beautifully said wolf. Absolutely beautiful. I agree 100% that porn is merely a reflection of our society....and people in all business fields make compromises... Musical artists sell out because they need a doper car, conglomerate corporations eat smaller ones for a couple bucks at the expense of thousands of jobs, and girls in the biz make a conscious choice to let someone else do the choosing.
and I love Sartre.....
and second favorite just might be socrates.....although he never actually wrote anything down, the manner in which plato depicts him....well I can't help but think he had to smoke pot. all those questions. why? why do you think that? well, why this though? um....but.....why?
Mill was pretty tight too....although I think he lived in fear. But he did have some excellent points. "the only freedom which deserves the name is that of pursuing our own good in our own way, so long as we do not attempt to deprive others of their needs or impede their efforts to obtain it."
and if nietzsche wasn't such an arrogant bastard, I'd probably like a little bit more. "Everything that philosophers have handled, for thousands of years now, has been a conceptual mummy; nothing real escaped their hands alive" wow. what a statement huh?
Probably in the minority here - I never saw the big deal about anal. I usually FF through those scenes as well, and if a title proclaims 100% anal I will most likely not even pick it up.
Thanks, Penny. I think, in another life, I may have been a writer. Unfortunately (for me, but likely not the public-at-large) there's that whole "lack of talent and original ideas" thing. He's pretty much the only philosopher I still read. I probably should read more, but I think I may have done some serious damage to myself in my late teens/early twenties by reading too much philosohy. [:p)] Although, one of my favorite college professors was (and, in retrospect, remains) my ethics/logic/philosophy professor. Go figure.OMG, you're too cool, Penny. One of my favorite quotations of all time comes from Socrates. (Or, rather, as you mentioned, from Plato quoting Socrates). Off the top of my head (i.e., most likely paraphrased): "I am more intelligent than the masses because I am ignorant and aware of it, whereas the masses are ignorant but unaware of it."+1. Such a simple and logical idea, and yet profound in that so many people seem to miss the point it contains. *sigh*Indeed, though I can kind of see his point (to a point). The jokes I make about philosophy "damaging" me and about being "mental masturbation" are tongue-in-cheek, for certain, yet they contain a grain of truth. By that I mean, I am not exactly sure how much philosophers have really DONE as opposed to how much they have THEORIZED (or perhaps, merely TALKED). The real truth more than likely resides in my own limited understanding of what many of them were on about, but, of course, that is more difficult for me to admit to myself than it is to any random person who might hear/read me say/type it.
of course you can eat your twat waffle and wear your ass hat.
and I love an opposition.....there is nothing better than someone who disagrees with me. Because then we can talk, each share our sides, and maybe, possibly, help shed light on issues the other may not have otherwise grasped.
I suppose that is the one good thing that philosophers did for us...they talked about everything there was to talk about and wrote it all down so that we, their future children wouldn't kill ourselves trying to figure things out, we could just take a couple college courses and understand that overthinking things is more effort than necessary. And even though most of them never figured things out, at least they tried... If no one ever tried anything, or argued an opposing point. we would never learn. about the world or ourselves.
The last thing I want from anyone is for them to just agree because they think that's what I want. I want honesty, and a good conversation. That's all.
and to the kind Mr. thomas.....oh yes. he loved it. That along with wine and little boys.
Greek fools got wild. I would definately have worn a green toga and got ploughed all day with him, even though he liked it in the butt. Or to put it in the butt.
Suh-weet! In my mind, that's better than "having my cake and eating it, too."Good point. Hmmm, I will have to read "The Alchemist" with a critical eye (dammit! I'll be on vacation and have to think! hehe), and see if we have differing interpretations. I am sure to come up with something from "left field" if not the "parking lot" or nearby "freeway." That is a good way of looking at it, and quite likely true. I guess I, like most, get lazy sometimes and would rather NOT think. Damn me for having some kind of built in mechanism that makes me feel guilty when I do so for an extended period of time. [:p)]Well, I can be honest, the good conversation part I will work on. Seriously though, I think your thread is likely to continue to grow, Penny, because ADT seems to contain a number of prolific posters whose interests span far beyond just porn. I know that a long thread is not a priority, but I mention it for a reason...because it seems to me that ADT is a place about the exchange of ideas involving everything from pop culture to current events to history to sports to philosophy, etc. and your presence here seems only to stimulate that kind of discussion.
When I first joined ADT it was simply to get more info. on my fave stars/directors, new titles, etc. But what has kept me here is the conversation, the humor, the frightening (in a good way) collective eruidition of its inhabitants. Even if I haven't always gotten to reply to certain threads that interest me, I have read much that has educated me and me made me question what I had possibly taken for granted. My point is (I have a point!?) that I hope you stick around and post when you have time because you certainly add to this type of give and take atmosphere, and that is a good thing indeed.
i think one year actually...oh and my cheeks were a little swollen the next day, it was worth it though! yes love, you may smoke all you want in my thread :)
Dam! go to work for 8 hours, and all hell breaks loose in the Penny Flame thread. Least the mods can't say this is just a nonsense thread any more. Keep on telling it like it is Penny, you Rock!!
Hey Penny, I was wondering if we could get away from all the drama for a second, so I could ask a typical fanboy question. I just ordered "Heavy Breathing" the Vivid Video release starring Cassidey, and of course you. I wanted to know how it was working with Cassidey, who I've always thought was one of the hottest women to do porn? I also ordered Lewd Conduct 27, and I'm really excited to see you working with Diabolic again. This flick also has a great cast with Jenna Presley, Joanna Angel, Brooke Haven, & Delilah Strong. It continues to amaze me how many flicks you appear in, as well as directing movies for Shane's World! Speaking of Shane's World, what's going to be your next directorial release for them? Ok, enough lame fanboy rambling, keep up the great work, and I'll keep watching! Daredevil
cassidey is freaking awesome. I had wanted to bang her for so long, and then she picked me to fuck her in the bathroom, and it was the hottest wildest girl girl I have ever done. Well, the only other comparable one was a scene with Brianna Banks...fuck man.
and as far as Shanes World??? We just went out to Hawaii searching for Maui Wowie....and we definately found it. It is an all star cast, including the infamous ass hat herself, the lovely Emily Evermore, Mr. Jack Venice and the one the only, Sasha. It was probably the funniest trip I have been on so far, and it should be out sometime in sept....definately before AVN noms. I'm kinda hoping on the inside that it gets nominated for best new comedy....but don't tell anyone because once you tell people your secret wish, it never comes true.
And next up on the list is a series that we may end up calling Skits. Not quite sure on that yet. It's gonna be a buncha funny 5 minute skits and some hot hot hot sex scenes. I plan to start shooting it in late august or early september.
No worries about the fan boy stuff....anytime anyplace.
All the talk about Penny's flaming asshole got me to thinking how lucky we are to even be considering it.
As someone who recalls the day when Penny and Charlie Laine each seemed destined to never crossover into hetero porn, I have no regrets that I can't look this gift horse in the third eye. I mean after all Charlie is still doing girl/girl only. That could have been our Penny!
But it's human nature to measure our happiness by what we don't have rather than what we do. Unless you make a conscious effort to stop such nonsense.
Sydnee Steele, Savanna Samson or None. 275 Posts 12/05
Posted - Aug 1 2006 : 9:22AM
The one philosopher who speaks most to the predicament of Penny's friend and perhaps all porners is Marx and his notion of alientation. Here's the short version: When the labor of the human being is transformed into a commodity, it conceals the real relationships of power and that labor power that should free the human being is turned into its opposite, it becomes a weapon used against he or she. Thus the human being become alienated from his/her essence. Relief from the pain, despair and misery of this existence is provided by religion, nationalism and well today it's shopping, porn, reality tv and crystal meth.
The problem of alienation in porn goes much deeper, because its not just labor that is commodified but the body human itself. Marx of course was a brillant critic but not so good at solutions. The question remains: What is to be done?
alexander....you have hit the nail on the head my friend.
But with that said, we have to wonder if there is any fixing it. Just like communism, being a pornstar seems like a great idea....a utopian notion if you must, but when the plan is actualized, there arise problems, mostly due to our follies and of course human nature. People always want more. Especially in LA. Gotta have the pimp car, gotta have a phat house, gotta be inhumanly perfect.
Is it truly within our nature to want to do better than others? After all the history courses I have taken, after five years in the biz, and after 23 years on earth, I can't help but feel like we do. crappy deal kinda.
Thanks for the reply Penny, and if you ever want to advertise your future flicks, please post a message at your house of worship. There's over 600 members there, (even if they're a bit of a quiet bunch), and I'm sure they'd like to hear your thoughts on about anything you'd like to talk about. I'll have to stay out of any philophosy discussions, because that's a little too deep for an old ex-stoner like myself. take care, D.D
I totally agree with you saratoga. I remember the first time I saw the coverbox of Jack's playground, and it was lust at 1st sight. I'm not usually into women who only do G-G work, (with the exception of Felicia, Isabella Camille), but I started buying every flick Penny was in.I remember watching one of my fave G-G-G scenes in the movie "Three Timing" with Penny, Charlie Laine & Natalia Wood, and Penny's character is trying get the guy to fuck her. I was thinking, "YES, have sex with her you fool", LOL! Well it took a while but we all got to see Penny get her freak on with guys, and it was well worth the wait IMHO! I'm as guilty as the next porn fan in that I always want to see my fave women doing more, and pushing the boundaries, while at the same time, I'm really grateful that Penny is even making porn, (G-G, or B-g). It's been cool as hell to see her career from almost the start as a model to now being a big star, and also a director. Sometimes you just have to look back to remember how lucky you are. Don't change Penny, you're a true original. Ok, enough sucking up for one post. Take care, D.D.
Forget your intelligence for a moment -- I love your honesty.
I get tired of reading the posts of many porn performers on this message board who seem only to be writing what they think their fans want to hear. Not only are they selling themselves short, they're doing the same thing with some of their fans. A lot of us would much rather read posts that shed some light on the hearts and minds of the girls/women we enjoy watching.
It's wonderful to hear your fresh and candid thoughts.
I get tired of reading the posts of many porn performers on this message board who seem only to be writing what they think their fans want to hear. Not only are they selling themselves short, they're doing the same thing with some of their fans. thank you bob....you words mean so much to me. I was worried.....really, about losing fans because of my honesty. (That wouldn't have prevented it however).
and damsey, I don't know......I may end up doing it in the far future, because I do love me some black men, but as of now, it isn't the right career choice. Gotta stretch it out ya know?
Hi Penny, there's a thread about american women working over in Japan. I was wondering if you could share with us, how the experience was. Small dicks.. good money.. buy any cameras?? Thanks, D.D.
Man I got here too late...anyway, here's a quote I enjoy from Albert Camus:
"At 30 a man should know himself like the palm of his hand, know the exact number of his defects and qualities, know how far he can go, foretell his failures - be what he is. And, above all, accept these things."
And Oscar Wilde:
"Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination.
Arguments are to be avoided; they are always vulgar and often convincing."
yea....just got back from reggae on the river and I must admit I am a bit retarded. Well, more retarded than usual I suppose.... yo Daredevil....yeah. Small dicks was the probably and ironically the biggest problem in Japan. I had such a good fuckin time, both times I went, if the cocks had been huge, my fun levels would have been chart topping. And yes I bought two cameras, and yes, I only figured out how to get one to read in English. Damnit. Oh and Skronkers......if I ever start doing IR, Van Styles is the first I'm gonna give it too.....the scene I mean. I'm gonna charge him out the ass....and if he won't pay my impossibly high rate, the whole world can blame him. Hahahahha. Van. Now you're fucked huh babe. The whole world will blame you for me not doing IR cuz I'm gonna give it to you first and only you and if you don't shoot it that fuck man.....nobody can. hey maybe if I start doing IR, I'll get Boondocks humor. Get a little dark meat in me if ya know what I mean. And I do love dark meat. But Not Fuckin Oprah. God my funniness abounds.
and on an entirely different note, I'm never doing hard drugs again. You can quote me on this, and slit my throat if I do. (And no, pot doesn't constitute as a hard drug. So that is still in the mix. Same with Alcohol.)
Wow what timing. It just so happens that the next movie I am shooting is Take It Black 5 this month. After seeing this thread I immediately called up Hustler and mentioned that I would have the 1st opportunity to shoot Penny Flame in an IR scene. After a lengthy discussion Hustlers Check book is wide open for you Penny. Shall I call LA Direct to start planning this scene? ;o)
"Either you slangin crack rock or got a wicked jump shot"
You do understand that if you shoot your first IR scene for Van he's gonna put you with me, right? And trust me, you're gonna need all the weed and booze you can get your hands on before you tackle ol' CJ. I'll call fellow Maryland native Aaron McGruder over and he'll animate your pussy's obliteration on a future episode of The Boondocks.
CJ, THAT WOULD BE SO DOPE. You could have me gettin some smiley face text message that leads to the ultimate obliteration and annihiation of my "semi-virgin" pussy. hahaha. then you could have me kidnapped as a fuck up in place of punky brewster. I think I could pass. I think Van should jump in the scene at some point too....start his POV line I've heard so much about! Wow. The destruction of my vagina begins. and van.....I'm talking a down payment on my house.....I know hustler pays you well, but man.....I got good taste. I'm even thinking about purchasing something in Encino.....I'm gonna need at least 100K to be taken seriously by any loan agency, so how bout you call Larry back and see if ya can work the numbers. Besides, I think it's time you make your debut.....I know you only got into porn to bash hot porno bitches anyway..... MAN UP MOTHAFUCKA!!! (I am currently rolling on the floor in tears of joy and laughter at the thought of no longer having to save for the next year in order to buy the house in the valley of my dreams!)
and yes, of course I understand it will be with you. You will be the only black man I will perform with. And I will only perform with you in front of van. In his new awesome 4 wheel drive truck that he might have to return in order to pay me. ps still laughing hysterically....
I keep seeing you post, referring to these astronomical and exorbent figures Van/Hustler would need to pay you in order to do a black man...why is that?
Is it because we're so damned good looking AND well-hung or because you consider us some sort of sub-species or circus act that you need to up your rate in order to lower yourself to do one (or more) of us?
Just curious. You're the one who keeps coming back to money time and time again.
He's pretty much the only philosopher I still read. I probably should read more, but I think I may have done some serious damage to myself in my late teens/early twenties by reading too much philosohy. [:p)] 
Although, one of my favorite college professors was (and, in retrospect, remains) my ethics/logic/philosophy professor. Go figure.OMG, you're too cool, Penny. One of my favorite quotations of all time comes from Socrates. (Or, rather, as you mentioned, from Plato quoting Socrates). Off the top of my head (i.e., most likely paraphrased): "I am more intelligent than the masses because I am ignorant and aware of it, whereas the masses are ignorant but unaware of it."+1. Such a simple and logical idea, and yet profound in that so many people seem to miss the point it contains. *sigh*Indeed, though I can kind of see his point (to a point). The jokes I make about philosophy "damaging" me and about being "mental masturbation" are tongue-in-cheek, for certain, yet they contain a grain of truth. By that I mean, I am not exactly sure how much philosophers have really DONE as opposed to how much they have THEORIZED (or perhaps, merely TALKED). The real truth more than likely resides in my own limited understanding of what many of them were on about, but, of course, that is more difficult for me to admit to myself than it is to any random person who might hear/read me say/type it. 
But he saved that for those who were "special" to him in his personal life. To my knowledge, he never did anal on camera. 
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