Shit in porn you don't understand (page 7)

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wmonbear Deactivated User 380 Posts 6/09	Posted - Oct 3 2009 : 7:20AM Can someone please explain to me the turn-on of drenching a woman’s face with semen and/or having her swallow it? This seems to be an act widely celebrated by porn’s fan base, suggesting that the majority of viewers “get off” on degrading women. This has been the biggest knock against the industry since its inception. Personally, I watch porn out of sheer appreciation of female beauty and sexuality. Nothing excites me more than seeing a gorgeous horny babe strip out of her clothes and then get f**ked so well that she loses control and becomes completely orgasmic. [Link]
BigBobxxx Senior Member 2681 Posts 5/04	Posted - Oct 3 2009 : 10:38AM ^ I don't see one-on-one boy/girl sex cumming on her face as "degrading" to women. The bukkake, gang bang, circus-act stuff, sure, I'd agree. Piss, spit and scat... I just don't get the attraction (I find them disgusting). Swallowing is a grey area. If it's done naturally by the girl, it can be hot. When it's done as a circus-act, most definitely not. [Link]
torris Senior Member Deep within Mila's anus 1827 Posts 1/00	Posted - Oct 3 2009 : 1:03PM Devil's Tight Indian Pussy and the Girls of Taj Mahal series with nothing close to Indians performing. Just cuz you paste a dot on Kristina Rose or Evie Delatosso's forehead that doesn't make them tandoori twats [Link]
Dread Senior Member Latex and boobs 5085 Posts 3/07	Posted - Oct 3 2009 : 1:13PM bukkake's i never got. Gang-bangs and Blow-bangs as well. If you're going to have that many guys at least get some more girls and make it a party. That's my philosophy anyway. ----Dread---- [Link]

The DMan Senior Member 1844 Posts 6/07	Posted - Oct 3 2009 : 2:24PM torris wrote: Devil's Tight Indian Pussy and the Girls of Taj Mahal series with nothing close to Indians performing. Just cuz you paste a dot on Kristina Rose or Evie Delatosso's forehead that doesn't make them tandoori twats Click to expand So true. [Link]
Stud_Rob Member 703 Posts 4/09	Posted - Oct 3 2009 : 4:07PM The Ghost of Cal Jammer wrote: Why Ron Jeremy can't get wood when fucking Lindy Lane. What the fuck Manuel Ferrara is saying 75% of the time and why he feels the need to continue saying it. Why Talon has almost no cock-control when he is cumming, to the point where he sometimes has to grab it with two hands. Click to expand LMAO brilliant post. I have never understood cumming onto feet in porn. Edited by - Stud_Rob on 10/3/2009 4:08:24 PM [Link]
cocacoladdict Member 359 Posts 1/08	Posted - Oct 8 2009 : 4:17PM even sillier is Kickass Pics having foot fetish footage(pun not intended) in every...freaking..scene they do..at least during the the heyday of the Barefoot&Confidential series...you would find every other scene in other series of thir's with foot sucking fondling etc....it was like Operation Rolling Advertisment..or The Ad That Wouldn't Die [Link]
Aces&Jacks Member 229 Posts 11/03	Posted - Oct 8 2009 : 9:06PM I never understood why the cameraman/director thinks that tilting the camera at a 45 degree angle improves the shot. No one goes through life viewing anything at a 45 degree angle, so if they think the inch gained in additional viewing space is an improvement or if it makes them seem like they are clever cameramen, they are wrong. You would think that after viewing the perspective distortion created from the tilt someone would have thought that maybe this isn't a good idea. I remember a couple of years back in some thread here where, (and my memory may be a little off) I believe it was Mason, who said that that was the greatest thing she ever learned about filming porn (or something to that effect). WTF, if that was the best thing you learned about film making, go to your local community college a take some classes. The worst offender has to be Vince Vouyer, who seems to believe that 45 degrees isn't enough. Often he likes to go the full 90 degrees so that the performers heads are on the left side of the screen even though they are in an upright position. Maybe it's just his way of eliminating the perspective distortion that you get with a 45 degree tilt. Who knows? [Link]
seedfeeder Member My balls are full, who's hungry? 716 Posts 4/09	Posted - Oct 9 2009 : 1:04PM Haze wrote: Just a list of stuff I don't get. -When girls have taped Xs on their nipples. -the giant fake dick on that one porn site -girls that slap themselves in blowjob scenes -making a girl gag so hard her mascara runs and looks like tammy faye baker -the whole deal with putting milk in a girls ass -the pornsite where they give girls heads swirlies in the toilet -the site where girls make milkshakes in their asses Click to expand Completely hilarious. I pretty much agree with all of it. Here's a few more: -That one movie where they are gagging bisexual britni to where she's puking... have her catch all the puke in a big juice container... then have her drink it all at the end. -Erik Everhard -Clown Makeup on all the female stars now (cough jules jordan cough) -half of the stuff by JM productions -Having an oral cumshot... but half the guys in porn cannot aim and MISS... pathetic -Filming the man's facial reaction to the fact that he is cumming (okay, that's old school-but it still made no sense back then-I mean, ya, that's what you wanna see-in the middle of the money shot-some dude's "oh face".) -Bad Filming and equipment for a decade (cough JM Prod. cough) -Lying about the content of the movie on the movie sleeve and title... Leisure Time Products comes to mind. They'd call it "oral cumshots" then have a bunch of crappy scenes and maybe 3 had oral cumshots and maybe ONE was a good angle and NONE of the scenes pictures the action shown on the cover lol. -In the early "10 man cum slam" movies, all the dudes screaming "Slam it" everytime somebody came, boy that was annoying and idiotic. [Link]
The Ghost of Cal Jammer Senior Member 2207 Posts 7/09	Posted - Oct 9 2009 : 2:46PM ^ I have to agree with you on Eric Everhard. I mean, God bless the guy. He gets to fuck all the hotties. Dude did a threesome w/ Tanner and Lexi Belle. But the thing I don't get about him is where he does during his scenes. Most of the time he's got his eyes closed and he's fucking like his life depends on it, which is fine, although a bit strange, considering that he gets to fuck some of the most beautiful women in the world. He did a scene w/ Lorena Sanchez, and they're in mish, and he's just pounding away, and Lorena is staring at him, his eyes are closed, and all of sudden she screams, "Look at me while you're fucking me, goddammit!" Weird. [mod edit: quote removed] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 10/12/2009 11:57:53 PM [Link]
the unknown pervert Deactivated User I'd like to stay but I've got a plane to catch. 3243 Posts 5/06	Posted - Oct 9 2009 : 8:46PM Hiring a make up artist for a scene and then editing that scene so 90% of the footage consists of "for God's sake, please zoom out" extreme close up shots. [Link]
gingerlee Member 301 Posts 5/06	Posted - Oct 13 2009 : 2:54AM Starr Santiago wrote: 4) Men who seem clueless about what the clitoris is. This may come as a total bummer/shocker, but most eggheaded women (who watch porn) such as myself know that most women can't cum from the vag hole alone. You need to tug on that little knob down there to see REAL results. Click to expand Holy shit, reading that just made my night! So sad, yet so true! [Link]
ntfighter Member 645 Posts 7/07	Posted - Oct 13 2009 : 11:22AM This is so ubiquitous that it goes unnoticed. "Open to/for the camera" Open to the camera sexual couplings seem uncomfortable and are odd looking. The missionary position has bodies only touching at the genitals, doggy always has the guy hovering over her butt holding onto to a wall or something anything but her. I have watched scenes where there wasn't any full penetration at all. The guy just kind of put it in a jiggled the tip a little. No wonder they end up jerking themselves off. The limitation of "open" positions doesn't allow enough stimulation for anyone to cum. The camera should show the penetration but I don't need to see every inch of the guys dick in every shot. It's amateurish. There's been many times someone will post about a hot scene where the girl was really into it. I get the movie and see there is a Oscar performance by a girl and a disembodied dick. I don't understand it. I expected to see people having sex. [Link]
BigBobxxx Senior Member 2681 Posts 5/04	Posted - Oct 13 2009 : 12:02PM ^ Interesting that you should post this. I was just watching Christi Lake with Peter North in Forbidden Cravings earlier this morning, and couldn't help but notice the ferocity in which SHE was fucking him! Towards the end of the scene, she's riding Peter reverse cowgirl, and she is slamming down on his cock, right to the base, as hard as she can. Literally, her entire body rises-up off Peter, so that the only thing left touching her is the tip of his cock, then she slams her entire weight down the full-length of his shaft, bottoming-out with a noticeable thwack each time! This kind of fucking is really hot. I understand why it is difficult, if not next to impossible, to film entire scenes this way, but having the action escalate this way -- and getting some of it into the final edit -- should really be a goal of competent studios, directors, camera operators, editors and performers. One of the real turn-ons, when the girls are fucking the really big cocks (e.g. Mandingo), is how the scenes start out so carefully, tentatively, just playing with the monster (maybe nibbling the first couple inches of the cock, taking three or four inches of penetration). Then, taking more-and-more of the stud as the scene progresses. Sometimes -- and this is porn gold -- the girls actually get to the point of taking the whole thing, right to the base (and their reactions appear to be so real, that they are really getting-off on it). Isn't this part of the whole male fantasy: That we are hung like Mandingo, and fucking the girls into out-of-control orgasm as we slam the full, rock-hard length of our cocks into them, then blow a "Peter North" load all over them? [Link]

mindee Member If you don't break the rules, you'll never have any fun! 717 Posts 10/06	Posted - Oct 13 2009 : 12:10PM gingerlee wrote: Starr Santiago wrote: 4) Men who seem clueless about what the clitoris is. This may come as a total bummer/shocker, but most eggheaded women (who watch porn) such as myself know that most women can't cum from the vag hole alone. You need to tug on that little knob down there to see REAL results. Click to expand Holy shit, reading that just made my night! So sad, yet so true! Click to expand I have to agree. Most guys couldn't find a clit with a miner's hat, a flashlight, a roadmap & a GPS! However, I would also say, that many women won't take the time to show a man where & how she wants to be touched. In that case, both parties lose pretty badly. [Link]
torris Senior Member Deep within Mila's anus 1827 Posts 1/00	Posted - Oct 13 2009 : 12:17PM The Ghost of Cal Jammer wrote: ^ I have to agree with you on Eric Everhard. I mean, God bless the guy. He gets to fuck all the hotties. Dude did a threesome w/ Tanner and Lexi Belle. But the thing I don't get about him is where he does during his scenes. Most of the time he's got his eyes closed and he's fucking like his life depends on it, Click to expand It's like he's riding a thoroughbred at the Kentucky Derby, why not just get a riding crop while you're slapping their ass. [Link]
mindee Member If you don't break the rules, you'll never have any fun! 717 Posts 10/06	Posted - Oct 13 2009 : 12:18PM wmonbear wrote: Can someone please explain to me the turn-on of drenching a woman’s face with semen and/or having her swallow it? This seems to be an act widely celebrated by porn’s fan base, suggesting that the majority of viewers “get off” on degrading women. Click to expand OK..I am speaking ONLY for me here. Any other women, please feel free to step in. From the standpoint of being involved, I LOVE IT! I like being the center of attention, I like being the one to get all the guys off, and I love cum. I don't find it the least bit personally degrading. I like watching it. One of my personal guilty pleasures is to watch the scene in American Bukkake-12 where Holly Landers gets totally plastered. Give me that scene and let me turn on my Eroscillator, and I can get off like an atomic explosion. But again, that's just me, and I'm only speaking for me. There are other women I know, who wouldn't be involved in something like that for anything, and in their own personal lives, they don't like dealing with a guy's cum. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Oct 13 2009 : 2:45PM wmonbear wrote: Can someone please explain to me the turn-on of drenching a woman’s face with semen and/or having her swallow it? This seems to be an act widely celebrated by porn’s fan base, suggesting that the majority of viewers “get off” on degrading women. Click to expand Sounds like you've already made up your mind about it. You would just argue with anything I told you anyway so why bother? If it makes you feel any better, I think it's just as hot to watch a woman piss in a man's mouth. How's that fit into your little theory? [Link]
duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09	Posted - Oct 13 2009 : 2:49PM RE: facials In another thread, I asked what women got out of the whole blowjob thing. The consensus seemed to be, if I read it aright, that truly arousing a man was a turn on for them, including feeling and seeing that arousal in a nice messy cumshot. There is something arousing about seeing and doing any errogenous body contact that, in a nonsexual context is outrageous or even a little disgusting -- oral sex, anal sex; the cumshot, etc. To do these things with pleasure is the ultimate intimacy. From the standpoint of one man who finds (some of) them a real turn on -- myself-- the facial CAN be demeaning; a misogynist act of humiliating a woman. In porn it most often looks that way, when the guy positions the girls head, yanking it back and forth on his dick, barks directions, calls her bitch and whore, etc. and has to pump his dick like like an exhausted cow's teat for five minutes to make a deposit on the poor girl's face. I hate that. But when a woman sucks off a man enthusiastically, as though she wants to be doing it, the man cums on her face and she keeps right on sucking, even smiling, clearly happy at what she has accomplished, it is, to me, what great sex is all about: pleasure, both phyical and emotional, the giving and receiving of which is indistinguishable one from the other, and feels and looks so good that both are oblivious to anything else. Beats me how anyone could NOT be turned on watching that. [Link]
Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Oct 13 2009 : 3:34PM Less than a decade ago some female performers would refuse facials stating that they felt that they were degrading. It seemed to be a general feeling; only the cheapest, don't-give-a-fuck whores took a facial. Funny how opinions change. Now it seems many female performers don't think twice about it. [Link]
duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09	Posted - Oct 13 2009 : 3:53PM You're right. I remember those days -- sadly, very sadly. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Oct 13 2009 : 5:35PM I'm torn on the facial issue - I appreciate Mindee's perspective, and totally understand, and I also see why facials can seem misogynistic. I will say this: if there were a degree of balance in who is doing what to whom, I don't think there would be nearly as much of a problem with it. When I hear a defense that consists of "I enjoy giving him pleasure," then I wonder, well, why doesn't he enjoy it the same way, and want to share in getting sticky stuff all over him? Obviously, as testified, men enjoy all manner of body fluids, but it simply isn't represented as much in porn, and therein lies the problem for me. Oh, and those interested in this issue as part of a feminist debate, check out this article from 2007 which details a fairly heated debate between three female porn makers regarding BJs and facials (there are links in the article to the whole discourse). [Link]
redhead Member Not so redhead these days... 718 Posts 1/08	Posted - Oct 13 2009 : 5:53PM ^ Thanks for posting that article. It was really interesting! [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Oct 13 2009 : 6:27PM Tight - glad you read it. [Link]

ntfighter Member 645 Posts 7/07	Posted - Oct 13 2009 : 6:58PM Thanks for the article. It was very interesting. I came away with a new phrase "catch the gay as in: Quote from the article, "Ell, I fully understand the reason why porn is hesitant to show the men – it’s assumed the male audience doesn’t want to “catch the gay.”" [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Oct 13 2009 : 7:41PM Good article, Linda Williams talks about the external cumshot in Hardcore in much the same way. I think I remember Candida Royalle once referring to facials as 'the Triumph of the Dick.' I think that captures the absurdity of the way the facial is often presented in porn quite well. It's not only women though, I'm a straight male who finds the ubiquity of the facial boring as well. Many of the male posters here have expressed a preference for cumshots that the woman actually brings about with her own mouth or hand as opposed to the often artificial 'birdfeeder' pose we so often see. In general I prefer more variety, even internal cumshots that weren't ruined with the silly act of focusing on some of the cum dripping out of the woman's vagina. One interesting point from the article: "Imagine how ground breaking it would be if we got to see the woman come AFTER the guy? Even if that meant bringing in a vibrator." This exact scenario takes place at the end of the Manuel/Kristina Rose scene in Slave Dolls 3. It's great, very hot. [Link]
BYOB_Kenobi Senior Member “Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards.” - Kierkegaard 2684 Posts 8/09	Posted - Oct 13 2009 : 7:59PM Why porn directors insist on using excessive makeup on girls! Why Arizona is the best kept secret in porn and hasn't signed or been casted in many American productions! How Chloe Parker took as much as she did of Mandingo in Mandingo Teen Domination! Why American producers and directors don't read ADT fan feedback and implement some into scenes! [div] My Current Enigma (I'm going to pull a Few Good Men here) If G-Spot stimulation is truly sensational, and women always rave about G-Spot stimulation, why has Lilli Love (in Mike's Apartment) been the only girl in all the b/g scenes I've seen, who pushes down (and has male co-star) on her pelvic wall right above her pubic bone (in missionary)? Granted that bastard is located mostly behind the pubic bone, but by individual variation alone, this technique has got to work on some girls (more than Lilli Love) during vaginal intercourse. Yet I have heard nothing, anywhere on the net about this. Granted, I'm kinda ambivalent that I've only seen it in Euro porn as 1). we know porn doesn't really like to show women having orgasms in b/g scenes and 2). I'm sure the American directors couldn't handle this anyway and would go overboard by putting a 300lb weight there, but... BTW, I would love and I would appreciate any female feedback or explanations on this technique (i.e., Why isn't it more prevalent, Is this effective in a lot of women during b/g vaginal intercourse). Pics of this technique are hosted by ImageBam and links are below. pic 1 pic 2 pic 3 pic 4 pic 5 pic 6 pic 7 pic 8 [/div] [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Oct 13 2009 : 8:03PM BYOB_Kenobi wrote: Why Arizona is the best kept secret in porn and hasn't signed or been casted in many American productions! Click to expand Maybe the girls don't want to come to L.A. That's the only safe place to shoot in the country afterall. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Oct 13 2009 : 8:27PM ntfighter wrote: Thanks for the article. It was very interesting. I came away with a new phrase "catch the gay as in: Quote from the article, "Ell, I fully understand the reason why porn is hesitant to show the men – it’s assumed the male audience doesn’t want to “catch the gay.”" Click to expand Lol! That's great - "catch the gay" indeed. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Oct 13 2009 : 8:31PM BlackSix wrote: Good article, Linda Williams talks about the external cumshot in Hardcore in much the same way. Click to expand I was thinking of Williams when I posted the article too - great book. One interesting point from the article: "Imagine how ground breaking it would be if we got to see the woman come AFTER the guy? Even if that meant bringing in a vibrator." This exact scenario takes place at the end of the Manuel/Kristina Rose scene in Slave Dolls 3. It's great, very hot. Click to expand This element of the article caught my attention too - surely this is something that a lot of people here would love to see! And now I have a reference, I will be sure to watch Slave Dolls 3 - what a pairing! [Link]
Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Oct 14 2009 : 4:16AM Every single scene in Tori Black is Pretty Filthy ends with Tori's orgasm, not the man's. One of the many reasons I love that movie to death. (grrrr. typos) Edited by - savoy on 10/14/2009 4:20:36 AM [Link]
Keni Member www.kenistylesblog.com 131 Posts 8/07	Posted - Oct 14 2009 : 4:33AM Savoy wrote: Every single scene in Tori Black is Pretty Filthy ends with Tori's orgasm, not the man's. One of the many reasons I love that movie to death. Click to expand Grr I can't wait to watch that as well as Buttwoman & Slutwoman! I'm awaiting delivery of the boxset! [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Oct 14 2009 : 7:39AM Savoy wrote: Every single scene in Tori Black is Pretty Filthy ends with Tori's orgasm, not the man's. One of the many reasons I love that movie to death. (grrrr. typos) Edited by - savoy on 10/14/2009 4:20:36 AM Click to expand I said something to that effect on another thread (and was told it was all fake by some poster, only for Tori herself to step in and set the record straight). That movie is awesome. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Oct 14 2009 : 7:39AM ^ Oh, wait, it was this thread.. [Link]

Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Oct 14 2009 : 11:33AM Sorry I missed you writing that. This thread is monstrous. True or fake, the seed for something great is there in TBIPF. Like every "pop" is real? Gimme a break, right? :) [Link]
Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Oct 14 2009 : 11:42AM Just found it. The girls announcing orgasms wasn't what struck me. Plenty of my earlier favorites do that - Chloe Nichole and Keri Windsor, for example. It was that those scenes weren't "jizz on face" than done. I know that's not how things end for me. Why is it always like that in porn? And I really appreciate Mason and Tori doing that. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Oct 14 2009 : 2:19PM ^ Oh, I totally agree. Yeah, this thread is so long, I forgot I even posted in it (shouldn't this be a hint to the movie makers...?). Yeah, there are girls who do it, and kudos to them (and the crew/cast who enable the situation to occur?). I'm with you on the post-cum cum - why not diversify? I just find it so hard to believe that audiences would object. Is the pop shot really still the be-all and end-all of a scene? [Link]
redhead Member Not so redhead these days... 718 Posts 1/08	Posted - Oct 14 2009 : 6:25PM Gore Gore Girl wrote: Is the pop shot really still the be-all and end-all of a scene? Click to expand I hope not. I enjoy watching a good cum shot but it feels like every movie I watch ends in the same predictable way. Mix it up a little!! [Link]
duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09	Posted - Oct 14 2009 : 7:06PM These days, it pretty much is, yes. I don't know why I feel guilty confessing this, but I do a little to say that watching two people fuck, period, (missionary, doggy or what have you), is not only dull, but pretty silly looking. My only response to it is, 'well, THEY are having fun, at least.' It is watching the other components of sex: teasing, arousal, foreplay, and the visible orgasm, that turns me on. [Link]
realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04	Posted - Oct 14 2009 : 7:45PM I've probably mentioned this somewhere in this forum before. But I don't get the whole thing with men in porn shaving off all their body hair. When girls do it, it's hot and sexy. But when men do it, it just doesn't look right. If anything, it almost makes them look kinda sickly. They really need to stop that. [Link]
wmonbear Deactivated User 380 Posts 6/09	Posted - Oct 17 2009 : 11:36AM wmonbear wrote: Can someone please explain to me the turn-on of drenching a woman’s face with semen and/or having her swallow it? This seems to be an act widely celebrated by porn’s fan base, suggesting that the majority of viewers “get off” on degrading women. Click to expand After giving this subject some deeper thought, here is my take on the psychology behind “the facial” act. It seems to represent a symbolic reclamation of power by men, after being somewhat emasculated by a sometimes lengthy tease phase joyfully unleashed by women. In a real-life setting, this could last for days, weeks, or in some extreme cases months. Essentially, the facial as well as “the hard f**k” can both be interpreted as retribution for the sexual anguish men are sometimes forced to endure. Any thoughts? Edited by - wmonbear on 10/17/2009 11:37:59 AM [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Oct 17 2009 : 11:58AM ^ I find that depressing. Doesn't mean I disagree. I'm still mulling it over in my mind. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Oct 17 2009 : 2:31PM redhead wrote: Gore Gore Girl wrote: Is the pop shot really still the be-all and end-all of a scene? Click to expand I hope not. I enjoy watching a good cum shot but it feels like every movie I watch ends in the same predictable way. Mix it up a little!! Click to expand I wish I could agree but I often find myself just skipping straight to the cumshot when I can see that a scene is just gonna be a tangled mess of pointless motion with no heat. Often, the cumshot is the only thing in a scene that's worth seeing (for those of us who get off on them). It's not that there aren't other possibilities. It's just that the cumshot (Assuming they have a hot, willing female and a guy who can aim and reliably shoot a good load) is pretty much impossible to fuck up. If I don't get anything else out of a scene, I'm generally fairly happy with a good pop. I think 80% of porn would be completely useless without the cumshot (As sad as it is). I think it's a valid complaint that every scene ends the same way but there are a bazillion other things in most scenes that I'd complain about before I'd go near complaining about the cumshot. Edited by - randomprecision on 10/17/2009 2:38:26 PM [Link]
duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09	Posted - Oct 17 2009 : 2:37PM I think wmonbear's got something there, in so far as I believe it may be a big PART of why the facial is so alluring to so many. Certainly, everything about it puts the woman in a kind of submissive role: The position she must take, the fact that only the man is being physically stimuated, even though both might be emotionally aroused by it, and of couse the mess it makes. I don't know if this is everything about its appeal. That would depend, maybe, on whether the man was as willing, as aroused, to get a 'facial' as to give one; to bring her to climax orally. In that case, I'm not sure the 'retribution' aspect of the facial would be all there was to it. Edited by - duefuss on 10/17/2009 2:40:32 PM [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Oct 17 2009 : 2:47PM duefuss wrote: Certainly, everything about it puts the woman in a kind of submissive role: The position she must take, the fact that only the man is being physically stimuated, even though both might be emotionally aroused by it, and of couse the mess it makes. Click to expand Well, personally, I don't find it nearly as appealing if the girl obviously hates it. The biggest turn on for me is a girl who obviously loves cum. That's kind of a rare thing and many cumshots end up with the girl (more or less) grimacing if it goes in her mouth at all. But I find no joy in watching women doing shit they hate. Many of these things may be seen as degrading or humiliating if the girl hates it but there's another dimension if they don't. Edited by - randomprecision on 10/17/2009 2:49:17 PM [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Oct 17 2009 : 3:46PM ^ I would hope that were the case, and I agree - pop shots/facials are not inherently degrading. Sometimes women own the scene, and express pleasure, so I would have to disagree with duefess in that respect. As for skipping ahead during a lame scene, I do the exact same thing (especially if it's someone special, like Manuel Ferrara, which says a lot, because obviously the performer's attraction level has something to do with it, a female viewer's desire to see a male performer's pleasure, thereby making it more complex than simply wanting to see a girl degraded). I often think of cum shots as a kind of performance art, just like the other sex acts, and appreciate them in this way. And furthermore, it's too simplistic to assume that men identify with men/women identify with women. With all that said, I wish they would switch it up more. I'm not calling for the elimination of anything, but rather the expansion of what already exists. [Link]
BYOB_Kenobi Senior Member “Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards.” - Kierkegaard 2684 Posts 8/09	Posted - Oct 17 2009 : 4:16PM Gore Gore Girl wrote: With all that said, I wish they would switch it up more. I'm not calling for the elimination of anything, but rather the expansion of what already exists. Click to expand GGG, I agree up to a certain point. As a badass philosophy professor I once had said, "I don't want to be an armchair *-ogian and sound too heady..." about porn, but the routine, non-deviating action of facials has gotten way out of control. I totally agree that directors haven't exercised creative control over creating variation in the facial department. However, I think it's gotten so predictable, we are shocked when a scene doesn't have it. Also, this is another/one-less differentiating factor between pro and amateur porn, thus reducing the 'gap' between the two. I really wish porn companies would simply embrace and practice the "less is more" philosophy here (among other areas). These days you could give a high school student a camcorder and create a video(s) for a faction of the cost that could compete with expensively produced professional videos. It's a no-brainer! I don't get it! [o\\|][o\\|][o\\|] [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Oct 17 2009 : 4:47PM ^ I think we actually agree pretty much 100% - I was simply saying that diversity is key, which seems to be pretty much what you're saying too. I watched an older movie the other day (Nothing to Hide) and realised towards the end that there had been several scenes with no visible cum shot, and it was actually very refreshing (not to mention appropriate for the film). It can be especially annoying when it simply doesn't make any sense in the context of the narrative (I'm referring particularly to facials - in fact, I'm much less enamoured of the facial than other kinds of pop shot, as well as the accompanying bubble blowing, gurgling, and swapping). I was just trying to clarify that I'm not anti-cum shot necessarily, but merely bored/frustrated/disappointed with how formulaic things have become - hell, even a non-facial cum shot is hard to come by these days. [Link]
BYOB_Kenobi Senior Member “Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards.” - Kierkegaard 2684 Posts 8/09	Posted - Oct 17 2009 : 4:59PM GGG Oh, I didn't mean to come off as criticizing. I just wanted to focus on the other dimension. On that note, facials for the sake of facials would be a good bumper sticker BTW, in general, do you think kissing while fucking in porn is a under-used, satisfactory, or over-used in American mainstream porn. I know it's a general statement, but I haven't seen all that much and I would guess that this would be a general inclusive preference for heterosexual female viewers. If this makes sense. Piece. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Oct 17 2009 : 5:44PM ^ No worries - I didn't take it as criticism. As for kissing, I can't speak for all women, hetero, queer, or otherwise, and I suppose that's the key - diverse audiences demand diverse material. I'm not really sure how much kissing I've seen in the movies I watch (which cover a pretty broad spectrum of stuff), perhaps because it's not something I either seek out or find off putting. I think it depends on who is doing the kissing - and how it's done. I don't like it when a movie is trying to be woman-friendly, so they have an obligatory and prolonged bout of kissing, then as if they've "checked the box" they move on to the next obligatory sex act. I do like it when it seems passionate and in-the-moment. I seem to recall this happening in some Mason/Sam No movies. But, again, I can't think of any off the top of my head because, while it's nice when it happens, it isn't something on my list of must-sees. Or, rather, it tends to be something that, when done right, tends to occur along with a whole host of other awesome, passionate, and in-the-moment things, so maybe it blends in and I don't distinguish it from the rest of the scene. [Link]