I think for me its becoming a division between the fans who want to see the girls shoot mainstream and the girls who want to shoot for themselves because mainstream literally takes advantage of them. Not saying that all fans but most fans imo dont seem to understand the serious nature the industry. Girls arent truly getting out what they put in. Not just that but the abuse that comes along with it. How many male talent within the past year or so have we found out did some messed up things? How many male talents in general have done messed up things and the girls are speaking out. Not just male talents but directors and producers doing messed up things. Are we going to pretend that it didnt happen and continue to watch those mainstream scenes? Imo most girls that are focusing on their on platform and moving away from mainstream the main reason is because they dont like how the industry has treated them in some way shape or form or they consistently hear horror stories and it makes them sick to their stomach and I dont blame them. I strongly believe if the industry gets cleaned up maybe so many girls wont be leaving and doing their own thing.
Maybe OF isnt the answer for everyone and I cant pretend to know what the answer is. Ive experienced onlyfans, many vids, and modelhub. As I pointed out before, there are pros and cons to each site. There are pros and cons to signing up for a studio site. Ill also add that I hear these experiences with so many people about onlyfans and I keep thinking, who are yall subscribing to? Ive subscribed to plenty of girls on onlyfans and Im not experiencing anything close to what I keep reading about. I do think that since onlyfans is popular they need to have "rate my onlyfans" site. Someone I found out does a "rate my onlyfans" podcast called "I Hate Your Onlyfans" where he subs to different performers onlyfans and check it out and then give them a letter grade. Again I feel like there is way more hate for onlyfans than what it really should be. Its not perfect but its not the worst. There are alot of great things about it from my experience so thats why I ask again, who are yall subscribing to?
I follow some girls on OnlyFans. I have found every girl runs their page different. Some girls are only interested in the money. Other girls really connect with their fans. I've seen it go both ways. If you're not satisfied with a girl, you can just unsubscribe and move on
^Let's say for argument sake that you follow 5 girls on OF and each charges 5$ to join their OF account then that's a total of 25$ per month and let's say that your annual porn budget is 3000$. That means that on average you can spend as much as 57$ per month on porn and since you only spent 25$ then you still have 33$ available. The first problem I see with your logic is if none of the girls have a decent OF account then no matter if you unsubscribe the same day or a month later. You don't get your money back. Then there is the other significant problem associated with most OF accounts. Most girls charge extra for the really good stuff and that will quickly eat up your porn budget for the month and in some cases for multiple months. This you don't know when you sign up because it's the way OF is set-up and the way the girls want it to be.
My above example is not far fetch and the outcome for the industry as a whole is that people like you who invest their money on individual girls OF account don't have any to invest on the porn sites who need you to survive and over time that becomes a cascading problem for most girls with OF account because they need an healthy porn industry since they earn a percentage of their money from porn shoots but if the industry is unhealthy then that means less shoots for those girls and where are they going to get the money they need to pay the bills?
I was thinking of a way where both the fans and the girls can be happy. So maybe not with onlyfans but there could be a site where the fan can have either the option to rent and stream or buy and download to own. Like those sites that you can rent or own movies and scenes for studios except in this case it would be just with individual content creators. They can still charge a sub price and they can still charge their prices for pictures and do customs, live shows, and still chat with their fans but the video content can be rent to stream or buy to download and own.
One thing Im noticing alot more now is girls having a VIP onlyfans and a free onlyfans. The thing is the girls that at least Ive briefly sub to the free onlyfans arent as active putting up content to buy. Like I wouldnt mind paying a little bit more for content on the free onlyfans than if it was a little less on the VIP onlyfans considering Im paying monthly for the sub. Also alot of girls dont have a many vids and some who do arent active on there and their content isnt recent. Not to mention some girls content on many vids are way more expensive than it is on their onlyfans. Although in some cases its the other way around. Ive paid for content cheaper on many vids and saw the same content being expensive on the girl onlyfans page. I do appreciate though that there are some girls who give their fans multiple options to purchase their content and also make their content more affordable by having bundles, deals, and sales. And Ill say that if you are respectful and the girl know that you are very supportive that girl will work with you knowing that you want content you just dont have a ton of money. Ive experienced that first hand. Not all girls are just dead set for money and not caring about their fans.
^Do the girls that have a VIP OF account offer part or all of their content for the join price because if they don't then all they are doing is using a different marketing ploy to entice people to join their OF account.
The exact same could be said about guys who constantly go to a strip club because they like a specific girl or like that type of interaction. There are guys who blow hundreds of dollars at a club with each trip they make. Not saying this is a good thing but I just see it as male behavior. Some of the guys who spend big money on OF may have issues but I suspect the vast majority of them are just lonely or get an emotional boost from it in some way. If his spending isn't hurting his lifestyle or causing him to not be able to handle his responsibilities then it becomes a problem. If it makes him happy and he can afford it...no big deal. Maybe he's a sucker getting played but at some point hopefully he'll realize it and stop. Happens all the time. Part of being a human. We learn lessons. And as "unhealthy behavior" goes you need to consider where this conversation is taking place. If the average person came to this forum and read posts from many of the people here they'd be very quick to throw the "unhealthy behavior" about.
^^ There are those that do offer part or all of their content for the sub price. Off the top Alyssa Reece, Indica Flower, Gia Paige, Madison Ivy, Kuleana aka Violet Starr, and Aidra Fox does. What changes is when some crazy person go put content on a free tube site for others to steal. Then girls change. I believe Violet Myers used to offer her VIP onlyfans for one sub price but then changed it because of exactly that reason.
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Posted - Jun 7 2021 : 2:16PM
I have spent a lot on customs through MV, which I hate that I spent so much, but some girls do charge a lot, but $100 a min is mighty high. Depending what they will agree to do I'd maybe spend that on a VERY few girls. And to add insult to injury on expensive ones I bought is how rude the girl always is to me and unfair practices that she insists are fair. If someone is going to pay those high prices, they should be more polite with good customer service...
If onlyfans wasn't so ridiculous in not even letting you know WHAT content you will get for paying, then maybe I'd know who on there may be worth me subscribing to or getting a custom from. And a lot of girls just ignore potential customers if they ask if they even do custom work.
I priced some with Dakota Skye (even though many complain about her when it comes to customs) and ones from her that i wanted were going to be $1k-2k. I mean something would have to be mighty good for me to do that.
I laugh at all the guys blowing their hard earned cash on gifts from a pornstar's Amazon wish list too! At least when I buy my wife a gift, there's a chance I'm getting some anal action that night. LOL
I'd steer away from Dakota. I followed her briefly on Twitter and It was a constant excuse filled sob story on why she wasn't fulfilling her obligations. Sending her money would almost play into the old adage, "A fool and his money are soon parted."
Only fans isn't popular because people like it. Covid and piracy killed professional porn leaving Of as one of the few ways left to get new content. The fact that people are spending money on softcore pics and phone videos shot in portrait mode without having any idea what's being payed for (no previews) shows how desperate us perverts are. It's actually kind of sad.
I disagree, people got tired of getting shafted by mediocre footage, monotonous performances, high priced sub-par quality DVDs being belted out by these companies. Tubes just put the final nail in the coffin. OF has new content because it pays and the content isn't out there floating for free. Porn companies are still posting 5-10 previews on tube sites with the same performers while OF creators are posting 1 second clips on social media. OF gives the consumer what they want, cheap price and new fresh content. Creators are worldwide while companies use the same performers in porn valley. Why is a DVD with 480p video selling for $20-$40 in 2021? why are some paysites still charging $30 a month? The same problems that plagued porn buyers in the 90's with paysites are still happening but this time, the consumer has a choice.
Most of famous pornstars gone to OF and stopped shooting for porn industry. Some pornstars are making more money than work for blacked, bangbros, rk etc. What are u problem to undestand it? Who tell u that only big companies are able to do porn? Porn always change. Changed when Lansky came to industry, for example, and now changed bc OF. Now unkonwn ppl do amateur porn and make money. And their subscribers don't care if a scene is shot in front of the Eiffel Tower or in a beautiful beach. Phone vids, bad angles, terrible performers, some ppl don't mind about it. They just want to watch that fav girl get fucked.
Let's imagine a hot girl from your city. U follow her on IG and u find out she has OF. Won't u subscriber her page? Really?
Some ppl like professional porn like most of u. Some ppl like amateur porn. And some ppl don't mind.
Have you ever stopped thinking that now u can shoot your own content?
Why you ask? Well, at one point a fan will get tired of the repetitive content, IE a straight M/F scene, and want to see a wider range of acts, hence bigger companies.
I think a lot of you are missing the point and underestimate the amount of lonely guys there are seeking some sort of more personalized type of stuff. Despite the short ass videos with average quality and PPV content, a lot of guys still think its worth it. Mainly 2 Reasons: Simply having direct "connection" with a woman that they would otherwise think is out of their league is very valuable. You get to chat directly with the woman and request personalized videos and kinks.
Also, COVID has simply exacerbated the amount of lonely guys that seek this type of personal connection, OnlyFans fills that void for some of these guys. It will never be worth it in my opinion compared to going on a finding a woman yourself, but some people like it and its easy money for female content creators.
These performers should absolutely get paid. More power to them. Also to be fair there probably is a niche group of Onlyfan subscribers who actually love that site. If you watch the majority of your porn on your phone you might be in that group. If you don't really care about professional lighting, camera angles, frame sizes, bit rates and whatnot then Of's just might be your cup of tea. I know for a fact that a lot if not most of these girls hire companies or assistants to run their Of. So if you're happy with chatting back n forth with some dude pretending to be your porn girl then I'm happy for you.
@Snufish......My argument is that the majority of people who spend money there are only doing so temporarily. Piracy is just a part of the global cluster-fuck that was 2020-21 (the pandemic) resulting in major studios halting productions. I myself have paid for Of subscriptions, did some tipping and purchased a few videos as a thank you to some of my faves. This was to support the performers & not because I loved Of's non-transparent business model (because I don't). I just don't think it's sustainable in it's current form. You'll see when things get back to or close to normal.
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ao606 Deactivated User
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Posted - Jun 9 2021 : 12:20PM
I mean most phones these days record around the same bit rate as most of these Brazzers videos, and pretty much every girl I've followed on OnlyFans uploads in 1080p, altho some can be in 720p which is more due to backend uploading issues as I pointed out in my previous post. obv a phone recording will never have the same clarity and sharpness as a professional video camera.
Fair points on both sides. Personally, I'm somewhere in the middle. On one hand, I certainly don't think OF is the best thing to happen to adult content creators and always leads to amazing content, there are far too many examples I've seen of girls over-marketing their OF profiles, to the point that I can't even browse social media without getting some kind of spammy call-to-action.
On the other hand, it has given a lot of girls who are uncomfortable with "mainstream porn" (and how the format of it tends to often pigeonhole performers into certain stereotypes) and yet have amazing, creative, individualistic takes on adult content, have entered the fray. Some of my favourite content on OF is by girls who perform really high quality burlesque and erotica, and prior to OF and simiilar sites, I always had a tough time finding content I enjoyed.
OnlyFans is a good vehicle for "long tail" niche adult content, for sure, and in these niches, it's the idea and conceptualization that often counts more than the technical execution. You're absolutely correct in that the quality of some of the content (especially given that everyone has access to good cameras and lighting these days) isn't up to the mark, but I feel that will improve over time, since OF content is still in its "Wild West" phase.
I do know that a sub-section of OF subscribers get into it because of a sense of intimacy and closeness with their favourite performers...I can't comment on this, because that's never been my attitude regarding adult content. If it works for you and makes you happy, more power to you. I like to think of adult content as a digital speakeasy where I may occasionally indulge myself and have a great time, and have a fun chat with a girl who genuinely loves being an exhibitionist and lives the lifestyle. That's where my emotional investment in the content creators ends. But again, I don't see a problem with customers getting some emotional benefits out of it. Is there a dark side to it, where some creators sell their subscribers an illusion of closeness? Sure, but that's really nothing new; I've seen that dynamic in strip clubs for years before the internet even existed.
The one thing I don't like about OnlyFans is the fact that the platform doesn't really do any marketing for the creators, so many inexperienced content creators end up spamming social media with pathetically transparent calls to action. That really does annoy me.
I think this will not last. Most of the girls now, if they are treating it like a business, are not even interacting in the DMs other than a minimal shot here and there. They have assistants or some management company doing it (Riley Reid just opened up her own to do it for the girls). People will clue into this at some point, don't you think?
There are only so many "hey babe, I am thinking of you" before even a lonely fellow will realize is not the performer typing it out. Unless its a video call you buy or some custom video or a live stream the girl does, I think it is realistic to assume you are talking to an assistant or marketing agent the vast majority of the time with a known performer with a fanbase.
I have been told that most of them don't even do the "cock rate" thing (which is big money apparently) that guys feel is a way to be connected; their content manager does all those replies too.
^Riley Reid is starting a company that will manage the OF accounts of models/performers so basically that means that most of the men/and women she will represent don't care about interacting with their fans but still want them to fork over money to join their OF account.
New rules of OF means that only OF creators can appear in videos. So a lot of these Instagram models who do b/g videos will have to remove them if their partner is not also a creator on the platform.
^ That's not true. The new rules specifically stipulate that non-creators can appear in videos provided that the creator has photo ID and a release form from the non-creator.
You are correct on that. OF Managers have been around for a while and are mostly seedy rip off artists from what you hear. Riley will probably make a fortune with this business offering as so many girls will be more than happy to hand it over to her business; she has proven she knows how to make money on OF one way or another.
The personal interaction is what made it appealing; however, for "name" girls with a decent fanbase, you are not interacting with her at all unless you are paying for some sort of contact. Have to wonder when the OF gig will run its course.
At least with webcamming you know you are seeing and talking directly to the performer.
^I saw an article yesterday about a mainstream personality type and she was charging $25 for her OF. The only problem was that all of her photos were available for free on her IG.
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Posted - Jun 12 2021 : 6:47PM
yeah I know how she is. I have been watching her since before she was a porn star and her name was bitchassfuckingfuck. ps I am special because she unblocked me on twitter for free. hahaha. Now she charges a crazy amount of money to be unblocked.
I still feel like people are extra rude to her, but at the same time if she truly didn't get customs filled then i understand it. This one woman I have bought customs from literally took over a YEAR to do one of mine and she thinks that is acceptable.
edit: see... now I am mad at how people acted. I didn't realize she died. Them getting mad about not getting their stuff is one thing, but she was bullied about her addictions also. This sucks. I really liked her and she was nice to me (after she unblocked me. lol.).
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somenamehere Deactivated User
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Posted - Jun 12 2021 : 6:49PM
Btw, does anyone know of any American porn stars on OF who do the type of content I have mentioned liking? ie very extreme stuff without guys. huge toys, speculum fisting, etc... Not that I am likely to join even if so.... because of the whole not having downloads.
MOD: If you are going to accuse a performer of being a scam and ripping people off, you better have actual proof. Otherwise, it is slanderous and doesn't belong here.
MOD: If you are going to accuse a performer of being a scam and ripping people off, you better have actual proof. Otherwise, it is slanderous and doesn't belong here.
MOD: If you are going to accuse a performer of being a scam and ripping people off, you better have actual proof. Otherwise, it is slanderous and doesn't belong here.
Clearly you guys are not the target audience for OF, so why whine about it? It's like me complaining about the price of bridal dresses. Go buy and watch porn you like.
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Damone82 Deactivated User
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Posted - Jun 13 2021 : 4:45PM
Who's whining? It's a message board and people are talking about a subject - it's kind of the point of it's existence
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Posted - Jun 13 2021 : 5:17PM
MOD: Do not discuss ways to circumvent how a company as set up their website.
Maybe if the mainstream companies didn't fuck over the performers all the time then maybe all this bitching about Onlyfans wouldn't happen. Users on this site don't care though. If their favorite star isn't getting railed up the ass in closeup 4k UHD then the content is worthless and shouldn't exist in their eyes.
I was just talking about tools available in any modern day Internet browser, not sure if that's circumventing as this would be akin to downloading photos from Instagram, but I understand your point though.
In a way it's great knowing that there is a world of content out there, encompassing every kink known to man. Thousands upon thousands of videos for us all to enjoy.
It's just a shame that it is next to impossible to identify where the content that you want is because OnlyFans is unquestionably the most un-user friendly site ever created.
My hope is that a Manyvids/Onlyfans hybrid competitor that pays it's creators well rises up and takes over.
I think OF is a way to balance out the system. I mean for girls to stay popular, shooting mainstream porn is the way to go. Having an OF account just means that performers make extra money which they totally deserve.
I understand that there are many porn stars and piracy hit the industry hard. I still don't feel like the girls getting on average $1,000 a scene isn't a fair rate. The girl is the product and should be paid accordingly.
I personally haven't been an OF user as much but I have tried it out and the 2 girls I stay subscribed to are not professional open stsrs. They're average girls, not even knockouts in terms of looks but they offer something new. Average girls who are just absolute whores with strangers which, for me is a huge turn on.
My biggest gripes with onlyfans are:
1. You charge extra for full vids? I don't subscribe 2. Finding girls and what you're looking for is impossible because the interface sucks 3. There's no way of previewing content and you have to subscribe to see what's on offer, that's stupid 4. You really only find previews on Reddit where unknown OF girls advertise
This is just silly. A major point people are making is not that they don't want to buy the content, but that the OF website makes it impossible to know if what you are getting is going to be worth your money. The target audience of OF could be expanded to those of us who aren't willing to blind purchase random content, or who haven't got the time or energy to trawl through porn star twitter accounts in order to get an inkling of what's on offer.
It would be like going to a bridal dress shop only all of the dresses are boxed up, you aren't allowed to try them on or even open the packaging and the sizes aren't labelled. The bloke behind the checkout just tells you whats inside, only he's not actually in the shop, you have to message him on social media and he doesn't always tell the truth and often he will just ignore you. "That will be 500 dollars, sir, cash or card?"
^ totally agree. I'm sure that there are a lot of girls who are posting the kind of content I'd definitely subscribe to. I mean the only OF memberships I keep are of two girls I found on Reddit and they posted stuff I really enjoy like the one girl fucks literal strangers and the other sucks her roomates cock for long periods of time while he or she games.
Companies underpay the stars so the stars want to find a way where they are paid their just due.
They go on a site that allows them a better revenue stream so they use that new found platform and power to produce subpar material and price gouge their customers.
So companies screw performers and performers proceed to screw customers.
The whole industry is about taking a lot of people for granted so when I hear people throw out words like "entitlement" about customers it makes me roll my eyes at the easy sloganeering.
^ totally, I mean there are some girls who are total unknowns who have thousands of onlyfans subscribers and if a girl has 1,000 followers at even $10 each, she's making $10k a month and her only overheads are an internet connection and once off camera costs.
Why shoot 10 scenes a month for the same money and more effort whereas you can make a few 5-10 minute videos from home?
As I said earlier though, the mainstream porn producers will remain relevant because a girl shooting for one of the big producers really gets ALOT of fans from that exposure.
I suspect that we'll see a lot of girls coming in and out of shooting porn just to keep their names and customer base "alive"
I find it funny how people complain about those who buy into onlyfans arent wise because of the amount of money that is spent on it. Im sure some of those same people who complain and say they would never fall for onlyfans are some of the same people who spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars on their sports teams and we know some of those teams are just terrible. So for example, you are a season ticket holder for the Jets who hasnt won anything in at least a decade when they went to the AFC Championship Game. Most Jets fans wasnt even alive when the Jets won the Superbowl so all they heard of was stories or read articles or even seen old footage but yet they still spend countless of dollars on tickets and merchandise in support of their favorite team. I can say the same for alot of other teams too. Like even the Cowboys. They have a big fanbase and they havent even sniffed the NFC Championship Game in 25 years. Since then they really have just been an average team at best. But yet fans spend tons of money on merchandise and tickets. So what do we call those fans spending tons of money on mediocre to bad sport franchises? Then whats worse is some of those franchises dont truly care about winning. The owner only care about the money.
My point is, no matter if you are a fan of a performer, a fan of a sports team, or just extremely enjoy something you will be willing to spend money on it. Doesnt mean you arent wise. Its perfectly fine if you dont want to support onlyfans or just flat out dont like it. Onlyfans has its flaws but I can say the same thing about manyvids, clips4sale, and studio sites. This bashing of onlyfans though to make it seem like it has no good qualities is ridiculous. Again Ill ask, all these just flat out horror stories where someone is paying a crazy amount of money for a 5-10 minute video with low quality, who are you subbing to? Nobody still isnt telling me because Ive sub to at probaby around 30-40 people at some point over a year and the content that I got the most Ive paid for was $50 twice because I truly wanted it rather than waiting (even though I never know how long Id have to wait) I couldve paid $20. The content certainly wasnt 5-10 minutes. It was at least 25 minutes. One was 25 minutes the other was 33 minutes and the quality was great. One of which was professionally shot content. But most of the time Im paying around $20-25 for content at the most and the quality is great and Im starting to see more professionally shot scenes and most of the content I purchase are mainly over 20 minutes. And as Ive also said before, I can download my content. I dont know how it works from a phone but if you have a laptop or a desk computer there are ways you can download from onlyfans. So this notion that you cant download from onlyfans, you can. And some performers will even send you a link once you purchase content where you can download it for yourself. I know Sinn Sage does it. Ive heard Casey Calvert doing it and even Lacy Lennon will do it even though with them from what I gather its with customs not necessarily regular content. With Sinn she will send you links to download regular content of hers.
The thread asks a valid question, even though it could've been worded better. If the people who truly want to hear answers to that question are open-minded at this point I would think they have answers to the question. But, it's the internet and it's people who can't or refuse to see past what they choose to. It's the typical "I don't like it, so it sucks", "I wouldn't pay that price, so it's a rip off", "I wouldn't do that so those that do are suckers". Oh, and the usual counting another person's money. Yeah, the people who don't like it can't seem to grasp that it's not trying to appeal to them but that's true of people when it comes to any form of entertainment. A lot of people who don't like a certain type of music can't wrap their head around the fact that, that music isn't made to appeal to them. Or just pick a random thread on this site and we see some people on very regular basis complaining about how "bad" the content from a studio is simply because they don't like it.
I learned some stuff from this discussion. I don't know much at all about OF. Even though I can't see myself ever signing up or at least not anytime in the near future, now I understand the platform better. Good points from both sides but I think I side more with the people who actually signed up and can see the good qualities and admit to the bad and more importantly don't try and imply that every girl with an account runs their OF the same way.
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Posted - Jun 15 2021 : 11:31AM
there are obviously scammy and terrible OnlyFans out there, but for anyone who is looking for legit good ones where there is minimal PPV, you can look at Danika Mori's OnlyFans (danikamorixxx). A 1000+ videos for $10/month.
I subscribed to Casey Calvert's page for a while last year. She does really great content I even considered buying a custom from her but I "chatted" with her a few times and i always felt like a fool who was probably talking to someone paid to manage the account. It seems like people really like OF partially because you get to a direct connection to the stars but if thats not the case it loses it luster IMO. I wonder how much of the content is managed and run like a business? i totally get why it would be its 24/7 work on top of all the other things they do, hell Casey just recently shot a mainstream indie film.
