Yep-none of them are likely to press charges, there is no real evidence to get a conviction & being America the statute of limitations could well come into effect in a lot of these incidents. This is probably the only way to punish him-let the world know what he is & force the companies to act. With any luck the guy will end up being homeless again like he was before he got into porn.
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Posted - Dec 2 2015 : 6:51AM
well.... every story is different. i basically have zero doubt about what Ashley fires said because her story was detailed enough. Stoya dropped a bomb and left all the social media. i'm not going to blindly believe a performer because of his/her "status" . Give us a detailed story. this is how it works, at leat for me.
Their claims anc circumstances are very different than Stoya's and that's precisely why I'd believe them over a single word from Stoya's at this point.
Along with the justice system taking it's course, I also said that you're free to have your opinion (and to agree or disagree with mine) and I'm free to have an opinion (and I can agree or disagree with yours).
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Posted - Dec 2 2015 : 8:37AM
If this is true hes such an asshole!!! Wait, how many scenes has she done with him....
In respect to girls that have actually worked with him, I think you should realize that isn't true and was more done on camera to promote his status. Many girls liked him, however, it's clear it was no where near universal (even before this week). Girls who have never worked with him, and especially civilians, loved him because of the image they were presented. They did not know any of the underbelly of things.
some women? Let's be serious, even if now a lot of people are saying that it's clear that he's a psychopath he is probably THE most popular porn actor ever in the female audience. And they liked him because rough consensual sex is a thing (and he did that and he did stuff much more soft), non consensual rape is completely different. Personally I thought he liked rough sex but that he knew when to stop. And about Lisa Ann, I'd be curious to know where you read that, since them had done a scene for Kink at sex and submission before that was equally rough, and the brazzers site was called "pornstar punishment", not hugs and kisses. Edited by - leatherface on 12/2/2015 10:03:16 AM
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pervybrit50 Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 2 2015 : 10:12AM
They liked him more because he is a scrawny hipster-bumfluff & blank eyes staring like he is some male model. Seriously his fans were the kind of teenie bopper training bra kids whose walls are covered with pictures of other douchebags like Bieber & One Direction. Haven't seen them on social media en masse declaring he is innocent & what a nice guy he is this past week, so assume the fad passed for most of them when they ended puberty.
If (IF) he didn't respected a single word (a very simple thing to do: even dogs can do it, so actually there are no "blurred lines" as someone said) he's actually a rapist.
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Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 2 2015 : 10:18AM
That is completely false to the point of absurdity. Bizarre statement. Do your research before making such ridiculous claims. It is difficult to stand firm on "innocent until proven guilty here" for the simple fact this is not one or two or even three girls making a claim. We are getting into double digits and that can not be dismissed. It is a major stretch into another dimension to think that 10 - 20 women (whatever the numbers grow to) are all part of a grand conspiracy to ruin one man's reputation and are all lying about it. However, anyone who wants to grant Deen the benefit of the doubt and believe in this conspiracy are welcome to. That is ok to feel that way or wish to defend a particular person. What you or I think of him does not change what did or did not happen. Also, there is a very very long list of reasons a porn performer would not come forward if raped by a male porn performer. This whole "why didn't she come forward" is just such old school thinking. It takes one person to risk coming forward and for everyone else to see that is is ok to talk, and now they can have a voice. When you are alone and think you are the only one, and know how a porn performer would be treated by most people when making an allegation, and that your career may be ruined, you think twice. Should everyone come forward immediately, of course. However, the reality of society and situations is not there yet. It is a complicated issue. And my last point... consensual sex, or even consensual rough sex, does not mean "the elimination of all boundaries". A woman can, at any time, say stop or no; no matter how much rough treatment she has already consented to. At that point, you enter rape or assault territory if the man continues. People seem to confuse this and think that since you consent to X, Y, and Z, that means your partner can do anything with impunity even if you want it to stop. Let's say I love getting it hard up the ass. I consent to it, and my partner hammers me as hard and fast as he can and oh I am loving it. Let's say it starts to hurt and bleed and I no longer am enjoying it. I tell him, enough, and please stop. He keeps going, I say no and stop again. He keeps going. That is rape. Period. Yeah, people will go "oh well you consented to anal sex and now you are crying rape" (which is why people fear coming forward). It doesn't matter how much you have consented to, the moment you say no and that is ignored, it is going into rape and assault territory. Still a long way for people to grasp this concept.
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Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 2 2015 : 10:23AM
Comon.... use your head. A woman consenting to something does not mean she consents to every single thing her partner ever thinks about trying. Everyone has their own boundary. When that boundary is crossed, it is up to the woman to say no or stop. If the guy continues, then it is a problem. A big problem. If you meet a woman and she willingly has sex with you and you happen to have a fetish of peeing on a girl, and she says no.. and so you grab her head and do it anyways...... guess what, you are in trouble if she reports you. Consenting to one thing does not mean consenting to "everything". Let's say willingly have sex with a woman, and she decides to stick needles in your balls. You say "hey no way, I don't like this", and she keeps jamming them in there until you get away. Would you smile after and say "ah well, I willingly had sex with her so she did nothing wrong". I doubt that. A woman may liked to be slapped. Guess what..... if the guy slaps her three times as hard and she is hurt, and she says "that is too much ,stop", and he hits her harder.... that is assault. Consenting to a slapping does not mean consenting to any and all slapping no matter how hard it gets. The consent is there until NO happens. Then you stop. Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 12/2/2015 10:27:12 AM
I support James and I'm gonna sign up to his site as a show of support, I think he's a great performer and I'm sick of this feminist bullshit, I hope he sues all of these accusers for defamation of character and carries on making great porn.
If the actresses recognize the moment and seize the momentum, then it may well could be. Indeed, with social media, they now instantly reach hundreds of thousands with a single tweet...and, with a softer mainstream media view of them than in the past, their voices can be amplified through it. Heretofore, they could do / say very little. Now, they can say all. Their voices now have meaning. The question will be whether they will continue to use them.
The unabated, cynical side of my mind briefly pondered this possibility, as well, though I quickly dismissed it with the nature of the accusation and the sheer volume of performers coming forward.
It's conceivable that the "strategy", if there is any, might be more a matter of capitalizing on / recognizing a situation once it's already underway than anything else. That said, that may just be the cynical side of my mind conjuring up possibilities again. To me, the crux and enormity of the matter remain unchanged, either way.
I don't know if Deen is guilty, but it wouldn't surprise me. I remember hearing about that girl from Canada who got HIV, and told about doing her first shoot where she was bullied into doing hard anal with multiple guys in her first scene. The environment of some of these shoots doesn't exactly steer performers away from being abusive or taking on abusive personas for their scenes. I can see where some performers might think they are just playing their character, while not realizing the girl isn't comfortable, or that they are actually objecting. Not saying that was the case with Stoya and other established performers though. Just that when you soak yourself in a culture of fake violence mixed with consensual sex, it's bound to fuck up the minds of some of these men. Edited by - mapofhawaii on 12/2/2015 12:21:08 PM
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Posted - Dec 2 2015 : 12:25PM
i'm not saying it's not happened. i'm saying they planned to ruin his career using social media and at the same time boost their site & careers. it is a private fact, happened off set but word "Trenchcoatx" is everywhere.
Just curious; have you always hated women? What happened? Did mommy beat you down constantly as a child? I have nothing but compassion for you and JD. I hope that you both find the help that you need.
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06
Posted - Dec 2 2015 : 1:39PM
Actually the more I think about it the more I think a case can be made for Stoya not going to the authorities. If her account of the incident is accurate, from a legal standpoint the case is a non-starter. Sure she could have gone to the police, but they don't really have much say in things. The DA is the one that's going to decide if Deen should be prosecuted, and there is 0% chance the DA decides to prosecute a case where there is literally no way to prove one way or the other if the sex was consensual or not (throughout the entire encounter) As convincing as many find all of the other people coming forward, the Stoya case by itself would never ever lead to a conviction. That doesn't mean that Deen is innocent, it just means there is a pretty big divide in the law and how its handled. So had Stoya decided to press charges, the result would have almost certainly been a dismissal, and the message to other women that have been raped is: Don't bother reporting it. If you're going to report it at least have a case that has a snowball's chance in hell of succeeding. The real root of the issue though is the nature of rape laws. To my knowledge rape laws are the only laws in existence that differentiate not only what occurred, but how someone felt about it at the time. It doesn't matter how a murder victim felt at the time, it doesn't matter how a robbery victim felt at the time, it doesn't matter for pretty much any other crime except rape, and when the events are agreed upon and only the feelings are being disputed, that's pretty much impossible to prove.
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Posted - Dec 2 2015 : 2:27PM
Social media is simply the modern version of sexual assault victims writing names on bathroom walls, which happened not that long ago at Columbia That doesn't make it true but "date rape" is rarely handled in any kind of effective way by authorities. Warning others about a potentially dangerous person is more important than exacting revenge. If producers do not believe James to be dangerous then they will still hire him. If not, they won't. No boycotting or membership signups will change that.
^I think that, as much as any danger, he won't be hired any time soon due to the pariah that he's instantaneously become. Producers are going to avoid him like the plague, even if just for the sake of dodging bad publicity.
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sparrow55 Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 2 2015 : 2:52PM
Let's say there is child porn investigation against you(very publicly). Your family, friends and coworkers knew about it when the investigation was going on. Eventually you were let off because there was no proof Are you saying that there would not be any repercussion for you after the case ? I mean, you can replace the charge with rape/criminal charges /fraud if it suits you. Saying that producers can hire him if they believe him is you being unauthentic. Naming and shaming is vigilantism and lacks any semblance of due process The way date rape is handled as such is because that is the lesser shittier option available. What else would you do ? Convict and punish people without proof based on what the accuser tells you ? There is nothing more dangerous than a self righteous person with the wrong information convinced that he is right. That is what usually happens in these situations. Look at twitter replies of those convinced that they are right. Any deviation from their view point makes you a rape sympathizer. You even see some of them in this thread Edited by - sparrow55 on 12/2/2015 2:54:15 PM Edited by - sparrow55 on 12/2/2015 2:56:35 PM
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Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 2 2015 : 3:30PM
If you are saying people shouldn't come forward because a false accusation can damage a life (which is very true), then how can you want anyone to come forward? You got to accept that risk if you want a free and open society for people who are raped or abused. I don't think you can throw it all under the bus because a small percentile are fakes. I do agree that sharing it as a "twitter war" was immature and wrong to do so. Just my opinion, I think serious allegations need to be made in a more serious way.
And the opposite is in this thread as well, those who are on Stoya's side are painted as [insert derogatory feminist word here] by those on James Deen's side (although many claim not to be on his side, just against Stoya), which you have done yourself many times in your scant 16 posts here. Edited by - flash on 12/2/2015 4:30:03 PM
I don't know about that, he has plenty of people coming to his defense, many of whom who still wouldn't be convinced if they saw it happen with their own eyes. Edited by - Aya on 12/2/2015 4:52:31 PM
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Posted - Dec 2 2015 : 5:11PM
Thinking about it, He has his own website and toys etc. I think he will be fine but if it happened early on in his career he would be fucked. Remember, Chris Brown fucked up Rihanna plus many other crimes and he was just on the Daily Show yesterday.
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IkeMan Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 2 2015 : 5:12PM
That's why my thesis is: women who celebrate misogynist sex acts and who admire quasi-rapists (turned real rapist) like "James Deen" (or whatever this Schmocks real name is) are contributing to a blurring of lines and a pushing of the boundaries of what is perceived as acceptable in general sex culture. If women love a guy who regularily stomps his feet on his sex partners head while penetrating them mercilessly as if they were objects, are sending a certain message to men. Don't confuse my statement as apologetic towards rape. There is no excuse or justification for raping a woman - but what message are you sending to the male world when celebrating someone like "James Deen"?
there isn't any blurry line. A safeword is a very simple concept. When one says it, the other has to stop. It doesn't anything to do with how much the sex is rough: a simple kiss could be considered more abusive than rough sex if the second is consensual and the first is not. Edited by - leatherface on 12/2/2015 5:22:12 PM
Anytime someone makes the decision to be silent about a rape, they bear a little responsibility for further attacks by the rapist.You'd outlaw BDSM entirely, and revert to puritan ethos, were consent not part of the question between to adults capable of consent. "Intent" is a common part of many laws and determining that is no different than trying to determine consent.
As a note, many of you have actually made statements that would make portions of the Meese Commission Report correct and the Cambria List necessary, and based on the posts many of the same members make in other threads, you are the members most likely to be upset by going back to these standards.
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06
Posted - Dec 2 2015 : 6:47PM
And let's be clear. Stoya did not remain silent. That's why we're having this discussion.I'm not suggesting we outlaw anything. I simply pointed out a problem with the justice system and why it is impossible to determine consent in a case like this. I agree that consent is a tremendously important concept in our society. I've said numerous times on these boards that I think anything goes between informed, consenting adults. But recognizing how important it is doesn't make it any easier to determine in a court of law. And while I agree there are a lot of similarities in trying to determine intent and consent, a huge difference is with whom that decision lies. Intent lies with the accused. The difference between murder and manslaughter is intent, but it has nothing to do with whether the victim intended on dying, it is whether or not the accused intended to kill the victim. Consent, afaik, is the only concept that lies with the victim. I can demonstrate intent to commit a crime by showing they were making preparations in advance. That's easy. In the absence of any witnesses, how do you demonstrate consent, especially in a scenario like this where consent was allegedly denied midway through the encounter?
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Posted - Dec 2 2015 : 7:00PM
I don't think anyone in this thread is on James Deen's side or against stoya. Though I think many of us should have been. It is just that some of us need a lot of proofs and convincing before they call someone a rapist. Not everyone gets so easily convinced. Edited by - klies on 12/2/2015 7:03:01 PM
ok the whole jessie rogers thing did not involve james deen it was another performer. if you followed her twitter she was dating Prince Yashua before she retired and her now deleted blog metioned that the guy who did that to her was someone she was dating. and then out of nowhere they just broke up. and we all know that prince can also be a very rough kind of guy check out that one scene with maddy oreilly in her first directed video. i think it was submission or something.
That wasn't hard, took me all of 30 seconds to find this insult against someone on James Deen's side. What do I get out of it, nothing but exposing the hypocrisy of your post. You aren't the only one this thread is riddled with them on both sides.
Has anyone asked Kora who the scene was for? I wanted to know to boycott the company responsible, but the last time I can see that she shot anal with James was for his own production company, which isn't that weird. What's weird is according to the ADT review of that movie, von_swine was there.
There are some who have supported Deen, but a lot of people who have said they want proof or that Twitter alone is not proof, have been accused of supporting Deen, supporting rape, or attacking the girls. I sat on a rape trial jury, and I had to base my decision on the evidence, not feelings. I could not believe the victim simply because she was female, nor could I believe the suspect simply because he was male. The judge had to remind us before the trial started, and before deliberations that no matter what our personal feelings, our decision had to be based on the evidence and that the suspect is "innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt." I've done jury duty 3 times (always seem to get picked for some dang reason) and that was the most disturbing one. Probably the only thing that could be worse would be any kind of child abuse. Perhaps having been on that jury is why I am always wary to believe an accusation without proof, and will not automatically assume the guy is guilty. I don't know any of these people involved beyond what is posted online, and cannot judge their character. (I will not assume anything about them based on their profession. Working in porn does not mean someone is scum, liar, rapist, criminal, etc. I'm sure the porn industry has its mix of good, bad, and crazy, just like society as a whole.) I don't know what happened between Deen and these women as I wasn't there. The only thing I can say is I hope the truth, whatever that may be, comes out, and whoever is in the wrong, suffers the consequences.
All of these are good points, and it's hard to look past the fact that the scene has been left up...and the timing of it all. Personally, I believe Stoya and the large number of performers coming out right now. There are simply too many of them. The industry needs to police itself better in order for its fans to have faith in the consensual nature of its product (i.e. the Kora Peters case) and the personas and facade that it sells them. However, one would be hard-pressed to deny that the Stoya situation--either from its inception or as a matter of "serendipity" followed by capitalization--is being milked for monetary gain. In all honesty, it cheapens what would otherwise be a very courageous act. It's a bit disheartening.
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