I think most people dislike this kind of "scripted" feel in their porn (Unless they have a robot fetish or something), regardless of what the director's priorities are. In their defense, because of all of the constraints that exist when making a porn movie (The meter is running every minute you spend working on it,etc), it's very difficult to do it without having some kind of plan. And once you have a plan, it's extremely difficult to execute it in a way that feels organic and doesn't seem like the performers are following a blueprint. Mainstream Hollywood has had a lot more practice and usually a big budget to get everything just right. I think most porn could be better even with the obvious constraints but they do have a lot of obstacles to overcome. Making porn isn't exactly like making anything else.I think a lot of us do. Thing is that it's usually a kind of miracle when everything works, nothing seems staged or forced (or it just isn't offensive if it does). Nobody really knows when a scene is going to be just right and it isn't something you can replicate every time. All of the same basic elements can be present and it doesn't work like it did that one time. A porn flick is almost always going to feel like a manufactured product. Unfortunately. Edited by - randomprecision on 10/17/2009 8:00:37 PM Edited by - randomprecision on 10/17/2009 8:01:22 PM
^ I totally hear you. Sometimes it just works, when no one was expecting it to; sometimes it doesn't work, when you really don't understand how it couldn't work. You never can tell, I suppose, but you can at least try to create an organic environment along with planning and careful casting (I honestly think the delicacy of Mason's casting choices are what make her films feel spontaneous and natural, at least most of the time). With all that said, I would rather a staged kiss than an unexpected slap to the face/gob of spit that is not welcomed nor enjoyed; likewise, when facials are so mechanical in every scene, I can't really complain when filmmakers try to switch things up and they don't quite work.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Oct 18 2009 : 12:39AM
I'd have to disagree, the facial returned with a vengeance in the 90s, I remember reading one porn 'scholar' claim that Ashlyn Gere was pretty much responsible for bringing it back. Extended tease, although obviously first explored by Stagliano around the same time, didn't really kick into the standard repertoire of gonzo until JJ in the late 90s/early 00s.
I really hate the "So, When was the first time you had sex question". First it's just creepy. Second, why do people care. The replies from the ladies are always the same. "Around 13,14,15,16.....". Which would be the standard answer for just about everyone!
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wmonbear Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 18 2009 : 1:17PM
My pet peeve is when I see what seems like endless streams of baby oil poured all over a girl's ass. I consider myself an ass man, and find the shiny glare to be extremely annoying. Also, with all that oil you no longer can see the texture of the skin. I like seeing the fine, fuzzy baby hair and/or those tiny little hair bumps. What's the point of all that oil in a sex scene anyway? Guess it's just some sort of gimmick.
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realtip Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 18 2009 : 9:40PM
^+1 ITA. The new oil craze in porn is completely annoying. I guess it's OK if you like like seeing girls who look like sloppy greased-up pigs. But I'd rather not see it myself. It's yet another gimmick that I hope soon fades away, along with "squirting," the gloryhole, and POV.
Aside from the fact that few schools actually require uniforms.... Schoolgirl scenes where clothing completely obscures the girls body for the whole (or even some) of the scene. I mean really I'd think you'd have to have an awful stringent fetish to HAVE to constantly see her in the uniform... Versus knowing where she just came from based on the outfit she was just wearing.
Umm that's basically the definition of fetish, that you need to have the fetish object present. Otherwise, it's just your standard basic same same fuck scene where the clothes disappear within the first 30seconds of the scene. The appeal of the schoolgirl fetish (to me) is all about the uniform and has nothing to do with the notion that she just came from school or her being a pretend student. If that were the case, they could just have her carrying books or a backpack or something, and wearing jeans and sweatshirt. If you wanna see her naked, just choose a non-fetish vid of the same girl.
The sooner people realize porno is bacchanalia/orgiastic representation, the better.
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Posted - Oct 20 2009 : 10:09AM
The whole loving the smell/taste of ass thing. Has anyone ever seen an ass scented can of Glade or Renuzit? Those stupid little air fresheners you hang on the rear view mirror of your car, I've seen them in the shape of pine and cedar trees, strawberries, and cherries. I've never seen one in the shape of a pair of butt cheeks. Ass looks great, it fucks great, but it literally tastes and smells like shit. Stop trying to get me to believe it tastes like caviar.
To be honest I haven't read all 15 pages, but the one thing that bothers me the most in porn (non sexual) is the sound of cheap ass plastic video cameras when filming a scene. Camcorder porn is worthless if the camera is constantly creaking/cracking/flexing from it's cheap plastic case. God, that is irritating!!!! Do u know what I mean? O.K, If I was to pick one it would be why guys stepping on a girl's head while having sex from behind. Edited by - 8erout on 10/23/2009 4:57:22 AM
The "foot to the head" move looks as silly as it sounds (At least from the perspective of someone who thinks it sounds silly). I can't complain too much about the "fish hooking" because I have a mouth fetish. Any kind of exposure of the mouth in porn is better than none when you have a mouth/dental/oral fetish.
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realtip Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 24 2009 : 1:06AM
What's so silly about the 'foot on the head' move? I find it to be a huge turn-on whenever I see it.
Well, since you were trying to picture it... See the middle pic at the top of this DVD back cover [edit: um, I wrote cover, but I guess it's actually the back cover] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 10/24/2009 7:14:27 PM
Thanks KB (I think) - yes, it is as stupid as I thought, in spite of being less physically awkward than it was in my head. That dvd, on the other hand, gross.
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realtip Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 24 2009 : 9:46PM
^The scene starring Dana Vespoli and Ben English is super sweet.
Recently viewed a Score Group video of Over 40-50 year old babes and it was anal intercourse throughout. Not a big deal except that I saw a couple ladies do anal that I believed hadn't done any previously. I wondered why? Was it because it was Florida porn instead of Cali? Was it because they were offered more money? Was it because the dicks involed were average to smallish in size? None black? Anyways it was Desi Foxx and Mishka. Hope they do more. Anal, that is.
It just bugs me. It's the aesthetics of it. If it turns you on, more power to you. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with liking it. Just that I don't get it.
Yeah - you can't see the girls body. It contorts it so that you see her arms and her top back... instead of the lovely chest she might have. Plus it's just stupid. Even if the guy isn't putting much pressure on it, it still probably is not good for your brain. (E.g, all these stories about NFL players getting dementia really early in life) Edited by - JBauer24 on 10/25/2009 9:48:30 AM
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Bluto Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 25 2009 : 8:59AM
The people who make porn don't like porn, don't use porn, never have and never will. "I dunno...maybe have the guy stomp her head..yeah...they like that weird shit....yuk..yuk..yuk..." Explains it all.
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wmonbear Deactivated User
380 Posts 6/09
Posted - Oct 25 2009 : 10:52AM
What turns me on most in porn is watching the GIRL get turned on. A guy ejaculating is basically as easy as turning on a switch. On the other hand, a chick getting off in a porno is much more challenging. So when i see the foot-on-head move, i know that if she WAS getting turned on prior to it, after this stupid-ass move, she's definitely back at square 1. Also, has anyone mentioned all the disgusting spitting going on in porn. I've even seen globs of saliva transferred between performers... made me want to vomit!
A lot of things actually: - boots of any kind. Idk, bare feet on girls turn me on like hell, boots on the other hand are a major arousal killer. Unfortunately, they are like in every porn :/ - Spitting. Imho it should belong in the same category as scat or vomit. I mean, if I get softcore or even hardcore porn, I don't expect to see crapping or barfing there. And I don't expect to see people spitting on their faces either. At least give us a warning that it's there. - Spit used as lubricant. Yuck. - Uniforms and cosplay. Idk, only nudity makes me aroused. - Pubic hair. I don't mind guys because I'm not gay and I don't give a damn about their looks, but girls... idk, I can't stand it, in real life, in porn - anywhere. No pubic hair please. - Domination. I really like when performers are having fun when doing their roles, laughing. Looks more natural and turning on than when the guy abuses the girl and makes her gag or something. - Milk enemas. Lol, I actually love enemas in porn, but only water. Well, piss enemas are pretty turning on too, although I've seen it like once or twice. But milk enemas don't look well, idk, just looks disgusting. - Traditionally, shit, vomit and other weird things like farting. There is pretty much nothing arousing in it. - Repeatedly saying "fuck me fuck me". Boring. Learn a new line please. - Girls moaning non-stop for the whole duration of the scene. Please SHUT UP for a second.. - Guys asking stupid questions. "You like that? You like that?" Geez, shut up dude. - Giant dicks that look as if they are made of rubber. I bet that some guys can fuck themselves in their own ass. Always though cock is meant to be hard. It looks unnatural. - Boy hips, small tits. Seriously, I don't mind whether the tits are big or small, but a lot of porn performers have like no tits at all and also they are very far from the traditional hourglass body type. Isn't porn all about perfection of bodies? I can get a girl like that in real life without any problems. I want to see those that I can't get. - Stupid looped music. - The fact that porn performers make almost no body contact. Looks highly unintimate thus unnatural. Finally, this may be unpopular, but: - Vaginal sex. Seriously, I can have this at home. Watching it is boring. Give me anal, damnit. Watching vaginal sex is as turning on for me as watching a guy humping a couch.
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realtip Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 25 2009 : 1:29PM
Most of the sexual positions we see in porn are ridiculous. The 'foot on the head' move isn't anymore ridiculous as all the others. Plus, there's just something really filthy about it that makes it more of a turn-on to see. Since it's seldomly used, I only wish it was used more often. It also has no effect on the brain. It's not like she's being tackled to the ground by a bunch of 300-lb. linebackers several times a week (as far as we know).
“Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards.” - Kierkegaard 2684 Posts 8/09
Posted - Oct 27 2009 : 11:34PM
Why there aren't more Scandinavian girls (esp. Swedish & Denmark) and non-MILF movies? Does anyone know why this is?
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8 Posts 10/09
Posted - Oct 31 2009 : 1:15PM
I am amazed that nobody mentioned outdoor porn. Outdoors, it seems the lighting is always problematic 90% of the time. It's often hard to see what's happening or it's easy to get distracted by the light brightening and then suddenly darkening because of clouds above. In addition, it's not hot when the actors have to shew away a fly.
Although its not as bad as it was in the 90s and earlier in this decade than it is now, I've never understood the point of replacing the audio in porn with generic elevator music. Its a total turn-off. I also hate it when the girls are all clean-shaven, I like atleast a little bush.
I know everyone gets off on something, but what I don't understand is in Japanese porn, why do they zoom up on the private parts when they are censored? It just becomes one big blur.
Usually, outdoor scenes completely suck and are almost unwatchable. But some of the best scenes I've ever seen were outdoor scenes (Most done by Rocco, Buttman or both).
Oil Sleep Creep Freaks of Cock Amateur Allure (great girls but the absolute creepiest aesthetic in the whole biz.; the girls are washed out with the lighting, they only focus on the mouth during the cumshot, and what the fuck is with the dude never taking off his jeans and only letting his dick hang out of his fly? Fucking weird, and not in a good way.)
-Milk squirting -Scat -Beastiality -Vomit -Fart sex -Giant fake dicks -Cumming in eyes/nose -Mascara & cum mix. -Clown sex: "Feauturing Fred the wonder chicken" ,LOL:http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a39/usernameext/clown_porn.jpg [Image not found DB] -Extreme cursing/swearing(read:ava devine). -Skinny and ugly dudes.(I'd like to imagine that it was me fucking that broad I'm watching). -Gang bangs are okay, but scenes of 2 guys and 1 gurl, mwha. Also girl girl scenes aren't a big turn on (unless they are family like reallife (twin) sisters or cousins or unlesss it's from Andrew Blake). -Deepthroat/facefucking/gagging is okay but the last 2 not too extreme.I also don't like the annoying sounds that some girls make when getting facefacked/gagged. -Making girl look underage(ponytails, school uniform ect). -Max hardcore: ALL. I prolly forgot a few here...
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in flagrante delicto Deactivated User
7 Posts 11/09
Posted - Nov 2 2009 : 9:18PM
The dialog in practically any porn I've ever seen. I assume it's improvised by the performers. If anyone's actually writing that crap, they ought to be ashamed of themselves. Someone early in this thread equated copyright infringement to plagiarism. A better straw man would be to equate copyright infringement to serial murder, and then discuss how murderers are dealt with. The argument between the free rider and the porn producer is not whether porn is worth something (implicitly, what the producer charges) versus nothing. The issue is that a porn Blueray DVD with the shelf like of egg salad is not worth $50. At least, not unless they either improve the dialog, or dispense with it altogether.
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realtip Deactivated User
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Posted - Nov 3 2009 : 12:02AM
Fortunately for you, SleepCreep is now defunct. Too bad for me though, since I really liked the site.
Why do you hire hotties if you never intend to show them? If you know you're just going to show an ass bouncing up and down the whole time. Bums have asses. Find a lady bum at the local reclycling center, buy her breakfast, and you can get the same final result for your movie since all you want is an ass filling up the screen the whole movie long, it would seem. Or, we can start showing off the performers more, since we're paying them and all. I mean crap, even during the reverse sit pose the stupid camera is usually camped out at ground level looking up the woman's nose, or she's leaning back so her implants are seen from the most unnatural, least appealing angle possible. So even the RC view is wasted, and I've learned to forget about the rest of the scene when no attempt is even made to show the performer! Come on, people! It's not that tough to rise above such half-assed content. You don't have to go to film school---you can simply incorporate the following: She could be shown from the front during the dog pose, as revolutionary as that sounds----instantly improved porn. She could be filmed from the front during the regular sit pose----it's shocking, I know. It might require the slightest bit of tinkering with how the lights are set up, though, so apparently nobody's ever going to bother doing this, even though it would instantly improve their porn by 30%. It's so silly to see a cameraman stay on the ass for 2 minutes, then literally "sneak" away from the ass for 8 seconds to steal a peak at the woman's side view, capturing it very poorly, with 2 seconds' worth of her face shown before the camera suddenly gets quite timid and retreats back to the ass, as if wracked with guilt for leaving the ass for even this long. Stupid. Also, the standing pose could be shown from the extremely hot side view instead of from underneath always as if the camera is desparate for more of that ass shot which people might not have gotten enough of yet from when you showed it for the last 20 minutes straight. There could be a thing called eye contact too, which, oh forget about it, that's too much to ask for. It may sound like I'm lobbying for softcore, but I'm not. I'm saying these types of softer angles are part of the hardcore pornographer's job too. They've been absent from movies during the recent era, and porn has suffered from it, becoming less of a product, half a product on account of the half-assed reliance on only ass. So many movies have been ruined by the irrational need to include penetration in every single angle, no matter how worthless the angle becomes as a result. It's okay to shoot better porn! It really is. The penetration will still be happening a minute from now! You can go back to it! I want to see that too. Trouble is, if that's all we ever see, the very thing you're so excited to show becomes diminished because the greater context of the sex act is missing. throws down mic, storms off stage Edited by - Monkey Power on 11/26/2009 3:50:14 PM
I dont get why in scenes big tittied girls in B/g scenes get shot from the back riding cow girl for half the scene. I dont wanner see her back. Any girl will do if half the scenes shot from cow girl