^^^ willing... and forced. Huge difference. Yeah, the argument could be made that the performer knew what they were getting into, and that could be true... but the fact that it may not be true, and are unwilling participants... well, that alone to me is enough to not get excited about seeing someone forced to do anything. But seeing a girl wanting and willing to do just about anything for sexual gratification, to me that is a nice fantasy.
Simple. Clint Eastwood isn't really Dirty Harry. Get it? It's a movie.
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Posted - Jan 17 2009 : 11:27AM
Wow! That's insightful. Since you use an example that is completely unrelated to what the original point was, why don't you just say, "I don't know!"
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Posted - Jan 17 2009 : 11:33AM
Puh lease! The girl signs a release and cashes the check. The minute she does that, she's a willing participant. It's not like she's dragged off the street and forced to do anything under gunpoint. She knows what she is doing, and the minute the camera is rolling she is a performer and entertainer. She's not having sex for money, she's entertaining and providing the fulfillment of fantasys for the viewing public.
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Posted - Jan 17 2009 : 11:35AM
As much as I disagree with most of what you say, I will say that I agree with you 100% on this one.
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Posted - Jan 17 2009 : 12:18PM
"She's not having sex for money" Oh yes she is It just happens to also be entertainment and fantasy
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Posted - Jan 17 2009 : 2:26PM
See we do have something in common. I think this is a beautiful starting point for us. We both like to have our asses eaten out. I'm getting a warm fuzzy feeling.
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Posted - Jan 17 2009 : 3:27PM
yeah, theres a lot of gimmicks that are stupid. nothing sexy about them. I dont like full length feature porn with stories. I dont need stories. its porn!! i rent it to watch hot girls having sex. i dont like the gimmicks like the one mentioned about the milk enemas. the girls choking until the mascara runs. to be honest, and not to sound corny, but if the girl in the scene doesnt think its sexy and hot, why would it be sexy and hot for me. The BTK killer in kansas killed people because it gave him some sort of thrill or excitement. just have the performers introduce themselves, and let them start fucking, not that milk enema shit, or whatever weird crap I dont need. one thing: and I watch porn, and i got nothing against porn girls: lets stop calling them actresses. they are not actresses. they are sex performers.
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Posted - Jan 17 2009 : 4:26PM
The real question is, "Have you ever whacked off to Janine?" I am not saying that she made the right choice. However, it is one thing to condemn an adult performer's extracurricular behavior, but it is another thing entirely to 1) jack off to her, and then 2) proceed to salivate like a jackal when she is in a tight spot, whatever the provenance of her misfortune. As well, however illicit Janine's actions were, it is not as if she did anything approaching what Tookie Williams or the perpetrators of the Knoxville Massacre did. Now, understand, I most emphatically do not condone illicit activities by adult performers. In fact, one thing that irritates me to no end is how some performers advertise openly and for all the world to see on their Myspaces the fact that they "escort" and use marijuna. This is an incredibly rock-stupid thing to do. There is this NYPD forum now called "THEE RANT," but better known as its previous incarnation the "NYPD RANT." RANT posters used Myspace to out a rookie who was a gangbanger off the job. They also outed several members of the anti-cop, pro-thug, pro-gangster Civilian Complaints Review Board who bragged about their delinquencies and thug sympathies on Myspace. In addition, RANT members are very familiar with the adult industry. As police officers, they are specifically trained to recognize faces even through attempts to change appearances. Long story short, adult performers who openly broadcast their illegal activities are just asking to get busted. That being said, however, I am still not going to gloat and take pleasure out of seeing/hearing of a lady I whacked off to getting in a tight spot. It is just not humane to do that. I quite realize that I might be in the minority, but I don't care. Right is right, and it is not a popularity contest.Well, I for one--and I might be in a minority of one, admittedly--have never and will never call a female adult performer that word, or "whore." I even have a difficult time forcing the word "pornstar" out of my mouth. It is one thing if they use those words, just like it is one thing if blacks and LGBT's use the "n" and "f" (and "d") words. But it is another thing if an outsider uses those words. When a performer uses those words, it is like lesbians using the "d" word. It is about empowerment, and owning that word instead of being persecuted by it.
Apparently so. Since it's something you obviously don't quite grasp.What exactly is your point? I've read over your posts a few times now and all I can get out of it is that you don't understand the difference between fantasy and reality. That's your problem. I can't teach you how to tell the difference if you can't already see it. It should be self-evident that a woman who works as a porn star doesn't want some random moron calling her names and really meaning it, as opposed to her costars who are usually just playing a role in a realistic depiction of a fantasy. Context and intent. They're being paid to put up with having their costars call them cumsluts. That doesn't mean they want to hear your opinion because you watched the movie. Especially if you just want to call them names because you have some kind of bizarre mental issue with what they do. I'm sure they'd just as soon not hear your opinion on that.
Edited by - randomprecision on 1/17/2009 5:23:00 PM
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Posted - Jan 17 2009 : 5:16PM
Quote from Billy Watson over at ishootporn. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but it is still "Shit in porn I don't understand."
^Seriously. It's not like there's a shortage of heterosexuals in the world. I could see getting a hetero guy for a gay flick because you just can't find a gay guy who's right for the part in your small town in Idaho or something. But not being able to find any hetero guys in Southern California who want to fuck hot girls is definitely something in porn I've wondered about before, and I don't understand it either.
An interesting thought is that if the men are actually gay and not even bisexual, it takes a lot more effort for them to climax with a woman. Which translates to a longer scene, fueled by Viagra. Most straight (or even bi) men would climax almost immediately because women turn them on. A porn producer needs a guy who can last longer then 15 seconds. Most of us have one shot and we'd be done for at least a few hours.
Hmmm... Interesting indeed. In other words, perhaps often the only way to create "porn sex" is to ensure that the man isn't actually attracted to the woman at all. Otherwise he wouldn't be capable of the otherworldly abilities expected of him.
I don't know. Just a guess. I'm sure there are some straight men in porn. And there are probably even a few straight guys who can do everything they need to be able to do. And then, obviously, they're probably not gonna love every woman they get paired up with. I just don't see an average guy who loves fucking women lasting half an hour (or longer) and shooting his load on cue. Maybe a once in a lifetime performance for an average guy would go that way. Could he do it every day?
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Posted - Jan 17 2009 : 8:39PM
"I just don't see an average guy who loves fucking women lasting half an hour (or longer) and shooting his load on cue." That's why you don't see 'average guys' in 'big studio' porn... The 'average guy' can't act worth crap either, which is why average guys don't end up in Hollywood movies...
@killbillvol69....You said just what I've been trying to say. It isn't sex, it's an artificial product derived from actual sex. It's registered trademark is "Porn" We are watching heart healthy "I Can't believe its Butter" sex. Edited by - ntfighter on 1/17/2009 8:44:45 PM
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Posted - Jan 17 2009 : 8:43PM
Dude, you obviously dont' read them at all, or don't understand what you are reading. Hell, I don't even think you read what you write. If you go back to my initial question which you so smart assedly answered, I was refering to the point that why is it degradation on one thread and fantasy on another. It was all refering to behavior in porn, not porn and real life.
I see it as a producer's problem. They are stuck in a rut. Why is good acting needed in gonzo. Once the fucking starts, acting should be taboo on the males part. Why does the guy have to last so long? Why must the load be on cue? Why can't anyone shoot within the bounds of human sexuality?
Well, the entire porn industry can't really be expected to operate on the few straight guys who have superhuman sexual prowess, can it? Especially considering if there are more of them than the ones we see, they either don't seem to be interested in doing porn or the porn industry doesn't seem to be interested in trying to find them.
Apparently, I read it wrong. I assumed you were responding to the posts a couple of us made earlier. I don't know if you have since edited your post or not but for whatever reason, it didn't make as much sense last time I read it. I thought you were arguing with my earlier point so I apologize. I should have read it more carefully. Edited by - randomprecision on 1/17/2009 9:53:40 PM
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Posted - Jan 17 2009 : 10:54PM
"the entire porn industry can't really be expected to operate on the few straight guys who have superhuman sexual prowess, can it?" It sure seems to be.... There are what, 1/100ths of the men in Porn than there are women?? It sure seems that way anyway... "they either don't seem to be interested in doing porn" Can't say as I blame 'em
After reading your posts, (80-90%? wow), I've come up with my own opinion on why there are so many bi guys in porn. Starting with my assumption that most porn 'buyers' are guys, and therefore that males are who studios cater to... Let's face it. While watching porn is probably pretty normal, acting in porn takes a personality that's sorta 'anything goes', a much more liberal personality than most people have. I think that finding people who love sex, don't mind having it on camera, get turned on by knowing others are watching, and are good with the idea of multiple partners over a few years, makes them more likely to be open and liberal on gender issues too. The same way pleasure overrides social taboo, public stigma, and a host of other things, pleasure would override arbitrary cultural restrictions on what gender someone should have sex with. I know that for me, girls kissing = hot, but guys kissing = ick (like you guys were saying about the anal licking stuff. For their private lives, to each his own. Just don't want to see it...especially in porn i gave over good cash for, lol.). And I would guess that most straight guys agree, at least to some extent. So if the majority of girl pornstars would work with other girls, it makes sense that the majority of male pornstars would work with other guys too. We just don't see it. the double standard is funny, and i know i'm guilty of it, but it's there. It's also why people call 'g-g = lesbian', 'g-g-g = lesbian', but 'g-g-g-b = everyone having fun'. and why in b-g-g there's almost ALWAYS interaction between the girls and it can be in a straight movie, but in b-b-g theres NEVER interaction between guys...and why lesbian movies and are mixed in with all-straight 1-on-1... Whoa...sorry, that post was longer than i thought... :( Edited by - wraithlead on 1/18/2009 11:32:34 AM
I don't trust men who don't like big tits. 1067 Posts 12/04
Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 7:33PM
Things I don't get/like The whole milk enema thing. Hell any kind of enema. Anal cum farts. Chicks licking guy ass. Guys eating their own cum(or anyones else's for that matter). Thank God I haven't actually seen this, but I've read of it in reviews. The opening credits where they show the pop-shot. Extreme gaping. Spitting in the mouth or on the face.
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 11:35PM
Do you mind a slight common thread of a story interlocking the sex scenes? And I mean slight. I do like your idea of an introduction and then sex. We will try that for you for sure. I think I will call the line. Introducing ________. Great idea, thanks. By the way they are referred to as " models". One year Bill Hicks who hosted the awards show said models??? What are they wearing in cum this year, is it off the shoulder, or just on the face? May he rest in peace. Bill Hicks, great thinker and comedian.
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 11:47PM
Most of the guys who shot porn that I know, both Tommy Gunns, Randy West, Ron, Tom Byron, J Mac, Mr. Marcus, Herchel Savage, I know most of these guys are older but the list goes on, are all straight. The only one I know is Peter North/Matt Ramsey that was bi/gay, whatever. I am sure there is a bunch more, but I just can't think of any. You guys got names, with proof?
Don't get: - cumming on the girls toes/feet. HuH? - standard money shot position now is girl on knees mouth open with guy(s) standing around her not to obstruct camera but mostly you see the girls dental work and not much of her face "did she go with the gold or silver crowns". Far better when the girl is on her back lying naturally and available spray area is increased to tits, mouth, face, hair[all of the above for Pnorth] - the obligatory pre-scene interview. Its so prevalent know I assume it's a legal "belt and suspenders" approach. If the girl is on camera before the scene stating she is over 18 and cant wait to get F'd in the A by 4 big dicks and eat the cum how can there be any legal repercussions on top of what ever waivers etc. that have been signed. Can someone in the business school me on this? There can be no other reason for the boring wood killing stuff. It tends to make the scene "ho hum, time to go to work" and robs the fantasy. - the girl spitting out cum while the guy is still cumming. I assume girls are sometimes told to do this to increase the aftermath effect of visibly seeing major cum spillage on her face/body but it is a pretty non-receptive act and again robs the fantasy. - excessive spitting during a BJ o.k. for specific fetish or genre but some girls are getting in to this habit of hocking loogeis on the dick ever few seconds during a BJ [see Gianna Michaels]
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Posted - Jan 19 2009 : 4:28AM
I can think of older performers like Marc Stevens, Zebedy Colt, Ron Dumont, George Payne, Wade Nichols, Jack Wrangler who were at least bi. Jamie Gillis let a few dudes and a shemale suck his dick in a couple of films. No criticism intended, I wish male performers today were even remotely in these guy's league. Maybe we need more crazy do-anything male fuckers in porn. Edited by - BlackSix on 1/19/2009 4:29:44 AM
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Posted - Jan 19 2009 : 10:28AM
"These were real guys, and some did not last very long at all, but it was real." If I wanted 'real' I'd go to an orgy....
^Orgy? I don't want to hammer the subject...but when an orgy is shot the director is faced with the problem of trying to keep multiple genitals in the view finder. Everyone fucking in open to the camera positions waiting for their turn on camera. Too much acting going on. Gives the scene a posed, artificial look.
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Posted - Jan 19 2009 : 1:14PM
I'm not talking about filming an orgy... If I wanted to see 'real' people fucking, I'd visit any of the local swinger groups I could hit with a well thrown rock in this area.... I don't much want to see 'real' people in porn.... I'm not a fan of big huge fake tits or plastic lips, but I also don't want to see Fred, the mailman, and his spare tire sticking his little todger up his wife's pimply ass....
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Jan 19 2009 : 6:30PM
We made Bangin Average Joe by request from guys on this blog. They asked for a porn girl to go out and pick up real guys and fuck them. We did. We knew that non pros aren't going to last as long as pros do, but that is part of the element. I understand it may not be for you, but with great sales and great reviews it is something we will make a part 2 of. It is many guys fantasy to have a real porn star or model, just walk up to them in the street and ask if they want to fuck, this may happen to you on a daily basis, but it doesn't happen very often to the Average Joe. It has sold over 3500 copies in 3 months. So someone likes it.
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Jan 19 2009 : 6:36PM
Again we used a porn star with regular guys, we didn't use " Fred the mailman and his pimply assed wife." It is not an amateur title, which I think you are talking about. Maybe you should see it first then criticize it. I'd be glad to send you a free copy.
Good one. Now I gotta go get a drink to try and wash the image of my mailman and his wife out of my head. I want the people involved in porn now to actually fuck. I'd like to see fucking rather a movie staring whomever performing a realistic depiction of people having sex Edited by - ntfighter on 1/19/2009 8:38:56 PM
^ From the moment the thread started, I was wondering how long it would take for someone to say that. But now that you've said it, I have to agree. I don't understand scat. I don't know what about shit can possibly make someone orgasm more quickly. Same with that dirty ATM thread. I don't understand that shit at all (pun intended). I mean, people desperately seeking out scenes where there's a tiny bit of brown on the guy's dick when he pulls it out of the girl's ass for her to suck, acting as if they won't be into it if they don't see any brown. I don't understand piss either, for that matter. Why would someone going to the toilet make me more horny? Pissing on someone I understand even less. Pee smells. Why would I want it on me? And what would it do for me to pee on someone else? Would my penis be more sensitive to sensation during the sex if I had peed on someone beforehand? And I definitely don't see why drinking pee (or watching another person drink it) would turn someone on. It's pee. It smells. I don't get any of it.
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Posted - Jan 20 2009 : 10:51AM
Just remembered. I also use to fuck a really hot blonde in nursing school at the time who liked being fucked while she pissed. She asked me if that didn't feel good on my dick. I said "Hell no" ! Go figure again.
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Posted - Jan 20 2009 : 11:20AM
"we used a porn star with regular guys" I musta missed that the first time you said it.... Still though, for the same reason I don't want to see an average-joe star in a Hollywood action film, I donno that I'd much wanna see an average-joe in a porno.... It'd be different if it didn't end with him jerking himself off I suppose! LOL "Maybe you should see it first then criticize it." I wasn't criticizing it... I was expressing my personal preferences and that they are probably different from the specific fantasy in the movie in question... But I'll take a free copy of anything! ,-) "It's pee. It smells." Depending on what you've been eating... but ya... I don't see the appeal either.
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Jan 20 2009 : 3:48PM
email me your address. I'll send one out. It really is quite good, it gives you the hope that if you're walking the streets of Miami, maybe, just maybe, you could end up in a porno too. This isn't my original idea, it was first done by the great Jamie Gillis in On The Prowl. He took Rene Morgan, rented a limo, got a camera and drove down to the pier in San Francisco and picked up two sailors and let them fuck Rene in the backseat. Ed Powers copied this with Bus Stop Tales.
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Posted - Jan 20 2009 : 4:58PM
Makes me think of the epic fail when they, in desperation, attempted the same thing in "Boogie Nights" LOL email sent
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Jan 20 2009 : 7:40PM
Unlike the epic fail in Boogie Nights On The Prowl sold around 15,000 pieces, Bus Stop Tales was a series that sold big numbers also. Boogie Nights was a movie, it wasn't real.
Add me to the very long list of people who don't get milk enemas. Although I was entertained by a chick in Gallant movie who drowned her own face with her ass milk. Interesting but not sexually stimulating to me in the least.
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Posted - Jan 20 2009 : 11:01PM
As Jessie St. James used to say, "It ain't an enema without chunks".
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