Penny Flame (page 13)

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wheat Senior Member You want a toe? I can get you a toe 1131 Posts 4/06	Posted - Aug 9 2006 : 8:04PM Crucifixio_Jones wrote: Is it because we're so damned good looking AND well-hung Click to expand you sound like you're really attracted to black men yourself. ;) [Link]
PennytheFlamingFlame Member 157 Posts 7/06	Posted - Aug 9 2006 : 8:09PM it's because a black man's penis is incredibly large. It's like a big gulp in a world of grande's and venti's. I'm afraid that once I start doing black men, I WILL never go back, and I will come to need that extravagantly long cock, and white boys just won't do it for me anymore. It's expensive because it will cut me off from being pleasured by that which already brings me pleasure. So I figure a dollar for every white boy that wouldn't be up to par.....actually, I should get alot more huh! (and ps....I love black men. always have always will. there is nothing sexier than a dark sweaty man with muscles I could do my laundry on, and the dreads showing his faith in King Ras Tafari, His Imperial Majesty Haile Selassie .........it's just not the right career move at this point in all honesty. I got plenty more work ahead of me as it is.... Thought I'd try to pin this on on Van but I guess that's out the window.) [Link]
tricia_devereaux Evil Angel DVD Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00	Posted - Aug 9 2006 : 8:21PM Penny - fabulous PC answer. you're better at this walking the line posting thing than you gave yourself credit for. Personally, if you know a black guy is gonna bring you more pleasure, I'd think you should charge LESS money. On a business level, if a girl told me that she'd only do IR for more money, I'd tell her to get her ass out of my office. And the girls who say they like black guys, but it's a career choice for them to not do it on camera? Fuck that. Since when did judging a person by their skin color become a career choice? I agree with you on one thing. Black cock IS fabulous. And from what I hear, you'd be too lucky to be given the honor to have CJ fuck you. [Link]
wheat Senior Member You want a toe? I can get you a toe 1131 Posts 4/06	Posted - Aug 9 2006 : 8:52PM I for one don't care what colour the dude in the scene is(seems a very american thing that i can't understand) but the people who produce porn created the idiotic IR sub section which seems to me to just be america playing out it's sad racial history through porn. But that style of movie is done by less girls so it is indeed tied to money and marketing, don't blame the girls as they don't buy or market movies which play up to racial stereotypes. You seem rather arrogant in your ideas of whats right and wrong for the porn girls and after clicking and reading your bio i can't help but think a litle of penny's business sense and indeed common sense could have helped you. porn is a business with the girls being the key commodity it's just that you guys don't want the girls finding that out or the power base shifts from you to them. Edited by - wheat on 8/9/2006 8:56:29 PM [Link]

deicide Member Killer of the Gods! 88 Posts 7/06	Posted - Aug 9 2006 : 8:57PM tricia_devereaux wrote: On a business level, if a girl told me that she'd only do IR for more money, I'd tell her to get her ass out of my office. And the girls who say they like black guys, but it's a career choice for them to not do it on camera? Fuck that. Since when did judging a person by their skin color become a career choice? Click to expand I'm just curious how you feel about the girls that will only do g/g scenes then? Since when did judging a person by their sex (sexism) become a career choice? -deicide [Link]
bradbury Member Pittsburgh 84 Posts 7/06	Posted - Aug 9 2006 : 9:05PM Is there any scientific data on if girls do IR then they make less money? I can't imagine someone like Gina Lynn commands any less money than any other pornstar. [Link]
Clam Digger Deactivated User Many a man fails as an original thinker simply because his memory is too good. 2268 Posts 1/05	Posted - Aug 9 2006 : 9:48PM PennytheFlamingFlame wrote: .........it's just not the right career move at this point in all honesty. I got plenty more work ahead of me as it is.... Thought I'd try to pin this on on Van but I guess that's out the window.) Click to expand ______________________________________________________________ Penny Where exactly is the career risk for doing IR? Does it hurt the feature dancing part of your career in some way? Does it lower your fee for DVD work? [Link]
saratoga120 Senior Member 1404 Posts 5/05	Posted - Aug 9 2006 : 10:50PM Forbidden fruit is what the industry (and indeed much of sexuality) is based on, and though chocolate is no more a fruit than ketchup is, the spectacle of a beautiful white girl giving her lust over to a spectacularly hung black man will remain an incredible turn on for both races and both sexes until our society is completely blackwashed of its racial prejudices. [Link]
PennytheFlamingFlame Member 157 Posts 7/06	Posted - Aug 9 2006 : 11:10PM there is no racial prejudice in me saying it is a career choice. Here is an example that may help clarify..... the first year of my career I did solo print work....no toys no boys was the motto the second thru fourth year of my career I did g/g. No toys no boys. the fifth year of my career-probably the 8th, solo b/g. Tame. No b/b/g no IR, no swallowing etc. I said it is a career choice because I love to fuck black man....and I would on camera if I had already fucked all the white guys. There are invisible lines that were created somewhere along the way that guide you in what work you get and what work you will get on a continual basis. If I had started doing b/g right out the gates, there would be no market for it now, five years down the road. So if I start doing IR, (which sadly enough is considered different than b/g) then there won't be a market for it later on in my career when I try to step up the game. I know some of you got what I was trying to say...You can't be president of the company right off....you gotta work in the mail room first, then climb your way up. By holding out, I can almost gaurantee that I will have a job in 3 years. if there are any gaurantees in porn. Nada nea to do with skin color, just invisible steps on the ladder of pornography [Link]
PennytheFlamingFlame Member 157 Posts 7/06	Posted - Aug 9 2006 : 11:18PM and as far as charging more because its IR, the first anything always gets paid a grip, but after that it always goes back to regular prices... just thought I'd mention it [Link]
LSBReviews Member 272 Posts 1/05	Posted - Aug 9 2006 : 11:46PM I happen to agree with Penny. Like it or not, IR is a fetish and is used as a selling point. When Penny does her first IR you know it's going to say so on the films box cover, "Penny Flame's 1st Interracial", so she absolutely should be paid more money. Now on the other hand if you have a girl who just thinks she deserves more money for doing an interracial scene because it's beneath her, she's a racist and shouldn't be hired. Lenny [Link]
tricia_devereaux Evil Angel DVD Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 2:17AM deicide wrote: I'm just curious how you feel about the girls that will only do g/g scenes then? Since when did judging a person by their sex (sexism) become a career choice? Click to expand Are you at all serious about thinking there's a comparison between the two? There's a HUGE difference between not being ready to be penetrated by any dick at all, and eliminating a person based on their skin color. A girl who's worth shooting is going to have career longevity no matter what. Tiffany Mynx, Nautica Thorn, Belladonna and a handful of others have been doing all types of scenes for years, and people keep lining up to see them over and over again. [Link]
deicide Member Killer of the Gods! 88 Posts 7/06	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 3:30AM tricia_devereaux wrote: deicide wrote: I'm just curious how you feel about the girls that will only do g/g scenes then? Since when did judging a person by their sex (sexism) become a career choice? Click to expand Are you at all serious about thinking there's a comparison between the two? There's a HUGE difference between not being ready to be penetrated by any dick at all, and eliminating a person based on their skin color. A girl who's worth shooting is going to have career longevity no matter what. Tiffany Mynx, Nautica Thorn, Belladonna and a handful of others have been doing all types of scenes for years, and people keep lining up to see them over and over again. Click to expand I should/could have worded that better, but had to go fix a router at the University here. I just posted what I had already written. Actually you are making an assumption that the female in question isn't "ready to be penetrated by any dick at all" (do strap-on's and toys count as being penetrated by "any dick at all?"). Maybe the girl has already done b/g in the past but will not do it anymore. Maybe she just wants to save b/g for her personal life. And as I think everyone here would agree IR is currently labeled and marketed as a fetish. It wasn't the talent that labels and markets it that way. It's the industry that has actually drawn that line in the sand through marketing and titles of IR products. But yet you say that the talent shouldn't look at skin color even though the title of the movie as well as the cover is sure to exploit that fact. So 2 more questions. My question really is what makes it wrong that a person wants to keep somethings only for thier personal life? What if her choice of not doing IR is based on the way it is promoted/exploited and she doesn't want her name associated with that? Which leads me to the 2nd assumption most people seem to make. My problem is people automatically assume that just because a woman won't do a IR scene it means she has something against black men. It is a possibility that the person doesn't want to end up being in a movie with a potentially racial/racist title that she doesn't feel comfortable having her name attached to (hence why she might say she wants to save it for her personal life where she has no such worries). Note: I am not trying to start an argument on this topic. I am genuinely interested in why people jump to these assumptions. -deicide [Link]
daredevil2025 Member Penny for your thoughts? 756 Posts 6/05	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 10:21AM On a completely different note, I like your new avatar Penny. No Beer, No TV, Make Homer Go Crazy! [Link]

Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 12:16PM Tricia already said perfectly what I also think and it confirmed my idea that I should ignore every movie Penny Flame is in but I have to reply to one thing written: By holding out, I can almost gaurantee that I will have a job in 3 years. if there are any gaurantees in porn. Click to expand No offence but in 3 years you will be over the hill and will anyone care by then? Don't overestimate the loyalty of pornfans especially if there are hotter girls out there who ARE doing interracial. [Link]
wheat Senior Member You want a toe? I can get you a toe 1131 Posts 4/06	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 12:20PM I will stil be watching penny in 3 years. great post by decide i think it summed everything up, looking forward to the reply. [Link]
Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 12:30PM With her attitude and views how porn works I doubt she will last 3 years doing only white on white action. And in case Penny Flame is wondering, the most populair girls in porn right now have no problem doing IR: Tiffany Mynx, Trina Michaels, Lauren Phoenix, Flower Tucci, Gianna, Noami, Melissa Lauren, Katja Kassin, Hillary Scott, Leah Luv..... [Link]
wheat Senior Member You want a toe? I can get you a toe 1131 Posts 4/06	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 12:49PM yet she has been in the biz for 5 years hasn't she? A lot of people don't care if the girl does IR, it's not a turn on or a turn off for me as i really couldn't care about the guy in the scene and what his skin colour is I wil leave that fetish for the american bigots. [Link]
bono-ONE All-Star Member SAMCRO 8570 Posts 8/00	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 12:53PM Ramsey I'm sure Penny is quite concerned with your observations. I think a bit of restraint is in order. People get far to worked up on whether or not a girl does IR, anal, swallows, etc. I mean it's really getting old. You've read what she's posted and I don't gleem anything from it other than she wants to do this at more appropriate time in her career and that's for her to judge and not for you, me, or anyone else. Move on to girls you know already do this. [Link]
wheat Senior Member You want a toe? I can get you a toe 1131 Posts 4/06	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 12:56PM exactly, seems everytime a girl joins she gets hit with questions and even abuse over the limits she maintains in her porn life. it's going to just drive the girls away. [Link]
Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 1:00PM yet she has been in the biz for 5 years hasn't she? Click to expand I'm only counting her boy/girl time. I wil leave that fetish for the american bigots. Click to expand Nice twist like now people who enjoy interracial movies are the bigots. A mod should have closed this thread many days ago. [Link]
Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 1:01PM I wil leave that fetish for the american bigots. Click to expand Nice twist like now people who enjoy interracial movies are the bigots. A mod should have closed this thread many days ago. [Link]
wheat Senior Member You want a toe? I can get you a toe 1131 Posts 4/06	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 1:01PM nothing wrong with the thread, just pull your head in an show some respect for other people's career choices. [Link]
Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 1:02PM Ramsey I'm sure Penny is quite concerned with your observations. Click to expand She doesn't have to. I'm out of this thread, I mean I would rather spent my time on ADT talking about girls I actually like! The End. [Link]

wheat Senior Member You want a toe? I can get you a toe 1131 Posts 4/06	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 1:06PM didn't he just admit he was only in this thread trolling? [Link]
Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 1:16PM Alright last one reply for this guy wheat. I only posted in this thread to defend the logic of Tricia and because she was being attacked unfairly by some of you while she made perfect sense to me. But since Bono asked me to drop it I will so cool down wheat and go watch a Penny Flame movie or something. [Link]
wheat Senior Member You want a toe? I can get you a toe 1131 Posts 4/06	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 1:37PM you're just lucky they seem to play fav's around here, if you had 8 posts instead of 8000 no doubt you would be banned. [Link]
astroknight Questionable Moderator Tastes so good... 4187 Posts 11/99	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 1:41PM To cut through the nuttiness and hate that's been running wild every other post or so here, I've gotta say that Penny sounds awfully together on her thinking. She's not saying "never" to IR and has even put thought into who she wants to do it for. She's also not coming off as a bigot. Instead she's coming off as a woman with a good understanding of how the business works. "Vegetarianism for me is about saying ‘yes’ to things - even meat." - Coupling [Link]
PennytheFlamingFlame Member 157 Posts 7/06	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 2:55PM thanks ramsey, for reaffirming my beliefs that there are still pig headed, arrogant deaf men in the world who hear what you are saying but don't actually listen. If you had spent some time reading the post, you would see that I am all for IR, just not at this point in time, which a few people have been kind enough to point out. If you want some dumb slut with no opinions, and says whatever you want to hear, find another porn girl to hassle. Because I could give a flying fuck about you or the business you "might" bring me. I bet you're one of those guys that download porn on limewire and think that it's different than stealing. The reason I got on this forum was to talk to the good people who like to watch their favorite girls get fucked. It was not, however, to be bombarded by blasphemous and crude remarks like the ones you have made. I would rather you not watch any of my movies, honestly. I like to think that the peole watching me have a brain...a heart.....a soul even. All you have is a mouth, and what comes out of it is not very pretty. Have a nice life jerkoff and leave me the fuck alone. To everybody else....I think the conversation we had going before that asshole jumped in here was awesome. I wish there was a way to cut out his comments. Guess I'll just forget he exists..... Damn....there goes that honesty thing again. No PC here my friends. Life is too short. [Link]
PennytheFlamingFlame Member 157 Posts 7/06	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 2:56PM and ramsey, it's my attitude that helped me get this far. If I don't like someone, or something, I will tell them staight to their face to fuck off.... In case you didn't get it the first time.... The fact that I am a real woman is part of my appeal. Too bad you're not a real man. [Link]
wheat Senior Member You want a toe? I can get you a toe 1131 Posts 4/06	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 3:00PM I guess a lot of people who watch porn watch it for that exact thing "dumb sluts" getting used and abused. they just can't handle smart girls who enjoy themselves and maintain control of their career. Edited by - wheat on 8/10/2006 3:00:53 PM [Link]
PennytheFlamingFlame Member 157 Posts 7/06	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 3:01PM Thank you wheat. I'm glad we are part of the latter crew....the ones who enjoy it that is..... [Link]
wheat Senior Member You want a toe? I can get you a toe 1131 Posts 4/06	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 3:03PM I would like to think a lot of us like the girls who enjoy themselves, but the minority can sometimes yell so loud you think they are all around. Edited by - wheat on 8/10/2006 3:04:19 PM Edited by - wheat on 8/10/2006 3:04:45 PM [Link]
PennytheFlamingFlame Member 157 Posts 7/06	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 3:11PM funny like that huh. Son Cosas de la Vida.... ps I love wheat bread....honey wheat... [Link]

wheat Senior Member You want a toe? I can get you a toe 1131 Posts 4/06	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 3:16PM hehe yep thats what i was eating when i picked the name :P [Link]
astroknight Questionable Moderator Tastes so good... 4187 Posts 11/99	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 4:13PM So Penny, how do you really feel???? "Vegetarianism for me is about saying ‘yes’ to things - even meat." - Coupling [Link]
daredevil2025 Member Penny for your thoughts? 756 Posts 6/05	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 4:27PM PennytheFlamingFlame wrote: funny like that huh. Son Cosas de la Vida.... ps I love wheat bread....honey wheat... Click to expand hehehe No Beer, No TV, Make Homer Go Crazy! [Link]
Clam Digger Deactivated User Many a man fails as an original thinker simply because his memory is too good. 2268 Posts 1/05	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 4:54PM PennytheFlamingFlame wrote: ......The reason I got on this forum was to talk to the good people who like to watch their favorite girls get fucked. .... To everybody else....I think the conversation we had going before that asshole jumped in here was awesome..... Damn....there goes that honesty thing again. No PC here my friends. Life is too short. Click to expand _____________________________________________________________ It seems to me that you are just making a business decision that you certainly have every right to make...nuff said! I first spotted you on www.californiawildcats.com couple of years ago doing the gg thing, but only caught up with you a few months ago doing the b/g thing, after reading good things about your's and Manuel's scene in "Sport Fucking 4".....Very very hot!!! I have since added "Who Let The Whores Out 1" (love that Kami too!) and "Sex Fiends" - both of which I highly recommend. I'm pretty conventional...I prefer 1 on 1 bg sex & am not real big on anal because I'm simply not convinced that the girls and guys (i.e Manuel Ferrara)who are really into it..U know that chemistry thing.....! I do enjoy girls that bring they're "A" game to what they do. Your intelligence, honesty and humor shine in your work and on this forum - and that only IMHO makes you even hotter...Hey just call me a horny old romantic fart! It seems to me that in both "public" and "private" sex, it's "the tease" that "sets the table" and you have just incorporated that concept into your business plan...Smart and Hot all at the same time....yikes!!!! Clam Digger [Link]
TarynThomas Senior Member Taryn It Up 1013 Posts 2/05	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 6:51PM Go Penny It's your Birthday! Go Penny!!! LOL You tell him how it is. [Link]
tricia_devereaux Evil Angel DVD Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 7:19PM deicide- I want to thank you for being so level headed and asking me questions that can help further clarify why I feel the way I do. To be completely honest, I HATE that IR is considered a fetish. I am constantly disgusted by the titles that exploit the taboo-ness (yes, I know that's not a word, but it was what I was feeling about the subject ) of it. I watch a lot of IR scenes, but it took me years to even CALL them IR scenes. I would just think of it as a girl with a hot guy - and all the better if he was black. For me on a personal level, I guess I don't mind titles like Once You Go Black. At first, they bothered me. But then I started looking at them as not being very different than a title like Hot Naked Blondes. I guess I'm just so overly-sensitive to people that I think are exploiting racism, that I take it personally. I've dated black guys in the past, and coming from a small town in the midwest, I took a lot of flak for it from both people in the town AND my own father. I had to be so adamant about that I wasn't dating a black guy, I was just dating a guy that I was into that happened to be black. I mean, I completely took it to be as stupid as someone objecting to me dating a guy with blond hair instead of brown hair. And to wheat - you're absolutely right. I made a couple bad decisions here and there in my 11 years-to-date in the adult industry. The only decision that I regret is being too trustworthy and taking it for granted that noone would ever knowingly put my physical health in jeopardy. As a producer, I have always gone out of my way to make sure that the performers are comfortable and doing what they WANT to do in the movies. If I want to shoot a certain type of scene, and they don't want to do that, that's cool. But it's also up to me to shoot what I want to see... so I decide if I'd rather see that girl do what she wants, or another girl do what I'm in the mood for that day. I have NEVER ONCE tried to talk a girl into doing a sex act that she doesn't want to do. And about the career longevity thing... I DO understand about holding out on some things. Boys, anal, DPs... yeah, I definitely understand. As a producer, I'm not the type of person to pay a girl more money for her first anything. Not first boy, not first anal. Other directors at Evil Angel do. But I haven't been commenting in this thread as a representative of Evil Angel. Just as me. The reason I wouldn't pay a girl more for a first isn't because I don't think a girl shouldn't get more for her first of everything. She absolutely should. If the studio exploits it, and they will... she should benefit from that. I just don't like shooting firsts. In one way, I do know that sales-wise I'm probably losing out. That's cool with me. It's not about money to me. It's about doing what I fucking love. Porn was never a career-choice of carefully calculated decisions to me. It was me figuring out what kind of sex I wanted to have, and DOING it. I'm just more comfortable knowing that when I shoot a girl doing something, SHE'S comfortable doing it by then. She has done it one or more times and really realizes she likes it enough to want to do it again. Plus… I sleep better at night knowing that I’ve done my part to NOT shoot girls doing something that doesn’t make them happy. Cause despite that I’m being thrown into the piece-of-shit rich producer category by y’all, believe it or not, I’m not an evil person. Well, I AM evil, but in a good way. ;) [Link]
bono-ONE All-Star Member SAMCRO 8570 Posts 8/00	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 7:22PM Well said Tricia! [Link]
Van Styles Member Starr Power 306 Posts 1/04	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 7:33PM As Cleavon Little once said in Blazing Saddles...... "Where the white women at?!?" "Either you slangin crack rock or got a wicked jump shot" [Link]
daredevil2025 Member Penny for your thoughts? 756 Posts 6/05	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 8:02PM Van Styles wrote: As Cleavon Little once said in Blazing Saddles...... "Where the white women at?!?" "Either you slangin crack rock or got a wicked jump shot" Click to expand LOL! That's a great old classic movie, and that line would be a great title for an IR series, if it hasn't already been done. Van....maybe starring Penny... no pressure to Penny, maybe one day though. No Beer, No TV, Make Homer Go Crazy! [Link]
PennytheFlamingFlame Member 157 Posts 7/06	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 10:02PM maybe one day Daredevil.....maybe one day. But only if Van shoots it.... [Link]
Bill All-Star Member 5334 Posts 6/00	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 10:06PM daredevil2025 wrote: that line would be a great title for an IR series, if it hasn't already been done. Click to expand The opening line to that movie would have to be "Excuse me while I whips this out." [Link]
TarynThomas Senior Member Taryn It Up 1013 Posts 2/05	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 10:07PM CHEESECAKE UMMMM SO GOOD... [Link]
astroknight Questionable Moderator Tastes so good... 4187 Posts 11/99	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 10:23PM Tricia - very classy and very well put! Now we just need you to start shooting that "Nice Girls Who Like Intercourse" series. Since I'm bringing it up in her thread, it only seems right that you feature Penny in it... "Vegetarianism for me is about saying ‘yes’ to things - even meat." - Coupling [Link]
daredevil2025 Member Penny for your thoughts? 756 Posts 6/05	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 10:39PM Bill wrote: daredevil2025 wrote: that line would be a great title for an IR series, if it hasn't already been done. Click to expand The opening line to that movie would have to be "Excuse me while I whips this out." Click to expand LOL! No Beer, No TV, Make Homer Go Crazy! [Link]
tricia_devereaux Evil Angel DVD Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 10:47PM Astro - damn, I forgot about that series. Must have gotten lost somewhere in my fascination over assgasms. lol And yes, I'd put Penny in it. cause she wouldn't have to do anal or IR. [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 11:41PM TarynThomas wrote: CHEESECAKE UMMMM SO GOOD... Click to expand Is that what Penny is going to have to buy you when this thread gets locked for descending into an IR-bickering death spiral, and you win the biggie thread competition? [Link]