What are some things you HATE in porn? (page 21)

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draghixafan Senior Member Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09	Posted - Mar 2 2016 : 3:32AM Harry Buddha Palm covered exactly everything I HATE in porn, today, here.. Porn is so much better now Harry Buddha Palm wrote: I disagree. I think it's more boring and lazy. A bunch of people screwing on a couch for an hour. Big whoop. Scenes are too long and too bland. I miss the days when there was an artistry to porn and people knew how to edit a scene to keep the pacing up. I miss great lighting and costumes and scenarios. I miss the days when you could watch a movie in one sitting. I miss when every movie didn't have a double digit number in the title. Porn's gotten pretty mean and disgusting overall, too. Spitting, gagging, gaping assholes, slapping. I've got a pretty strong stomach, but a lot of porn these days makes my stomach churn. I've been watching porn for 20 years and I'm pretty over it. 70's and 80's porn was fun. 90's and early 00's porn was beautiful. This crap from the last decade is just disposable product cranked out as quickly and cheaply as possible. The same few actors in the same few houses on the same few couches screwing for 45 minutes. No artistry. No talent. No thought. No story. No meaning. No one cares. It's about the paycheck and nothing more. The old movies used to explore taboos. Today, they just explore colons. I'm done with it. Click to expand [Link]
SgtSausage Member Pleased to Meat you 376 Posts 10/15	Posted - Mar 2 2016 : 8:41AM ^ lol pretty much Edited by - sgtsausage on 3/2/2016 8:41:55 AM [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Mar 2 2016 : 9:03AM Sorry, but that sounds like misplaced nostalgia. I can't see how 90s and early 00s porn was 'beautiful.' The late 80s through most of the 90s was the nadir of ugly shot on video porn and the early 00s was the peak of ugliness in porn with Rob Black, Max Hardcore, Khan Tusion and Brandon Iron's Slap Happy all trolling the depths of gonzo porn that makes the excesses of today look tame in comparison. [Link]
Ben Mockridge Deactivated User 382 Posts 9/15	Posted - Mar 3 2016 : 4:33AM ^ Its understandable that different generations see things differently. For me 2000 marked the start of the period when porn reached its zenith with the start of Brandon Irons directing career and the introduction of Aurora Snow - I see no comparable beauty in todays triple and quadruple anal porn, nor would i call such excesses tame. [Link]

draghixafan Senior Member Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09	Posted - Mar 3 2016 : 9:04AM BlackSix wrote: Sorry, but that sounds like misplaced nostalgia. Click to expand No. And if being honest that's both condescending and insulting. BlackSix wrote: I can't see how 90s and early 00s porn was 'beautiful.' The late 80s through most of the 90s was the nadir of ugly shot on video porn and the early 00s was the peak of ugliness in porn with Rob Black, Max Hardcore, Khan Tusion and Brandon Iron's Slap Happy all trolling the depths of gonzo porn that makes the excesses of today look tame in comparison. Click to expand Because it was. Listing widely regarded as arguably the most abhorrent director of all time and a dude whose signature series made girls vomit and cry repeatedly, does absolutely nothing to support your argument whatsoever. Though the Slap Happy series with the toilet seat was genius and the Venus scene a classic! The 90s A few examples that immediately sprung to mind.. Private - the entire canon - gorgeous women in great locations in sensual sex. The peak the Private Penthouse series, Call Girl, Fashion and Italian Flair the highlights, if anyone cares to dispute this fact, no need to argue because they are full of shit! Andrew Blake - More highlights Hidden Obsession and its sister by another director Elements of Desire. Then we also have.. Micheal Ninn - Forver Night and Dreamcatcher, Jill Kelly anal and huge open mouth facial in period costume by a demon, and her incredibly beautiful anal in the rain scene. Mario Salieri - Too darkly lit for some, but no disputing again gorgeous women in beautiful scenarios with very erotic sex. 90s was the peak of entertainment, music, movies and porn, beautiful porn, FACT! The early 00s Jules Jordan - His Ass Worship & Flesh Hunter, masterpieces, I complain about same room and sure same apartment but this was a lavish penthouse loft, we all wanted to be him and fuck the gorgeous girls he did in that place, and critically he used the entire loft! Ryan Conner in Ass Worhsip 3, black and white check bodysuit, throughout, everywhere including the toilet, and finish on glass table for her to lick clean. Anything like that today, ANYWHERE?? Fashionistas - Even BDSM porn was classy and beautiful! Niche But talking Max Hardcore and Slap Happy you raise an interesting point, that both were niche, another example Stacked I thought was Erik Everhard but anyway two scenes with 3 girls getting jack-hammered for 45 mins, which was good spread of each girl for about 15 mins each, again hot for a niche, but today everyone is using the patented Erik Everhard 200 pumps per second jack-hammering technique, and scenes are 45 mins but 1 girl instead of 3. ADT the Enabler! This is the problem now, I have repeatedly tried to get some of the old charm back and often eg suggesting Anissa Kate do a gloryhole instead of another 100 naked/couch/facial scenes, get loudly shouted down, and most people are sick of it like me. So now we only have the rabid fanboys continually requesting, the only suggestions which are accepted it seems, new casts for the umteenth naked/couch/facial title in a series, and directors aren't going to argue as feeds their denial they are making a popular product. Making ADT the enabler of today's shite porn, convincing directors that more and more cookie-cut cheap crap is the answer, when it is exactly the opposite, and a huge part of what is driving its demise! Why do I keep returning? Because I love porn and would love to see the porn of the 90s return in 1080p quality.. But constantly disappointed, eg two perfect examples.. Mason, looking through her scenes of the last 18 months every scene after the incredible intro's is pretty much identical, and she wins the AVN director of the year? Katrina Jade, the most beautiful pornstar for me ever, almost incomprehensibly sexy with the most spectacular full sexy body.. and her first scenes I saw back then were amazing! But I return 18 months later to see all the angry ugly 40 min sex has fucked all the perfection out of her tits, and every scene she looks completely exhausted by it all and just wants the scenes to end? Like Harry Buddha Palm I am done with it. [Link]
draghixafan Senior Member Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09	Posted - Mar 3 2016 : 9:57AM ^ It has been suggested in a PM from my best bud here that I need to chill :) But I've had enough! My 3 fav directors.. JacktheZipper - all his alt-porn cred has gone now just a more stylised Digital Playground. Jonni Darkko - POV Jugg Fuckers, one of mine and many's favourite series of all time, #6, after repeated tit focus requests, a FUCK YOU blowjob movie. Mason - So much talent as shown in Sexual Disorder and intros, but same as everyone else white room naked couch facial. And all angry ugly sex, everywhere. Also my good bud suggested I crack a brew and watch some OLD shit, brew cracked, but with my big screens, monitor and TV, I want to see those qualities in today's HD.. Is it too much to ask? [Link]
Porn Minister Member 86 Posts 3/16	Posted - Mar 3 2016 : 12:08PM I wouldn't say I hate it, but there's one thing that bores me to death. If scenes follow all the the same routine, like mechanical sex, just the girl is different. I mean, you can tell that from a lot of tushy.com scenes. First minutes introduction (here actually lies the most variety), then we go all the same route: Blowjob, Pussy, Doggy, girl down, dominated by male, makes exhausted face, side fucking, then maybe varieties with the cumshot. It's hard to tell, since I also do like watching Gonzo Porn, but some scenes really look like boring duplicates. Sorry my grammar. Second thing I really hate is actually Girls puking saliva during blowjob...What's the deal? How is this supposed to be sexy? Gagging in general, never understood this. Sticking the whole hand in some girls mouth in an agressive way, util she pukes...how is this sexy? [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Mar 3 2016 : 3:37PM For me it is only Andrew Blake and some of Jack the Zipper that stands up well today out of your list. Some JJ scenes were good but overall I'm not a fan of scenes where he is a performer (he shoots his pop shots the exact same way everytime). I find most of his work paint-by-numbers gonzo. Efficient but rarely inspired. Ninn and company's hairstyle porn has not aged well imo, the sex is mechanical and most of the surreal visuals don't impress compared to Through the Looking Glass or Nightdreams and Cafe Flesh, the last two being clear influences. One director you seem to have missed is John Leslie, who did some of his best work in the early 90s with Curse of the Catwoman, Chameleons, Fresh Meat, Drop Sex and Dog Walker. The big difference between the DPs and DAPs of today, which you claim are ubiquitous although there are many others here complaining they don't happen as often as they did in the 00s and Tusion and company is that they were out to make joyless and humiliating porn on purpose as opposed to inadvertently. The only modern day equivalent is FA. One could claim that Tusion and company were niche, hard to tell, certainly early on Max's early and ugly underaged themed anal porn was popular. But Red Light was very big and their scenes viewed today are notable for a complete lack of interest in showing the female performer's pleasure. It is mostly macho garbage. Chico Wang was also producing his unfunny and boring porn at this time, the fact he was a convicted sexual abuser and eventually implicated in the death of his girlfriend is hardly surprising. I agree with much of the criticism of modern porn in terms of the lack of imagination but that's been par for the course for decades, hardly some sudden revelation. As always, the people doing good work are the minority and need to be sought out. I think Eddie Powell, Dana Vespoli and Manuel are all doing good work as directors right now for instance. Edited by - BlackSix on 3/3/2016 3:44:08 PM [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Mar 3 2016 : 3:50PM Porn Minister wrote: Second thing I really hate is actually Girls puking saliva during blowjob...What's the deal? How is this supposed to be sexy? Gagging in general, never understood this. Sticking the whole hand in some girls mouth in an agressive way, util she pukes...how is this sexy? Click to expand Adriano has made this popular unfortunately. Like the fads of yesteryear like fish-hooking, fake squirting and guys putting their foot on the woman's head hopefully it goes the way of the dodo. In terms of the hand in mouth thing, believe the first to do this was Ashley Blue and she revealed in her bio (worth a read btw) that the fetish was related to her serious eating disorder. Edited by - BlackSix on 3/3/2016 3:53:04 PM [Link]
Porn Minister Member 86 Posts 3/16	Posted - Mar 4 2016 : 10:47AM BlackSix wrote: Porn Minister wrote: Second thing I really hate is actually Girls puking saliva during blowjob...What's the deal? How is this supposed to be sexy? Gagging in general, never understood this. Sticking the whole hand in some girls mouth in an agressive way, util she pukes...how is this sexy? Click to expand Adriano has made this popular unfortunately. Like the fads of yesteryear like fish-hooking, fake squirting and guys putting their foot on the woman's head hopefully it goes the way of the dodo. In terms of the hand in mouth thing, believe the first to do this was Ashley Blue and she revealed in her bio (worth a read btw) that the fetish was related to her serious eating disorder. Edited by - BlackSix on 3/3/2016 3:53:04 PM Click to expand Oh well, great fetish then...Other guys who do this obviously with passion are Nacho Vidal and Rocco Siffredi. It's completely out of my mind how this can be stimulating. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Mar 4 2016 : 12:21PM The hilarious thing is that if you read the puking saliva and Adriano threads the guys on there think that Adriano is going to lose a significant number of customers because he cuts the overt puking out of his scenes! They seem to have no inkling that he would lose WAY more customers if he didn't cut those scenes. I don't care if people have these weird anal prolapsing and puking fetishes but they seem oblivious to how much it grosses everyone else out. Imagine if a scat fan had the same attitude. [Link]
Goldstein All-Star Member "You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10	Posted - Mar 4 2016 : 2:10PM ^ What if we combine scat and puking [Link]
Mister Fahrenheit All-Star Member Meh 4655 Posts 10/13	Posted - Mar 4 2016 : 2:21PM ^ You mean scuking? Been around for years. Frankly, I find it to be old-hat. Yawn. Scuking into a prolapsed anus and then intravenously injecting it into eyeballs is where it's at now. [Link]
Goldstein All-Star Member "You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10	Posted - Mar 4 2016 : 2:26PM I was trying to be funny. Why am I not surprised this is a niche, already [Link]

Mister Fahrenheit All-Star Member Meh 4655 Posts 10/13	Posted - Mar 4 2016 : 2:29PM I was trying to be funny too! Note the "" at the end. As far as I know said act does not exist. And if anyone does know that it exists, pleas don't disabuse of my naivete. [Link]
Ben Mockridge Deactivated User 382 Posts 9/15	Posted - Mar 4 2016 : 3:14PM BlackSix wrote: The hilarious thing is that if you read the puking saliva and Adriano threads the guys on there think that Adriano is going to lose a significant number of customers because he cuts the overt puking out of his scenes! They seem to have no inkling that he would lose WAY more customers if he didn't cut those scenes. I don't care if people have these weird anal prolapsing and puking fetishes but they seem oblivious to how much it grosses everyone else out. Imagine if a scat fan had the same attitude. Click to expand It seems to me that if your filming deepthroat blow jobs that lead to vomoting its a bit of a cop out to show the blow job but cut out the vomit. I rekon that people who like deepthroat realise and take on board the vomit as an inevitable consequence of the activity that they are choosing to watch. If you dont want vomit , dont film blow jobs that lead to vomiting. Re - your scat example - im not into anal but my impression from reading adt topics is that anal fans accept a bit of brown coloration as an occasional consequence of anal activity , some even seem to seek this kind of thing out. But if your filming activity that produces a certain result - wether that be vomit , brown or prolapse , filming the activity that produces the result and then cutting out the result seems like just denial of cause and effect. Woudnt you be better telling Adriano to stop filming activity that results in vomit ? [Link]
Mister Fahrenheit All-Star Member Meh 4655 Posts 10/13	Posted - Mar 4 2016 : 3:23PM ^ Porn isn't a documentary, it's a fantasy. Directors are under no obligation to include things that gross out their audience. One of my biggest gripes with Adriano, and quite a few other modern directors, is that they aren't more unsparing with their raw footage during the editing process. Trim it down to the hottest parts and leave the rest on the cutting room floor. A simple b/g scene that goes over 45 minutes (let alone an hour) is extreme self-indulgence. [Link]
Ben Mockridge Deactivated User 382 Posts 9/15	Posted - Mar 4 2016 : 3:43PM Ok so thats a fantasy where girls do deepthroat blow jobs and dont vomit. Other people prefer a more realistic documentary approach where actions have consequences and the consequences are showm and those consequences are part of the appeal. Hey different people like different things and thats just the way it is. Personally for me a chik hurling her guts up just confirms the authenticity of whats happening - i dont want it vanilla coated. Adriano is filming for his audience - presumably there are other directors who edit and cut to produce some fantasy vanilla coated porn where girls never puke and never leak from their baxcksides either so everyones happy. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Mar 4 2016 : 6:54PM You're assuming these vocal posters speak for the majority of fans, they most likely don't. I don't care if someone has a taste for something I don't like but the constant stream of delusional demands for what in reality is a minority niche taste is tiresome. Just because the dirty anal and puke obessives clog up a thread doesn't mean they are the majority of even Adriano fans. One would think looking at Mason's thread that the majority of her fans are really into the mass facial movies but as recently posted by the HardX rep the reality is that those films don't actually sell that well compared to everything else Mason puts out. I think a lot of porn fans are willing to put up with stuff they don't like in a scene because they dig a girl and there's always the FF button. Without FF a lot of directors would actually have to get their shit together but unfortunately it has led to a lot of laziness both in editing and content. I've watched sone Adriano scenes because the woman performing appealed to me, I particularly like his selection of women but he shoots so much it may just be that he shoots everyone. Either way, I wouldn't describe myself as a fan of either his shooting style or the lack of chemistry he gets in his scenes, nor am I a fan of his excesses like gaping, puking, goofy circus acts with cameras or butter. But I just skip or FF past those parts of the scene. I'm sure many, many of his viewers do the same. [Link]
Ben Mockridge Deactivated User 382 Posts 9/15	Posted - Mar 5 2016 : 5:08AM ^ This is the question should pornographers produce the product that they are driven to produce by their own sexual demons or should they produce a tailored product that appeals to as big an audience as possible. If what you say is true and most porn consumers favour (for want of a better term) fantasised vanilla porn - where girls deepthroat but never puke , do anal without ever leaking or prolapsing etc etc then pornography by numbers would produce such a product. I expect alot of this type porn exists so nobody is forced to watch vomit or prolapse porn. Personally i advocate adriano (et al) producing the product he chooses however bizaare that may be and people can choose to watch it or not as they see fit. People will gravitate to what appeals to them and the producers whos sexual hang-ups resonate with their own, Everyone has different tastes and the fact that different producers produce different type products is a good thing. Should Mike Adriano edit out all the vomiting against his own personal inclinations just to conform to some notion of pleasing the most people ?. I think not cos that way lies bland mediocrity. The producers who will be remebered will be the uncomrimising ones producing an authentic product like max hardcore, brandon irons adriano rodney moore etc etc [Link]
chessmaster Member 768 Posts 6/12	Posted - Mar 5 2016 : 7:05AM As long the puke and prolapsing and the like stay in gonzo or "extreme" porn I couldn't care less.I just think certain acts should be advertised as such so people know to avoid it. I don't quite understand the many fetishes on adt, many of which are gross, but as long as there's a market and producers willing to shoot it, more power to ya. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Mar 5 2016 : 7:19AM Pretty amusing to see porn that doesn't have puking or pro-lapsing defined as 'vanilla' or 'paint by numbers.' Adriano's videos are notable for their completely predictable set-ups and progression of acts and shots, they are definitively 'paint by numbers' outside of the occasional desperate circus act like cereal or gummy bears up a girls butt. I define imagination ('innovation' is a mirage) in porn in a broader way than mere circus acts. The likes of Costello, Prince, Colt and De Renzy make today's pornographers perversity seem half-hearted at best. But I would also put Manuel's vignettes in Evil Anal or Dana Vespoli's best work far above anything Adriano has ever done when it comes to imagination, not to mention heat. Hard to know if Adriano is 'driven' to shoot that stuff or if he does it because he thinks it will help him stand out. I suspect the latter. I hardly find any of the pornographers you mention particularly 'authentic' however shaky the very notion of authenticity in any art, particularly porn may be. Brandon was always a better performer than director imo, his best work was for Jake Malone, a director who I think truly explored the kinky and dark elements of sexuality in a much more successful way than the likes of Max Hardcore who I think was desperately exploiting the only niche left to him to keep in business. Rodney Moore's videos are the definition of lame and stunted porn for me. Only Ed Powers was more awful. Edited by - BlackSix on 3/5/2016 7:28:48 AM [Link]
Ben Mockridge Deactivated User 382 Posts 9/15	Posted - Mar 5 2016 : 8:13AM ^ Like i said before different generations see things differently. But aside from that i think you just have to accept that producers produce the product that they want to and that might not always be to your liking , thats just the way it is, no point arguing about it. [Link]
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BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Mar 5 2016 : 8:27AM Ben Mockridge wrote: ...no point arguing about it. Click to expand Except the whole point of this thread is to complain about what we don't like in porn. [Link]
Dread Senior Member Latex and boobs 5085 Posts 3/07	Posted - Mar 5 2016 : 9:21AM My favorite Adriano scenes are ones he's done for Bangbros. He has some HOT scenes with my favorites on there. maddy, Anikka, AJ (THOSE RED TIGHTS....) and Remy all have done top scenes for me with Adriano on there. His own prodcutions though? I find that stuff annoying and lame with all the circus acts. And this is coming from someone willing to watch Maddy do watersports in her scenes. ----Dread's Twitter---- [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Mar 5 2016 : 9:37AM The chances of someone being a GREAT performer and a GREAT director are slim. I know it has become the standard in the industry but it is one of the reason's so little modern porn is as well shot, edited and imaginative as it could be. No coincidence that many of the best directors, Mason and William H. are exclusively directors. John Leslie is the only one who I can think of who was GREAT at both performing and directing. Stagliano was a good performer but not great, whereas I think he really found his calling as a director. Joey Silvera may be another exception, I don't know if I would have called him a great performer but he is one of my favourites from the era and is definitely one of the best gonzo directors. His Kink is a masterpiece in a genre short on masterpieces. Rocco has a 'co-director' for his best film imo, Rocco's Way to Love. His work as a director after his initial creative burst (the work with Stagliano and early Animal Trainer series) has been uneven though. [Link]
Mister Fahrenheit All-Star Member Meh 4655 Posts 10/13	Posted - Mar 5 2016 : 12:59PM ^ What's interesting about the Mason and William H. examples is that they go against some of the conventional wisdom about the relationship between performing and directing. I can't remember whether it was Kevin Moore or Jonni Darkko, but I read an interview with one of them and they were talking about advice they got John Stagliano. He said that in order to be a good director in porn, a director needed at least some experience as a performer. If they didn't have that experience they would lack some crucial insight into how to elicit the best performances from their performers. But given how amazing Mason and William's films are, I wonder if their lack of experience as performers gives them some kind of objectivity? I know early in her career Mason was asked to perform on-camera and declined. It would be interesting to hear from her in an interview whether her lack of performance experience somehow informs her method. [Link]
mr wong Member 121 Posts 1/16	Posted - Mar 5 2016 : 2:28PM Probably already mentioned.... when the performers constantly looks at the director behind the camera for instructions. Kills the mood for me. [Link]
DiamondJackman Deactivated User Straight From My Brown Balls, Using Good Pussy 501 Posts 10/15	Posted - Mar 5 2016 : 4:11PM Chicks who make that really annoying slurpy-mouth washing sound when giving head. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Mar 5 2016 : 8:33PM Mister Fahrenheit wrote: I can't remember whether it was Kevin Moore or Jonni Darkko, but I read an interview with one of them and they were talking about advice they got John Stagliano. He said that in order to be a good director in porn, a director needed at least some experience as a performer. If they didn't have that experience they would lack some crucial insight into how to elicit the best performances from their performers. Click to expand That is conventional wisdom and no doubt has an element of common sense truth to it but the exceptions are so numerous. In mainstream film there are well known 'actor directors' who usually have acting and theatre experience in their background but then there are so many great directors who didn't as far as I know have any acting background (John Ford and Hitchcock spring to mind) who were still great directors. I'd also point out the porn directors who usually do their best work when they're not performing in a scene: I would include Stagliano, Jake Malone, Patrick Collins, David Aaron Clark and even JJ in that category. Manuel has also grown a lot as a director over the years and if you listen to his EA podcast he talked openly about Mason being an influence on him. [Link]
Mister Fahrenheit All-Star Member Meh 4655 Posts 10/13	Posted - Mar 5 2016 : 10:32PM ^ When you say EA podcast, do you mean Elegant Angel or Evil Angel? If it's the latter, got a link? [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Mar 5 2016 : 10:49PM Here it is from Elegant Angel's glory years. [Link]
Mister Fahrenheit All-Star Member Meh 4655 Posts 10/13	Posted - Mar 6 2016 : 12:28AM ^ Ah, yeah I figured it was probably the Elegant Angel one. I thought maybe he did one for Evil Angel that I hadn't heard. I'm a big Mason fan so I listened to all of those back in the day. It's something I wish HardX would do. They did one podcast for the release of Allie Haze's anal showcase but haven't followed it up with anymore. HardX's was actually an improvement over the old EA ones in my opinion. Sovereign Syre was a fantastic moderator. [Link]

Bimbalek Member 35 Posts 9/15	Posted - Mar 6 2016 : 3:09AM Women rimming men - disgusting. [Link]
DiamondJackman Deactivated User Straight From My Brown Balls, Using Good Pussy 501 Posts 10/15	Posted - Mar 6 2016 : 3:48AM ^Touche [Link]
chessmaster Member 768 Posts 6/12	Posted - Mar 6 2016 : 4:13AM Yeah rimming is disgusting. I find it disturbing that it's becoming more "mainstream". Edited by - Chessmaster on 3/6/2016 4:13:41 AM [Link]
Ben Mockridge Deactivated User 382 Posts 9/15	Posted - Mar 6 2016 : 4:13AM BlackSix wrote: I hardly find any of the pornographers you mention particularly 'authentic' however shaky the very notion of authenticity in any art, particularly porn may be. Rodney Moore's videos are the definition of lame and stunted porn for me. Click to expand BlackSix wrote: Ben Mockridge wrote: ...no point arguing about it. Click to expand Except the whole point of this thread is to complain about what we don't like in porn. Click to expand Well if this is the place to discuss it ; By authentic i mean pornographers shooting stuff that they genuinely feel passionate about - that isnt a guarantee of quality obviously but it ensures an appreciation of the subject in a way that a true enthusiast would treat the subject with rather than just a sterile by the numbers rendition. For example - a film about old trains filmed by a trainspotter is going to be him slobbering over every detail of the train - compared to a non - train enthusiast who would just point the camera at the train and say "yeh theres an old train over there" If your into natural looking hairy chiks or fat chicks then rodney moore is the master - technically excellent and breaths in every detail of the hairy and fat chiks - if thats not not your taste then obviously your wont like it. Obviously one mans lame is another mans great product becaause different people have different tastes. Ive not seen any Mason stuff but i am curious to know what in your opinion marks her work out as so good. Im open minded to considering any producer so she might be worth a look - but im not into the type of thing thats just trying to cramm as many dicks into the ass of a chik who either looks bored or in discomfort , which makes me hesitant about diving into new producers. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Mar 6 2016 : 5:31AM Mason's best work imo is Annette Schwarz is Slutwoman and Kristina Rose is Slutwoman or the g/g epic Celeste (I'll stop there and not mention her Buttwoman, Girl Crush, Massive Asses, Asa and Tori Black showcases). It isn't about DPs it is about the women performers and their pleasure being central to the scenes. In terms of Rodney, I'm very into big girls and bush and Rodney is still a non-starter for me. His scenes lack any chemistry and his jerk-to-finish facials are uninspired, to put it mildly. Eddie Powell's Big Girls are Sexy or Mason's Bush are both videos on the same subjects that are far, far better. Edited by - BlackSix on 3/6/2016 5:34:43 AM [Link]
Ben Mockridge Deactivated User 382 Posts 9/15	Posted - Mar 7 2016 : 1:08PM ^ I find the notion of chemistry in porn shaky. I mean im guessing that by chemistry you mean that the 2 paid sex performers are directed to perform in a way that conveys the impression that they are enjoying it. I dont discount the possibility that this might produce a good product and will have to check out your recommendations - but at the same time it dosnt preclude my personal liking for porn where the performers arnt directed in this way and you get a more real response from the girl who lets face it is there because she is being paid. In so far as Rodney Moore goes , he is an amiable pervert and i like the dynamic where we see how the girl responds naturally to him slobbering all over them. Here is Misti parks looking good naturedly bemused having survived a Rodney blast. For me Rodneys seems like quite an endearing pervert and most of the girls seem to respond warmly to him - but it is probably a different response from what your talking about in chemistry which is presumably loads of loving eye contact and orgasmic moaning and groaning which personally i find quite nauseating. I can appreciate that you dont like Rodneys finishes and you find the sex without chemistry (aka a guy paying a hooker for access to their body) unappealing and thats obviously your choice, but the lame tag basically translates as Rodney Moore dosnt conform with your personal preference - there is nothing objectively or qualitatively more lame in Rodney Moores product than anyone elses. Designating lameness on the basis of chemistry is a subjective classification and if everyone designates lameness according to subjective (personal) criteria then basically everyone would consider porn that dosnt conform with their own personal choice as lame. By that token someone who doesnt like "chemistry" sex could call Masons videos lame and you end up with people with diffent tastes just calling other types of porn lame in a meaningless way other than indicating that it isnt to their taste. Better just say it isnt to your taste. (yeh i know its just a word) [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Mar 7 2016 : 8:13PM That's a lot of writing to just say 'it's subjective.' No kidding. Everything is subjective, particularly in culture and art. Chemistry is simply believable pleasure between the performers. That is completely absent from Rodney's movies. Some raincoaters get off on uninvolved sex with ugly dudes. No arguing taste but I doubt the history of porn tells us that that taste is what appeals to the majority of viewers. There's a reason John Leslie and Rocco are legends and Rodney and Ed Powers are not. [Link]
Ben Mockridge Deactivated User 382 Posts 9/15	Posted - Mar 8 2016 : 6:51AM ^ Ok so subjectively Masons work is lame and so is Rodney Moores depending on the individuals personal opinion. I usually think of "raincoaters" as a term used by anti-porn crusaders to denigrate people jacking off to porn so its amusing to see you hone the term to only apply to guys that watch porn that you dont like. So arnt you jacking off to mason porn ? I presumed everyone was jacking off. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Mar 8 2016 : 7:57AM Raincoaters is a just an older term for fans of porn. Think I picked it up from Landis' Sleazoid express. [Link]
Mister Fahrenheit All-Star Member Meh 4655 Posts 10/13	Posted - Mar 8 2016 : 9:35AM ^ Yeah, I've never seen the term "raincoaters" used as a pejorative to denigrate porn fans. If anything it's an insider term and a badge of honor. [Link]
Ben Mockridge Deactivated User 382 Posts 9/15	Posted - Mar 8 2016 : 12:04PM ^^ Ok. So it would be just as applicable to say that some raincoaters get off on watching Mason porn, aka we're all raincoaters jacking off to the porn of our choice - thats ok then. Personally i woudnt call Rodney ugly . No arguing taste but I doubt Rodney Moore has remained in business for 25 years and been elected to the AVN hall of fame through not appealing to viewers. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Mar 8 2016 : 2:31PM Mister Fahrenheit wrote: ^ Yeah, I've never seen the term "raincoaters" used as a pejorative to denigrate porn fans. If anything it's an insider term and a badge of honor. Click to expand It is definitely an insider term but I have most commonly seen it used to refer to porn fans who are interested in the sex. So a porn reviewer might describe a film as suitable for the raincoat crowd, meaning the film would satisfy smut hounds seeking out sleaze not fancy stuff. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Mar 9 2016 : 3:48AM Ben Mockridge wrote: Personally i woudnt call Rodney ugly . No arguing taste but I doubt Rodney Moore has remained in business for 25 years and been elected to the AVN hall of fame through not appealing to viewers. Click to expand Come on. There's a reason he keeps his face off camera 90 percent of the time, I'm sure he's under no illusions about his looks. Be honest, if you were a woman would you want to fuck this guy? As usual Skronker nails it on the bad old days of Powers/Randy West and Rodney. And the AVN Hall of Fame? Who takes that seriously? It includes such class acts as Max Hardcore, Rob Black and Marc Wallice! Putting people like Anthony Spinelli in with that crowd is more of an insult than an honour. BTW no Reuben Sturman listed in the Founders, wtf? And yeah, I always associated the term 'raincoater' with the hardcore porn watchers with a taste for the kinkiest stuff. Plus I used the term 'some raincoaters' so I was hardly painting with a broad brush. Edited by - BlackSix on 3/9/2016 4:09:06 AM [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Mar 9 2016 : 6:34PM BlackSix wrote: BTW no Reuben Sturman listed in the Founders, wtf? Click to expand Uh, yeah. That's definitely a wtf. [Link]
Ben Mockridge Deactivated User 382 Posts 9/15	Posted - Mar 10 2016 : 5:40AM ^^ If i was a woman i cant say id definitely fuck Rodney cos that depends on a range of factors but i would say that his looks woudnt be a detering factor , so everything else being favourably aligned yes id fuck Rodney. I tend to agree with Goregirl that raincoater approximates to sleazehound. However you may try and disguise it it seems to me that your intention was to insinuate that Rodney Moore fans are sleazehounds - which seems rather gratuitous and unnecessary to me. The offensiveness of being called a sleazehound obviously depends on the context and the intent - here the context was to denigrate Rodney Moore and those who like him so i infer your intention was not complimentary. Anyway i guess some jerkwads (broad brush) just feel the need to claim some superiority over other porn fans but at the end of the day all it amounts to is one guy jacking off calling other guys jacking off sleazy so its ridiculous - but if characterising other porn fans as sleazy makes you feel superior knock yourself out. At least im presuming guys who watch fancy porn still jack off. Let he who is without cumm on their hands cast the first accusation of sleaziness. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Mar 10 2016 : 6:45AM ^ You are certainly projecting a lot into one word that I use pretty often in a variety of ways. Sorry if I hurt your feelings Ben but your passive aggressive insults aren't welcome. Edited by - BlackSix on 3/10/2016 6:52:31 AM [Link]