held by an already race-divided America. Prejudicial views they obtain from many sources NOT JUST PORN. So porn does not directly lead to dead black males on the streets. But its a facet, a cog in a massive machine that perpetuates negative stereotypes about black people. You cannot deny this.
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 9:59PM
I wouldn't assume that person is a racist, no. Do you realize how many women have fantasized about being "raped"? What conclusions, if any, do you draw from that? I am well aware that I am affected by watching raceplay scenes, as is the case with all porn that I enjoy. But if you think they somehow produce within me an indifference to white chauvinism and the brutal oppression of Black people that has occurred throughout American history, then you're mistaken. If raceplay is indoctrinating Americans, then the majority of mainstream porn is as well. How much do you expect porn to change because of that? Should we get rid of most roleplaying scenarios? Should pornstars state before every scene that this is just their job, that they're more than a big ass or a pretty face, talk about their boyfriends, etc.? I think it's great that you liked the scenes you described, but why should your preferences determine what anyone else watches?
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 10:05PM
Did I not just say, that i fucking hate pissing scenes? I get annoyed just seeing forum posts talking about wishing pissing scenes would return to legal porno. There's nothing like watching a scene with nikita denise (gawd yes), only to have the action pause so these mother fuckers can piss on her. I mean what kind of shit is that? I'm not the type to view the general depiction of females in porn as degrading. Choking (it depends on how its done), spitting, rough play, etc. can all be done to where its within the boundaries of top bottom fantasies and I love when the woman does it as well. During a portion of the scene where its time for some face down ass up action, when the guy puts his fucking foot on the top of her head, i'm done. Kink.com is one of my favorite sites because there's usually a female dom, who is interacting with a female sub. Sometimes there are other players in the scene that she uses as tools to dominate the female sub. That shit is fucking hot to me. The human players are usually silent and just obey the commands of the female dom. All of that fits into a fantasy play thats not unhealthy imo. If she were like , "piss down her throat", or "choke her until she passes out", then i'd have a problem. Same way a scene were 5 black convicts capture and buttfuck a white girl, is a kind of fantasy that causes me to question a person's outlook. Even the scenario you mentioned with ashley fires is something I wouldn't have a problem with as it fits into regular top bottom fantasies. I've seen a scene where velicity von and another female are bosses that calls two guys into their office and give them a horrible job review. They eventually threaten to fire them, but offer them one last chance to save their jobs. Hint: that chance involves putting dicks in asses. That type of shit is not really a problem to me. It doesn't reinforce negative stereotypes that have already done a real number on a particular group.
To your first point, you should take the context that none of it is real, and that everyone involved in the scene was paid to do and say what they did, and it doesn't necessarily reflect their views, or the views of the person that made the scene. To your third to last point: Lexington Steele has pretty much been the most popular black male in porn for about the past 15-20 years (at worst, he's lost the crown in the past 3-5 years), and he hasn't traded on being a "thug" or a "gangster" since the turn of the century. That's an example of what I mean by stating the fact that IR without that imagery has been around and successful since well before Blacked came onto the market. And even outside of him there's always been interracial scenes that don't trade on stereotypes. And to this quote:Blacked is about as honest of interracial porn as Blacks on Blondes is. Both are trying to sell you a fantasy, it's just that one of them is your personal fantasy, and the other one isn't. Most black men aren't thugs, but the truth is most of them aren't wildly successful either. Neither site is particularly honest. The vast, vast majority of porn sites aren't "honest" period. I mean, do 90% of the women you have sex with talk about your "big black cock"? Because the vast majority of blacked scenes go on and on about it. Edited by - whatsatelephonebill on 3/14/2016 10:20:59 PM
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 10:22PM
^^^^^In between your multiple personal insults, you failed to offer any evidence of your claims that producers of raceplay are white supremacists trying to keep the black man down or that Alex Proyas or the producers of "Gods of Egypt" (to which I assume you were referring) are also white supremacists trying to keep the black man down. I do not not believe that there is shared conspiracy between producers of porn and Hollywood and music executives to oppress Black people. A past user argued that IR raceplay porn was an anti-white conspiracy of Ashkenazi Jews. You two are cut from the same cloth. Edited by - misspornUSA on 3/14/2016 10:23:18 PM
You're mixing up the concerns here. NO ONE HERE IS ADVOCATING CALLING SOMEONE HURTFUL TERMS. It doesn't matter if the terms are mild, like "dumbass" or more extreme, like sexist or racist pejoratives - attacking someone with insulting language is obviously immoral. But this is about rights. Rights should not be trampled over in light of feelings. Do you guys not grasp the fact that anyone can find something offensive? Do you not grasp that every last person out there probably finds at least some speech to be offensive. But that doesn't mean it should be censored. There's plenty of language and themes I find offensive in media. That doesn't mean I would ever move to censor it. The first amendment isn't there to protect just the speech that you find palatable. It's there precisely to protect what you dislike. That's how it works. It protects speech I don't like. It protects speech you don't like. In the domain of fantasy, we're dealing with fiction, obviously. Why the hell would you ever support censorship in general media, much less porn?
And I wanted to touch on this. There's a difference between saying "I don't like this" and saying "I don't think this should exist, and you're a bad person if you do". Like, apparently I haven't made this clear enough, but I don't even like hard raceplay. This isn't about me thinking it should be around because I like it. This is about me arguing that what you fantasize about, or the art you create, shouldn't and doesn't have to define who you are as a person. Fantasies are weird, and can often be about things you don't actually want to do/say/be in real life (a simple example being that many women actually have rape fantasies, while the vast majority of women do not actually want to be raped or condone rape).
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It just looks and feels so fucking good! 142 Posts 3/16
Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 10:39PM
hahahaha I'm telling you Gazelles do not swim, You're still telling me you want to "bait a Gazelle" - comprehension is not so good to say the least. Do you realize that 90+% of teachers in America are white? In fact majority of teachers in run down black neighborhoods are white? Do you even understand there exists in America a School-to-Prison system? Do you think that most of these white teachers are white supremacists intentionally shuffling kids from school to prison? or do you think there is something deeper at hand? Just to make it clear, this is an analogy. I don't need to offer any evidence that the PRODUCERS of raceplay porn are white supremacists because you don't need to be a white supremacist to further its agenda. I can decide to make raceplay porn purely for financial reasons, and I'd still be pushing a negative stereotype of black males which would suit white supremacy just fine. Much like you didn't have to be a Nazi sympathizer back in 1930s Germany, to unwittingly further the goals of the Nazi and right wing Nationalist Catholic party. It may come as a surprise to you that things are often nuanced in this reality. I do not need evidence that Alex Proyas is a white supremacist. All I know is the film is an outright false depiction of Ancient KEMET which strangely enough is in keeping with and in line with white supremacy and its views on black African civilization. Of course, Proyas may or may not be a white supremacist to unwittingly further its goals. Naturally, white fragility means you'll never understand anything I'm typing because black issues will be dismissed out of hand. Your beliefs are none of MY business. I can have my own beliefs too, I don't need to check with you. Of course your entitlement to white racial comfort is challenged and this makes you uneasy so you must supplant your own reality over mine hahaha... The fact is, all the things I mentioned, just so happen to coincide with white supremacy. You know it, I know it. We all know it.Red Herring and straw man argument. Also a veiled accusation that I am antisemitic (saying I'm cut from the same cloth as someone who obviously has issues with Jews) It's all well and good. I know why you deflect. Trust me I do. But people can see it for what it is.
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 10:43PM
^A deflection? How is saying that I don't agree with you a deflection? I wasn't implying that you were anti-Semitic. I think most readers know what I meant, and that you missed it only confirms the accuracy of what I implied. Neither was I arguing anything with that sentence. I was making a statement.
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 10:44PM
That would be fine in a perfect world and people didn't let fiction influence how they view the real world. The fact that its not real, doesn't change how it affects people. Exodus:gods and kings was completely fucking fake, yet people honestly think thats what egyptians looked like.
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 10:47PM
I don't think people are saying its some kind of conspiracy. Its a part of our society where negative stereotypes of black men in particular are pushed in all parts of the entertainment world. Some porn makers do it on purpose, but most people don't even recognize what they are doing. This is what people are talking about when they mention things like institutional racism. EDIT: As for hollywood films, you're incredibly naive if you think there isn't a very deliberate agenda in regards to the way non white races are portrayed. I can't even begin to touch on that. Edited by - Jedi Master Bates on 3/14/2016 10:49:26 PM
People have fantasies about torture and engage in BDSM. That doesn't mean they are misogynists or misandrists or sexists or abusive. You guys keep overlooking this. I personally don't enjoy that Ghettogaggers site. I didn't enjoy the confederate flag themed porn with white guys fucking black chicks at Dogfart. I am not interested in seeing a gang of men in KKK sheets gangbanging a black chick. I'm not interested in seeing Nazis fuck jewesses. But I know there are people out there who do like that, INCLUDING BLACK and JEWISH VIEWERS. Just like women enjoy very abusive looking porn where women are manhandled and thrown around. This does not mean any of the players involved in that are abusive or sexist. If it makes you too uncomfortable, go kick rocks. Or just do what I do and every other rational and capable adult does - don't watch. If any black performer doesn't want to be involved in that, then that is their right, just as much as it is the right of those who do want to be involved in that to be able to do it. Some of you guys really don't grasp how rights are supposed to be a two way street. It's not one way. It goes both ways. And the rights of others should not end where your feelings begin. Do you guys honestly think there aren't millions of white guys out there who are incensed by and hostile toward stuff like cuckold porn where they portray white guys are effeminate and impotent? If they had the authority and power, they wouldn't hesitate to prohibit/censor that type of thing. But fortunately they do not. So they have to accept that it exists whether they like it or not. Free speech isn't there just to protect the speech you like. It protects the speech you hate. Some of you really need to brush up on Voltaire or at least Larry Flynt. Edited by - Melvyn on 3/14/2016 10:59:01 PM
Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 4:28PM
. I talk about how violent rap music which promotes drug dealing is poison to black society and black neighborhoods, only to be told by what I suspect are white people that "its okay because black entertainers enjoy themselves making such music" ... How often does that seem to happen?
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