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| whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11 |  Posted - Jul 6 2016 : 3:41PMI don't think that's a completely fair comparison for 2 reasons. The first of which is that his career trajectory at this point would have already had him working less for other people (and having less scenes out). The second, and more important is that his right after the accusation, he wasn't working much at all for about a month or two, which would directly affect the amount of scenes he has coming out for the past 6 months.   [Link] |
Mister Fahrenheit  All-Star Member Meh 4655 Posts 10/13 | Posted - Jul 6 2016 : 4:06PM As to your other point, I think that's a fair objection. So I totaled the scenes between the start of February this year to the end of June and compared it to the same time period the year before: Feb. '16 to the end of Jun. '16: 24 scenes Feb '15 to the end of Jun. '15: 182 scenes Still a pretty significant difference in his bookings. [Link] |
| LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Jul 6 2016 : 4:21PM So the actual question is: Does he earn less now than before he was accused? I don't think so [Link] |
| Mister Fahrenheit All-Star Member Meh 4655 Posts 10/13 | Posted - Jul 6 2016 : 4:26PM [Link] |
| whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11 | Posted - Jul 6 2016 : 5:15PM You're still not account for the delay between shot and released. The scenes he shot from November to January would be the scenes releasing from February to June (and longer). If you wanted a truly fair comparison (or something close to it), you'd have to look at something like June-November of last year vs. June-November of this year. ^ And you have to remember that he only gets paid once for any of those scenes, but he gets paid for each sale of the movies and each sub to his website. So it has always made sense for him to focus less on shooting for other people and more on shooting for himself as time goes on, as he gets paid continually for that and not just once. All of the most popular male performers have basically done the same thing (Rocco, Manuel, Mick, Lex, etc.). Again, I'm not saying it's not down, I'm just saying that the drop isn't a bad as the numbers make it seem. [Link] |
| Mister Fahrenheit All-Star Member Meh 4655 Posts 10/13 | Posted - Jul 6 2016 : 5:58PM His bookings have declined by over seventy percent if my figures are correct. That's gotta hurt. I think you're both underselling significantly the financial hit he's taken. With the exception of Rocco, all the male performers on whatsatelephonebill's list still shoot a lot of scenes with companies aside from their own. Seems they still need the outside revenue. As for the delay between filming and releases, we'll have to revisit that in a few months and see I guess. [Link] |
| murdock Member I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Jul 6 2016 : 7:14PM Really there are any number of reasons that he could be working less right now that have nothing to do with the industry shutting him out. I think the only thing you can point to with any confidence at all are the producers who have gone on record (here or elsewhere) to say they won't be working with Dean anymore. All the rest (like much of this thread) is speculation. If a member here that I had had sex with tweeted that I had raped her, I'd be much less inclined to spend time here. Just sayin. [Link] |
| JB_X Deactivated User addled 1500 Posts 10/12 | Posted - Jul 7 2016 : 7:21AM [Link] |
| murdock Member I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Jul 7 2016 : 7:29AM Oh, and don't quote the post immediately above yours. You've been around long enough to know that. [Link] |
| Mister Fahrenheit All-Star Member Meh 4655 Posts 10/13 | Posted - Jul 7 2016 : 3:17PM [Link] |
| Dragon Sign Deactivated User 3381 Posts 12/13 | Posted - Jul 7 2016 : 6:58PM [Link] |
| fanofman Senior Member 2053 Posts 9/15 | Posted - Jul 7 2016 : 7:32PM Edited by - fanofman on 7/7/2016 7:34:24 PM [Link] |
| Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Jul 20 2016 : 7:25PM [Link] |
| FlacFan Deactivated User 10088 Posts 8/15 | Posted - Jul 21 2016 : 6:38AM |
| Captain Jack All-Star Member 5094 Posts 12/09 | Posted - Jul 21 2016 : 8:13AM [Link] |
| murdock Member I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Jul 21 2016 : 8:28AM [Link] |
| FlacFan Deactivated User 10088 Posts 8/15 | Posted - Jul 21 2016 : 9:14AM From what I have read, the time line and lawyer aspect is accurate, though imo he is far too smart to tell Cal/Osha to "shove it". Does the blogger have an agenda? Sure. Is it openly hostile? Sure. However that doesnt make the events and people false. [Link] |
| Captain Jack All-Star Member 5094 Posts 12/09 | Posted - Jul 21 2016 : 1:40PM Really? I've seen him in about a half dozen scenes in the last 2 weeks and know for a fact that he's currently working. 2nd, if anyone in porn speaks about Weinstein or any other initiative, they use the pronoun 'we'. When deen dies it, she acts like it's a crume. Plus, as she did mention, he was the head of APAC so he, more than others can say " we" . Read her Twitter page, 99% of it is about James deen. Edited by - Captain Jack on 7/21/2016 6:59:25 PM [Link] |
| Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User 1102 Posts 2/15 | Posted - Jul 21 2016 : 1:54PM [Link] |
| Captain Jack All-Star Member 5094 Posts 12/09 | Posted - Jul 21 2016 : 7:00PM Even if you feel one way or the other, politically, religiously, whatever, if you read an article that is so one-sided, to me, it's garbage. [Link] |
| cassano789 Member 31 Posts 9/15 | Posted - Jul 22 2016 : 10:38AM not bad of company we return work with him Elegant Angel the only one who does not have enter this story of exclusion For me James one of the best pornstar after Manual for me James the second Unfortunately, James is not been no success with Evil Angel there are no good ideas as Manual or Adriano despite that many porn stars want work with him as Manual James made stupid movies with Evil Angel he wants to work with these friends ONLY on the contrary Manual and Adriano who works with the best girls James has made these scenes with friends and with amateur !!! sextape !! for it does not have succeeds to Evil Angel another thing Evil Angel has not given the way for James to make these movies Rocco, Nacho .... have finished, they must retire is that despite Evel Angel gives many means to make these movies! [Link] |
| Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Jul 22 2016 : 11:00AM You do realize that Evil Angel just distributes all those movies. They are made entirely by the directors own company not by Evil Angel. [Link] |
| Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User 1102 Posts 2/15 | Posted - Jul 22 2016 : 3:34PM [Link] |
| Melvyn Senior Member 2797 Posts 12/12 | Posted - Jul 25 2016 : 6:05PM [Link] |
| ArielBlue Member The new face of extreme hardcore 207 Posts 7/16 | Posted - Jul 25 2016 : 8:41PM [Link] |
| Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03 | Posted - Jul 26 2016 : 10:05PM [Link] |
| FlacFan Deactivated User 10088 Posts 8/15 | Posted - Jul 26 2016 : 11:11PM [Link] |
| Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User 1102 Posts 2/15 | Posted - Jul 26 2016 : 11:22PM [Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Jul 27 2016 : 5:20AM murdock and Cindy, let it go. [Link] |
| ArielBlue Member The new face of extreme hardcore 207 Posts 7/16 | Posted - Jul 27 2016 : 7:40AM Edited by - MaciMay on 7/27/2016 12:04:05 PM [Link] |
| FlacFan Deactivated User 10088 Posts 8/15 | Posted - Apr 12 2017 : 2:00PM Edit: Fixed massive typo. Edited by - FlacFan on 4/12/2017 2:37:58 PM [Link] |
| misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13 | Posted - Apr 12 2017 : 2:12PM Edited by - misspornUSA on 4/12/2017 2:42:37 PM [Link] |
| Jman5245 All-Star Member flickr.com/jman5245 5764 Posts 5/09 | Posted - Jul 5 2017 : 9:27AM [Link] |
| pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Jul 5 2017 : 3:13PM Edited by - pat362 on 7/5/2017 6:37:50 PM [Link] |
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| Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Jul 5 2017 : 3:33PM Well, at least you made it clear in your post that you didn't even bother to read the article on the documentary you are commenting on. Kudos! [Link] |
| Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Jul 5 2017 : 6:40PM My thoughts exactly! [Link] |
| pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Jul 5 2017 : 6:47PM [Link] |
| whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11 | Posted - Jul 5 2017 : 8:07PM Edited by - whatsatelephonebill on 7/5/2017 8:08:59 PM [Link] |
| FlacFan Deactivated User 10088 Posts 8/15 | Posted - Jul 6 2017 : 2:52AM At this point I have learned to stop even bothering to ask why people just assume that because they hate someone they are exempt from the forum etiquette. You aren't, no matter how deep your hatred lies. You would be advised to read the forum etiquette again. In regards to this post, the appropriate section has been reproduced below with the relevant line in bold.Edited by - flash on 7/6/2017 10:47:48 AM [Link] |
| 2bollocks Senior Member 3587 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Jul 6 2017 : 2:49PM [Link] |
| FlacFan Deactivated User 10088 Posts 8/15 | Posted - Jul 6 2017 : 6:13PM Stoya didn't. And for the record, why would she lie. She did nothing but damage her career, her brand her name and a recently launched website. She had exactly nothing to gain from talking about what happened. [Link] |
| 2bollocks Senior Member 3587 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Jul 7 2017 : 4:56PM Also I'm gonna have to see evidence of her hurting herself by this(which could be a miscalculation on her end, I could see her expecting gain before doing this and backfiring in the end) by examples like her site hits and subs going down, her looking for work and being denied etc. things like that. The same way we've seen James Deen's losing a ton of work/income since this ordeal. I'm not just gonna take your word for it. Edited by - 2bollocks on 7/7/2017 4:59:50 PM [Link] |
| LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Jul 7 2017 : 5:07PM It's not just her such behaviour has been referred by some others even though with little or no details , Joanna Angel is the first name occurring right now. Also to be true you don't have to be damaged by the truth Edited by - LCF on 7/7/2017 5:08:08 PM [Link] |
| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Jul 8 2017 : 9:28AM From what little I've read about this in my mind they're both telling the truth and both truly believe what they're saying. It's all about perceptions. Stoya is telling the truth about Deen because for the most part "rape" happens when someone haves unwanted sex with a person. I can totally see that happening with Stoya. Many people seem to think that rape is a girl being attacked and held down as she shouts "No!" as the evil guy just ignores her and keeps on pounding away on her. That's more of a sexual assault type of thing. Rape can be as simple as the guy forcing himself on a girl who doesn't want to have sex when it's clear she doesn't want to. Do girls fight back when this happens? In many cases "no". Maybe they do a little, maybe not all because it's just an unpleasant annoying but hurtful thing but not something they feel is worth physically fighting over in a fight they can't win. Just because they let it happen doesn't mean it wasn't rape. In the eyes of the guy he didn't do anything wrong because even though she didn't seem into it and resisted a little at first she seemed to go along with it. Eh... no big deal. He was horny and she didn't seem to mind that much. No harm no Foul. In his mind no rape happened because in the end she went along with it. Next issue is the "Well, if he raped her why didn't she call the cops or report it?!". I don't know...why you report the friend or relative that stole from you? The friend or relative you know committed a crime? The friend who brags about cheating on his taxes. The co-worker you know is doing things against company policy at work? The person you know who sells drugs. Or anyone you know who broke or breaks the law? Perhaps because you don't want to see a friend get in trouble. Perhaps it's not worth the hassle. Perhaps you don't see it as something so bad that it merits the punishment they might get. I would image this would be true with Stoya and most of the girls who've accused Deen of rape also. I remember the girlfriend of a stand up comic telling the story of an older guy friend who was visiting her and all of a sudden out of nowhere just jumped on top of her and forced sex on her. She says she resisted at first but he just kept on going and she just finally went along with it. She was raped by her long time older friend. What was she going to do call the police? It was a friend she cared about and she wasn't going to report him to the cops to see him get locked up regardless of the very shitty thing he did. There was no hate behind it. He didn't want to hurt her. It didn't traumatize her but it did annoy her freak her out and damage their friendship but it wasn't worth putting him behind bars over. So she didn't report it. It sad but totally understandable. This for the "Why speak up now" crowd. We all know people who are assholes, thieves, cheaters, etc...that he just come to accept are just the way they are. We mention it to friends or whoever but don't go public with it because we don't feel the need to and/or simply believe most people know the score with that person so why bother. You can know just what type of person that individual is for years and never feel the need to publically speak up about that person because there's no real need to. But out of the blue something happens that suddenly makes you feel something needs to be said. Perhaps a co-worker gets an award for their supposed hard work when you know they clearly don't deserve it. Perhaps it's a city official you know that has repeatedly done shady things in the past getting an award for doing a great job. Perhaps it's a friend who happily accepted a marriage proposal from a person you know that has been cheating on them during their whole relationship. It's easy for others to jump down your throat and demand to know why you never mentioned this before. The truth is simply that you didn't feel the need to speak up before but now this thing happened and you think people should know the truth about this person. It's just that simple. So yeah, I believe Stoya and all the other girls when they say they were raped because they had unwanted sex and that's what most people see as rape. And yeah, I'm sure Deen thinks what he did wasn't rape because these girls are pornstars and this is what they do and it's no big deal. Some girls might've been perfectly okay with him doing that to them because of who he is and others might've reluctantly just had to go along with it because of who he is even though they didn't want it. Was it worth risking them getting blackballed or them getting Deen blackballed over Deen doing such a messed up thing to them? Was it worth the girls going against such a likeable pornstar with so many fans who think they know the real Deen and will defend him to the end? Nope. Probably not. So they just keep it all inside and don't cause any trouble. But when others speak out they feel happy to know it wasn't just them and feel the need to support others they feel have been wronged. Perfectly understandable if you're open mined and don't see one side as the enemy. [Link] |
| FlacFan Deactivated User 10088 Posts 8/15 | Posted - Jul 8 2017 : 10:18AM All your points are well made. There is only one problem: In Stoya's case they don't apply. The second she used her safe word, the game was over. It's trite, but he took more than her body. He took her trust. Other people have been blackballed for far less. [Link] |
| Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Jul 8 2017 : 12:07PM [Link] |
| stoneblade Deactivated User 450 Posts 7/16 | Posted - Jul 8 2017 : 1:04PM [Link] |
| pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Jul 8 2017 : 2:27PM [Link] |
| FlacFan Deactivated User 10088 Posts 8/15 | Posted - Jul 8 2017 : 7:08PM I completely agree GGG that the stigma against women enjoying sex is huge, but still feel that the safe word, and it's meaning and use in BDSM the community takes this to an entirely different level. ^^ DING! DING! DING! Winner! ^ Yes they were living together and by all accounts very happy. She left immediately after the encounter and went into seclusion. If I recall right she vanished for about 3 months, went totally dark. That time frame may be wrong. [Link] |
| pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Jul 8 2017 : 9:06PM [Link] |
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