Stoya accuses James Deen of rape

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Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 4:18PM This was mentioned in Stoya's thread, but I think this justifies its own thread. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 4:23PM As I said in Stoya's thread, a performer disclosed some unsettling behavior to me also. He was on her no list, and she described him as a "sociopath." [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 4:27PM [Link]
Dread Senior Member Latex and boobs 5085 Posts 3/07	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 4:34PM Well fuck. How much if a scumbag is he. Now I wonder if his abuse is the reason Joanna Angel and Deen got divorced/seperated. ----Dread's Twitter---- [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 4:39PM I never liked the guy - he struck me as creepy, smug, and at times manic. Then, a performer told me stories about him for an hour that left me confident that my feelings toward him were justified. And now this. A lot will come out of the woodwork, I think. [Link]

Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 4:42PM Tori Lux talked about it some time ago: this is what's left. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 4:47PM This guy tweeted multiple times about Tori Lux's allegations and no one replied, no one picked up on it. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 4:53PM Well..... [Link]
Ben Mockridge Deactivated User 382 Posts 9/15	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 4:57PM 17 feb 2015 What did James Deen reply ? Other than twitter complaints were any official police complaints made , and if so what has been the result of the police investigations ? [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 5:02PM ^ He did not reply to any of the inquiries. I don't know anything about any official complaints to the police. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 5:04PM Oh, and also there were not just twitter complaints. There were in-person conversations and I read some comments back in the day, posted anonymously on articles about him. Seems to be one of those open secrets, judging by the tweets I posted above and other mentions in the coverage. Edited by - Gore Gore Girl on 11/28/2015 5:05:02 PM [Link]
crisco654 Member 92 Posts 11/14	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 5:15PM Yeah, Deen has always given me a creepy/sociopath vibe., so I'm not surprised one bit. But I'm glad she's speaking up about it. It's already hard for women to be believed by society regarding rape, And even doubly hard if you're a sex worker unfortunately, but hopefully the porn industry will wake up. Edited by - Crisco654 on 11/28/2015 5:18:39 PM [Link]
Ben Mockridge Deactivated User 382 Posts 9/15	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 5:28PM So we have unsubstantiated twitter allegations , anonymous articles and open secrets. You may be right in your suspicions , no smoke without fire etc etc but if we give creedence to every unsubstantiated accusation then we are unconditionally giving people the right to destroy any other persons reputation at the drop of a twitter posting. Why didnt she file police complaint if she was raped ? [Link]
Gentleman Jon All-Star Member 1881 Posts 6/05	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 5:34PM I certainly never had any idea that he was that bad, but I picked up enough vague awareness about his character four, five, six years ago or so that his boy-man persona on social media became a lot less funny to me, and when I heard that he was going out with Stoya, my reaction at that time was something like "Stoya's going out with James Deen? I thought she had better taste than that." Let me reiterate, that was my reaction at that time. I'm not suggesting in any way that Stoya is in any way at fault, or should have known better, or anything like that. I thought he was "just" a serial cheater who basically wanted to be as promiscuous off camera as he was on camera, which caused problems if his girlfriend was less devoted to the swinger lifestyle than he was, because he wasn't going to change. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 5:35PM ^^ It would take too long to explain to you the various reasons women and men do not report sexual assault. I suspect you already know the answer anyway. But yeah, innocent until proven guilty. I take multiple accusations seriously, though. Edited by - Gore Gore Girl on 11/28/2015 5:35:34 PM [Link]

crisco654 Member 92 Posts 11/14	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 5:40PM Ben Mockridge wrote: So we have unsubstantiated twitter allegations , anonymous articles and open secrets. You may be right in your suspicions , no smoke without fire etc etc but if we give creedence to every unsubstantiated accusation then we are unconditionally giving people the right to destroy any other persons reputation at the drop of a twitter posting. Why didnt she file police complaint if she was raped ? Click to expand There are a myriad of reasons women don't report rape. But as the post above stated, it's far too detailed to go into it. Just google scholarly articles on rape and you'll understand. [Link]
Ben Mockridge Deactivated User 382 Posts 9/15	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 5:43PM @GGG If i understand correctly the intent here isnt to prove him guilty it is rather to besmirch his reputation. Which is great if your right but not so good if your wrong. Multiple accusations ? Who else has accused JD of rape ? [Link]
Aya Senior Member All The Cool Girls Are Lesbians 7439 Posts 6/14	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 5:48PM And now we have the typical pattern emerge. One woman comes forward about a man who raped her, which inspires others to do the same, then the defenders come out of the woodwork to discredit them and ask why nothing was reported to the police. I guess the adult industry is not immune to this cycle. Looks like James Deen is the Bill Cosby of Porn. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 5:54PM ^ Precisely. Edited to add that actually, Tori Lux came forward in January. So, the Bill Cosby analogy is even more appropriate. Edited by - Gore Gore Girl on 11/28/2015 5:57:22 PM [Link]
Ben Mockridge Deactivated User 382 Posts 9/15	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 5:58PM And there above is stated the case for the prosecution that no-one should have the gaul to question the accusations , ask for proof or question the matter at all. Let anyone who queries the accusations of rape be denounced as a defender of rape. if only the justice system worked thay way , lol. - edited for spelling. Edited by - ben mockridge on 11/28/2015 5:58:53 PM [Link]
CummingLinguist All-Star Member 5908 Posts 11/11	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 6:07PM I saw the original post in the Stoya thread. I tend to trust Stoya more than James Deen, but since I have never met either of them, I was ready to say, "I don't know what really happened." While it's still true that I don't know if the allegations have any merit, the fact that so many women are coming out is certainly a sign of a big problem. In particular, I think of Joanna Angel as a trustworthy source. [Link]
JB_X Deactivated User addled 1500 Posts 10/12	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 6:09PM ^ Agreed. Here's another: https://twitter.com/rizzoford [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 6:12PM ^ Thanks. Here are the pertinent tweets: [Link]
Ben Mockridge Deactivated User 382 Posts 9/15	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 6:16PM So iiuc rizzo ford is expressing solidarity with stoya but not making any additional allegations. [Link]
JB_X Deactivated User addled 1500 Posts 10/12	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 6:19PM ^ She is more direct in this tumblr post: http://rizzoford.tumblr.com/post/134153943255/vextape-housewifeswag-james-deen-raped [Link]

Quorrl Senior Member 2835 Posts 3/11	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 6:25PM Depressing. Of course, I would like to hear the statement of Deen, and in particular of people who know him a long time, too, e.g. Danny Wylde, Shay Ryan etc. Kayden Kross works with Stoya and is a longtime friend, but until recently e.g. Manuel Ferrara, her husband, has still worked for James Deen, so was that not known to him/her? Why did Dana Vespoli still shoot with him, if she knew about this or thought it possible? But absolutely, the more witnesses come forward, the more believable it is. Dollie Darko believes it. Arabelle Raphael believes it. Rizzo Ford believes it. But true, she doesn't explicitly say that it happened to her personally. [Edit]: Okay, the Tumblr post seems to imply it indeed. Edited by - Quorrl on 11/28/2015 6:26:50 PM Believing it: - Lorelei Lee, Phoenix Askani, Kayden Kross Edited by - Quorrl on 11/28/2015 10:14:21 PM [Link]
Ben Mockridge Deactivated User 382 Posts 9/15	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 6:31PM from JB_X referenced page : "I learned very early on after entering the industry just how much of an abusive piece of shit he is." Wether that implies a first hand experience of rape is questionable. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 6:36PM [Link]
Quorrl Senior Member 2835 Posts 3/11	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 6:38PM ^ Tweet 1) Probably correct. 2) That's not the ideal attitude. Just saying. [Link]
JB_X Deactivated User addled 1500 Posts 10/12	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 6:40PM Ben Mockridge wrote: from JB_X referenced page : "I learned very early on after entering the industry just how much of an abusive piece of shit he is." Wether that implies a first hand experience of rape is questionable. Click to expand Yeah, sorry if I gave the impression that I thought she was personally raped by him, that wasn't my intent. I'm just trying to find more information. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 6:41PM ^^ Not ideal, no. But the conditions are not ideal. If a person discloses their sexual assault to you, and say they do not want to report it (for reasons that I personally fully understand considering the far from ideal society and justice system we live in), are you saying that one should report it anyway? Against their wishes? Edited by - Gore Gore Girl on 11/28/2015 6:41:54 PM [Link]
Quorrl Senior Member 2835 Posts 3/11	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 6:45PM ^ Then you are probably in a situation where no good choice exists. And you will be guilty of doing something wrong whatever you do. I can certainly understand that in such a situation you choose to not be disloyal to the person who trusted you with her story and who you know. [Link]
Ben Mockridge Deactivated User 382 Posts 9/15	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 6:46PM tweet 1 - are we conjecturing that porn producers permit the rape of their female performers for the sake of monetary interests ? Thats a big claim. Tweet 2 - Insinuation but saying nothing. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 6:48PM Quorrl wrote: ^ Then you are probably in a situation where no good choice exists. [...] I can certainly understand that in such a situation you choose to not be disloyal to the person who trusted you with her story and who you know. Click to expand Yes. Agreed. Edited by - Gore Gore Girl on 11/28/2015 6:49:37 PM [Link]
morbidthoughts All-Star Member Big cats scare me but... 3627 Posts 1/03	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 6:49PM Gore Gore Girl wrote: I never liked the guy - he struck me as creepy, smug, and at times manic. Click to expand Based off his videos and online persona? [Link]

2bollocks Senior Member 3587 Posts 3/10	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 6:49PM Considering how easily John Stagliano got away with the Sheena Shaw situation, it seems obvious to me how powerful men in this business can't be brought to justice(IF these accusations are true). Deen also has another thing in common with the former which will help him out in this type of situation, but I won't mention what that is because I'd get banned. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 6:54PM morbidthoughts wrote: Gore Gore Girl wrote: I never liked the guy - he struck me as creepy, smug, and at times manic. Click to expand Based off his videos and online persona? Click to expand Interviews and such, mostly. Persona, yes. I sense you're suggesting I drew extreme conclusions based on what may well be/have been a crafted performance. I do understand how art works, though, don't worry. I was merely saying I found him off putting and that a performer told me some things that corroborated the icky feeling. [Link]
Ben Mockridge Deactivated User 382 Posts 9/15	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 7:02PM Edited to add that actually, Tori Lux came forward in January. So, the Bill Cosby analogy is even more appropriate. Click to expand Can you give links to where Tori Lux makes rape claims against JD ? Thanks. [Link]
morbidthoughts All-Star Member Big cats scare me but... 3627 Posts 1/03	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 7:03PM Gore Gore Girl wrote: Interviews and such, mostly. Persona, yes. I sense you're suggesting I drew extreme conclusions based on what may well be/have been a crafted performance. I do understand how art works, though, don't worry. I was merely saying I found him off putting and that a performer told me some things that corroborated the icky feeling. Click to expand I'm not suggesting anything about your conclusions. I wanted to ascertain the bases of your analysis whether hearsay or personal observation of video/online persona. I have met the both of them many times and have no interest in contributing to this trial by message board beyond saying this situation saddens me. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 7:05PM ^ Gotcha. This saddens me also. We shall see how the situation develops. [Link]
whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 7:06PM To add to everything else said in this thread, another reason that someone wouldn't report something like this to the police is because, from the implications of the use of safe words, it would mean that she possibly entered the sexual situation willingly, and then wasn't allowed out of it when asked. Which is probably the hardest type of rape to prove and to prosecute (because it literally just becomes your word against theirs). The amount of high profile female performers coming out now suggests that this is a long time coming (and truthfully, I'd heard vague stories like this years ago, and I'm not connected to anyone in the industry), and it probably signals the end of his career as a high end performer (he might still be able to shoot girls for his site, but I don't see how any high profile directors can get away with hiring him in the immediate future). [Link]
Dread Senior Member Latex and boobs 5085 Posts 3/07	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 7:39PM [mod edit: unfair characterization removed] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 11/29/2015 1:53:09 PM [Link]
Aya Senior Member All The Cool Girls Are Lesbians 7439 Posts 6/14	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 7:46PM Rape is a very serious accusation, and the person making the claim has almost as much of a chance of being vilified as the person they are accusing, whether true or not. So I don't think someone of Stoya's stature would just make this up, what would she have to gain? And it would be quite a conspiracy to coordinate this to the extent to have other women support her by also making false claims. No police report has been filed, so the justice system is not yet involved, so let's not pretend that they are. I also don't see people coming out and saying Stoya has a history of being a liar and vindictive. The fact is this happens way too often where it just takes 1 person to come forward, and it ends up being they were not the only victim. [Link]
2bollocks Senior Member 3587 Posts 3/10	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 7:55PM On trenchcoatx.com(Stoya and Kayden's website, I believe) has a scene with JD and Dana Vespoli on the front page. ? [Link]
Alzharhok Senior Member 1481 Posts 6/10	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 7:56PM Never cared for his on screen antics, always found a way to make the scene about himself. I haven't seen too many of his scenes lately since i stopped watching anything he was in, but I seem to remember a scene a long time time ago where the director and the female talent "jokingly" referred to him as being a woman hater. Honestly that's a bit how he seemed to come across to me in the scene as well, and that contributed to me purposefully avoiding his scenes. Obviously I am just a viewer and of course he is innocent until proven guilty , but I'll just say the allegations don't surprise me. [Link]
crisco654 Member 92 Posts 11/14	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 8:16PM 2bollocks wrote: On trenchcoatx.com(Stoya and Kayden's website, I believe) has a scene with JD and Dana Vespoli on the front page. ? Click to expand Ok, and? So because she has him on her website, we shouldn't believe her? [Link]
2bollocks Senior Member 3587 Posts 3/10	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 8:53PM ^Hold your balls before going that far. But I think it is weird. Not going to the police for the reasons mentioned is one thing. But if you're raped by him then why keep a bunch of scenes with him in it on your website including one that is on the front page right now(With Dana and James). That goes for Dana Vespoli too who correct me if I'm wrong showed support to Stoya's rape claims. Edited by - 2bollocks on 11/28/2015 8:55:21 PM [Link]
Jacco All-Star Member "liable to deprave and corrupt" 2673 Posts 5/04	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 9:07PM ^Purely practical, it is very possible that Stoya and Kayden are not handling the tech for their site themselves and it is weekend, maybe the techie is unavailable to take it down right now. Jacco [Link]
Xhakorudan Member 577 Posts 3/15	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 9:08PM Damn...this is fucked up. I was a fan of his earlier scenes, but lost interest once he started the whole hard slapping and degrading dirty talk. [Link]
FlacFan Deactivated User 10088 Posts 8/15	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 9:41PM You only have to look as far as that asswipe War Machines defense team as to why Stoya would just want this to go away. Sadly, the "she has sex for money, she always wants it/it doesn't bother her" defense is likely to never go away. I now have to go through 3gb of porn and delete every scene he's in. I wonder if he took lessons from Jack Venice. Silicone Is Evil, Razors Aren't Much Better [Link]
MorganKane Senior Member 6037 Posts 10/10	Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 9:46PM If this is true and he's been doing this for years...that's bad and horrible enough. People in porn knowing about it, doing fuck all about it and kept booking him for scenes...that's pretty fucked up too. Edited by - MorganKane on 11/28/2015 9:49:20 PM [Link]