^ To: Gore Gore Girl Sorry about that. It was not meant to bum you out but sadly truth is truth. After following some of these girls, it seemed to me that there was some kind of standard "playbook" that they all used to give the impression that they're sort of "just one of the guys" if you get my meaning. Like "Here I am at the gym, the hairdressers, having lunch, playing with my dog, here's a picture of me on my morning hike up the trail." Of course once we get to the top of the trail I'll pull down my tights and show you my ass. Does it dawn on anyone that someone is taking that picture, like a BF or GF maybe? And of course, "Hey guys, my B-Day's coming up check out my AWL ha ha!!" Bottom line, the real "stars" skip the phony narrative and focus on the reason their online, advancing their careers and making money. They may share a few of their activities but mostly it's posts about their latest scenes, upcoming appearances, or other business related activities. There was a post some time ago from RobFTV about these "wish lists" and how the girl sits in her apartment with her BF/GF or her sugardaddy's place and they laugh about all the suckers out there buying her stuff hoping for a "like" or a maybe an actual "thank you." The real "stars" like Jenna, Katie, Nina, Tory and all, focused on their work, and made no excuses for it.
None of what you wrote struck me as the truth. The only thing I found sad about the post was the implications of your complaints as far as judgment of sex workers is concerned.
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jzalski Deactivated User
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Posted - May 29 2016 : 2:30PM
^ To: Gore Gore Girl I wasn't implying anything at all. I was simply commenting on what appears to be standard practices amongst young porn "models" when utilizing their Facebook and Twitter pages. As Facebook is more restrictive, most really hardcore stuff appears on Twitter. For whatever the reasons may be that these women have chosen this line of work, in the end it's a full time job. Women like Veronica Rodriguez for example get this and explore every avenue of revenue generation. Most girls have a life span of maybe five years before they leave the business, and most often the reasons aren't pleasant. I was not being judgemental or critical, simply relating what I and others have seen. What do I care where a girl gets her hair done, where she has lunch or what mall she hangs out in, or gets her dog groomed. I'm interested in the fantasy. Frankly, if she's having personal issues or other depressing matters, maybe she should just shut the site down and deal with those things. Isn't a person's health and welfare more important that the number of "Followers" one has? What are the chances that I'll ever actually ever meet this person or personally interact with her....none. I suggest you may want to watch the TV show "Catfish The TV Show" and see first hand how some people are manipulated and hurt by these internet "Catfish" IMO. the porn models that are successful pla it straight with their fans and don't treat them like suckers.
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Posted - May 30 2016 : 7:16AM
^ Sharing inane personal details is common in social media, in fact it makes up the majority of it. So that is hardly limited to porn star FB posts and Twitter.
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Posted - May 30 2016 : 7:40AM
^ To: Black Six Yeah, I guess you're right. That's the fun part. When it's used to hustle, manipulate, and so on; that's when I have a problem.
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Posted - May 30 2016 : 8:51AM
^ I would like to add this as well. Way back before the internet being a fan was a little different. Over 20 years ago I went to an X-rated theater because a porn star Amber Lynn was going to be there signing pictures and they were showing a couple of her movies. We went, bought a ticket and then met Amber paid her $10 and got a personalized photo. Later I found out that a few guys paid $200 and got some "alone time" with her in the manager's office. Back then this was a really rare opportunity as these girls usually went to the larger cities. Today, some girls do feature dancing like Veronica Rodriguez who came up here to CT two weeks ago for two nights and my friend went and said she was fantastic, and really treated her fans graciously and signed photos and of course made a bundle, a real revenue generator and a way to build a big fan base. There are some girls who haven't actually done any porn related work in a long time, like shooting scenes, dancing, and attending conventions, etc. Some may "escort" but keep it so on the down low that it's almost impossible to find out when and where, yet they seem to have a large base of loyal fans, who can be very defensive on Twitter if someone criticizes or Tweets something bad about their "star." They start to think they actually know this person and some feel they've developed a relationship with them, that's scary. Some of these girls are very good at using this to their advantage using many of the social media sites for gifts. I guess if you perform a masterbation scene and sell it on Snapchat, that's sort of porn? So what's my point? I met Derek Jeter once at a Yankee game in the Bronx, I shook his hand and got an signed picture. Does that mean I know Derek Jeter, or his life and other personal things; I think not. If you're going to be a porn star, be like Veronica Rodriguez and get out there and do the work. Don't hide behind Facebook or Twitter posting seductive BS one minute and being the "girl next door" the next. Be upfront about what you do and how you make your living. If you want attention and validation, there are better ways of doing it.
^I see some porn stars begging for money on the internet. I checked out one pornstar's twitter account based on a recent post about her here and she is begging fans to send her money using venmo. I hate the amazon wish list and stuff similar to this. These girls make $1000 per scene and can make $10K plus per month if they are popular, yet you are asking fans to buy you stuff and give you money??
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Posted - May 30 2016 : 9:11AM
^ Meh on the Amazon wishlists. Johns buying gifts for sex workers has been going on forever, why is this any different? I actually like to look over them because it gives you an idea of what they're really into. Usually it is pretty boring and predicable stuff, lol.
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Posted - May 30 2016 : 9:30AM
^ Since I mentioned her in an earlier post I thought I'd paste this on here. IMO, this is a PORN STAR!!! In addition, I would suggest anyone who may be interested to read Jenna Jameson's autobiography. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Lynn
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Posted - May 30 2016 : 9:57AM
^ To: fanofman I think I saw that girl on Twitter asking for money for help with a medical problem, She needed $20K and had collected about $640. The photos she showed were pretty graphic. The problem with that $1000 per scene, which in some cases may be more is a "one and done" deal. They are contract workers and are simply handed a check, with no deductions taken, and of course their agent gets his 10-15% if they have an agent, lodging, meals, and air fare if they have to travel back home. Then of course there are the porn star basics, clothes, jewelry, car leases, and weed. Some have boyfriends or sugar-daddy's but they come and go. Some wind up in a small hotel studio apt. with a small kitchen and a pullout sofa bed. Like the song says, "Riding high in April, shot down in May." Even if they "escort" say in Vegas, the agency takes a cut and they still have to pay their own expenses, of course "trolling" the casinos is not "escorting" it's plain old fashioned "hooking." To: BlackSix I don't know what "Meh" means. An AWL is simply that, a "wish list." You're right, one minute it's an electric dildo for $27.95, then a lighted make-up mirror for $399.00. I can't believe some guy would spend $399.00 buying a stranger a mirror, hoping for a "like" or maybe a private DM saying thank you, but hey, that's just me. My neighbors son had a crush on a young "model" and she was into horses as was he. He sent her a pair a riding pants for $90, and after they were delivered waited two weeks to get "spoiled." When he Tweeted her and asked about them, she BLOCKED him. There's another girl out there who was a "softcore" model and then dropped out for years. She is now on Twitter. If you send her a $25 AGC, she will DM you and thanks you personally and makes you feel really good about it. If some girl has money to lease a Mercedes SUV, she can buy her own damn mirror.
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Posted - May 31 2016 : 10:30AM
^ Hi, After thinking about this comment, I wanted to add something. "John's" giving "sex workers" gifts is absolutely correct. When I was overseas during my career I always made it a point to give a gift to a special girl above and beyond her usual fee. There were items that were unavailable "downtown" that made wonderful gifts. many times if the girl's parent(s) were around, a little something for them was a great way to make a friend. These gifts were given in person, where you could actually see, touch, and talk to the person, not some sterile "tweet" or a DM after being allowed into the special world of being "followed" by your "porn crush." Sometimes being "followed" by her makes you even more susceptible to the hustle, because now you feel like you're in the "inner circle" Like I said, if she can afford a lease on an Mercedes SUV she can buy her own dildo's and stuff for her dog. Now if she invited me to join her for lunch in a very public place, I'd pay for the airfare and the lunch as well. :-)
I absolutely hate fake ass implants. I also dislike it so much when a female performer who already has amazing natural tits goes and ruins herself with breast implants. Same with any surgery that destroys beautiful natural looks. [mod edit: comment removed. See the ADT forum etiquette, 3rd paragraph.] Hairy bushes are also a bit of a turn off. Edited by - killbillvol69 on 5/31/2016 11:22:51 PM
Right now the most annoying thing in porn is the legitimacy double standard of the industry. We had the Pay For Your Porn campaign and all the awareness that goes along with it but companies still seem to be pulling shady stuff as a matter of business. Here's what I mean: - Pre-checked cross sales > Please, we are trying to give you our money! Why do you need to rip-off those who are willing to support you? Is it really worth squeezing a few more bucks out of someone who isn't willing to complain or talk to their credit card company? Amazon is a legitimate business because they DON'T sneak stuff into your cart in hopes that you'll check-out without noticing it. If you want to be considered a legitimate business you have to cut this stuff out. - Credit card fraud > Security should be a huge deal especially after the Ashley Madison hack. Why is this still a problem? - Erratic update schedules and BTS substitutions > What other business does this? If you paid for a month or a year you should be getting that number of updates based on a number or time frame that is presented up front. There should be a distinction too for BTS scenes as updates. I like BTS and I think it's an interesting look at that world but come on... no one is paying their money so they can watch this exclusively. If you start substituting scenes with BTS you are either watering down your content for the sake of getting another membership out of someone or are late on delivering new content. Both of these actions is anti-consumer and should not continue. I realize it's tough right now with piracy and all that but don't ripoff your fans. In short, if the industry wants legitimacy it has to earn it.
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jzalski Deactivated User
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Posted - May 31 2016 : 8:25PM
^ To: Soundman I agree 100%. I remember in Jenna's book how she was convinced to get breast implants when she knew her breasts were OK as is, The "doctor" did a terrible job and although it seemed that the fans didn't notice, but she did and several years later had them fixed. [mod edit: no need to bring up a specific performer here] Seems the really successful girls understand the importance of maintaining good health and fitness. It's easy to succumb to the booze, drugs, and other bad behaviors that can destroy those good looks quickly. I agree that sometimes girls make cosmetic changes, even a change in hair color can be a disaster. Seems the real successful girls found a look and stayed with it
Edited by - killbillvol69 on 5/31/2016 11:24:12 PM
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Posted - May 31 2016 : 11:16PM
Condoms Fake Boobs Blowjob Boots Squirting Excess of tattoos College costumes Flat shoes Gangbangs Reverse Gangbangs!!! More than one girl with guys More than two only girls Hairy pussy
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jzalski Deactivated User
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Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 5:29AM
To: killbill69 I'm curious as to why my comment was edited by you? Other members have mentioned by name specific performers as did I in my post. Why was that particular performers name edited out? There was nothing mean or disrespectful, just relating a story pertinent to a previous comment.
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Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User
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Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 5:34AM
If people were willing to buy you gifts, would you refuse them? The ladies have Amazon lists because they work. It doesn't matter how much you make, if you can get stuff for free, most people will take it. Even the highest money making porn women in the world have amazon wish lists.
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Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 6:59AM
^ To: Canadian_Cindy With all due respect, I get that you are supportive of these "performers" getting all they can get whenever they can get it. My comments on gifts is in my previous post. If some guy wants to give some "stranger" he believes he has a connection with on Twitter or other social media, and be "spoiled" (whatever the heck that means), or get a "like" or a "poke" or maybe even a personal DM (Whoopee!) that fine. The AWL is just that a wish list, I have a bigger problem with Snapchat where a girl sells access to her Snapchat for sometimes as much as $75, for what, a compilation of 20 second video clips that go "poof" in 24 hours. That CC is a giant rip-off. The really successful performers allow access to Snapchat for free if you purchase a membership to their sites, many also don't bother with the AWL, they don't need it. One guy a while back Tweeted a girl and asked about when he was going to get her Snapchat access as he had sent her the money. She gave him a snotty reply like, "My guess is you sent the wrong amount so I deleted it." Yeah right, she "deleted" it my butt! I repeat, if she has the money to lease a Mercedes SUV, she can buy her own dildo's or $400 lighted make-up mirror. Or she can get back to shooting scenes, dancing, etc. and being a real porn star.
^^No, if I was making $1K per day for 2 hours of "work" would I ask some guy (most likely making significantly less than me) for money or gifts for my personal use. What "star" in any other industry asks for personal gifts? They ask people to donate to their charities not buy them underwear so they can wear on a shoot and then turn around and sell it on ebay.
^ Do you really think porn stars make 1k a day every day and they only do two hours of work in that day? You're very much mistaken. These performers don't get royalties, don't get retirement plans, they don't get healthcare paid for, they don't have their screening paid for, and many of them have to bring their own outfits, which they have to pay for. They have to stay in shape, and do all manner of other preparatory things to put in a good scene. They then have to deal with social stigma for the rest of their lives. I am 100% in support of their Amazon wishlists. They earned those gifts. How they handle rewards and the way in which they behave is a different issue. If you think they're rude, stop following them and reading their social media. It's simple. But don't begrudge them the additional tangible income that many fans are apparently more than willing to provide.
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Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 12:12PM
I hate it when some guy is on some director or video producers thread requesting some unattractive woman be filmed next. I don't mean to insult anyone, seriously. But somehow I suspect the people who like shaved heads, smelling feet, lots o tats fat women and hairy bush are the same people and a minority of porn watchers.
^ Speaking of that. I personally don't really mind how she looks as long as her scene was hot. What I have a problem with is women who get into the industry and thinks just because they have a pretty face and a hot body that give them an excuse to be a lazy ass in a scene. Nothing pisses me off more in a scene than a woman who is just there and wants the guy to do all the work.
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Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 1:22PM
Bingo. Thanks for pointing all that out.
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Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 1:45PM
^ To" Gore Gore Girl Can I get a big Boo Hoo!!! It probably takes a young woman even with half a brain to figure out after a couple of months to realize everything you described. Yet they stay on for any number of reasons. I would suggest reading Jenna Jameson's autobiography, it addresses it all. I had the occasion to read one girls FTV Bio some time ago and it spoke volumes about how after a few months she "got tired of porn" and went home. After a few weeks she got tired of the "finger pointing and snickering" and decided to return to AZ, and from there it was "balls to the wall." IMO, what happened was that even with her limited life experience, her brain was sending her a signal telling her that maybe it was time to quit, but the lure of all that attention, celebrity, quick money and so on was too much to resist. These "actors" are not the only people in today's competitive world who have to pay their own expenses, healthcare, clothing, and the rest, all these things are also considered deductions when filing your income taxes. I've often wondered how many of these women even file their income taxes? Believe me it'll take more than a "amazing, mind-blowing" blowjob to get the IRS off your ass. taking advantage As far as the "stigma" I'm sure those same people who were "pointing fingers" 4-5 years ago, are now a little older and have grown up a bit. "People who live in glass houses....." I like people like Veronica Rodriguez and Teal Conrad for example who let their work speak for them, and are upfront with their fans. When VR feature dances like she did in CT a few weeks ago, and people bought autographed pics, or paid to have their photo taken with her, or "tipped" her, she earned that money up front. Not like some "hustler" sitting in her BF's condo or in some hotel room, playing the "poor me" one minute and then the "girl of the year" the next taking advantage of vulnerable guys. Don't worry GGG those girls are off my radar and have been BLOCKED!!
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^ Yeah, he's a real drag. I have no idea why people watch porn, let alone participate on a porn forum, when they obviously have such a low view of sex workers. Talk about "boo hoo"......
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Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 2:14PM
^ What gets me isn't so much his opinions on the matter, but the fact that he's repeatedly gone on this rant-first on Kennedy Leigh's old Star Crossed thread (Kennedy Leigh - - pretty blonde), and now here. I mean, we get it, grandpa-you've been burned by girls after buying them stuff and you're mad about it. Get over it.
MOD: Okay jzalski, time to let it go. You are incessantly harping on an issue and subject at this point.
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jzalski Deactivated User
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Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 2:57PM
^ OK, for the last time. 1. I do not have a low opinion of "sex workers." I have a low opinion of hustlers, cheats, and people who take advantage of others and then hide out in social media. 2. I've obviously complimented actors by name, who I thought deserved credit for their honesty and respect for their fans. 3. As far as rants go, I've read some pretty obnoxious stuff on this site, and accepted it as a person's right to free speech. 4. I have never once, not once, bought any girl a Goddamned thing off an AWL or any other list. 5. Yes, I am a Grandpa, so what. I'm proud of it. How many of you are Grandpa's or just unemployed and have the time to hang out on these sites? I earned my pensions! 6. Obviously, you dipsticks only read what you want, the topic was "things you hate about porn?" 7. To paraphrase one of you, if you don't like what I write don't read it. 8. As far as my comments on another topic regarding a particular person, I've made it clear that I follow girls on Twitter that are fun and interact with their fans, when they become boring or depressing, and I start to feel like I'm riding a roller coaster, I simply "UNFOLLOW" them. 9. If a person feels that their job is becoming too much to handle and causing them excessive grief and maybe even health or mental issues, maybe they should quit before it's too late. There are hundreds of other girls who can suck, fuck, and make a buck as good as you do. Y'all have a nice day. PS: If my comments really upset you, report me and have me shut off.
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jzalski Deactivated User
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Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 2:59PM
I have a great idea, shut me off. So much for free speech.
This is a privately run forum so freedom of speech does not apply here. When you signed up to this site you agreed to follow the house rules. It kills me how when someone comes on this site, think they can comment whatever the fuck they want, and start to cry out they have "freedom of speech" that they clearly have no concept of when they get into trouble.
^ True, but I do personally treat this particular thread in a pretty hands off way. So much of the stuff that gets posted in it drives me up the wall or I find dumb, but it's all about personal preference so I don't really push back on it too much. I'd rather have someone going off in the dedicated hate thread about how much they irrationally dislike something than see them bring it up across the forum over and over again. Obviously people need to still adhere to forum etiquette, but when someone says something dumb here I generally just leave it be instead of trying to debate them. Otherwise this would be a full-time debate thread instead of a venting thread.
^ Yea. It's one thing to state your opinion but its another thing to ask for your deactivation prior to this. If this is a cry for him to be deactivated please grant him his wish. Never the less I digress. I don't know if I mentioned this before but I hate a cameraman who constantly fucks up a camera angle and shows me shit I don't need to see. Not going to point them out but there is a certain site that every time the two performers do missionary the cameraman has an unhealthy obsession with shooting right up the guys asshole or having the guys ass mostly in the shot. And when he isn't shooting the guys asshole or hole ass he has the shot focused mostly on the guys face. Edited by - DannyManKing55 on 6/1/2016 3:49:45 PM
MOD: jzalski, since you continued harping on a subject in the very next post after you were asked not to, called those who don't agree with you dipsticks (another etiquette violation), ranted about your first amendment rights (another item in the etiquette), and from what I can see asked to be deactivated twice, your wish is granted.
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A-ten Deactivated User
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Posted - Jun 2 2016 : 12:21AM
Plastic Surgery. The only pornstar that looked just as good as before after plastic surgery was Valentina Nappi. Otherwise, I don't like the fake breasts, swollen lips, and unnatural faces and bodies caused by plastic surgery. It would be like taking a beautiful flower and remaking with plastic petals and chemicals. It's generally ruined, not preserved. Excessive gaping. The Mike Adriano saliva-speculum gaping is gross. Beating, choking, and spitting. I know it's a fetish for some. I tried this with a girlfriend and I don't enjoy it. I like intense sex, not violent or controlling sex. There's nothing sexy about mistreating a woman for me. I much prefer enjoying them with mutual intensity than treating a woman like some focus for violent impulses. Triple anal. So few girls can make it look enjoyable. Timea Bella is one of the only girls that make it look like she really enjoys being stretched by multiple cocks in her ass. The lack of East African women. Someone needs to start recruiting Ethiopian, Eritrean, and Somali women into porn, especially Ethiopian. Ethiopia has some seriously hot women. Edited by - A-ten on 6/2/2016 12:23:01 AM
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Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User
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Posted - Jun 2 2016 : 12:35AM
You may want to study the culture over there before thinking porn recruiters should be running around one of their cities offering porn jobs (they may not live to actually film the porn or their recruited girls may not live). If you are going to say "Oh, I meant those living in the USA'... well, again, study the culture... it is a major destruction for people from those cultures for a girl to get into porn . Far far more serious than a white girl from Alabama pissing off her parents for a few years. Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 6/2/2016 12:37:48 AM
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Posted - Jun 3 2016 : 1:04AM
They speak English in what? ;) Was my bad, neglected to bold the bit I meant, I meant..and yeah you said right there above it, the closeups. Cool, neither am I obviously, been told that to my face.
Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09
Posted - Jun 3 2016 : 1:21AM
This pisses me off the most, it is just plain absurd, to complain about getting ripped off by piracy and then rip you off when you join using some of the oldest internet scams around, the kind of shit I got stung by on my very first trial membership, over 20 years ago!
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Jun 3 2016 : 6:16AM
^ Apparently some tweaks to her nose, lips and perhaps chin.
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Posted - Jun 3 2016 : 10:27PM
Fake Cumshot!!! As the latest simplyanal scene (Blanche). Hey guy, if you cant cum porn is not your business!! Edited by - biteriga on 6/3/2016 10:29:06 PM
I'm firmly in the passion/erotica/glam-porn camp (James Avalon is my favorite director) and generally don't get off on degradation, although I'll make exceptions for some girl-on-girl bondage scenes. Some things that bother me: Girls who don't use their tongue when they kiss Girls getting slapped around by guys Girls getting throat-fucked til they gag Girls getting their eyes sprayed with jizz Girls who are exceptionally limber assuming unnatural positions just because they can (e.g. Mia Malkova, Lucy Doll) Too much massage oil Too many tats (no issues with a few tasteful ones) Excessive makeup Bad boob jobs POV filmed with fish-eye lenses Crappy editing, especially long close-ups on penetration Robo-sex, meaning a mechanical progression through the usual positions to money shot with no semblance of passion (unfortunately for me I think the majority of porn falls into this category)
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Jun 5 2016 : 2:01PM
Robo-sex is a good term. Hate the puke thing in what should be a bj scene. It's a fetish some have sure but keep it to clearly labeled fetish scenes pls.
