Letsdoeit/A Girl Knows is interesting: judging by the website formatting, they have been taken over by Aylo (formally Mind Geek, owner of Brazzers, Sweetheart Video, Reality Kings, Twistys, etc.), and American women have completely taken over.

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The silhouettes are definitely good. But you know what's better? The ultra-grungy exterior shot of the building. It makes me think of movies about snipers (ha). The visual of the two beautiful women make them look even more gorgeous. The lingerie costume is also very sexy. They dance a bit together.

Camera magic: from one angle, there isn't much difference in height, from another, you can see how much taller Freya is! Anyway, like Miss Munchausen said, there's good breast play, but there's also outstanding deep kissing throughout the scene.

Then it's Vanna's oral. She licks Freya, then spreads her open and just sucks on that clit hard. Absolutely beautiful. Too bad this part is pretty short.

Then it's Freya's turn. Here the camera angle is not very good so we don't see much of the action, but we can sort of track its effects via Vanna's sexy facial expression.

Then Freya finger fucks Vanna and it's definitely the highlight of the scene. She uses two fingers to penetrate Vanna and the heel of her palm to rub her clit. Miss Munchausen mentions the squelching sound, and I can confirm. Another great thing about this position is here the two women can directly look into each other's eyes while fucking, and this intimacy is super hot.

Excellent face sitting follows. Vanna licks Freya deeply, and again focuses on the clit. Up to this point everything is just pretty much perfect (except the short duration of each section). Then they do some tribbing and I feel like they just never line up right. Perhaps it has something to do with the difference in height?

Then Vanna goes back to lick and sucking on Freya pussy, and then she adds two fingers in there. Freya may really have had an orgasm there. When Vanna pulls her fingers out, you can see they are soaking wet.

Freya goes behind Vanna and eats her pussy beautifully. This scene has two sex positions -- face-sitting and pussy eating from behind -- that often get messed up. Here the two superstar performers knock them out of the park. The scene ends with Freya rubbing Vanna's clit from behind. Interestingly, there's no penetration and it seems she does not rub very hard, but Vanna seems to have a very strong reaction all the same.

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As for 21Sextury's old lesbian scenes, they are all there on Adult Time. Unfortunately they have, for the most part, stopped producing European new lesbian scenes. I have made a post about that as part of my review of all Adult Time/Girlsway g/g content.

Viv Thomas is still going (the site, not the director), which continues to feature all European g/g content. There's a thread for that too. Another site that has this sort of content is Sex Art (this is the thread), though they are featuring more American talents recently.

I don't know much about Clea Gaultier or Alyssia Kent, but Maria Rya aka Malena Maria Rya did do a scene on Slayed with Little Caprice, which in my opinion was just terrible. At the time I posted that brief review (July last year), it was the worst rated scene on that site. Now, out of 136 total scenes, it's ranked 125th.

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Anyway, based on my understanding, the movie "Crash Pad" which was directed by Shine Louise Houston and came out in 2012, is considered one of the most well known examples of this. Here's the blurb from the movie itself:

"The premise is simple: there's a secret apartment in San Francisco, and if you're lucky enough to be given the key, you can let yourself in. and let yourself go. Real sex, real orgasms, real sweat, real bodily fluids, real laughter - this is the genuine article, so utterly natural that the fact it's being filmed seems nearly incidental. "

You can watch a preview of it here.

Later "Crash Pad" became a series, which can be found here.

If you want to be charitable and take it at face value, this is about real, authentic sexual pleasure by real lesbians, made for actual lesbians, as opposed to the fake pleasures from from fake lesbians produced by mainstream lesbian porn, which is made for profit.

If you want to be uncharitable and treat all the talk about realness as just marketing, then this is just dirt-cheap productions featuring lowly paid amateurs, also made for profit, only targeting a much smaller and niche market.

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It's 98% nonsense.

To find lesbian porn for women into women, the current method is to go to the tube sites and search "amateur lesbian" "homemade lesbian" "lesbian couple" or similar. The older the clip, the more serious and less caricaturized/pants-on-head dumb the sex will be.

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I don't think JPB was really able to actually showcase it's full vision, cause alot of the girls on there were going for an ambiguous look, keeping kempt/clean shaven, but dressing like a teenage boy.

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Like...that's not bi, that's wanting attention/wanting the casting lmao. Sometimes I miss when words were meant to have definitions lol

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BellesaPlus.com new GG release. Nice couple. Looking foward for reviews from the pros here !

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https://bellesaplus.co/videos/9402/the-girl-i-cant-have

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btw I keep seeing this "giorgione" as having posted the latest comment on this thread, but when I open the thread, there's nothing. Some troll/spam thingie?

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Edit:-BDT, could you change your settings to accept messages please?

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Some bits of Queer Crush is good, but mostly it is very, very phallus-centered (from this viewer's standpoint). I'm curious if the site is close to representative.

I need some lesbian couple friends that wouldn't absolutely be disgusted at my obnoxious and probably inane straight-male questions. However prurient, my interest is not completely unscientific lol

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1. The paying audience for mainstream lesbian porn is most likely majority men (based on a single, 8 year old interview).
2. But most who watch porn (lesbian or otherwise) do not pay. Those who don't pay outnumber those who do by a ratio of 100:1, if not a 1000:1. For example, the most viewed lesbian porn video on Pornhub, which is between August Ames and Abella Danger, has 75 million views, while that exact same video on Girlsway has 48,000 views from its paying subscribers.
3. Pornhub, being the most well known site for watching porn without paying, provide annual "Year In Review" reports, which provides the following.

3.1 . "Lesbian" is consistently one of the two most view categories on PH since 2015 for all audience (6 years at #1, 2 years at #2).
3.2. "Lesbian" is always the #1 most viewed category for women, but has never ranked higher than #4 for men (and that it did only once; mostly it's lower at 5th to 8th place).
3.3. Women have always been a minority of viewers on Porn Hub (they started at 23% in 2014, and has increased to a bit more than 36% in 2023).
3.4. The only way, it seems to me, for all three above things to be true is if the majority of lesbian porn viewers are women. At a minimum, they must be a very substantial minority.

To see details on the Pornhub stats, see my past posts here:

- When I initially brought up this topic
- A more detailed discussion, where I discussed a point of ambiguity in the data, and I also made a table summarizing the data up to 2022
- An updated discussion that includes the latest (2023) data

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aclayfan had also replied to your last linked post stating the same thing. There's no way to verify that 36% of viewers on PH are women. If by some miracle this was true it still does not mean those 36% of viewers are watching lesbian porn.

Worst-case scenario - those 36% of the audience claiming to be female are just males with a fake account. I mean the popular lesbian stuff on PH are pretty much all Girlsway or other Bree Mills adjacent stuff- the antithesis of lesbian erotica. That Abella-August scene is literally a meme, a teenage boy's wet dream of "lesbian-incest" themed porn. The fact this category even exists should tell you who the audience is.

Anytime I've come across these Girlsway or other Bree Mills adjacent scenes I've had a burning desire to gauge my eyes out immediately afterwards. I'm pretty confident that I share this sentiment with majority of women, unless we decided to give up all concepts of female bodily autonomy & minimal functioning of the female brain.

If a straight woman watches porn, rest assured it's not Brazzers or Girlsway. In fact most women prefer to watch B-G scenes where there's some emotional connection between the performers (Nica Noelle's stuff is an excellent example).

If we are talking gonzo than the more the number of men in the scene the more empowering the experience for the female viewer. Imagine being such an attractive woman that you are turning on 6-7 guys at the same time & they get so horny they are ready to share that woman, just so that they could get to be with her. This is a fantasy that all women have had at least once, & this is far more sexy than fantasizing about having sex with your stepsister under the dinner table while dad goes blind & deaf.

Regarding homosexual porn women prefer male homosexuality. And its not that hard to guess why. Men love to watch women together & so the reverse is true for women.

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In fact the Electra Rayne & Sinn Sage scene Electra Rayne's Queer Crush is one of the more documentary-esque lesbian scenes I've seen although I don't know if that was their intention. It includes toy usage, which is authentic to real life queer sex & they laugh, make jokes & talk throughout the scene.

PS- Sinn Sage's creator owned stuff is also great

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As for the figure of 36% Pornhub viewers being women, I think that's quite reasonable. Multiple very high quality social surveys have indicated that about 20-40% of American women watch porn at least occasionally, as I have discussed previously.

If you choose not to believe 10 years of consistent data from Pornhub's reports that:
- "Lesbian" is almost always the most reviewed category of porn overall;
- "Lesbian" is always the most viewed category of porn for women;
- "Lesbian" is generally ranked 5th - 8th place for men;

Well, that's up to you. I tend to think such a big company, with access to vast trove of user data (tracking cookies) and analytics software, know their audience quite well. "Males with fake account" makes no sense: pornhub doesn't need user-inputted account information to tell the gender of an viewer (that's what the data analytics is for), and in any event you don't need account to view videos on pornhub. Regardless, I have not seen any other data that point to the contrary.

As for the rest of your opinions, they are all quite reasonable, though I think the August/Abella scene has its merit -- the women are very pretty, the oral sex is very good, and there's nothing wrong with a bit of comic relief. However, I'm just going with the publicly available evidence. You are quite welcome to your personal opinions, but that's not evidence.

p.s.: on straight women's interest in lesbian sexuality, there's a very tangential piece of evidence, which is romance novel. I discussed it here (the mods took out the images I posted due to copyright concerns, but you can search for them yourself easily).

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Take a typical set of 100 pornhub video views. 36 views are women, apparently, and 64 are men, but we have no idea how those views are split, even if we say that "lesbian" was the most commonly occurring data point in those 36 views. For all we know, lesbian could be the mode in the women's data with 8 views, or less, or more. We just know it's the mode. And that says nothing of the men's data.

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Now is the 36% of PH users female in USA or worldwide? If it's worldwide & you think PH can track cookies & find out the gender of viewers from some Middle-Eastern or South-East Asian country (where the legality of porn itself is ambiguous at best) then you are going on a very long limb.

Also PH is the company which hosted illegal content for a very long time before purging them sometime around 2020 I think. So forgive me for being skeptical about the transparency of the reports of a tube-site which literally encourages piracy & used to distribute non-consensual (rape) content.

And herein lies the problem in your argument, there's no way to independently verify the "Analytics Report" of PornHub.
You are free to believe whatever you want but if you are going to accept that

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Please do not talk about pornstars, directors or producers as if they are not here. (Katsumi sums it up nicely.) We are lucky to have industry participants, and they are paying attention to your constructive criticism. Insults will get you nowhere and lead to the deactivation of your forum account.

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It starts with Izzy giving Zazie a shoulder massage on a couch. This proceeds to some very, very sexy foreplay. Izzy deeply kisses Zazie's neck, then massages and squeezes her boobs, then rubs her pussy. I know some viewers will be annoyed by the fact that Zazie is not naked, but for me there's something so hot about Izzy touching her all over while Zazie is still dressed.

They also kiss very nicely again and again. After kissing Izzy's breast, Zazie starts licking her pussy.

Her oral is just superbly sexy. At the end Izzy really seems to cum, as her whole neck and face turn red.

Then Izzy eats Zazie's pussy on a desk. She first licks her, then starts to suck on her clit super hard. I mean, look at those cheeks wow :)

The next two positions are really not good, with Zazie awkwardly licking Izzy from below, and a pretty bad tribbing. The 69 is pretty good, especially with Zazie licking Izzy's clit.

The last part is relatively relaxed, but still very sexy, with Izzy rubbing Zazie's pussy, caressing her breast, and deeply kissing her.

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I apologize if my logic is not as clear as possible. So let me lay it out step by step.

If the viewers of lesbian videos have a similar gender breakdown as all viewers (36% female vs 64% male), the ranking of "lesbian" for all viewers should be closer to the male (majority) preference than the female (minority) preference. 10 years of PH data tells us lesbian is the #1 ranked category for women, and has never ranked higher than #4 for men (and that it did just once). So the ranking for the combined total audience should be closer to #4 or #5 than #1. Yet in reality lesbian ranks much closer to #1 (it's #1 for all but two years, and #2 for those two years).

The logical conclusion, it seems to me, is that the gender breakdown for lesbian porn viewers is NOT the same as the gender breakdown for all viewers. Women must make up a significantly higher percentage than 36%. They likely make up a majority, or at least a very substantial minority.

If this is still not clear enough, let me use a politics analogy.

- Suppose in a city there are 2 political parties, X and Y, and Party X supporters make up 70% of all voters, and Party Y supporters make up 30% of all voters.

- Suppose we further know from polling that Party X supporters overwhelmingly want a new school, while Party Y supporters overwhelmingly don't.

- It's election day, and a proposal to build a new school is defeated.

- What is the logical conclusion? A disproportionate number of Party X supporters stayed at home and didn't vote. Or to put it another way: among the people who actually turned up to vote, there is a higher proportion of Party Y supporters than there are among all voters.

In case this is still not clear enough: X = Men, Y = Women, No School = Lesbian Porn

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Also in my lived experience as a woman & in all the conversations & social interactions that I've ever had with women my age & older where the topic of sex came up, very few (i can't give an exact percentage) have professed any interest in lesbian porn at all, even the lesbian & bi girls that I've interacted with had terrible experiences watching the exact porn that you think women are watching in droves (Girlsway/Adult Time). I have showed them some better porn & given them recommendations on companies & scenes & on one occasion I got a positive feedback.

Another point is that if there are so many women watching lesbian porn than it would make sense that at least 1 of them would end up on this thread. I mean this is the best Porn discussion forum still going strong so it is logical to expect one of those female viewers to have come across "All Things Lesbian" on AdultDVDForum. I read an article that said there were more than 30 billion visits on PH every year https://scottmax.com/pornhub-statistics/#Porn_Viewership_Statistics. If 36% of that viewership is female (which might be likely) & majority of them are consuming lesbian porn that would mean somewhere around 9-10 billion female views for lesbian porn. I don't even know how many actual viewers that would be but it's definitely a substantial amount. Where are these viewers? As far as I can see I'm the only female posting on this thread (I only started about a month ago). Doesn't it make sense that there would be at the minimum 1 female poster on this thread out of what I will conservatively estimate as 50 million regular female watchers of lesbian porn? Where are they?

See this delusion of thinking straight women are secretly fantasising about lesbian sex all the time is not just a problem with some posters here (yes a problem- where random men assume what women fantasise about & have the audacity to lecture other women about it) but with society as a whole. Cishet men will never be comfortable with gay porn or the existence of gay men to the level with which they are comfortable with the existence of the female gay population. They will even aggressively argue for it. It's mind-boggling the absurd mental gymnastics cishet men will go through to convince themselves that women are just dying to get with another woman & do the dirty deed. Can't y'all just let people be? What's with this creepy fascination for women's private lives & their sexualities ? How is this affecting your actual life? It's completely irrelevant but men will keep going on & on about how straight women actually don't exist & all women are secretly bisexual at the least.

I will repeat -
Straight women watching lesbian porn in such a disproportionate manner is akin to every male poster on this thread suddenly starting to watch male gay porn all the time & "secretly getting off to it" as someone put it before. If y'all actually are jerking off everyday to 2 or more dudes fucking each other then I'm ready to accept this hilarious claim that mainstream lesbian porn is consumed by straight women in a huge quantity.

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But again, let me guess, men register as women and go watch a ton of lesbian porn to fudge the numbers, right Miss Munchausen?

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It's honestly impressive how much you don't actually pay attention to what others say when ostensibly engaging in a conversation.

Or you can post a link to a pornhub video. Try it and see what happens.

The only piece of actual evidence you have cited is your personal interaction with your female acquaintances, who have not reported interest in lesbian porn. It is certainly evidence, but it's a very low quality form of evidence.

First, it's nothing more than personal testimonial. It's the same as a voter saying, "I'm sure candidate X will win the election. How do I know? Because I will vote for him, and all my friends and family say they will vote for him."

Also, I assume none of your acquaintances allowed you to install tracking software on their phone and computer that will show you what porn they watch? Pornhub, along with most websites, does this. They have actual data.

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This all stems from Miss Munchausen hating Girlsway porn. Therefore, all women hate Girlsway and lesbian porn in general. Quite a leap.

Hate to break it to her, but most of the porn I watch is lesbian, and I hate most of it, too. There's easy stuff for me to skip like the 69 position, and I'll skip the whole video if they partially leave their clothes on. The upcoming Ryan Keely/Penny Barber/Daisy Fuentes scene is an auto skip for me, even though Daisy is fucking hot.

It's also partly due to not having time to watch a full 48 minute scene, let alone thousands of them. I usually just skim through most videos, and if there's a part I like, I'll watch and take some screenshots. A Lacy Lennon/Jane Wilde onlyfans scene? Two pictures. A 54 minute Lauren Phillips FFM scene? Four pictures.

Most porn sucks in general.

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